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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: butterballs for jerry on September 10, 2021, 05:53:19 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIGE4Ri5mA&t=173s
it's in the first 30 seconds
does it matter? I think dragging your heel in any situation, like a back 5-0 or back noseslide kind of invalidates the trick
I know Foy is 5-0ing crazy shit and slamming trying it too
but does that do anything to your perception of his 5-0s?
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yeah it doesnt count
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It depends on the skater, he's not trying to level it all off like Chris Roberts so I think it's cool
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It still counts I think.
“Do you lift your heel when you 5-0?”
“No.”
“Be a whole lot cooler if you did…”
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i think most 5-0s on round rails, especially frontside have some heel action - pretty hard not to unless a very straight 5-0
(https://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Junk_Drawer/2013/05/TH0713Cover-610.jpg)
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does it matter?
No
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well show me a 5-0 on a long circle handrail where they aren't dragging their heel
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Leo doesn’t drag his heel
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Leo doesn’t drag his heel
Neither did Ben Gilley or Jamie Thomas, they rode that shit straight to hell
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fellas, is dragging your heel gay?
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fellas, is dragging your heel gay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ2X2_ts5Kw&ab_channel=OfficialJosieCotton
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Leo doesn’t drag his heel
Neither did Ben Gilley or Jamie Thomas, they rode that shit straight to hell
Before you get flowed from emerica Pierre sits you down and let’s you know there is no heel dragging on Emerica! I was told this by a very reliable euro TM and apparently he was dead on
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fellas, is dragging your heel gay?
Knew that tune but never knew Johnny was dragging his heels the whole time!
I drag my toes. only on ledges though, I dont have the libido to skate rails.
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No
It still looks great. So, no it doesn‘t matter.
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permission to
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It still looks great. So, no it doesn‘t matter.
Nah... Leo Romero, Ben Gilley, and JT are the only people who have ever 5-0'd a handrail. Sorry Foy Boy, those are the rules. Didn't make em up, just play by em...
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Cheats on front Krooks too..seems to use his belly
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTb3zNBgRCD/?utm_medium=copy_link
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second angle on that front crook is crazy
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I think in rollerblading it’s called a sess slide
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Who cares
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well show me a 5-0 on a long circle handrail where they aren't dragging their heel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fpNJcfKCU
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I guess shit like this will matter now that it’s an Olympic sport
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He's basically doing rails with soap shoes on if that's the case. None of those count.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIGE4Ri5mA&t=173s
it's in the first 30 seconds
does it matter? I think dragging your heel in any situation, like a back 5-0 or back noseslide kind of invalidates the trick
I know Foy is 5-0ing crazy shit and slamming trying it too
but does that do anything to your perception of his 5-0s?
Bastard. SOTY revoked. Off to jail.
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Are you idiots applying berries skate rules to real life now? Let big boy drag a heel.
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BEN GILLY destroys:
small rails,
large rails,
big gaps,
small mammals.
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This is mind blowing news…wow slap has been dry lately
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When’s his pro soap shoe dropping?
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Miss Lippy's car...is green
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People actually give a shit?
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People actually give a shit?
alright cool guy
if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?
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It seems from the comments that there is more or less consensus amongst the Pals that toe dragging when dealing with large handrails doing 5-0's it is okay? ;D - I do not have a strong opinion on this matter though hahaha.
P.S. that Ben Gilley remix part was sick and the music choice was very weirdly well fitting. He is one of those few pros that was good at only one genre of skating and that was it (big handrails).
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geoff rolly cares
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People actually give a shit?
alright cool guy
if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?
Nope. If that is acceptable to him, it counts.
I can understand caring if someone did it as a match in a game of skate, but that’s it.
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Some of my favorite 5-0's have been from Emerica or Baker skaters
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a 5-0 should be exactly at the midpoint of the truck, with sparks coming out of the rail, and the skater in the thriller dance pose. Any deviation from said definition invalidates the 5-0. Do it right or it doesn't count.
My source is pure instinct.
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I wish I was skilled enough to drag my heel and have it effect anything
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Mate that’s fine and all if you’re doing 5-0 stalls on a quarter, you would need the most stupidly tight trucks to balance like that on a flatbar and would only work if you were just trying to bash the end of it with your momentum, no lock
That said a couple of those photos look suss as fuck
Reckon if you’re using your shoe as a brake it’s no bueno
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I missed what you said about the pose my bad
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I don't have an issue with dragging the tail but dragging your foot crosses a line.
That being said I've only 5-0'd a flat bar/rail a handful of times, maybe my lack of heel dragging is the reason that I just can't do this trick? (I can't figure out where to put my weight and the board usually just pops out from under me... Smiths feel amazing on a rail, 5-0s down a hubba feel great, but 5-0s on rails are terrifying and confusing.)
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did gravette heel drag? there's my answer
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Leo doesn’t drag his heel
Leo is a midget though.
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See 1:12
https://youtu.be/HkRUwsb6P8g
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I really don’t care what he does. Not interested
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did gravette heel drag? there's my answer
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Similar argument / debate as to whether a nose grind is legit if the nose scrapes. I've heard many ppl say a 5-0 is not legit if the tail scrapes.
I've heard some OG's say: "it depends if its for a photo"
And another skater I know said: "If a 5-0 and nose grind isn't balanced then its not proper basically and anyone who argues against this can't do them properly!"
Each to their own perhaps...
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Damn brody really deepthroat whistle blew dry snitched on himself in casual conversation for no reason
That awkward pause after said it all
The most flagrant aspect is the drastic reduction in speed, looking at the footage those 5-0s are comically slow for how fast they should be
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glad slap is here to expose this fraud
its like when TJ got soty and didnt even go over the can
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Maybe Foy thought they said “All heel Cardiel”.
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People actually give a shit?
alright cool guy
if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?
I can understand caring if someone did it as a match in a game of skate, but that’s it.
you think that a scraped manual is acceptable? have you ever done a tough manual trick in your life? I feel like you're trying too hard to seem all accepting, like you probably use the term "gatekeeper" on a regular basis.
there used to be standards for this shit, where clean tricks were better than sloppy tricks (except Greco), but now you're trying to say that it's all good maaaaan. nah fuck that, if I'm watching a pro part I want that shit to be exciting and mind blowing. dragging your heel to slow down on a handrail or taking shitty sloppy manuals is the opposite of that.
if someone filmed a kickflip 5-0 on a ledge but missed the grind and just rode on top, in a pro part, would that get you stoked? what about flip tricks that bounce off the ground? full respect to the dude because he's ok with it?
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I think to me personally, as long as the end result looks cool it doesn’t matter. As crazy as the distance was on that, he just looked so slow, and his speed dipping a few times during it. Definitely kinda weird. Tail scrape is fine by me because I like the look of the board at a steeper angle.
I can barely 5-0 a ledge tho so no clue how necessary it is to drag your heel on a round rail.
Was this more common when people were wearing bigger shoes and riding smaller boards? I’d imagine it would’ve been hard to do one without catching a little bit of shoe on purpose or not.
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Lived my life with strict taildrag doesn't count rule. Now I'm old and fat and realise it could not matter less. Just land your shit as quickly as possible and move on with your life.
Backside noseslides will always be rollerblade slides to me tho
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I think to me personally, as long as the end result looks cool it doesn’t matter. As crazy as the distance was on that, he just looked so slow, and his speed dipping a few times during it. Definitely kinda weird. Tail scrape is fine by me because I like the look of the board at a steeper angle.
I can barely 5-0 a ledge tho so no clue how necessary it is to drag your heel on a round rail.
Was this more common when people were wearing bigger shoes and riding smaller boards? I’d imagine it would’ve been hard to do one without catching a little bit of shoe on purpose or not.
You got that twisted bro, we weren‘t wearing bigger shoes in length, only puffier because we stuffed socks underneath the tongue.
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Lived my life with strict taildrag doesn't count rule. Now I'm old and fat and realise it could not matter less. Just land your shit as quickly as possible and move on with your life.
Backside noseslides will always be rollerblade slides to me tho
I still believe that. I‘d never claim a 5-0 if my tail dragged. That‘s why I never claim one.
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People actually give a shit?
alright cool guy
if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?
I can understand caring if someone did it as a match in a game of skate, but that’s it.
you think that a scraped manual is acceptable? have you ever done a tough manual trick in your life? I feel like you're trying too hard to seem all accepting, like you probably use the term "gatekeeper" on a regular basis.
there used to be standards for this shit, where clean tricks were better than sloppy tricks (except Greco), but now you're trying to say that it's all good maaaaan. nah fuck that, if I'm watching a pro part I want that shit to be exciting and mind blowing. dragging your heel to slow down on a handrail or taking shitty sloppy manuals is the opposite of that.
if someone filmed a kickflip 5-0 on a ledge but missed the grind and just rode on top, in a pro part, would that get you stoked? what about flip tricks that bounce off the ground? full respect to the dude because he's ok with it?
Settle down man. If a dude wants to put out a part where his tail scrapes, so what? If he’s not claiming his tail didn’t scrape, then I don’t see the big deal. It fits his standard. I personally wouldn’t do it because I think it looks like shit, but to each their own man.
I never said that would get me stoked, I’m just saying I don’t give a shit if they put out a part with sloppy skating. I just won’t watch it again. I won’t act like it’s something that affects me and call them a fraud or say their shit doesn’t count unless they’re trying to say they did something they clearly didn’t.
At the end of the day, if someone does a 5-0 or nose grind that looks sick and they had their tail scrape or their heel drag, does it really matter? I don’t have time to worry about if certain tricks “counted”. If someone puts out a part that looks like shit I just won’t watch it again.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DWHHK8jCUM
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When did it become a thing that 5-0s have to be like manuals anyway? I think tail scrape + tweaked out from the ledge just looks cooler. The manual version is way easier on ledges anyway.
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People actually give a shit?
alright cool guy
if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?
I can understand caring if someone did it as a match in a game of skate, but that’s it.
you think that a scraped manual is acceptable? have you ever done a tough manual trick in your life? I feel like you're trying too hard to seem all accepting, like you probably use the term "gatekeeper" on a regular basis.
there used to be standards for this shit, where clean tricks were better than sloppy tricks (except Greco), but now you're trying to say that it's all good maaaaan. nah fuck that, if I'm watching a pro part I want that shit to be exciting and mind blowing. dragging your heel to slow down on a handrail or taking shitty sloppy manuals is the opposite of that.
if someone filmed a kickflip 5-0 on a ledge but missed the grind and just rode on top, in a pro part, would that get you stoked? what about flip tricks that bounce off the ground? full respect to the dude because he's ok with it?
I never said that would get me stoked, I’m just saying I don’t give a shit if they put out a part with sloppy skating. I just won’t watch it again. I won’t act like it’s something that affects me and call them a fraud or say their shit doesn’t count unless they’re trying to say they did something they clearly didn’t.
At the end of the day, if someone does a 5-0 or nose grind that looks sick and they had their tail scrape or their heel drag, does it really matter? I don’t have time to worry about if certain tricks “counted”. If someone puts out a part that looks like shit I just won’t watch it again.
The fact that you wouldn't watch it again is fine, but kids out there might start to think that a scrape is fine if they see one, monkey see, monkey do - style. I think that as free as skating is, when it comes to certain things there are definite standards, and calling out shitty techniques or overt flaws is important. So I give a shit. You can not give a shit all you want, but by not bothering to call it out you're helping to create more bad skating
Skateboarding is such an amazing thing. I treat it as a discipline more than a sport or an art, while others might take it down a more creative, silly route, all while being completely valid. But when it comes to putting out footage that will influence the next generation on a grand scale, I don't think it makes any sense to put a bad trick into an edit and try to pass it off as good.
Do you want to see kids over the next few years all dragging their heels down twenty stairs? Squeaking all the way, taking forever to get to the bottom?
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The fact that you wouldn't watch it again is fine, but kids out there might start to think that a scrape is fine if they see one, monkey see, monkey do - style. I think that as free as skating is, when it comes to certain things there are definite standards, and calling out shitty techniques or overt flaws is important. So I give a shit. You can not give a shit all you want, but by not bothering to call it out you're helping to create more bad skating
Skateboarding is such an amazing thing. I treat it as a discipline more than a sport or an art, while others might take it down a more creative, silly route, all while being completely valid. But when it comes to putting out footage that will influence the next generation on a grand scale, I don't think it makes any sense to put a bad trick into an edit and try to pass it off as good.
Do you want to see kids over the next few years all dragging their heels down twenty stairs? Squeaking all the way, taking forever to get to the bottom?
If that’s what those kids want to do, then let them; if they can still make it look good even better. Styles and norms change. A shit ton of early 90s stuff had super sloppy skating and no one cared at the time. Then that changed. If sloppy skating becomes the new norm it’ll change again. In the end, the video parts that have the skating I like aren’t going anywhere.
I really don’t see a reason to dictate how anyone else skates as long as they aren’t trying to pass it off as something it’s not, which Foy isn’t.
I mean if you’re going to go after him for doing something he’s 100% copping to, why not go after the guys in Yeah Right for “cheating” on the stacked picnic tables? I mean yeah, they never pretended like they didn’t actually use a ramp that was green screened out, but they didn’t do it themselves, so it’s still “cheating” and shouldn’t be in the video.
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well really whats the difference between heel drag and tail drag? tail drag could also involve some hidden shoe drag
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This is surprising? Have you seen what he does with his front truck?
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This is surprising? Have you seen what he does with his front truck?
Das pinch on a fs crook is way different than boogersliding a 5-0
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I know this isn't exactly the topic, but scraping on a nose manual and still going always feels like an incredible achievement when it happens.
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Damn all my 5-0s never counted
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if it doesn't count as a 5-0 if you drag your heel, then what trick is it?
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if it doesn't count as a 5-0 if you drag your heel, then what trick is it?
I guess it would be a sloppy 5-0 or not considered a trick, same way as if you drag your heel on any trick... I wouldn't count a flatground trick if you drag your foot.
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He could drag his fat fucking cock on the rail and I'd still call it a make y'all tweakin
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Damn brody really deepthroat whistle blew dry snitched on himself in casual conversation for no reason
That awkward pause after said it all
The most flagrant aspect is the drastic reduction in speed, looking at the footage those 5-0s are comically slow for how fast they should be
this last point here. going slow and leaning back and forth to keep balance looks terrible. this foot pinch thing probably helps him stay on.
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Foy doesn’t use heel if it’s a big steep hand rail (nobody does u would get served) but if he’s gotta hold that shit and actually balance it, a pinch using his heel makes sense and works.
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Would it be easier to do a long ass fifty with one of those balance sticks you see cunts with at the circus?
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its ok you just have use your eyes and realize that a balance 5-0 and a heel drag 5-0 is 2 different things appreciate what they are think outside the box a loittle more dont get so caught up in trick naming conventions and shit a picutre says a thousand words and all that
when you tell someone about it you better say "yo guy it was a BALANCED 5-0" you better fuckin call that out!
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a lot of folks in here who can't do 5-0's judging if a 20 stair handrail 5-0 "counts" is hilarious.
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Honestly grinding with less than two trucks is kinda whack. Congrats on grinding 50% less you damn ballerinas. No chance of tail drag either.
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When I do 5-0s on round rails I tuck the rail against the heelside wheel and tweak it crooked a little bit and if you're hauling enough ass and standing right above it it grinds just fine no heel drag necessary, with that said I skate flatbars and would never in a million years 5-0 a handrail unless I had a gun to my head and the hospital bills that would almost definitely ensue were covered by someone other than me. Also if you want to drag your heel if it makes you feel better why not, basically all of us didn't notice that shit until he pointed it out himself so why do we even care
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Would it be easier to do a long ass fifty with one of those balance sticks you see cunts with at the circus?
I could see it
(https://i.imgur.com/w77PJxn.jpg)
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Would it be easier to do a long ass fifty with one of those balance sticks you see cunts with at the circus?
I could see it
(https://i.imgur.com/w77PJxn.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
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Would it be easier to do a long ass fifty with one of those balance sticks you see cunts with at the circus?
I could see it
(https://i.imgur.com/w77PJxn.jpg)
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a lot of folks in here who can't do 5-0's judging if a 20 stair handrail 5-0 "counts" is hilarious.
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Leo doesn’t drag his heel
He is a lil fella ain’t he
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a lot of folks in here who can't do 5-0's judging if a 20 stair handrail 5-0 "counts" is hilarious.
i'm judging it:
heel drag - unacceptable
tail drag - acceptable
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a lot of folks in here who can't do 5-0's judging if a 20 stair handrail 5-0 "counts" is hilarious.
Bahahahaha so true
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Yeah, but he kickflip to front krooked that massive drop rail, among other things.
Huge, huge pass.
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a lot of folks in here who can't do 5-0's judging if a 20 stair handrail 5-0 "counts" is hilarious.
i'm judging it:
heel drag - unacceptable
tail drag - acceptable
Well said.
A proper 5-0 (or a nose grind) should be balanced. End of. And doesn't matter if u can or cannot do it to know this or judge it! Most ppl that argue against it don't or can't balance that shit so go figure...
Same argument with daspinch crooked grinds - if it ain't done properly then it's not legit. Simple. Plus no on is saying u can't do it how u wanna do it but there are unwritten rules to this shit.
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Would it be easier to do a long ass fifty with one of those balance sticks you see cunts with at the circus?
I could see it
(https://i.imgur.com/w77PJxn.jpg)
Haha amazing
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Foy better hope this doesn't get on Weck's radar.
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a lot of folks in here who can't do 5-0's judging if a 20 stair handrail 5-0 "counts" is hilarious.
i'm judging it:
heel drag - unacceptable
tail drag - acceptable
Well said.
A proper 5-0 (or a nose grind) should be balanced. End of. And doesn't matter if u can or cannot do it to know this or judge it! Most ppl that argue against it don't or can't balance that shit so go figure...
Same argument with daspinch crooked grinds - if it ain't done properly then it's not legit. Simple. Plus no on is saying u can't do it how u wanna do it but there are unwritten rules to this shit.
so 98% of every 5-0 and handrail nosegrind in the history of skateboarding doesn't count. got it.
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who?
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Everyone saying 5-0’s don’t count with a heel drag are the same people at the park screaming frontside overcrook
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I don't know about you all but personally I get a high off of when I 5-0 clean, no foot drag, tail scraping or losing balance... life is good isn't it? Can't wait to skate again... :-[ :'( :)
Edit: 5-0 is my favorite trick...
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a lot of folks in here who can't do 5-0's judging if a 20 stair handrail 5-0 "counts" is hilarious.
i'm judging it:
heel drag - unacceptable
tail drag - acceptable
Well said.
A proper 5-0 (or a nose grind) should be balanced. End of. And doesn't matter if u can or cannot do it to know this or judge it! Most ppl that argue against it don't or can't balance that shit so go figure...
Same argument with daspinch crooked grinds - if it ain't done properly then it's not legit. Simple. Plus no on is saying u can't do it how u wanna do it but there are unwritten rules to this shit.
Easily said by a person who's never taken a 5-0 down a steep rail. It's pretty damn near impossible to not make contact with your tail on steeper rails, that's just simple geometry. Crooked grinds on tight trucks often don't pinch, still a crooked grind.
Ya'll need to quit making up so many rules for skateboarding, I sure as hell didn't start skating in hopes of becoming a "proper" skateboarder.
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can we discuss 5-0 on pool coping? i think they look extra stylish when the skaters enters the bowl by doing a grind as loud as possible, even better when the tail smacks/slaps the coping when exiting the grind
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Basically all I do are nosegrinds and 5-0s and I do them the balanced way. I actually think fully pressed down is harder and looks better. All I do is just manual but on the truck along the edge of a ledge.
I guess there's just lazily dragging the tail or nose by some people but then there's like digging in and driving a grind along (kind of like what people do with transition) which actually feels like a proper trick.
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what if you did a 5-0 except all you did was ride down a circle rail on one wheel and didnt touch your heel or tail
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what if you did a 5-0 except all you did was ride down a circle rail on one wheel and didnt touch your heel or tail
that you richie jackson
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(https://soloskatemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/jamie.jpg)
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maybe it’s just that slow 5-0’s look shitty on rails? someone post someone doing a nice and slow 5-0 down a handrail.
the zion/foy sign language 5-0’s still count but obv look worse than a fast controlled one
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this notion has me dragging 5 0s extra hard. its not a manual who cares
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I feel like, when it comes to dragging/ pressing the nose/tail down, it dependys on backside or frontside. On bs 5-0s and nosegrind I often do not drag but fs, all the nosegrinds and 5-0s get hella dragged