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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: yourbreakfsat on March 10, 2022, 01:25:51 PM
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To start off, this isn't a review obviously. The shoe just released today. This is more of an overview that I think needs its own thread since it's vastly different than the other Vans Skate models.
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I bought a size 9 from a Vans store due to skateshops in the area not having my size or not having this model available. These were $80 before tax, and I believe the white and rose colorways are $85. Based on what I've seen online and from what I gathered in the store when the associate looked for my size, the black colorway has the biggest size run while the white and rose colorways are limited to smaller sizes. This store only had black in my size, so that's what I went with.
The box is natural color instead of white, and features the same branding as the white boxes.
I was also given a pack of wildflower seeds with a purchase of these shoes, which is a nice touch and adds to the whole nature idea behind this shoe.
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The BIGGEST change here is the fit. They fit very snug and narrow, so much so that I considered sizing up half a size but decided to stick with my normal size. I didn't notice heel raise in my normal size edit: small amount of heel raise but not enough to worry about, but going half size up introduced heel raise. Those that have wide feet or want more room in the toe area should consider going up half or even a full size up, depending on your preference. I would highly suggest trying these on in person first. Although these are designed by and for women, this is still a unisex shoe.
Laces are 56 inches long, and a spare lace set is included. The lace length is great for me since it's enough to use all the eyelets and tie the laces with enough spare lace to spare, but not so much to were the laces drape over the entire side of the shoe.
The insoles are called "Ecocush" which is "a 70% bio-based PU that offers comparable performance to PopCush™ for skateboarding." (Vans) On foot they feel about the same, but the Ecocush is shorter than Popcush through out the whole insole.
The purple insole is a Skate Classic Popcush (this matters since Popcush insoles before Skate Classics came out are thicker) and the yellow insole is the Ecocush.
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The upper is suede in high wear areas, and canvas in the middle. There are also vent holes on the inside facing part of the shoe.
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The sole actually extends past the foxing tape. I theorize that is to prevent the foxing tape from separating from the sole through wear and tear, which is going to be amazing if this design fixes that problem.
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I think the toebox is slightly smaller than other Vans Skate models, although I don't have exact measurements.
Side by side comparison of Skate Classics Authentics and Lizzies.
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Whether or not these have the same performance as other Vans Skate models, I couldn't tell you yet. Let me know if there's anything else you want me to find out about the shoe and I'll do my best to answer them aside from cutting them in half.
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Are the Lizzie's considered cupsoles or vulcanized?
Also, anyone going to the Lizzie show release event in LA this weekend?
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Are the Lizzie's considered cupsoles or vulcanized?
Also, anyone going to the Lizzie show release event in LA this weekend?
They are vulcanized.
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Thanks!
Look good
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They look like a modernized skate-hi. Do they have more cushioning on the uppers than the skate-his?
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They look like a modernized skate-hi. Do they have more cushioning on the uppers than the skate-his?
The collar is not cushioned/padded.
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They look like a modernized skate-hi. Do they have more cushioning on the uppers than the skate-his?
The collar is not cushioned/padded.
im not super up to date on vans, is this the first shoe with that sole? if not, what's been the general consensus?
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The granular specificity of this op is fucking bonkers and I cannot properly express how much I respect that.
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The granular specificity of this op is fucking bonkers and I cannot properly express how much I respect that.
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Bummed my wide foot will be an issue
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They remind me a lot of the Crockett high tops at first glance. Excited to see your thoughts once you wear them for a bit @yourbreakfsat
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https://www.vans.com/thelizzie.html?icn=homepage_ife_lizzie_learn
From the "universal fit" section of the write up:
"If no two skateboarders are the same, why are all skate shoes made the same? The Lizzie introduces an entirely new fit to the skate shoe world. It’s snug but not slim, secure but not restrictive, and universally form-fitting for a wider variety of skateboarders’ feet."
Weird write up for a shoe that looks slimmer than normal vans.
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https://www.vans.com/thelizzie.html?icn=homepage_ife_lizzie_learn
From the "universal fit" section of the write up:
"If no two skateboarders are the same, why are all skate shoes made the same? The Lizzie introduces an entirely new fit to the skate shoe world. It’s snug but not slim, secure but not restrictive, and universally form-fitting for a wider variety of skateboarders’ feet."
Weird write up for a shoe that looks slimmer than normal vans.
They very much look like bunion makers.
If no two people have the same feet how can something be universally form fitting? It can't it's just marketing waffle (pun intended). If they wanted to fit more people they need to just make more sizes.
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They look slim, but not that slim. Kinda like a Nike Blazer?
Just not as round toe.
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https://www.vans.com/thelizzie.html?icn=homepage_ife_lizzie_learn
From the "universal fit" section of the write up:
"If no two skateboarders are the same, why are all skate shoes made the same? The Lizzie introduces an entirely new fit to the skate shoe world. It’s snug but not slim, secure but not restrictive, and universally form-fitting for a wider variety of skateboarders’ feet."
Weird write up for a shoe that looks slimmer than normal vans.
I really don't understand Vans dancing around the fact that it's a ladies shoe, made for the ladies. This "wide variety" and "universal" wording is all nonsense. Lizzie wanted to create a shoe that her feet don't swim in and are contoured to a woman's foot. Why is that so hard.to admit and market Vans?
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Thanks for the write-up— it basically confirms that these will not be worth trying for me, even tho they look quite nice. But a nice option for someone with narrower feet I suppose
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Been skating the Lizzie's for a couple of weeks now. Great shoe, but, way too narrow in the toe. That combined with the duracap causes a shooting pain in my toes.
Vans really needs to focus on comfort v.s. durability. Their innovation in the skate line is completely irrelevant to what their consumers want (i.e. Wavee). They really need to ditch popcush and create something similar to the Blazer & Dunk insole and just get rid of the duracap layer altogether.
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https://www.vans.com/thelizzie.html?icn=homepage_ife_lizzie_learn
From the "universal fit" section of the write up:
"If no two skateboarders are the same, why are all skate shoes made the same? The Lizzie introduces an entirely new fit to the skate shoe world. It’s snug but not slim, secure but not restrictive, and universally form-fitting for a wider variety of skateboarders’ feet."
Weird write up for a shoe that looks slimmer than normal vans.
I really don't understand Vans dancing around the fact that it's a ladies shoe, made for the ladies. This "wide variety" and "universal" wording is all nonsense. Lizzie wanted to create a shoe that her feet don't swim in and are contoured to a woman's foot. Why is that so hard.to admit and market Vans?
If I recall correctly, Leo Baker's first shoe (pre-transition, I don't want to deadname) was a slimmed-down bruin hi. It was only available in women's sizes but was exclusively listed as a men's shoe on the Nike website. Samarria Breveard's 213 is also exclusively listed as a men's shoe, although it feels way slimmer than the standard New Balance 213.
I'd assume it has to do with how the brand catalogs their inventory. Most websites don't have any skate shoes listed under women's shoes. But I'm just guessing.
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https://www.vans.com/thelizzie.html?icn=homepage_ife_lizzie_learn
From the "universal fit" section of the write up:
"If no two skateboarders are the same, why are all skate shoes made the same? The Lizzie introduces an entirely new fit to the skate shoe world. It’s snug but not slim, secure but not restrictive, and universally form-fitting for a wider variety of skateboarders’ feet."
Weird write up for a shoe that looks slimmer than normal vans.
I really don't understand Vans dancing around the fact that it's a ladies shoe, made for the ladies. This "wide variety" and "universal" wording is all nonsense. Lizzie wanted to create a shoe that her feet don't swim in and are contoured to a woman's foot. Why is that so hard.to admit and market Vans?
If I recall correctly, Leo Baker's first shoe (pre-transition, I don't want to deadname) was a slimmed-down bruin hi. It was only available in women's sizes but was exclusively listed as a men's shoe on the Nike website. Samarria Breveard's 213 is also exclusively listed as a men's shoe, although it feels way slimmer than the standard New Balance 213.
I'd assume it has to do with how the brand catalogs their inventory. Most websites don't have any skate shoes listed under women's shoes. But I'm just guessing.
Kinda funny and sorta irrelevant, but one time I was ordering a pair of Converse Louie Lopez's and I noticed that the "woman's" size of the shoe was like ten bucks cheaper. It was the same exact shoe, just the sizes were listed in reverse order lol.
So, I bought a pair of "women's" Converse.
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https://www.vans.com/thelizzie.html?icn=homepage_ife_lizzie_learn
From the "universal fit" section of the write up:
"If no two skateboarders are the same, why are all skate shoes made the same? The Lizzie introduces an entirely new fit to the skate shoe world. It’s snug but not slim, secure but not restrictive, and universally form-fitting for a wider variety of skateboarders’ feet."
Weird write up for a shoe that looks slimmer than normal vans.
I really don't understand Vans dancing around the fact that it's a ladies shoe, made for the ladies. This "wide variety" and "universal" wording is all nonsense. Lizzie wanted to create a shoe that her feet don't swim in and are contoured to a woman's foot. Why is that so hard.to admit and market Vans?
Cons did this too saying the Alexis mids sizing is gender neutral. I’d ride both if they were a standard width.
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Gender neutral shoe sizing overdue
Hyped to try these on
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Bummed my wide foot will be an issue
Those toe boxes don't even look like they're made for human feet. Tailored for some aliens with perfectly symmetrical and rounded toes.
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The granular specificity of this op is fucking bonkers and I cannot properly express how much I respect that.
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They look like a modernized skate-hi. Do they have more cushioning on the uppers than the skate-his?
The collar is not cushioned/padded.
im not super up to date on vans, is this the first shoe with that sole? if not, what's been the general consensus?
I swear I've seen this sole before, but I can't find an example. So far, it's holding up very nice and is grippy but not overly grippy.
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The granular specificity of this op is fucking bonkers and I cannot properly express how much I respect that.
I find myself asking very specific questions about certain products but never could find answers, so I figured I might as well answer them myself :v
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They look like a modernized skate-hi. Do they have more cushioning on the uppers than the skate-his?
The collar is not cushioned/padded.
im not super up to date on vans, is this the first shoe with that sole? if not, what's been the general consensus?
I swear I've seen this sole before, but I can't find an example. So far, it's holding up very nice and is grippy but not overly grippy.
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The granular specificity of this op is fucking bonkers and I cannot properly express how much I respect that.
I find myself asking very specific questions about certain products but never could find answers, so I figured I might as well answer them myself :v
thanks for the answer! i kept thinking it was the same as the ave but it obv isn't. really interesting to see what's been inverted w/r/t the waffle parts, looks like a lot more surface area actually touching the board compared to most vans soles? it's a weird mix of their winterized sole and others to me, but i'm into it. curious how it lasts vs the others too
biggest question though - did you plant your seeds yet?
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They look like a modernized skate-hi. Do they have more cushioning on the uppers than the skate-his?
The collar is not cushioned/padded.
im not super up to date on vans, is this the first shoe with that sole? if not, what's been the general consensus?
I swear I've seen this sole before, but I can't find an example. So far, it's holding up very nice and is grippy but not overly grippy.
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The granular specificity of this op is fucking bonkers and I cannot properly express how much I respect that.
I find myself asking very specific questions about certain products but never could find answers, so I figured I might as well answer them myself :v
thanks for the answer! i kept thinking it was the same as the ave but it obv isn't. really interesting to see what's been inverted w/r/t the waffle parts, looks like a lot more surface area actually touching the board compared to most vans soles? it's a weird mix of their winterized sole and others to me, but i'm into it. curious how it lasts vs the others too
biggest question though - did you plant your seeds yet?
Now that you mention it, the sole design makes sense. I was worried that the sole would feel weird but it doesn't.
And yes, seeds are planted :) I'll post a pic when they bloom.
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Now this is a good thread. These shoes look interesting, I want them.
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Good looking shoe. I’d wear it but I got fat flinstones feet.
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Gender neutral shoe sizing overdue
Hyped to try these on
They made it on a smaller last and called it gender neutral but probably won’t fit most man feets. Real progress would be releasing high volume and low volume shapes like outdoor brands
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I find lizzie attractive.
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Hope she makes millions
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Also, anyone going to the Lizzie show release event in LA this weekend?
Went to the event. A good amount of staff had the shoe.
The pink ones look pretty good but a few people did point out that they fit small. Definitely try them first.
The event was pretty empty and outdoors. Steven Van Doren was whipping up some burgers and super nice. They had a bowl and a block with a hubba. But there was this fucked rail thing. They had Lizzie’s favorite boba spot and free topo chico.
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For those interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU1b5hzjQfk
Not much new info is talked about, but there's a raven colorway in the shot.
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Also, anyone going to the Lizzie show release event in LA this weekend?
The heat made me pound like three Topo Chicos. Haha. I wonder how they’re compared to the Crockett High’s? The Crockett’s have been my jam lately.
Went to the event. A good amount of staff had the shoe.
The pink ones look pretty good but a few people did point out that they fit small. Definitely try them first.
The event was pretty empty and outdoors. Steven Van Doren was whipping up some burgers and super nice. They had a bowl and a block with a hubba. But there was this fucked rail thing. They had Lizzie’s favorite boba spot and free topo chico.
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I find lizzie attractive.
no one asked for this info...
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These shoes look like old vans mids from the 80's, im hyped on them and will be skating a pair soon
Was talking to a rep from vans who was saying they were meant to be a high board feel vulc shoe
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I find lizzie attractive.
Thanks for letting world know!
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The soles have divets in the sides where the toes bend wonder if this will be used in the next models that release
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I'm interested in trying these as the current pro series last is a little bit too wide for me.
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I think Ronnie’s wearing an unseen colorway in Anthony Acosta’s stories
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As a man and skater, I am glad there is gender neutral sizing and that this will fit better for others, then just us men. That being said, as a consumer I don’t think i will buy these because of the fit and me having wider feet. I think these might be seen more as a niche. I am happy for Lizzie tho. Not everything is made for men, it’s important to appreciate it the product even though it’s not specifically made for us.
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Yo these shoes look sick. I will try them because I have narrow feet and Lizzie seems cool. Usually have a 7.5 US in Vans, any recommendations?
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As a man and skater, I am glad there is gender neutral sizing and that this will fit better for others, then just us men. That being said, as a consumer I don’t think i will buy these because of the fit and me having wider feet. I think these might be seen more as a niche. I am happy for Lizzie tho. Not everything is made for men, it’s important to appreciate it the product even though it’s not specifically made for us.
For sure, will cop if they fit. I just don't understand why any brand will spend $$ developing and marketing an athletic shoe and not plainly tell you something simple like "slim fit, width range B-C." Sizing/numbers can be gender neutral without being vague.
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how are these just not lightly edited crockett highs?
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http://www.villagepsychic.net/blog/lizzie-has-a-new-shoe
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http://www.villagepsychic.net/blog/lizzie-has-a-new-shoe
I think the biggest push is the environmental aspect of the shoe. Not much look wise.
As previously stated. Not everything needs to be made for men. Which is fine. But May have to skip these as a wider foot person.
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As a man and skater, I am glad there is gender neutral sizing and that this will fit better for others, then just us men. That being said, as a consumer I don’t think i will buy these because of the fit and me having wider feet. I think these might be seen more as a niche. I am happy for Lizzie tho. Not everything is made for men, it’s important to appreciate it the product even though it’s not specifically made for us.
Essentially how I've felt for the last couple years with Adidas and Nike all their stuff is gender neutral in Aus. (But with shoes obvs not designed specifically narrower or anything) but as a big man who wears size 13s and 3xl shirts I just know ok this isn't made for me.
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http://www.villagepsychic.net/blog/lizzie-has-a-new-shoe
I think the biggest push is the environmental aspect of the shoe. Not much look wise.
As previously stated. Not everything needs to be made for men. Which is fine. But May have to skip these as a wider foot person.
I'd like to check these out in hand and try them on.
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Looking at these in person they don’t look any narrower than the Ishod, Cons, etc
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I will be getting a pair, they're sick! I'm a 9-9.5, need 9.5 in these.
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http://www.villagepsychic.net/blog/lizzie-has-a-new-shoe
I think the biggest push is the environmental aspect of the shoe. Not much look wise.
and yet they went with suede *rolls eyes*
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http://www.villagepsychic.net/blog/lizzie-has-a-new-shoe
I think the biggest push is the environmental aspect of the shoe. Not much look wise.
I’m sure they’ll drop an all canvas colorway.
They’re reasoning is chrome free suede dying or the leather place doesn’t use chrome or something like that. But that 3D dura cap May help all canvas colorways.
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http://www.villagepsychic.net/blog/lizzie-has-a-new-shoe
I think the biggest push is the environmental aspect of the shoe. Not much look wise.
What's the better option for a main material on a eco-skate shoe than suede though? "Vegan" leathers are great, but usually plastic-based synthetics have larger impact on the environment than non-chrome-tanned leathers and suedes. Canvas/hemp/etc would have less impact, but they obviously don't last long for skating. To be "environmentally friendly" is tough when you are doing shoes meant for durability, and even tougher if you desire a vegan shoe.
I’d think natural rubber in the wear areas, otherwise canvas made of some other natural material than cotton. That’s what I’d like to see in the future. Vans came out with the Circle Vee shoe in the surf line a while ago. Those seem like a step in the right direction IMO.
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Personally, I think vans have more than enough funds to R&D something innovative like pineapple or cactus leather if they are going to push the whole environmentally conscious schtick …
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Personally, I think vans have more than enough funds to R&D something innovative like pineapple or cactus leather if they are going to push the whole environmentally conscious schtick …
But would people be willing to pay the extra required for one of these natural alternative leathers? I used pineapple leather for a project in college a couple years ago, and got a sample of mushroom based leather, and know that those would likely make a shoe at least $25 more expensive than a suede/canvas version at retail. They also don't have the durability of cow leathers, and not even quite the durability of a plastic-based synthetic leather.
Until these costs go down, don't expect any of the big companies like Nike, Adidas, or Vans to use them in any impactful way. Maybe a higher priced, limited release with under 1k units produced.
I would be willing to pay fo'sho but that's just me...
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Personally, I think vans have more than enough funds to R&D something innovative like pineapple or cactus leather if they are going to push the whole environmentally conscious schtick …
But would people be willing to pay the extra required for one of these natural alternative leathers? I used pineapple leather for a project in college a couple years ago, and got a sample of mushroom based leather, and know that those would likely make a shoe at least $25 more expensive than a suede/canvas version at retail. They also don't have the durability of cow leathers, and not even quite the durability of a plastic-based synthetic leather.
Until these costs go down, don't expect any of the big companies like Nike, Adidas, or Vans to use them in any impactful way. Maybe a higher priced, limited release with under 1k units produced.
Oh me too. I'm not vegan but I do eat vegetarian meals half the time consciously. So I'm down for these leather alternatives. Just like electric cars you gotta start somewhere and you need early adopters... and us nerds need to be that!
technically they are, with this shoe. it's not the messiah of veganity but it's a step in the right direction.
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What about fit? has anybody pulled the trigger on these yet? how do they fit compared to other vans pro models etc?