Jamie Foy drags his heel whenever he 5-0s rails

[butterballs for jerry]

People actually give a shit?

alright cool guy

if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?

[benboardbreaker]

It seems from the comments that there is more or less consensus amongst the Pals that toe dragging when dealing with large handrails doing 5-0's it is okay?  - I do not have a strong opinion on this matter though hahaha.



P.S. that Ben Gilley remix part was sick and the music choice was very weirdly well fitting. He is one of those few pros that was good at only one genre of skating and that was it (big handrails).

[Hinna]

geoff rolly cares

[Loki700]

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alright cool guy

if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?

Nope.  If that is acceptable to him, it counts.

I can understand caring if someone did it as a match in a game of skate, but that’s it.

[lk130]

Some of my favorite 5-0's have been from Emerica or Baker skaters

[roomservice]

a 5-0 should be exactly at the midpoint of the truck, with sparks coming out of the rail, and the skater in the thriller dance pose. Any deviation from said definition invalidates the 5-0. Do it right or it doesn't count.

My source is pure instinct.

[funeral_tuxedo]

I wish I was skilled enough to drag my heel and have it effect anything

[matty_c]

Mate that’s fine and all if you’re doing 5-0 stalls on a quarter, you would need the most stupidly tight trucks to balance like that on a flatbar and would only work if you were just trying to bash the end of it with your momentum, no lock

That said a couple of those photos look suss as fuck
Reckon if you’re using your shoe as a brake it’s no bueno

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I missed what you said about the pose my bad

[TheLurper]

I don't have an issue with dragging the tail but dragging your foot crosses a line.

That being said I've only 5-0'd a flat bar/rail a handful of times, maybe my lack of heel dragging is the reason that I just can't do this trick? (I can't figure out where to put my weight and the board usually just pops out from under me... Smiths feel amazing on a rail, 5-0s down a hubba feel great, but 5-0s on rails are terrifying and confusing.)

[Lord Viper Scorpion]

did gravette heel drag? there's my answer

[Brguy]

Leo doesn’t drag his heel

Leo is a midget though.

[lk130]

See 1:12

[Dooky-shoes]

I really don’t care what he does. Not interested

[lemonchicken91]

did gravette heel drag? there's my answer

[Bigwheelbite]

Similar argument / debate as to whether a nose grind is legit if the nose scrapes. I've heard many ppl say a 5-0 is not legit if the tail scrapes.

I've heard some OG's say: "it depends if its for a photo"
And another skater I know said: "If a 5-0 and nose grind isn't balanced then its not proper basically and anyone who argues against this can't do them properly!"

Each to their own perhaps...

[pro club blanks]

Damn brody really deepthroat whistle blew dry snitched on himself in casual conversation for no reason

That awkward pause after said it all

The most flagrant aspect is the drastic reduction in speed, looking at the footage those 5-0s are comically slow for how fast they should be

[dannyprovolone]

glad slap is here to expose this fraud

its like when TJ got soty and didnt even go over the can

[HugeBodBoyle]

Maybe Foy thought they said “All heel Cardiel”.

[butterballs for jerry]

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alright cool guy

if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?

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Nope.  If that is acceptable to him, it counts.

I can understand caring if someone did it as a match in a game of skate, but that’s it.

you think that a scraped manual is acceptable? have you ever done a tough manual trick in your life? I feel like you're trying too hard to seem all accepting, like you probably use the term "gatekeeper" on a regular basis.

there used to be standards for this shit, where clean tricks were better than sloppy tricks (except Greco), but now you're trying to say that it's all good maaaaan. nah fuck that, if I'm watching a pro part I want that shit to be exciting and mind blowing. dragging your heel to slow down on a handrail or taking shitty sloppy manuals is the opposite of that.

if someone filmed a kickflip 5-0 on a ledge but missed the grind and just rode on top, in a pro part, would that get you stoked? what about flip tricks that bounce off the ground? full respect to the dude because he's ok with it?

[Robby]

I think to me personally, as long as the end result looks cool it doesn’t matter. As crazy as the distance was on that, he just looked so slow, and his speed dipping a few times during it. Definitely kinda weird. Tail scrape is fine by me because I like the look of the board at a steeper angle.

I can barely 5-0 a ledge tho so no clue how necessary it is to drag your heel on a round rail.

Was this more common when people were wearing bigger shoes and riding smaller boards? I’d imagine it would’ve been hard to do one without catching a little bit of shoe on purpose or not.

[Mean salto]

Lived my life with strict taildrag doesn't count rule. Now I'm old and fat and realise it could not matter less. Just land your shit as quickly as possible and move on with your life.

Backside noseslides will always be rollerblade slides to me tho

[Easy Slider]

I think to me personally, as long as the end result looks cool it doesn’t matter. As crazy as the distance was on that, he just looked so slow, and his speed dipping a few times during it. Definitely kinda weird. Tail scrape is fine by me because I like the look of the board at a steeper angle.

I can barely 5-0 a ledge tho so no clue how necessary it is to drag your heel on a round rail.

Was this more common when people were wearing bigger shoes and riding smaller boards? I’d imagine it would’ve been hard to do one without catching a little bit of shoe on purpose or not.

You got that twisted bro, we weren‘t wearing bigger shoes in length, only puffier because we stuffed socks underneath the tongue.

[Easy Slider]

Lived my life with strict taildrag doesn't count rule. Now I'm old and fat and realise it could not matter less. Just land your shit as quickly as possible and move on with your life.

Backside noseslides will always be rollerblade slides to me tho

I still believe that. I‘d never claim a 5-0 if my tail dragged. That‘s why I never claim one.

[Loki700]

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alright cool guy

if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?

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Nope.  If that is acceptable to him, it counts.

I can understand caring if someone did it as a match in a game of skate, but that’s it.

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you think that a scraped manual is acceptable? have you ever done a tough manual trick in your life? I feel like you're trying too hard to seem all accepting, like you probably use the term "gatekeeper" on a regular basis.

there used to be standards for this shit, where clean tricks were better than sloppy tricks (except Greco), but now you're trying to say that it's all good maaaaan. nah fuck that, if I'm watching a pro part I want that shit to be exciting and mind blowing. dragging your heel to slow down on a handrail or taking shitty sloppy manuals is the opposite of that.

if someone filmed a kickflip 5-0 on a ledge but missed the grind and just rode on top, in a pro part, would that get you stoked? what about flip tricks that bounce off the ground? full respect to the dude because he's ok with it?

Settle down man. If a dude wants to put out a part where his tail scrapes, so what?  If he’s not claiming his tail didn’t scrape, then I don’t see the big deal.  It fits his standard.  I personally wouldn’t do it because I think it looks like shit, but to each their own man.

I never said that would get me stoked, I’m just saying I don’t give a shit if they put out a part with sloppy skating.  I just won’t watch it again.  I won’t act like it’s something that affects me and call them a fraud or say their shit doesn’t count unless they’re trying to say they did something they clearly didn’t.

At the end of the day, if someone does a 5-0 or nose grind that looks sick and they had their tail scrape or their heel drag, does it really matter?  I don’t have time to worry about if certain tricks “counted”. If someone puts out a part that looks like shit I just won’t watch it again.

[Hastings]

[SatanicPanic]

When did it become a thing that 5-0s have to be like manuals anyway? I think tail scrape + tweaked out from the ledge just looks cooler. The manual version is way easier on ledges anyway.

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alright cool guy

if someone scraped on a manual and put it in a video part, would you give a shit?

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Nope.  If that is acceptable to him, it counts.

I can understand caring if someone did it as a match in a game of skate, but that’s it.

[close]

you think that a scraped manual is acceptable? have you ever done a tough manual trick in your life? I feel like you're trying too hard to seem all accepting, like you probably use the term "gatekeeper" on a regular basis.

there used to be standards for this shit, where clean tricks were better than sloppy tricks (except Greco), but now you're trying to say that it's all good maaaaan. nah fuck that, if I'm watching a pro part I want that shit to be exciting and mind blowing. dragging your heel to slow down on a handrail or taking shitty sloppy manuals is the opposite of that.

if someone filmed a kickflip 5-0 on a ledge but missed the grind and just rode on top, in a pro part, would that get you stoked? what about flip tricks that bounce off the ground? full respect to the dude because he's ok with it?

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Settle down man. If a dude wants to put out a part where his tail scrapes, so what?  If he’s not claiming his tail didn’t scrape, then I don’t see the big deal.  It fits his standard.  I personally wouldn’t do it because I think it looks like shit, but to each their own man.

I never said that would get me stoked, I’m just saying I don’t give a shit if they put out a part with sloppy skating.  I just won’t watch it again.  I won’t act like it’s something that affects me and call them a fraud or say their shit doesn’t count unless they’re trying to say they did something they clearly didn’t.

At the end of the day, if someone does a 5-0 or nose grind that looks sick and they had their tail scrape or their heel drag, does it really matter?  I don’t have time to worry about if certain tricks “counted”. If someone puts out a part that looks like shit I just won’t watch it again.

The fact that you wouldn't watch it again is fine, but kids out there might start to think that a scrape is fine if they see one, monkey see, monkey do - style.  I think that as free as skating is, when it comes to certain things there are definite standards, and calling out shitty techniques or overt flaws is important. So I give a shit. You can not give a shit all you want, but by not bothering to call it out you're helping to create more bad skating

Skateboarding is such an amazing thing. I treat it as a discipline more than a sport or an art, while others might take it down a more creative, silly route, all while being completely valid. But when it comes to putting out footage that will influence the next generation on a grand scale, I don't think it makes any sense to put a bad trick into an edit and try to pass it off as good.

Do you want to see kids over the next few years all dragging their heels down twenty stairs? Squeaking all the way, taking forever to get to the bottom?

[Loki700]

The fact that you wouldn't watch it again is fine, but kids out there might start to think that a scrape is fine if they see one, monkey see, monkey do - style.  I think that as free as skating is, when it comes to certain things there are definite standards, and calling out shitty techniques or overt flaws is important. So I give a shit. You can not give a shit all you want, but by not bothering to call it out you're helping to create more bad skating

Skateboarding is such an amazing thing. I treat it as a discipline more than a sport or an art, while others might take it down a more creative, silly route, all while being completely valid. But when it comes to putting out footage that will influence the next generation on a grand scale, I don't think it makes any sense to put a bad trick into an edit and try to pass it off as good.

Do you want to see kids over the next few years all dragging their heels down twenty stairs? Squeaking all the way, taking forever to get to the bottom?

If that’s what those kids want to do, then let them; if they can still make it look good even better.  Styles and norms change.  A shit ton of early 90s stuff had super sloppy skating and no one cared at the time.  Then that changed.  If sloppy skating becomes the new norm it’ll change again. In the end, the video parts that have the skating I like aren’t going anywhere. 

I really don’t see a reason to dictate how anyone else skates as long as they aren’t trying to pass it off as something it’s not, which Foy isn’t. 

I mean if you’re going to go after him for doing something he’s 100% copping to, why not go after the guys in Yeah Right for “cheating” on the stacked picnic tables? I mean yeah, they never pretended like they didn’t actually use a ramp that was green screened out, but they didn’t do it themselves, so it’s still “cheating” and shouldn’t be in the video.

[ProjectBluebeam]

well really whats the difference between heel drag and tail drag? tail drag could also involve some hidden shoe drag

[j....soy.....]

This is surprising?  Have you seen what he does with his front truck?