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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: rawbertson. on September 10, 2021, 11:11:28 AM
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I have talked about this on the board before but I think its time to talk about it again because I truly would like to know if I am genuinely missing something or if most of the skateboard community is just full of stoners (pretty sure its the latter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_prH9gg4FE
Listen, if you want to call a blind fakie 180 flip a "Fakie Frontside Flip" then Im willing to meet you half way on that. but if you are going to call that frontside, then you damn sure better be calling nollie half cabs backside, and those blind 180s frontside. otherwise its not consistent.
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Do the rotations with your fingers and imaginary board and note if the rotation is clockwise or anticlockwise.
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This shit is so fucking irritating.
Yeah it's not consistent the four stances were made up decades apart. Basically you compare everything to your normal stance. If you compare nollie to fakie then you're doing it wrong.
So you do a front 180. If you pop off the nose then rotate the same way you do a nollie front 180. If you do the same trick going completely backwards it's a fakie front 180 or a front side halfcab. Then switch is just the complete opposite/mirror of regular.
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its basically all cab's fault...
im kidding, but it is crazy fakie is the only stance/direction in skating that operates on its own "backwards" rules.
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its basically all cab's fault...
im kidding, but it is crazy fakie is the only stance/direction in skating that operates on its own "backwards" rules.
Really not that crazy fakie just means going in reverse.
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Just call everything a stunt and call it a day, fuck it.
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Everything is relative to regular stance, nollie was never defined as switch fakie and vice versa even though geometrically speaking that is the case.
So nollie and fakie rotate in the same direction as regular, and switch is simply the mirror of regular.
If you want to use the blindside argument, you have to also note that fakie is defined as riding backwards, the way you're facing is actually the way you came from, not the way you're rolling like with nollie tricks where you're facing forwards in the direction you're going. So when you do a frontside half cab, in the middle of the rotation, your body is open to the way you came from. Feel free to disagree with this premise, but if you accept it, the way we define fakie rotations is logically sound.
All this nomenclature originated from surfing and transition before street and switch skating existed. If we started from a blank slate today and renamed everything, maybe we could come up with a lexicon that is a bit more consistent and intuitive for modern street skating. I personally think the more logically egregious trick names are the fakie slide tricks. The nollie/fakie 180 situation is pretty easily justified if you accept the premise above.
At the end of the day, trick nomenclature was developed over decades by a bunch of stoners. As much as I like to argue about it for fun, it should be seen as colloquial, not axiomatic. Like the english language, there are many inconsistencies and things that just don't make sense but we accept it anyway. Trying to renovate the system to be mathematically airtight is futile and will only confuse people more.
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This is skateboarding's JonBenet Ramsey mystery; while I'm sick of talking about it, I am intrigued by hairbrained theories.
In my thinking I go back to how do these tricks "feel" compared to your regular stance? When you do a frontside halfcab, does it feel like you're ollieing frontside or backside? To me, it feels very much frontside, which is consistent with its nomenclature. Same for backside nollies- they feel very much backside to me and, again, consistent with how they're named.
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its basically all cab's fault...
im kidding, but it is crazy fakie is the only stance/direction in skating that operates on its own "backwards" rules.
Because fakie is literally the only stance/direction that is defined as "going backwards" lol
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This is skateboarding's JonBenet Ramsey mystery; while I'm sick of talking about it, I am intrigued by hairbrained theories.
In my thinking I go back to how do these tricks "feel" compared to your regular stance? When you do a frontside halfcab, does it feel like you're ollieing frontside or backside? To me, it feels very much frontside, which is consistent with its nomenclature. Same for backside nollies- they feel very much backside to me and, again, consistent with how they're named.
Stop making sense George, please I beg you, you are insulting the sanctity of slap culture
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this goddamn argument..... honestly can do nothing but agree with the OP. If I pop a fakie half cab which is backside, how in the everloving fuck, if I literally have my feet in the same position as a halfcab, move my shoulders the same way as the halfcab then pop and rotate like a half cab, is it frontside???? Yes, I have sat here stoned as fuck for hours imaginary popping my fingers like an idiot and still cannot think of a logical reason other than "its just the way it was when the trick was named".... if it looks like a half cab.... smells like a half cab.... acts like a half cab.... its frontside right?????? ::)
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this goddamn argument..... honestly can do nothing but agree with the OP. If I pop a fakie half cab which is backside, how in the everloving fuck, if I literally have my feet in the same position as a halfcab, move my shoulders the same way as the halfcab then pop and rotate like a half cab, is it frontside???? Yes, I have sat here stoned as fuck for hours imaginary popping my fingers like an idiot and still cannot think of a logical reason other than "its just the way it was when the trick was named".... if it looks like a half cab.... smells like a half cab.... acts like a half cab.... its frontside right?????? ::)
I think you got your half-cabs wrong man
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this goddamn argument..... honestly can do nothing but agree with the OP. If I pop a fakie half cab which is backside, how in the everloving fuck, if I literally have my feet in the same position as a halfcab, move my shoulders the same way as the halfcab then pop and rotate like a half cab, is it frontside???? Yes, I have sat here stoned as fuck for hours imaginary popping my fingers like an idiot and still cannot think of a logical reason other than "its just the way it was when the trick was named".... if it looks like a half cab.... smells like a half cab.... acts like a half cab.... its frontside right?????? ::)
Because they're named based on the direction of rotation relative to the regular stance trick, not based on the fact that they look the similar.
Also if you move your shoulders in the same way as a backside half cab when popping nollie like you say, it would be clockwise (assuming you're regular), it would be a nollie backside 180... so you've really answered your own question here
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If I'm being completely honest. My friends and I only learned the difference of the nomenclature only a few years ago...and even then, during a game a of skate, things still get interesting
Friend: Okay I'm going to do a Nollie frontside Cab
Does the trick...
Me: That's a Nollie backside 180, you turned the wrong way and half-cabs can only be fakie
Friend: Fuck you, do the trick
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Frontside 180 ollie. You turn the way you head is facing. As in not back/behind you. You turn the same way when you do a frontside 180 nollie. You don't turn/spin towards your back on the trick.
The whole cluster fuck of non-logic isn't why a fs nollie is frontside or bs nollie is backside. It's problematic how a a backside cab is backside when clearly you are turning in the direction you face. It doesn't follow the logic of fs and bs that originated from surfing.
But hey...its skating and its from 30 years ago. Fakie backside 360 ollie might have originated from the fakie 360s being done in pools/vert/transition being called backside by skaters. The Elguerrial might have been referred to as backside as well?? and it was made up before the caballerial.
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Everything is relative to regular stance, nollie was never defined as switch fakie and vice versa even though geometrically speaking that is the case.
So nollie and fakie rotate in the same direction as regular, and switch is simply the mirror of regular.
If you want to use the blindside argument, you have to also note that fakie is defined as riding backwards, the way you're facing is actually the way you came from, not the way you're rolling like with nollie tricks where you're facing forwards in the direction you're going. So when you do a frontside half cab, in the middle of the rotation, your body is open to the way you came from. Feel free to disagree with this premise, but if you accept it, the way we define fakie rotations is logically sound.
All this nomenclature originated from surfing and transition before street and switch skating existed. If we started from a blank slate today and renamed everything, maybe we could come up with a lexicon that is a bit more consistent and intuitive for modern street skating. I personally think the more logically egregious trick names are the fakie slide tricks. The nollie/fakie 180 situation is pretty easily justified if you accept the premise above.
At the end of the day, trick nomenclature was developed over decades by a bunch of stoners. As much as I like to argue about it for fun, it should be seen as colloquial, not axiomatic. Like the english language, there are many inconsistencies and things that just don't make sense but we accept it anyway. Trying to renovate the system to be mathematically airtight is futile and will only confuse people more.
by this logic you should be turning your switch tricks around too then. Mental Gymnastics imo that you are trying to say "everything is relative to nollie"
also it all wasnt invented decades apart. was within like 5 years. i think skaters are just stoned out of their fucking minds and use mental gymnastics to justify shit and this thread seems to be proving that correct.
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didn't Cab himself say Cabellerials are only backside? There is no "frontside" cab.
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didn't Cab himself say Cabellerials are only backside? There is no "frontside" cab.
Quite the opposite.
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didn't Cab himself say Cabellerials are only backside? There is no "frontside" cab.
Quite the opposite.
my mistake! I guess he's on record saying they are always fakie, never nollie. Nothing about bs/fs.
apologies.
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Frontside 180 ollie. You turn the way you head is facing. As in not back/behind you. You turn the same way when you do a frontside 180 nollie. You don't turn/spin towards your back on the trick.
The whole cluster fuck of non-logic isn't why a fs nollie is frontside. It's why is a backside cab backside when clearly you are turning in the direction you face. It doesn't follow the logic of fs and bs that originated from surfing.
But hey...its skating and its from 30 years ago. Fakie backside 360 ollie might have originated from the fakie 360s being done in pools/vert/transition being called backside by skaters. The Elguerrial might have been referred to as backside as well?? and it was made up before the caballerial.
Because a cab is just a backside 360 Ollie when going in reverse/fakie.
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Everything is relative to regular stance, nollie was never defined as switch fakie and vice versa even though geometrically speaking that is the case.
So nollie and fakie rotate in the same direction as regular, and switch is simply the mirror of regular.
If you want to use the blindside argument, you have to also note that fakie is defined as riding backwards, the way you're facing is actually the way you came from, not the way you're rolling like with nollie tricks where you're facing forwards in the direction you're going. So when you do a frontside half cab, in the middle of the rotation, your body is open to the way you came from. Feel free to disagree with this premise, but if you accept it, the way we define fakie rotations is logically sound.
All this nomenclature originated from surfing and transition before street and switch skating existed. If we started from a blank slate today and renamed everything, maybe we could come up with a lexicon that is a bit more consistent and intuitive for modern street skating. I personally think the more logically egregious trick names are the fakie slide tricks. The nollie/fakie 180 situation is pretty easily justified if you accept the premise above.
At the end of the day, trick nomenclature was developed over decades by a bunch of stoners. As much as I like to argue about it for fun, it should be seen as colloquial, not axiomatic. Like the english language, there are many inconsistencies and things that just don't make sense but we accept it anyway. Trying to renovate the system to be mathematically airtight is futile and will only confuse people more.
by this logic you should be turning your switch tricks around too then. Mental Gymnastics imo that you are trying to say "everything is relative to nollie"
also it all wasnt invented decades apart. was within like 5 years. i think skaters are just stoned out of their fucking minds and use mental gymnastics to justify shit and this thread seems to be proving that correct.
?? Why would I have to turn my switch tricks around too by this logic... nollie and fakie rotate the same direction as you would if you were spinning regular, and switch is just the mirror of regular... literally the simplest one. And where did "everything is relative to nollie" come from, literally said that everything is relative to regular, which it is.
Sure I don't know the exact timeline, but the point remains. It was developed over time but different groups of skaters, not some unifying body that really sat down and thought about this shit mathematically.
Ultimately the crux of all this confusion is that you think its intuitively correct to name nollie/fakie rotations the same if they look the same. But thats not how it was defined, for better or for worse. Sure, you could make a case for your system being more intuitive and petition to have it all revamped but that doesn't mean this particular framework is broken, just unintuitive to some people at worst. There are other cases of trick names where there are more clear cut contradictions, but not here.
Its not mental gymnastics to justify shit, if its literally how its defined and there are no contradictions in the existing framework.
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It's basically is rooted in vert before switch became a thing. Also, isn't it frontside half cab?
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didn't Cab himself say Cabellerials are only backside? There is no "frontside" cab.
Quite the opposite.
my mistake! I guess he's on record saying they are always fakie, never nollie. Nothing about bs/fs.
apologies.
Gave the thumbs up to frontside in his 9 club. Not to nollie though.
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Frontside 180 ollie. You turn the way you head is facing. As in not back/behind you. You turn the same way when you do a frontside 180 nollie. You don't turn/spin towards your back on the trick.
The whole cluster fuck of non-logic isn't why a fs nollie is frontside. It's why is a backside cab backside when clearly you are turning in the direction you face. It doesn't follow the logic of fs and bs that originated from surfing.
But hey...its skating and its from 30 years ago. Fakie backside 360 ollie might have originated from the fakie 360s being done in pools/vert/transition being called backside by skaters. The Elguerrial might have been referred to as backside as well?? and it was made up before the caballerial.
Because a cab is just a backside 360 Ollie when going in reverse/fakie.
It is. And that's how we as skater's refer to it. Not sure you're addressing OPs question still. Not that you have to. The above was my attempt. Every nollie and ollie 180/360 fits the surfing origin of backside and frontside EXCEPT cab and half cab ollies.
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The best arguments for the current naming system are that it's customary, so everyone knows it, and that it's relative to your normal stance. Other than that there's no logic. You should be able to see someone do a rotating nollie or fakie trick and say whether it's backside or frontside without having to know their stance.
I think ideally you would have no stance distinctions in a future where everyone skated both ways equally well. Then there would only be nollie (or fakie), and people would settle on calling tricks either frontside or backside in terms of which direction they're turning toward, so a nollie fs 180 would be considered the same as a bs half-cab and be called a nollie bs 180 instead. And everyone would skate symmetrical boards.
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Frontside 180 ollie. You turn the way you head is facing. As in not back/behind you. You turn the same way when you do a frontside 180 nollie. You don't turn/spin towards your back on the trick.
The whole cluster fuck of non-logic isn't why a fs nollie is frontside. It's why is a backside cab backside when clearly you are turning in the direction you face. It doesn't follow the logic of fs and bs that originated from surfing.
But hey...its skating and its from 30 years ago. Fakie backside 360 ollie might have originated from the fakie 360s being done in pools/vert/transition being called backside by skaters. The Elguerrial might have been referred to as backside as well?? and it was made up before the caballerial.
Because a cab is just a backside 360 Ollie when going in reverse/fakie.
It is. And that's how we as skater's refer to it. Not sure you're addressing OPs question still. Not that you have to. The above was my attempt. Every nollie and ollie 180/360 fits the surfing origin of backside and frontside EXCEPT cab and half cab ollies.
Yeah soz. I guess maybe skateboarding seperated from surfing before more complex airs were a thing so they just improvised. I actually did address OPs question first but I guess no one's interested lol
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just replace "fakie" with "going backwards" and it should make sense.
Oh, and nevermind fakie krooks ;)
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
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Everything is relative to regular stance, nollie was never defined as switch fakie and vice versa even though geometrically speaking that is the case.
So nollie and fakie rotate in the same direction as regular, and switch is simply the mirror of regular.
If you want to use the blindside argument, you have to also note that fakie is defined as riding backwards, the way you're facing is actually the way you came from, not the way you're rolling like with nollie tricks where you're facing forwards in the direction you're going. So when you do a frontside half cab, in the middle of the rotation, your body is open to the way you came from. Feel free to disagree with this premise, but if you accept it, the way we define fakie rotations is logically sound.
All this nomenclature originated from surfing and transition before street and switch skating existed. If we started from a blank slate today and renamed everything, maybe we could come up with a lexicon that is a bit more consistent and intuitive for modern street skating. I personally think the more logically egregious trick names are the fakie slide tricks. The nollie/fakie 180 situation is pretty easily justified if you accept the premise above.
At the end of the day, trick nomenclature was developed over decades by a bunch of stoners. As much as I like to argue about it for fun, it should be seen as colloquial, not axiomatic. Like the english language, there are many inconsistencies and things that just don't make sense but we accept it anyway. Trying to renovate the system to be mathematically airtight is futile and will only confuse people more.
by this logic you should be turning your switch tricks around too then. Mental Gymnastics imo that you are trying to say "everything is relative to nollie"
also it all wasnt invented decades apart. was within like 5 years. i think skaters are just stoned out of their fucking minds and use mental gymnastics to justify shit and this thread seems to be proving that correct.
No you should listen to @tzhangdox, they're right and actually put it in words really well. Basically your mistake is you're thinking of nollie as a separate stance, THPS logic style when it's not, it's part of regs except instead of popping off the tail you pop off the nose and so there is no reason for your direction of reference to change. Whereas switch and fakie are actual stances, with the former being mirror mode and fakie being skating backwards. You're trying to apply math logic ('fakie is switch nollie') to something cultural without considering the intended definition behind each concept. Maybe also thinking in flatground/street skating terms too much and not nearly enough in terms of vert/surf (where the stuff was invented and named after the way you spun relative to the coping/wave), but with the right clues those apparent inconsistencies really aren't at all.
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Am too stoned for this right now but on the real homie. I like your threads the bests . Real skaterat shit. Respects
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didn't Cab himself say Cabellerials are only backside? There is no "frontside" cab.
Quite the opposite.
So Cabellerials are only frontside, there is no "backside" Cab. Got it.
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This is so confusing to me, so a frontside 180 your face faces forward as you rotate, an Nollie frontside 180 your face faces forward, but a fakie frontside 180 (keeping cab out of it just for clarity) your back faces forward as you rotate? Is this correct? And then a switch frontside 180 your face faces forward as you rotate? Right? Please help me out here folks!
Seriously been skating for over 25 years and I just started to figure this out like a year ago and am still just confused
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Am too stoned for this right now but on the real homie. I like your threads the bests . Real skaterat shit. Respects
Have a gnar for enjoying da Ganga brudah! Respect mahn
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didn't Cab himself say Cabellerials are only backside? There is no "frontside" cab.
Quite the opposite.
So Cabellerials are only frontside, there is no "backside" Cab. Got it.
Quite the opposite of the latter statement. That "there is no frontside cab". My apologies for the confusion there.
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I only bother naming the tricks if they don't involve rotations in nollie and fakie stance.
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In my opinion (highly educated) if you use your fingers when explaining the tricks to your friends and then botch the trick names they almost always know wtf youre saying
Something to think about.
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If you want to use the blindside argument, you have to also note that fakie is defined as riding backwards, the way you're facing is actually the way you came from, not the way you're rolling like with nollie tricks where you're facing forwards in the direction you're going. So when you do a frontside half cab, in the middle of the rotation, your body is open to the way you came from. Feel free to disagree with this premise, but if you accept it, the way we define fakie rotations is logically sound.
this was incredibly clarifying. i had to read it twice to really get the core premise (the point about riding backwards meaning your "facing" backwards, etc), but this really explained it.
and i think that this in relation to surfing--backside or frontside in relation to the face of the wave--is super interesting. adding objects like ledges/rails/etc to the mix maybe shows where the connection to surfing ends? I'm thinking of how a backside 180 makes sense with the faciing forward logic (you're turning backside), but a frontside noseslide, which involves the same motion, is frontside in relation to the obstacle. It's interestinig because "frontside in relation to the obstacle" seems like it takes us back to the surfing framework . . .
i'm confusing myself, but there's still something very clarifying about your post. thank you!
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I get the impression that people who don’t know the difference between fakie and nollie tricks are the same ones who use the terms “full Cab” and “frontside Indy.”
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I found it funny that every 6months this same topic got bring out and it’s always several pages. I guess I had solid crew of older skaters around me as a kid because this was one of the first things I learned after basic trick names. When I think about them, I always thinking myself popping that trick over something,and freeze at 90 degrees, which way your face is looking mirroring to regular stance? Bs ollie and bs nollie, same movement. Fakie fucks things up but that’s just the way it is, we can’t live in perfect world.
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Quite an ego to make a video explaining how it's all the skate magazines are wrong and not you
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While the explanation has been written almost in the start of this thread, I'd like to move it in a little different direction. I learned the naming conventions very early on (because I had to learn how to skate from instructions books that was written in the late 80s, which was at my local library), but it didn't really click with me, before I began to be better at doing nollie tricks. For a long time I always thought of nollie as the switch equivalent to switch fakie, but in reality, nollie feels nothing like mirrored fakie tricks. It's a whole other domain, and I think this is one of the aspects of skating that is hardest for me to explain to people who haven't skated themselves.
Funny enough switch do feel more like a mirrored harder version of your regular stance... These are questions that keep me up at night ;D
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There's only one skate mag left.....just give it a few years and THEN go and re-write history with your switch nollies....
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
My brain broke
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We need NeuraLink so we can share the visual without the need for words
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
If you approach the ledge with your back in fakie stance, it would be a fakie ollie to sw bs noseslide. but I think it is easier to just say fakie front tail.
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
If you approach the ledge with your back in fakie stance, it would be a fakie ollie to sw bs noseslide. but I think it is easier to just say fakie front tail.
yeah my mistake on fs nose should have been bs, but yeah fakie front tail sounds nice
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How lazy or anal you gotta be to complain about this shit? Just learn the terminology and quit being a pain in the ass, it's not like people are going to change something because someone whined enough about it.
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
If you approach the ledge with your back in fakie stance, it would be a fakie ollie to sw bs noseslide. but I think it is easier to just say fakie front tail.
I’ve been told that one cannot change his stance after popping, if you are popping from fakie you have to land on some sort of fakie trick…. Think of fakie 5-0, it’s not fakie ollie to ss nosegrind right? Altho I agree, terminology is what it is and we just have to deal with it.
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I've always felt that the trick naming system made sense if you follow certain rules, but there are inconsistencies because of exceptions to the rules people have made in naming tricks for one reason or another.
-regular stance: fs and bs spins, obstacle is either fs or bs of you. Pretty self explanatory
-nollie: exact same rules as regular stance. Just because you pop off the nose doesn't mean naming changes
-fakie: You have to pretend you're going "backwards." That's why spin direction is opposite but obstacle direction stays the same. This is a big one that people like to give exceptions for ("fakie bs tailslide" sounds harder but incorrectly named based on the rule).
-switch: Exactly the same as regular, the rule assumes that you now skate in the opposite stance.
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I've always felt that the trick naming system made sense if you follow certain rules, but there are inconsistencies because of exceptions to the rules people have made in naming tricks for one reason or another.
-regular stance: fs and bs spins, obstacle is either fs or bs of you. Pretty self explanatory
-nollie: exact same rules as regular stance. Just because you pop off the nose doesn't mean naming changes
-fakie: You have to pretend you're going "backwards." That's why spin direction is opposite but obstacle direction stays the same. This is a big one that people like to give exceptions for ("fakie bs tailslide" sounds harder but incorrectly named based on the rule).
-switch: Exactly the same as regular, the rule assumes that you now skate in the opposite stance.
With slides for fakie it's fakie Ollie to whatever regular slide.
So it's fakie Ollie to regular back tailslide fakie Ollie to back lip shortened to fakie back tail fakie lip etc
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
If you approach the ledge with your back in fakie stance, it would be a fakie ollie to sw bs noseslide. but I think it is easier to just say fakie front tail.
Yeah you're correct. It would be a fakie tailslide not a fakie ollie to switch noseslide
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Frontside Cab
(https://powellgoldendragon.com/media/wysiwyg/steve-caballero.jpg)
Backside Cab
(https://media.titus.de/media/image/21/1a/84/red-dragon-longsleeves-rds-x-steve-caballero-l-s-white-gold-vorderansicht-0323419_600x600.jpg)
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Quite an ego to make a video explaining how it's all the skate magazines are wrong and not you
ranting like a mad man debunking the new world order in a carpark with odd coloured shoe laces
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
If you approach the ledge with your back in fakie stance, it would be a fakie ollie to sw bs noseslide. but I think it is easier to just say fakie front tail.
Yeah you're correct. It would be a fakie tailslide not a fakie ollie to switch noseslide
What if you turned your shoulders less and your back truck landed crookedly.....and you're grinding! Now what do you call it????
Definitely not a fakie suski.....even if it's right? It's wrong...fakie 5-0? The in is right, but the description of the grind is vague...switch nollie crook? We're not doing that either? The correct answer is fakie ollie switch crook......maybe not the perfect answer...but the best one.
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damn. SLAP board is officially dead.
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Frontside Cab
(https://powellgoldendragon.com/media/wysiwyg/steve-caballero.jpg)
Backside Cab
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Half Cab
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A dude wrote an essay on it but it's too long so I didn't read it. It's in German so perhaps some of the German pals fancy a read.
https://www.titus.de/blog/news/frontside-vs-backside-eine-wissenschaftliche-analyse/ (https://www.titus.de/blog/news/frontside-vs-backside-eine-wissenschaftliche-analyse/)
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How lazy or anal you gotta be to complain about this shit? Just learn the terminology
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I respect someone who says "Fake frontside 180" more than the whole "FS Halfcab" nonsense.
The major tripping point is that the "Cab" turn shouldn't have been extended in it's namesake beyond what it is, which is a fakie 360. I don't even think calling a cab a... "fakie backside 360" is even necessary because when you do shuvits you never say "backside shuvit" it's just a shuv. That's my take.
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The real question is about pop shuvits. A nollie fs shuv spins the same way as a switch bs shuv. A hard flip is a fs shuv and a kick flip right? So then isn’t what someone would call a nollie Varial flip technically a nollie hard flip? :o :o
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I respect someone who says "Fake frontside 180" more than the whole "FS Halfcab" nonsense.
The major tripping point is that the "Cab" turn shouldn't have been extended in it's namesake beyond what it is, which is a fakie 360. I don't even think calling a cab a... "fakie backside 360" is even necessary because when you do shuvits you never say "backside shuvit" it's just a shuv. That's my take.
I agree with cab getting too much credit for tricks but weirdly it also bothered me when he tried to stop the term nollie cab. He's already taking credit for a bunch of other tricks so why not just leave the one that looks most similar to the actual cab.
It's like if you invented the 360 flip but then were also taking credit for the varial flip (which someone else made up) but not the nollie tre
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The reason nollie cab is frowned upon is because a cab is by definition fakie. So you'd effectively be saying a nollie fakie 360 which doesn't make much sense.
If you wanna be weird and pedantic about it, you could technically call a nollie frontside 360 a switch cab... but that sounds stupid too.
Personally I don't have a problem with saying nollie cab over nollie frontside 360. It may be technically incorrect, but it very clearly gets the point across and there's zero confusion as to what you're referring to.
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Does anyone else agree with me that a nollie backside 180 FEELS frontside…!? This is my major discrepancy.
I understand and accept the (flawed) logic of this conversation but to me the fakie rotations are properly named and their nollie counterparts are misnamed.
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If I'm being completely honest. My friends and I only learned the difference of the nomenclature only a few years ago...and even then, during a game a of skate, things still get interesting
Friend: Okay I'm going to do a Nollie frontside Cab
Does the trick...
Me: That's a Nollie backside 180, you turned the wrong way and half-cabs can only be fakie
Friend: Fuck you, do the trick
lmao, same thing with me and my friend when we play skate
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I've always felt that the trick naming system made sense if you follow certain rules, but there are inconsistencies because of exceptions to the rules people have made in naming tricks for one reason or another.
-regular stance: fs and bs spins, obstacle is either fs or bs of you. Pretty self explanatory
-nollie: exact same rules as regular stance. Just because you pop off the nose doesn't mean naming changes
-fakie: You have to pretend you're going "backwards." That's why spin direction is opposite but obstacle direction stays the same. This is a big one that people like to give exceptions for ("fakie bs tailslide" sounds harder but incorrectly named based on the rule).
-switch: Exactly the same as regular, the rule assumes that you now skate in the opposite stance.
So it's fakie Ollie to regular back tailslide fakie Ollie to back lip shortened to fakie back tail fakie lip etc
I don’t know why we can’t just call slides and grinds based on where it is in relation to you. If you’re facing the ledge it should always be fs. You may end up sliding the ledge like a bs tailslide but you approached it fs, and thus it should be called fakie fs tail. Why even have this naming convention if you aren’t gonna follow the rules…just my two cents. We all instinctively know how these tricks feel so it’s not a huge deal.
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Quite an ego to make a video explaining how it's all the skate magazines are wrong and not you
My thoughts exactly especially when your 180s look like that. Idk if I have too much pride in nollie back 180s but I’m offended by that presentation.
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Does anyone else agree with me that a nollie backside 180 FEELS frontside…!? This is my major discrepancy.
I understand and accept the (flawed) logic of this conversation but to me the fakie rotations are properly named and their nollie counterparts are misnamed.
Feels backside to me. I'm spinning the same way I do for a regular backside 180 except popping off the nose. How different tricks 'feel' isn't the best way to decide how we should name something, its highly subjective and can be skewed and influenced by how we've grown to understand these terms.
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Does anyone else agree with me that a nollie backside 180 FEELS frontside…!? This is my major discrepancy.
I understand and accept the (flawed) logic of this conversation but to me the fakie rotations are properly named and their nollie counterparts are misnamed.
Feels backside to me. I'm spinning the same way I do for a regular backside 180 except popping off the nose. How different tricks 'feel' isn't the best way to decide how we should name something, its highly subjective and can be skewed and influenced by how we've grown to understand these terms.
Well said, the inconsistency stems from people’s subjective feelings about the trick itself which is a separate issue from the naming system. A lot of it seems to come from people’s desire to make the name fit the “difficulty” of the trick.
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
If you approach the ledge with your back in fakie stance, it would be a fakie ollie to sw bs noseslide. but I think it is easier to just say fakie front tail.
Yeah you're correct. It would be a fakie tailslide not a fakie ollie to switch noseslide
What if you turned your shoulders less and your back truck landed crookedly.....and you're grinding! Now what do you call it????
Definitely not a fakie suski.....even if it's right? It's wrong...fakie 5-0? The in is right, but the description of the grind is vague...switch nollie crook? We're not doing that either? The correct answer is fakie ollie switch crook......maybe not the perfect answer...but the best one.
I have never heard anyone call that fakie ollie to switch crooks, just fakie crooks. It’s just one of the tricks where logic doesn’t work, but let’s play this. What if you can’t lock into crooked position and end up on willy position, would that be fakie smith or fakie ollie to switch willy? :D I know this is fucked but this is how my logic works…
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
If you approach the ledge with your back in fakie stance, it would be a fakie ollie to sw bs noseslide. but I think it is easier to just say fakie front tail.
Yeah you're correct. It would be a fakie tailslide not a fakie ollie to switch noseslide
What if you turned your shoulders less and your back truck landed crookedly.....and you're grinding! Now what do you call it????
Definitely not a fakie suski.....even if it's right? It's wrong...fakie 5-0? The in is right, but the description of the grind is vague...switch nollie crook? We're not doing that either? The correct answer is fakie ollie switch crook......maybe not the perfect answer...but the best one.
That would be a fakie smith.
Fakie crook is the commonly used name, but it is actually short for fakie ollie to switch crook which is perfectly fine logically, just too much of a mouthful.
The "one cannot change his stance after popping" rule is stupid as fuck. I get the intention, but there's so many exceptions to this rule and any 180 in trick requires it by default so why even bother having this limitation.
You could call a fakie 5-0 a fakie ollie to switch nosegrind, a fakie nosegrind a fakie ollie into a switch 5-0... wouldn't be technically incorrect and makes sense logically too.
Though in these two cases fakie 5-0 and fakie nosegrind are easy and intuitive enough that there's no need to use the "fakie to switch ___" approach which only makes it unnecessarily weird and complicated.
Technically, calling the pinchy version a 'fakie suski' is correct, but it just feels off on a visceral level, so we call it fakie ollie to switch crook, which has now been shortened to fakie crook.
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Does anyone else agree with me that a nollie backside 180 FEELS frontside…!? This is my major discrepancy.
I understand and accept the (flawed) logic of this conversation but to me the fakie rotations are properly named and their nollie counterparts are misnamed.
I really don't :D Nollie and fakie feels to me the way the naming convention are - I actually find it rather fascinating how different fakie feels to nollie (as in it doesn't just feel mirrored)
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I respect someone who says "Fake frontside 180" more than the whole "FS Halfcab" nonsense.
The major tripping point is that the "Cab" turn shouldn't have been extended in it's namesake beyond what it is, which is a fakie 360. I don't even think calling a cab a... "fakie backside 360" is even necessary because when you do shuvits you never say "backside shuvit" it's just a shuv. That's my take.
cab terminology also messes with a lot of tricks. I say fakie frontside flip for a half cab kick flip that doesn’t go backside, but some people are violently opposed to that naming.
If we didn’t have half cab/ cab terminology, then a regular half cab kick flip would just be called a fakie backside flip right? That’s why I don’t have beef with fakie frontside flip, or fakie front 180, or fakie front nose slide … they all make sense. (And yes, simply saying pop shove it is fine if it’s not frontside)
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Does anyone else agree with me that a nollie backside 180 FEELS frontside…!? This is my major discrepancy.
I understand and accept the (flawed) logic of this conversation but to me the fakie rotations are properly named and their nollie counterparts are misnamed.
I really don't :D Nollie and fakie feels to me the way the naming convention are - I actually find it rather fascinating how different fakie feels to nollie (as in it doesn't just feel mirrored)
I'm the same as you. About that last point, I think it's just a good demonstration of how one mentally perceives things will affect what they actually do in the real world.
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Are you guys fucking goldfish, how is there constantly new multiple page threads about this?
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Everything is relative to regular stance, nollie was never defined as switch fakie and vice versa even though geometrically speaking that is the case.
So nollie and fakie rotate in the same direction as regular, and switch is simply the mirror of regular.
If you want to use the blindside argument, you have to also note that fakie is defined as riding backwards, the way you're facing is actually the way you came from, not the way you're rolling like with nollie tricks where you're facing forwards in the direction you're going. So when you do a frontside half cab, in the middle of the rotation, your body is open to the way you came from. Feel free to disagree with this premise, but if you accept it, the way we define fakie rotations is logically sound.
All this nomenclature originated from surfing and transition before street and switch skating existed. If we started from a blank slate today and renamed everything, maybe we could come up with a lexicon that is a bit more consistent and intuitive for modern street skating. I personally think the more logically egregious trick names are the fakie slide tricks. The nollie/fakie 180 situation is pretty easily justified if you accept the premise above.
At the end of the day, trick nomenclature was developed over decades by a bunch of stoners. As much as I like to argue about it for fun, it should be seen as colloquial, not axiomatic. Like the english language, there are many inconsistencies and things that just don't make sense but we accept it anyway. Trying to renovate the system to be mathematically airtight is futile and will only confuse people more.
Approach ALL tricks with this mindset and you can't misname the trick. Also agree with whoever said cabs apply to fakie only.
The only time it 'switches' is when you're skating switch. And I mean switch. I.e. the rotation of your body FS/BS when switch is going to obviously be different than when you skate regular/fakie/nollie. But that appears to be confusing a decent amount of ya'll.
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Does anyone else agree with me that a nollie backside 180 FEELS frontside…!? This is my major discrepancy.
I understand and accept the (flawed) logic of this conversation but to me the fakie rotations are properly named and their nollie counterparts are misnamed.
I really don't :D Nollie and fakie feels to me the way the naming convention are - I actually find it rather fascinating how different fakie feels to nollie (as in it doesn't just feel mirrored)
I'm the same as you. About that last point, I think it's just a good demonstration of how one mentally perceives things will affect what they actually do in the real world.
To me a nollie backside flip feels like I am doing a switch frontside flip riding backwards.
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This is so confusing to me, so a frontside 180 your face faces forward as you rotate, an Nollie frontside 180 your face faces forward, but a fakie frontside 180 (keeping cab out of it just for clarity) your back faces forward as you rotate? Is this correct? And then a switch frontside 180 your face faces forward as you rotate? Right? Please help me out here folks!
Seriously been skating for over 25 years and I just started to figure this out like a year ago and am still just confused
unfortunately yes and this is why 99% of the skate population is clown, it makes no sense dude. I actually just started saying Fakie Blind Side 180 Heel flip / Half Cab Heelflip to people because i refuse to say "Frontside halfcab" or calling that a fakie frontside 180. its blind. it would have made more sense if people would have just started off with clockwise / counter clockwise. it is hialrious how many people back this shitty argument that "its relative to your regular stance" that is the most lame brained, simple minded shit i have ever heard besides people calling an eigth a "half quarter"
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I've always felt that the trick naming system made sense if you follow certain rules, but there are inconsistencies because of exceptions to the rules people have made in naming tricks for one reason or another.
-regular stance: fs and bs spins, obstacle is either fs or bs of you. Pretty self explanatory
-nollie: exact same rules as regular stance. Just because you pop off the nose doesn't mean naming changes
-fakie: You have to pretend you're going "backwards." That's why spin direction is opposite but obstacle direction stays the same. This is a big one that people like to give exceptions for ("fakie bs tailslide" sounds harder but incorrectly named based on the rule).
-switch: Exactly the same as regular, the rule assumes that you now skate in the opposite stance.
So it's fakie Ollie to regular back tailslide fakie Ollie to back lip shortened to fakie back tail fakie lip etc
?? that is how it is. a fs hurricane is tagged as a "bs 180 into feeble" but the rail is in front of you. not gonna argue about the symantics of these fakie grinds and how incosistent that is as well. that is a ccomplete fucking shit show this fakie 5-0 and fakie nosegrind madness (a fakie nosegrind is a fakie ollie into a switch 5-0 lets just call it what it is. you call a nollie nosegrind a nollie into a regular nose grind but then when you go fakie that all goes out the window because most people do fakie tricks off their tail and nollie tricks off their nose (i think is also stupid because your nose is meant to be shaped a certain way to scoop off it better) i do my fakie tricks off the nose LIKE A BOSS
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Does anyone else agree with me that a nollie backside 180 FEELS frontside…!? This is my major discrepancy.
I understand and accept the (flawed) logic of this conversation but to me the fakie rotations are properly named and their nollie counterparts are misnamed.
I really don't :D Nollie and fakie feels to me the way the naming convention are - I actually find it rather fascinating how different fakie feels to nollie (as in it doesn't just feel mirrored)
I'm the same as you. About that last point, I think it's just a good demonstration of how one mentally perceives things will affect what they actually do in the real world.
To me a nollie backside flip feels like I am doing a switch frontside flip riding backwards.
Well I can't do either ss fs flips or nollie backside flips (so I can't really comment on that), but for other tricks (bigspins for example), once you add movement to the trick, it is just a completely other playing field in the way my brain works :=
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This is so confusing to me, so a frontside 180 your face faces forward as you rotate, an Nollie frontside 180 your face faces forward, but a fakie frontside 180 (keeping cab out of it just for clarity) your back faces forward as you rotate? Is this correct? And then a switch frontside 180 your face faces forward as you rotate? Right? Please help me out here folks!
Seriously been skating for over 25 years and I just started to figure this out like a year ago and am still just confused
unfortunately yes and this is why 99% of the skate population is clown, it makes no sense dude. I actually just started saying Fakie Blind Side 180 Heel flip / Half Cab Heelflip to people because i refuse to say "Frontside halfcab" or calling that a fakie frontside 180. its blind. it would have made more sense if people would have just started off with clockwise / counter clockwise. it is hialrious how many people back this shitty argument that "its relative to your regular stance" that is the most lame brained, simple minded shit i have ever heard besides people calling an eigth a "half quarter"
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I've always felt that the trick naming system made sense if you follow certain rules, but there are inconsistencies because of exceptions to the rules people have made in naming tricks for one reason or another.
-regular stance: fs and bs spins, obstacle is either fs or bs of you. Pretty self explanatory
-nollie: exact same rules as regular stance. Just because you pop off the nose doesn't mean naming changes
-fakie: You have to pretend you're going "backwards." That's why spin direction is opposite but obstacle direction stays the same. This is a big one that people like to give exceptions for ("fakie bs tailslide" sounds harder but incorrectly named based on the rule).
-switch: Exactly the same as regular, the rule assumes that you now skate in the opposite stance.
So it's fakie Ollie to regular back tailslide fakie Ollie to back lip shortened to fakie back tail fakie lip etc
?? that is how it is. a fs hurricane is tagged as a "bs 180 into feeble" but the rail is in front of you. not gonna argue about the symantics of these fakie grinds and how incosistent that is as well. that is a ccomplete fucking shit show this fakie 5-0 and fakie nosegrind madness (a fakie nosegrind is a fakie ollie into a switch 5-0 lets just call it what it is. you call a nollie nosegrind a nollie into a regular nose grind but then when you go fakie that all goes out the window because most people do fakie tricks off their tail and nollie tricks off their nose (i think is also stupid because your nose is meant to be shaped a certain way to scoop off it better) i do my fakie tricks off the nose LIKE A BOSS
This is an example of a good troll post.
It makes sense and it's not that hard, can you not picture yourself doing a fs 180 and then rolling backwards and doing the same motion? Why would that change the rotation to bs? just because you can't see? do you wipe blindside????
same with the grinds. it's a fakie fs 5-0 because if you do a fs 5-0 going backwards it's still a fs 5-0.
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Lol dude the issue is not whether or not i get it. I understand this view point you all have of it being relative to your regular stance. i BEEN got it.
the issue is, its hard to follow for anyone who doesnt skate / is trying to learn about it because its not logical. you have 3 stances that all follow a pattern, but then 1 is an exception. i honestly dont see how you can make any argument about how that is easier to follow than what i have suggested by calling all blind side back side
or you could just say blind side and you are also describing the trick better but most skaters are way too cool guy to switch up the lingo like that , they dont wanna rock the boat too mcuh 8)
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Frontside Cab
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Backside Cab
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(https://i.imgur.com/1YGQMBY.jpg)
Full Cab
(https://i.imgur.com/MFa6gS2.jpg)
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the issue is, its hard to follow for anyone who doesnt skate / is trying to learn about it because its not logical.
I figured it out as a 13 year old with learning difficulties by reading a Transworld. It's as logical as anything else is.
If people can't understand it they don't want to understand it.
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I thought this was sorted on the first page by someone saying Fakie is reversed. Honestly, never understood what the confusion is about. Nollie is moving forward, directions apply in the same way as with any regular trick. Fakie is going backwards, hence rotation is named in the same way as the regular equivalent.
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I have talked about this on the board before but I think its time to talk about it again because I truly would like to know if I am genuinely missing something or if most of the skateboard community is just full of stoners (pretty sure its the latter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_prH9gg4FE
Listen, if you want to call a blind fakie 180 flip a "Fakie Frontside Flip" then Im willing to meet you half way on that. but if you are going to call that frontside, then you damn sure better be calling nollie half cabs backside, and those blind 180s frontside. otherwise its not consistent.
I'm dying over here that you went so far as to make a video saying the all the skate media professionals and pro skaters have this wrong. Bahahahahaha.
How some people can't grasp the basics of skateboarding is beyond me, but it's entertaining. Lol.
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
If you approach the ledge with your back in fakie stance, it would be a fakie ollie to sw bs noseslide. but I think it is easier to just say fakie front tail.
Yeah you're correct. It would be a fakie tailslide not a fakie ollie to switch noseslide
What if you turned your shoulders less and your back truck landed crookedly.....and you're grinding! Now what do you call it????
Definitely not a fakie suski.....even if it's right? It's wrong...fakie 5-0? The in is right, but the description of the grind is vague...switch nollie crook? We're not doing that either? The correct answer is fakie ollie switch crook......maybe not the perfect answer...but the best one.
That would be a fakie smith.
Fakie crook is the commonly used name, but it is actually short for fakie ollie to switch crook which is perfectly fine logically, just too much of a mouthful.
The "one cannot change his stance after popping" rule is stupid as fuck. I get the intention, but there's so many exceptions to this rule and any 180 in trick requires it by default so why even bother having this limitation.
You could call a fakie 5-0 a fakie ollie to switch nosegrind, a fakie nosegrind a fakie ollie into a switch 5-0... wouldn't be technically incorrect and makes sense logically too.
Though in these two cases fakie 5-0 and fakie nosegrind are easy and intuitive enough that there's no need to use the "fakie to switch ___" approach which only makes it unnecessarily weird and complicated.
Technically, calling the pinchy version a 'fakie suski' is correct, but it just feels off on a visceral level, so we call it fakie ollie to switch crook, which has now been shortened to fakie crook.
This is actually kinda fun, we all are correct & wrong at the same time b/c tricks are mostly named by stoner kids decades ago. Can you tell me why the fuck that can’t be fakie ollie to switch willy, based on your logic other than being too ”mouthful”? I know there are basic rules, and to make things more complicated we have a totally different skate jargon in non-english speaking countries ;D Like 180 to fakie nosegrind ( or 180 to ss 5-0 if you prefer that) is called ”Chink”, I guess from chink-chinks?
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I have talked about this on the board before but I think its time to talk about it again because I truly would like to know if I am genuinely missing something or if most of the skateboard community is just full of stoners (pretty sure its the latter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_prH9gg4FE
Listen, if you want to call a blind fakie 180 flip a "Fakie Frontside Flip" then Im willing to meet you half way on that. but if you are going to call that frontside, then you damn sure better be calling nollie half cabs backside, and those blind 180s frontside. otherwise its not consistent.
I'm dying over here that you went so far as to make a video saying the all the skate media professionals and pro skaters have this wrong. Bahahahahaha.
How some people can't grasp the basics of skateboarding is beyond me, but it's entertaining. Lol.
LOL
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this goddamn argument..... honestly can do nothing but agree with the OP. If I pop a fakie half cab which is backside, how in the everloving fuck, if I literally have my feet in the same position as a halfcab, move my shoulders the same way as the halfcab then pop and rotate like a half cab, is it frontside???? Yes, I have sat here stoned as fuck for hours imaginary popping my fingers like an idiot and still cannot think of a logical reason other than "its just the way it was when the trick was named".... if it looks like a half cab.... smells like a half cab.... acts like a half cab.... its frontside right?????? ::)
Because they're named based on the direction of rotation relative to the regular stance trick, not based on the fact that they look the similar.
Also if you move your shoulders in the same way as a backside half cab when popping nollie like you say, it would be clockwise (assuming you're regular), it would be a nollie backside 180... so you've really answered your own question here
I see what you're saying in terms of rotaion (clockwise/counter) and that honestly makes sense so thanks for that one. But I meant the feeling when popping the trick, a fakie backside 180 ( half cab) feels and pops the same as a nollie frontside 180 and vice versa...
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if you approach a ledge fakie and fakie ollie into a front tailslide, is that a fakie switch front nose or fakie fs tail?
If you approach the ledge with your back in fakie stance, it would be a fakie ollie to sw bs noseslide. but I think it is easier to just say fakie front tail.
Yeah you're correct. It would be a fakie tailslide not a fakie ollie to switch noseslide
What if you turned your shoulders less and your back truck landed crookedly.....and you're grinding! Now what do you call it????
Definitely not a fakie suski.....even if it's right? It's wrong...fakie 5-0? The in is right, but the description of the grind is vague...switch nollie crook? We're not doing that either? The correct answer is fakie ollie switch crook......maybe not the perfect answer...but the best one.
That would be a fakie smith.
Fakie crook is the commonly used name, but it is actually short for fakie ollie to switch crook which is perfectly fine logically, just too much of a mouthful.
The "one cannot change his stance after popping" rule is stupid as fuck. I get the intention, but there's so many exceptions to this rule and any 180 in trick requires it by default so why even bother having this limitation.
You could call a fakie 5-0 a fakie ollie to switch nosegrind, a fakie nosegrind a fakie ollie into a switch 5-0... wouldn't be technically incorrect and makes sense logically too.
Though in these two cases fakie 5-0 and fakie nosegrind are easy and intuitive enough that there's no need to use the "fakie to switch ___" approach which only makes it unnecessarily weird and complicated.
Technically, calling the pinchy version a 'fakie suski' is correct, but it just feels off on a visceral level, so we call it fakie ollie to switch crook, which has now been shortened to fakie crook.
It could totally be a fakie ollie to switch willy. If you said that there would be no confusion and it makes perfect sense but I feel like enough people know of that trick as a fakie smith such that its the defacto name.
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this goddamn argument..... honestly can do nothing but agree with the OP. If I pop a fakie half cab which is backside, how in the everloving fuck, if I literally have my feet in the same position as a halfcab, move my shoulders the same way as the halfcab then pop and rotate like a half cab, is it frontside???? Yes, I have sat here stoned as fuck for hours imaginary popping my fingers like an idiot and still cannot think of a logical reason other than "its just the way it was when the trick was named".... if it looks like a half cab.... smells like a half cab.... acts like a half cab.... its frontside right?????? ::)
Because they're named based on the direction of rotation relative to the regular stance trick, not based on the fact that they look the similar.
Also if you move your shoulders in the same way as a backside half cab when popping nollie like you say, it would be clockwise (assuming you're regular), it would be a nollie backside 180... so you've really answered your own question here
I see what you're saying in terms of rotaion (clockwise/counter) and that honestly makes sense so thanks for that one. But I meant the feeling when popping the trick, a fakie backside 180 ( half cab) feels and pops the same as a nollie frontside 180 and vice versa...
Thats true but nollie isn't defined as 'switch fakie' even though thats true if you think about it mathematically and it 'feels' that way. Its merely a variation of regular tricks except you pop off the nose, and so we define its rotations that way. It doesn't make much sense to name the nollie trick based on its 'feel' relative to a fakie counterpart when Frontside/Backside is literally referring to direction of rotation.
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Lol dude the issue is not whether or not i get it. I understand this view point you all have of it being relative to your regular stance. i BEEN got it.
the issue is, its hard to follow for anyone who doesnt skate / is trying to learn about it because its not logical. you have 3 stances that all follow a pattern, but then 1 is an exception. i honestly dont see how you can make any argument about how that is easier to follow than what i have suggested by calling all blind side back side
or you could just say blind side and you are also describing the trick better but most skaters are way too cool guy to switch up the lingo like that , they dont wanna rock the boat too mcuh 8)
Says 99% of skaters are stoners, clowns and stupid... complains that a naming system that even middle schoolers understand is too complicated
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I have talked about this on the board before but I think its time to talk about it again because I truly would like to know if I am genuinely missing something or if most of the skateboard community is just full of stoners (pretty sure its the latter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_prH9gg4FE
Listen, if you want to call a blind fakie 180 flip a "Fakie Frontside Flip" then Im willing to meet you half way on that. but if you are going to call that frontside, then you damn sure better be calling nollie half cabs backside, and those blind 180s frontside. otherwise its not consistent.
I'm dying over here that you went so far as to make a video saying the all the skate media professionals and pro skaters have this wrong. Bahahahahaha.
How some people can't grasp the basics of skateboarding is beyond me, but it's entertaining. Lol.
i hope you guys got a good laugh out of the vid ;) at the end of the day i know no one is going to agree with me and i really dont give a shit i just like to get fired up over stuff like this from time to time ;D ;D ;D
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Lol dude the issue is not whether or not i get it. I understand this view point you all have of it being relative to your regular stance. i BEEN got it.
the issue is, its hard to follow for anyone who doesnt skate / is trying to learn about it because its not logical. you have 3 stances that all follow a pattern, but then 1 is an exception. i honestly dont see how you can make any argument about how that is easier to follow than what i have suggested by calling all blind side back side
or you could just say blind side and you are also describing the trick better but most skaters are way too cool guy to switch up the lingo like that , they dont wanna rock the boat too mcuh 8)
Unless you have the influence of someone like Tony Hawk, or get them on board, trying to change a naming convention that has been around for decades just isn't gonna happen. Hell, even with someone like that on board it would be an uphill battle.
It also is logical if you look at how the lingo developed. It just seems illogical because of the direction skateboarding has taken.
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the issue is, its hard to follow for anyone who doesnt skate / is trying to learn about it because its not logical. you have 3 stances that all follow a pattern, but then 1 is an exception.
Dude, I love you and must have gnarred you 50 times in the past two months but here please bear with me reiterating:
Basically your mistake is you're thinking of nollie as a separate stance, THPS logic style when it's not, it's part of regs except instead of popping off the tail you pop off the nose and so there is no reason for your direction of reference to change.
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I have talked about this on the board before but I think its time to talk about it again because I truly would like to know if I am genuinely missing something or if most of the skateboard community is just full of stoners (pretty sure its the latter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_prH9gg4FE
Listen, if you want to call a blind fakie 180 flip a "Fakie Frontside Flip" then Im willing to meet you half way on that. but if you are going to call that frontside, then you damn sure better be calling nollie half cabs backside, and those blind 180s frontside. otherwise its not consistent.
I'm dying over here that you went so far as to make a video saying the all the skate media professionals and pro skaters have this wrong. Bahahahahaha.
How some people can't grasp the basics of skateboarding is beyond me, but it's entertaining. Lol.
i hope you guys got a good laugh out of the vid ;) at the end of the day i know no one is going to agree with me and i really dont give a shit i just like to get fired up over stuff like this from time to time ;D ;D ;D
so basically whole thread is moot. throw the book at the judge folks, this guy doesn't give a shit!
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we'll see! I am gonna try to spread it :D
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we'll see! I am gonna try to spread it :D
Please be careful with spreading funny nomenclature, the last time I did spread some of the funny local names my friends had made up in French suburban parking lots in 1988 the Revive guys adopted them unironically and now they are using them to redirect millions towards scientology. This is actual raw power that you have in your hands rawbertson, make sure to be wise with it.
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Godspeed man. I'm a loser and skate by myself, so even if I tried to help you out it wouldn't change anything.