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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Solex on April 13, 2022, 03:07:45 PM
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Hi pals!
Just curious. Whether you tried or not, what's your thought about twin tip boards?
Stuff oriented twin tip boards thread :
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=105756.0
OLD POLL RESULT :
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i need a nose
tried em twice and couldnt get around it
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Tried one symmetrical board and found myself needing to put a sticker on one side to designate a nose and a tail for my sanity’s sake
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I don't really care but I cringe when Chris Roberts would say "Twin paddle"
Whats he paddling .. not a fan or twin tip either
I've never referred to the tail of a skateboard as a tip or a paddle
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It changed my skate life, I will not go back, but I also can't find the perfect stuff
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It changed my skate life, I will not go back, but I also can't find the perfect stuff
I’ve skated a lot of the REAL twin tail ishods and those were great but I’m into different shapes now
My dream is a 8.5 Quasi twin nose with 14.25 wheelbase
They just released an 8.25 so we’ll see if they have an 8.5 in the pipeline
My biggest gripe with them is tails are usually too small, too flat and the wheelbase on them is too long for me
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8”
14 or 14.1
6.6 kicks
Someone make it plz (crailtap)
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Ishod's twin tall is great I would keep it for my popsicle forever but it's not always in stock. I keep the trucks the same, it doesn't matter what side I jump on. Crob's is booboo had to change my trucks and pick a side.
I'd like to try a twin egg but I also don't want to
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I love the symmetry these boards started to be a thing right when I started riding my truck symmetrical I love that real talk though it's not that big of a deal for me to skate an asymetrical board I just like this symmetrical ones
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8”
14 or 14.1
6.6 kicks
Someone make it plz (crailtap)
Not exactly the numbers you are after but close, Quasi's new Justin Henry Mirror Twin is available in two sizes, the smaller one is a 8.125 with a 14.125 WB (https://quasiskateboards.com/collections/frontpage/products/henry-mirror-8-125), tails are in that 6.6 range too.
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It changed my skate life, I will not go back, but I also can't find the perfect stuff
This. I don't have a real switch game but it has made me not care about some tricks I tended to do off the nose and made me realize it doesn't matter....plus not worrying about which is way is what, while taking a bit to get used to, is really nice and more freeing than you think. Just one less thing to worry about.
I'd love an 8.25" squared off shape (a smaller suciu).
I don't really care but I cringe when Chris Roberts would say "Twin paddle"
Whats he paddling .. not a fan or twin tip either
I've never referred to the tail of a skateboard as a tip or a paddle
I think it's part of [so called] humor; he thinks it's funny because it stirs people up...like his trash I ride Thunders but I'm on Indy 'gag'...
Twin nose/tail, kicks or symmetrical is fine.
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It changed my skate life, I will not go back, but I also can't find the perfect stuff
I guess no poll is parfect either! :D
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Definitely prefer it for certain shapes like an egg for instance, but for popsicle boards I can't really be bothered.
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I absolutely love the 8.3 Bobby/ishod shape. The longer wb really works for me. I'm not great at switch so I guess I'm not really using it as intended, but I enjoy the feel of the slightly larger tail and slightly smaller nose, the whole thing feels great and I've never been as comfortable on anything else. I'll ride this shape till it goes away. Now I just need to vanquish my truck madness. (yea right)
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I absolutely love the 8.3 Bobby/ishod shape. The longer wb really works for me. I'm not great at switch so I guess I'm not really using it as intended, but I enjoy the feel of the slightly larger tail and slightly smaller nose, the whole thing feels great and I've never been as comfortable on anything else. I'll ride this shape till it goes away. Now I just need to vanquish my truck madness. (yea right)
That's always been one major draw for me, I hate big noses from an aesthetic pov, and have never found a need for them, moreso after riding symmetrical boards. Who honestly needs a 6.875-7" nose?
What does it truly accomplish? It doesn't improve my ollies in any way, a lower krook angle maybe? But my krooks are fine using a tail. Nose blunt tricks? Serious question.
As someone who used to do certain tricks off the nose (e.g., fakie bigs/fakie big heels, even pop shuvs, especially F/S) I
*thought* I needed to do them off the nose, but I don't anymore. Were they easier? I honestly don't remember, but I really like the idea of being able to come out fakie, pop one, and go about my biz as usual without thinking which way to setup my board for the next trick.
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symmetrical egg from heroin was my favorite board......ever
that being said its nice to take a break, i have a 8.5 krooked now that has been better to me than most boards as of late
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I absolutely love the 8.3 Bobby/ishod shape. The longer wb really works for me. I'm not great at switch so I guess I'm not really using it as intended, but I enjoy the feel of the slightly larger tail and slightly smaller nose, the whole thing feels great and I've never been as comfortable on anything else. I'll ride this shape till it goes away. Now I just need to vanquish my truck madness. (yea right)
That's always been one major draw for me, I hate big noses from an aesthetic pov, and have never found a need for them, moreso after riding symmetrical boards. Who honestly needs a 6.875-7" nose?
What does it truly accomplish? It doesn't improve my ollies in any way, a lower krook angle maybe? But my krooks are fine using a tail. Nose blunt tricks? Serious question.
As someone who used to do certain tricks off the nose (e.g., fakie bigs/fakie big heels, even pop shuvs, especially F/S) I
*thought* I needed to do them off the nose, but I don't anymore. Were they easier? I honestly don't remember, but I really like the idea of being able to come out fakie, pop one, and go about my biz as usual without thinking which way to setup my board for the next trick.
Totally agree. regardless of symmetry, I just feel like this is the appropriate size for nose and tails. I feel like i have to force all my flip tricks on Hockey/Quasi boards with those giant noses. And I enjoy the larger tail for tailslides, I'm not great at them but they seem easier on this deck.
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When I was younger before I had any switch tricks I thought it would be a great idea, but now that I'm older I've tried them and have noticed that it doesn't work as well for switch skating as skating off a slightly longer nose does. Maybe if I spent a good amount of time with one and let myself get used to it it would work better but considering how infrequently I skate twin tails I just ended up excluding skating switch with it. Also I'll instinctively regard one side of the board as the front and the other as the back even though they're technically interchangeable, perhaps it's because of the slight difference in truck tightness between the two sides. Although when I was poorer and couldn't afford buying new boards very often it would be nice because if I chipped or razortailed one end of the board I could just switch to the other side and get another few weeks to a month out of it.
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Long nose works better on nollie stuff, short nose works for switch…..thank god I’m bad at both….
More than anything twin board last longer because I can razor the nose and the tail, plus they are shove machines….
I wish the wheelbases on the DLX ones were smaller but ishod’s a big lanky insanely good skater so I can see why he doesn’t give a shit…..
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Twin tip and not me. Nose's gotta be longer than tail. And look like a nose.
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I am on my third consecutive Neen Twin Nose and will continue to ride twins if I find an 8.5 with a shallow concave.
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I am on my third consecutive Neen Twin Nose and will continue to ride twins if I find an 8.5 with a shallow concave.
If you can’t find the neen look to the foy, tho it is a bit smaller all around except for width.
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I am on my third consecutive Neen Twin Nose and will continue to ride twins if I find an 8.5 with a shallow concave.
If you can’t find the neen look to the foy, tho it is a bit smaller all around except for width.
I‘ll def. look out for it, thanks bruh.
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*just the tip*
It's something I'd fucking love to try, but there are too many other considerations I put before it. Shape (wide and long boards, like 9.15x33.6x14.75 phawt type shit), woodshop, and graphics (90% of which I loathe). If I could get twin tail on top of all that I definitely wood.
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Bought a Quasi twin tail (Justin Henry 8.375) and hated it. 3 sessions in and I went and bought a shop deck from my local. Not my cup of tea personally.
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Bought a Quasi twin tail (Justin Henry 8.375) and hated it. 3 sessions in and I went and bought a shop deck from my local. Not my cup of tea personally.
Was it the fact that it's a twin or was it something else? Curious as I'm eyeing this deck.
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Bought a Quasi twin tail (Justin Henry 8.375) and hated it. 3 sessions in and I went and bought a shop deck from my local. Not my cup of tea personally.
Was it the fact that it's a twin or was it something else? Curious as I'm eyeing this deck.
I'm a big fan of Quasi's 8.375 usually, I think it was really the fact that it's a twin. The board is 1/2 inch shorter than the usual 8.375 Quasi, so it felt pretty short for me. The concave and wheelbase was your typical Quasi though, if you're into twin tails I don't think you can go wrong.
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Yeah with a twin shape, the wheelbase is even more
of a factor because a traditional tail is shorter than a nose.
Really don’t mean this to be a plug but if anyone here curious to try a twin shape that’s never tried one, shoot us a DM on IG. Want to contribute to this community in some way. We can offer a generous discount
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I didn't expect so many votes, that's cool!
I think I'll push a new poll. Maybe something about twin nose/tail/hybrid preference.
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I had an ishod twin and did not like it. I always thought that I would love a twin, but I hated that deck.
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I had an ishod twin and did not like it. I always thought that I would love a twin, but I hated that deck.
Just out of curiosity, what made the board unenjoyable?
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I had an ishod twin and did not like it. I always thought that I would love a twin, but I hated that deck.
Just out of curiosity, what made you the board unenjoyable?
it felt short and stubby. looking it up. It was the "just peachy" 8.3 Length (in): 31.9 Wheelbase (in): 14.4. Given that my current WB is 14.25 on an 8.25 It probably that slight shorter nose/tail that resulted in stubby feeling.
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I had an ishod twin and did not like it. I always thought that I would love a twin, but I hated that deck.
Just out of curiosity, what made the board unenjoyable?
I've had 3 DLX 8.3 twin tails, one slick, here were my issues:
Slick was heavy (but all slicks are not just DLX boards)
Wheelbase / overall length felt too long for as short as the kicks are and this where I disagree with there dimensions:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=105756.msg3561391#msg3561391
I don't feel they scale well....like a lot of DLX shapes...you know, those 8.06 or 8.18 boards @ 32" with 14.3" WB; they're better overall now with recent tweaks (mids) but the TT seem locked to a specific dim design. Much like Chocolate, you can get them but only if you want a 14" WB.
Deathwish is much better with traditional board dims with their TT, and they sizes scale now (the first 8.125 was a 14.5" WB ffs) as they are the only ones offering a 'traditional' 8.25 in terms of WB and average length (31.5 to 31.75 now).
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I have the ishod 8.3, at first it felt as long as the tails were short. Wore it with ventures highs and 55 f4s, didn't really like it, took if off and keep it as a backup on trips.
I recently broke a lot of boards so I had to use it, this time with 44 aces and f4s worn around 51mm. Besides being a shuvit machine, flips feel great and the slick helps a lot with slides. Would buy another one but seeing the 8.5 made me curious, has anyone tried both of them?
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I have the ishod 8.3, at first it felt as long as the tails were short. Wore it with ventures highs and 55 f4s, didn't really like it, took if off and keep it as a backup on trips.
I recently broke a lot of boards so I had to use it, this time with 44 aces and f4s worn around 51mm. Besides being a shuvit machine, flips feel great and the slick helps a lot with slides. Would buy another one but seeing the 8.5 made me curious, has anyone tried both of them?
I’ve had both. Couldn’t get along with the 8.3”. Tried it with various trucks and wheels and it somehow felt too small but then again not. It felt kinda abrupt and tippy if that makes any sense. Stashed it away and I’m planning on testing it out again this summer and leaving it at a park if I don’t like it. The 8.5” I had shortly after the 8.3” and I absolutely loved it. One of the best decks I’ve skated. The tails feel rather full and comfortable. The size seems just right for me. Everything just worked for me on that deck. Ran it with Ace 44 classics and 54mm wheels. Back then my go to was 8.38” with 14.5” wheelbase, Ace 44 classics and 54mm wheels so this was very close to that but felt even better. I still have one in my stack of new boards but have since strayed all over the place with decks. Some working beautifully for me and some not at all. I keep wondering if I should have just tried to stay with the 8.5” twin tail as it was so good to me.
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I really hope twin tails stay in regular production because I really like them and have always wished there were lots of them on the market. I don't even skate switch much except for really basic flatground tricks, but I skate my trucks the exact same tightness, and with asymmetrical boards, the back truck would always get looser than the front, which I was not a fan of. With twins, I don't have to worry about rotating my trucks now, and the same goes for wheels, which makes setup way faster.
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Last poll result (first post updated) :
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NEW POLL! :)
What kind of twin shape are you interested in?
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Like the Ishod 8.3, but would love it If the kicks were more full. It’s a bit tapered.
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Square-ish Twin hybrid (AWS style)
Something right between an 8.25 <-> 8.3
Dims:
8.28"
31.88"
14.30" WB
6.65" kicks
Measuring with concave would be around 32.6"?
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Square-ish Twin hybrid (AWS style)
Something right between an 8.25 <-> 8.3
Dims:
8.28"
31.88"
14.30" WB
6.65" kicks
Measuring with concave would be around 32.6"?
It looks like your letter for Snata Claus. :D
What about concave and steepness?
Not sure I can feel the difference between 8.25 ans 8.3!
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Square-ish Twin hybrid (AWS style)
Something right between an 8.25 <-> 8.3
Dims:
8.28"
31.88"
14.30" WB
6.65" kicks
Measuring with concave would be around 32.6"?
It looks like your letter for Snata Claus. :D
What about concave and steepness?
Not sure I can feel the difference between 8.25 ans 8.3!
Medium kicks and concave!
I can tell the difference between 8.25 and 8.3 for sure..I've got a SC 8.28" and it's great (just short wb) it feels full like an 8.3 but a little less skinny than an 8.25". 8.375s really just feel like 8.5s to me depending on nose taper, it's why I like the DLX twin (and old Lrukvilles) as they are tru 8.3"...
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Which brand has twin tail 8" with 14" WB??
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Double nose is that a double hybrid? I voted that way just to cover my base’s. I’d fuck with a double nose.
It might fuck with me at first
I skate goofy and switch primary on the tail. I skate fakie on the nose usually now just to keep board wear as even as possible . Nollie I’m caught lacking. I got nollie 80 both ways that’s it. Nollie 360 I got but that trick is done kook shit imo. If you can cab why bother helipop (puke) Maybe a nollie back heel in 20 try’s m. Nollie is my weakness in life.
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Jereme Rogers switch concave
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Which brand has twin tail 8" with 14" WB??
Not to my knowledge, but this one seems pretty close to what you're looking for :
https://www.paradeworld.com/uk/products/quasi-henry-mirror-twin-tail-skateboard-deck-8125-1-7681484095744/
Quasi Henry Mirror Twin Tail Skateboard Deck - 8.125"
Width - 8.125"
Length - 31.75"
WB - 14.125"
You could maybe ask the question on this thread : https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=105756.msg3781818#new
Double nose is that a double hybrid? I voted that way just to cover my base’s. I’d fuck with a double nose.
To make it simple, depending of the lenght of the tips I'd say :
~ 6.5" and less -> twin tail
~ 6.5" to ~ 7.0" -> twin hybrid
~ 7.0" and more -> twin nose
That being said, note that kick lenghts tend to vary a bit with board width, and I don't speak about steepness, tip shape or 'fingers of flat' which can make the kick feels different person to person, so take this with a grain of salt!
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I thought twin tails were far ahead, but it seems there is much more love for hybrids than I assumed. I was probably biased by Ishod's popularity.
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To make it simple, depending of the lenght of the tips I'd say :
~ 6.5" and less -> twin tail
~ 6.5" to ~ 7.0" -> twin hybrid
~ 7.0" and more -> twin nose
Well then basically everything is a hybrid.
The 6.6 kicks on the 8.3 ishod twin definitely feel like tails for me. Still struggling to get my nollie flips on it after skating a normal 7" nose for a while.
I'd personally only consider 6.7-6.9 hybrid territory.
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To make it simple, depending of the lenght of the tips I'd say :
~ 6.5" and less -> twin tail
~ 6.5" to ~ 7.0" -> twin hybrid
~ 7.0" and more -> twin nose
Well then basically everything is a hybrid.
The 6.6 kicks on the 8.3 ishod twin definitely feel like tails for me. Still struggling to get my nollie flips on it after skating a normal 7" nose for a while.
I'd personally only consider 6.7-6.9 hybrid territory.
:D
That being said, note that kick lenghts tend to vary a bit with board width, and I don't speak about steepness, tip shape or 'fingers of flat' which can make the kick feels different person to person, so take this with a grain of salt!
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Last poll result (first post updated) :
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New poll : How do you see the twin tip deck market in 5 to 10 years?
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I could see more board companies that don't already have a twin tip shape in production putting them out alongside their asymmetrical popsicle!
Twin shapes like any other shape that differs from the norm aren't for everyone, but it's nice to see that even over the past couple years more companies have been introducing twin shapes into their lines.
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I really don't think it's a fashion. In my opinion the fact that so bankable names like Ishod and Suciu skate twin shapes plays a huge role in the current developpement, and if more and more big names come in the twin train, I won't be surprised to see this market overcome and surpass the traditional assymmetrical one in not so many years.
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Did a little google search trends data pull to see how things are trending. Thought it was interesting
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And obviously we love a twin tail shape, although I am personally fine reverting back to a normal popsicle as well. One of the main reasons we started is because we want to offer this shape at all times in all sizes (more sizes are on the way)
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I always thought it was proprietary or more expensive to make, hence only certain brands did it with BBS as least….
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I always thought it was proprietary or more expensive to make, hence only certain brands did it with BBS as least….
It is more expensive to make because it generally hurts the workflow / production of manufacturers. They prefer working with the templatized shapes since it is a much more streamlined process
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Did a little google search trends data pull to see how things are trending. Thought it was interesting
(https://i.imgur.com/ErOOrP9.png)
And obviously we love a twin tail shape, although I am personally fine reverting back to a normal popsicle as well. One of the main reasons we started is because we want to offer this shape at all times in all sizes (more sizes are on the way)
Such a good idea! It clearly shows the increasing interest by the last few years.
I always thought it was proprietary or more expensive to make, hence only certain brands did it with BBS as least….
I guess if the woodshop already has a mold with the same radius and angle for both tip and a standard concave design, it's just one more shape. Unless it has to make some new molds, I don't see why it would be more expensive to produce.
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It is more expensive to make because it generally hurts the workflow / production of manufacturers. They prefer working with the templatized shapes since it is a much more streamlined process
I'm not sure to understand. Could you please tell a bit more about that?
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to a smaller degree, It's like ordering a quesorito at chipotle haha
https://www.mashed.com/649777/how-chipotle-employees-really-feel-when-you-order-a-quesarito/
Working with a manufacturer shapes is much easier because its streamlined and one step removed from manufacturing
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I think they're here to stay as long as some pros ride them, realistically the only reason there are so many now is because of ishod (and bobby), other companies wanted a piece of that [twin] tail.
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to a smaller degree, It's like ordering a quesorito at chipotle haha
https://www.mashed.com/649777/how-chipotle-employees-really-feel-when-you-order-a-quesarito/
Working with a manufacturer shapes is much easier because its streamlined and one step removed from manufacturing
Yeah, because it's not in the standard manufacturer's shape choice and they have to make a small CNC program for your batch, but it would be the same for any custom shape, isn't it? Apart from that, I don't see how the manufacturing process can be different for a twin or a traditional batch, unless I missed something?
P.s: your post makes me want to taste this Quesarito! :D
I think they're here to stay as long as some pros ride them, realistically the only reason there are so many now is because of ishod (and bobby), other companies wanted a piece of that [twin] tail.
I don't think the compagnies make more money because Ishod's or Foy's models are twin things. In fact I think they do less money because skaters are not used to skate this kind of stuff.
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to a smaller degree, It's like ordering a quesorito at chipotle haha
https://www.mashed.com/649777/how-chipotle-employees-really-feel-when-you-order-a-quesarito/
Working with a manufacturer shapes is much easier because its streamlined and one step removed from manufacturing
P.s: your post makes me want to taste this Quesarito! :D
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I think they're here to stay as long as some pros ride them, realistically the only reason there are so many now is because of ishod (and bobby), other companies wanted a piece of that [twin] tail.
That wasn't my point.
Ishod rides a twin because he likes them, that's his pro model of choice (same for worrest and presumably Foy); the companies rolled them out for the masses and it obviously stuck/caught or they wouldn't keep mass marketing them and just make them for the pros. Foy's 'custom' big boy foy shape he rode was a SW exclusive for a while..Nigels Disorder board is his propriety shape.
Other companies saw a market and followed suit because they had team riders asking for them. Could it be a fad? Possibly...it has happened before about 7 years ago when creature/mystery/plan b were doing them on the regular.
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I remember searching high and low to find more of the Creature EVIL/LIVE decks for a couple of guys who loved them, but they were gone almost as soon as they were released, or so it seemed.
There is definitely a whole lot more interest nowdays than there was back then, so it is good there are options with them.
What I would be curious about is if they started doing all the molds in twin kicks, then cutting them as needed, compared to almost everyone doing a very definite front kick and tail kick, as per pretty much all decks I can stand on and feel which kick is which without looking or working out which one is longer / shorter.
Over the years I have had two DLX boards that were cut and printed upside down and those things were so weird to stand on and skate for me. I gave the first one away the same day I set it up and then kept the second one, virtually unskated for a long time, then passed it on to someone else who rode boards backwards anyway - he said it was the best board he ever had too - but that is just one of those things.
Everyone has their own preferences.
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I remember searching high and low to find more of the Creature EVIL/LIVE decks for a couple of guys who loved them, but they were gone almost as soon as they were released, or so it seemed.
There is definitely a whole lot more interest nowdays than there was back then, so it is good there are options with them.
What I would be curious about is if they started doing all the molds in twin kicks, then cutting them as needed, compared to almost everyone doing a very definite front kick and tail kick, as per pretty much all decks I can stand on and feel which kick is which without looking or working out which one is longer / shorter.
Over the years I have had two DLX boards that were cut and printed upside down and those things were so weird to stand on and skate for me. I gave the first one away the same day I set it up and then kept the second one, virtually unskated for a long time, then passed it on to someone else who rode boards backwards anyway - he said it was the best board he ever had too - but that is just one of those things.
Everyone has their own preferences.
those Creature EVIL/LIVE graphics were so cool
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The EvilivE series was great, rode a few of the 8.25x14.353WB). I wish they'd do a run as their wood is so crispy.