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I've got the testers and I gotta say, only one sesh in (lengthy tho) and either I got a defective set or I'm liking them less than Dragons.
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I've got the testers and I gotta say, only one sesh in (lengthy tho) and either I got a defective set or I'm liking them less than Dragons.
In terms of what?
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.5700
Posted some thoughts about them here a while ago ^
I think the speed + softer landing is definitely true.
They're basically a harder feeling dragon but still feel much softer than a f4. Still have similar drag issues to dragons on many grinds n slides, and pitch you harder if you wheelbite.
Keeping mine around as there's definitely use cases for them, but I'm back on f4s again most of the time. These are really nice to ride, handle shitty ground very well and do absorb more vibration so I think I feel a little less sore after a long session.
But as long as I'm not super toasted or skating really shitty ground, I just do all my curb/rail/ledge tricks better/longer/more consistent on hard wheels. Plus hard wheels just feel better as long as the ground is okay.
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What he said but oddly the powerslides and reverts are stickier for me than Dragons, which is really weird. Hoping that maybe some wears off the top of the wheels more and that is a bit smoother.
I was going to use them for my street in front of my house and for a few asphalt slappy spots. I net about 1 less push per trick on them, but that is made up for less total grinding/sliding. I made sure to wax the sides and top of the curb and skated my normal wheels so I could see where the wheels slide. Before putting the 97's on I re-waxed those spots. And just did the same tricks. Definitely found the same issues I had with Dragons BUT I liked the way Dragon's reverted when skating them flat. Mine are still prototypes that I bought from a local shop so there is the off chance something could be weird so I am going to keep using them and hope they wear in a bit.
Lots of shops have prototypes that you have to ask for and they will sell you.
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Lots of shops have prototypes that you have to ask for and they will sell you.
I had no idea this was a thing. Sounds like these are just worse dragons though… hmm
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I will be picking up a set for sure. Got to say this is the cleanest/most modern marketing that bones has done and I’m surprised that it doesn’t have stf anywhere on it.
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I will be picking up a set for sure. Got to say this is the cleanest/most modern marketing that bones has done and I’m surprised that it doesn’t have stf anywhere on it.
yeah i was surprised at the promo images posted being so straight forward. straight to the point, of course we'll see if these get the same social media treatment the dragons did
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Kinda smells a bit like Ricta….
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These feel a lot different than Dragons, 93a to a 97a is a huge difference. I've ridden both and am currently riding the X formula. They feel similar to the 97a Spits. They slide better and feel nice on rougher spots. Not as cruiser smooth as the Dragons but, much smoother than 99s/101s. Powell/Bones is killing it and I hope they continue to "experiment" with duros and shapes. I'd like to see them offer more shapes. Conical Full Bones would be sick.
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I must have a bunk set cuz 97 Spits slide better and don't have that dead sound. The v5 side cut shape is pretty nice though. If they don't wear in in a few sessions I'll keep the Dragons and sell these.
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How are you guys able to test of the wheels before they're out? Would love to try them.
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If you're not a kook and ask a shop they usually have 5-10 sets below the counter to sell to customers.
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If anyone has some they don't want or can get a pair, I'll cover costs.
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Give it a week or 3-4 more sessions and I might be selling mine.
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aren’t there 95a ones coming out too?
They've gone quiet on the 95s
If I had to guess, especially after reading the posts from riders on both 93 and 97s, the 95s would be redundant/not offering anything different enough for anyone to tell the difference...almost like they should have just released the 95 as stand alone.
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I will say that the 93 to 97 gap seems way less than 97 to 101 F4. My guess is that as soon as these drop the sales on Dragons will drop because no one wants to admit to riding a Powell wheel.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula
52mm V5, 54mm V5, 54mm V6, 56mm V6.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula
52mm V5, 54mm V5, 54mm V6, 56mm V6.
Weird choice of shapes, thought they would do the 97a in V1 and the 93a in V5 / V6
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Can anyone confirm that they wont be released until spring? Seems odd to have them on the Skateone site already
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Can anyone confirm that they wont be released until spring? Seems odd to have them on the Skateone site already
SkateOne has them as Holiday 2022:
https://www.skateone.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=X97+Holiday+2022#:~:text=X97%20Holiday%202022%27-,Search%20results%20for%3A%20%27X97%20Holiday%202022,-%27
So maybe sooner than expected. People seem to like them enough to not be selling/trading...
I'm still on the 93a Dragons. Aside from smooth Plaza or Park, I don't feel the need for any other wheel....can't wait for the 97a.
@rocklobster yeah, weird shape choices...thankfully I love the V5 for an all purpose wheel, but no V1? Seriously? that'd be like Spit making a new wheel and not using the classic mold.
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Does somebody know how these and dragons handle wet ground? Since they rely on vibrations to slide, wet ground shouldn't really change the slide all that much.
Regular 97a wheels probably slide on wet ground anyway, but 93s might not.
Winter wheel?
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Does somebody know how these and dragons handle wet ground? Since they rely on vibrations to slide, wet ground shouldn't really change the slide all that much.
Regular 97a wheels probably slide on wet ground anyway, but 93s might not.
Winter wheel?
Tried them several times on wet asphalt. Very slippery as soon as they start sliding. They are just like any other bones / powell wheel under 101a. No honest wheels
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I just got a set this week.
I've only skated with them once. So far, I'm amazed how smooth everything feels while rolling around. They almost felt like cruiser wheels, but they also still slid.
I need to get to used to them as they feel completely different than the STF that I've been skating for the past 20 years.
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This spring I've tried Dragons, X97's and 99a Formula Fours.
The X97's are pretty impressive actually, and are A LOT smoother than F4's on rough ground while still feeling like a hard wheel. I don't find F4's enjoyable to cruise on, but I've used the X97's to take the dog for a walk a few times and they were pretty good. They roll way faster than spits on asphalt. They're actually almost as good as the Dragons on crust, but don't feel as rubbery and slow in a smooth park. Biggest downside to Dragons is how slow and rubbery they feel in transition and smooth park. Mind you there was a guy at my local the other day absolutely killing it on Dragons, so yeah...
I still like F4's better for skatepark, and they just sound and feel like skateboarding to me, but the X97's are damn good. If all your spots are crusty but you still want a "hard" wheel, absolutely recommend trying them. They're a bit more rubbery feeling than spits but nothing like Dragons. Between the three, they sound more like F4's but absorb crust more like Dragons.
Only weird thing is that Dragons actually slide better, both on smooth concrete and asphalt. They still have a good slide, just thought that was odd.
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This spring I've tried Dragons, X97's and 99a Formula Fours.
The X97's are pretty impressive actually, and are A LOT smoother than F4's on rough ground while still feeling like a hard wheel. I don't find F4's enjoyable to cruise on, but I've used the X97's to take the dog for a walk a few times and they were pretty good. They roll way faster than spits on asphalt. They're actually almost as good as the Dragons on crust, but don't feel as rubbery and slow in a smooth park. Biggest downside to Dragons is how slow and rubbery they feel in transition and smooth park. Mind you there was a guy at my local the other day absolutely killing it on Dragons, so yeah...
I still like F4's better for skatepark, and they just sound and feel like skateboarding to me, but the X97's are damn good. If all your spots are crusty but you still want a "hard" wheel, absolutely recommend trying them. They're a bit more rubbery feeling than spits but nothing like Dragons. Between the three, they sound more like F4's but absorb crust more like Dragons.
Only weird thing is that Dragons actually slide better, both on smooth concrete and asphalt. They still have a good slide, just thought that was odd.
Have you tested the 97A Formula Fours? Those are awesome hard wheels for rough ground spots IMO. Best all around wheels for skating in Finland that I have tried. They slide really well too. I’d be interested in a comparison between those and the Bones X- formula 97A.
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This spring I've tried Dragons, X97's and 99a Formula Fours.
The X97's are pretty impressive actually, and are A LOT smoother than F4's on rough ground while still feeling like a hard wheel. I don't find F4's enjoyable to cruise on, but I've used the X97's to take the dog for a walk a few times and they were pretty good. They roll way faster than spits on asphalt. They're actually almost as good as the Dragons on crust, but don't feel as rubbery and slow in a smooth park. Biggest downside to Dragons is how slow and rubbery they feel in transition and smooth park. Mind you there was a guy at my local the other day absolutely killing it on Dragons, so yeah...
I still like F4's better for skatepark, and they just sound and feel like skateboarding to me, but the X97's are damn good. If all your spots are crusty but you still want a "hard" wheel, absolutely recommend trying them. They're a bit more rubbery feeling than spits but nothing like Dragons. Between the three, they sound more like F4's but absorb crust more like Dragons.
Only weird thing is that Dragons actually slide better, both on smooth concrete and asphalt. They still have a good slide, just thought that was odd.
Have you tested the 97A Formula Fours? Those are awesome hard wheels for rough ground spots IMO. Best all around wheels for skating in Finland that I have tried. They slide really well too. I’d be interested in a comparison between those and the Bones X- formula 97A.
I’ve tried both, and for me, the XF are completely superior to the Spit F4 97a.
The 97a spits feel pretty average. Slightly softer, with a bit of that gummy stickiness. Like a regular 97a. They absorb vibration ok, but feel a bit ‘damp’. The slide is ok, but you need to work a bit more for it than a harder wheel.
The XF feel ‘lively’ (some say ‘bouncy’). They absorb rough terrain, but don’t have that same slight mush, and grip.
They feel a bit faster and slide great on rougher surfaces. There are NOT park wheels. They grip more (more than the Spits) on very smooth surfaces, but on rougher ground they slide pretty much like a normal wheel.
Most of the parks where I am are older and rougher, and the XFs are ideal. I consistently enjoy them more than the Spits.
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I did my first sesh today with my new 52 V1 x97s.
They're softer feeling than I expected and are quite bouncy. Fairly different wheel than 99a F4 classics of the same size I was running before. Being so soft, I feel like I have permission to be less tense in my legs and trunk. So my posture is better when there's non-perfect ground and cracks, ie 90% of what I skate. On that alone I'm happy with them.
Very quick to gain speed pumping up and down any transition.
If I'm too heavy on the back foot popping and leaning back, the board can roll ahead and jump forwards from under me when I snap, which didn't seem to happen on 99 F4's.
It's a little slower with 50-50s/5-0/nosegrinds when the inside of the wheel rubs on less waxed metal. Very waxed metal is fine. Crooks didn't seem any stickier anywhere on the other hand.
Little shuffling movements were stickier, but full-on powerslides all went just as well once I dug in my heels and insisted.
I'm having some trouble with getting into all the ollie-manuals but holding manuals in all positions is not a problem, but this may be more to do with 3 weeks off the board.
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No idea about these wheels but I hope some company comes out with a proper F4 alternative. I love them and I know inflation blah blah blah but paying more than 70 Euros for a set of wheels is just ridicolous.
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No idea about these wheels but I hope some company comes out with a proper F4 alternative. I love them and I know inflation blah blah blah but paying more than 70 Euros for a set of wheels is just ridicolous.
Where exactly do you pay more than 70 eur for a set of wheels?
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No idea about these wheels but I hope some company comes out with a proper F4 alternative. I love them and I know inflation blah blah blah but paying more than 70 Euros for a set of wheels is just ridicolous.
Where exactly do you pay more than 70 eur for a set of wheels?
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They’re just about 70€ + shipping. Which is insane.
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Does somebody know how these and dragons handle wet ground? Since they rely on vibrations to slide, wet ground shouldn't really change the slide all that much.
Regular 97a wheels probably slide on wet ground anyway, but 93s might not.
Winter wheel?
I almost got runned over day one on 93a dragons because of dew covered blacktop at the bottom turn out of bombing a hill.
I was sliding backside through the entire turn. Then a family of yuppies cut me off and stopped in the intersection.
I started yelling at the Yuppies as I was bearing down on tham at 25 plus.
I had no idea that dragons don't work in the rain. I always bones v2 in the rain.
But yeah look out you.
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Does somebody know how these and dragons handle wet ground? Since they rely on vibrations to slide, wet ground shouldn't really change the slide all that much.
Regular 97a wheels probably slide on wet ground anyway, but 93s might not.
Winter wheel?
I almost got runned over day one on 93a dragons because of dew covered blacktop at the bottom turn out of bombing a hill.
I was sliding backside through the entire turn. Then a family of yuppies cut me off and stopped in the intersection.
I started yelling at the Yuppies as I was bearing down on tham at 25 plus.
I had no idea that dragons don't work in the rain. I always bones v2 in the rain.
But yeah look out you.
Thanks man, I'm glad you're fine.
What are the best wet ground wheels that are kinda skateable?
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strangely yuppies are one of the biggest demographics of the dragon wheel market......
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strangely yuppies are one of the biggest demographics of the dragon wheel market......
I've seen mostly old guys on 'em?
I drank the old guy Kool aid too, but back on F4's now.
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strangely yuppies are one of the biggest demographics of the dragon wheel market......
I've seen mostly old guys on 'em?
I drank the old guy Kool aid too, but back on F4's now.
That’s because the guys that manages to get their shit together by their late twenties are considered yuppies per definition by having a job.
Everyone falls into two categories when 30+:
1: fucking yuppies. Has job, wife, kids, minivan/station car, etc.
2: “core skater”. Has white guy dreads and eclectic taste in music, weed prescription for his cataract, and is the best at gatekeeping a toy that has a cult following.
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strangely yuppies are one of the biggest demographics of the dragon wheel market......
I've seen mostly old guys on 'em?
I drank the old guy Kool aid too, but back on F4's now.
That’s because the guys that manages to get their shit together by their late twenties are considered yuppies per definition by having a job.
Everyone falls into two categories when 30+:
1: fucking yuppies. Has job, wife, kids, minivan/station car, etc.
2: “core skater”. Has white guy dreads and eclectic taste in music, weed prescription for his cataract, and is the best at gatekeeping a toy that has a cult following.
3: the weird 30+ guy who skates Bones/ Powell wheels
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strangely yuppies are one of the biggest demographics of the dragon wheel market......
I've seen mostly old guys on 'em?
I drank the old guy Kool aid too, but back on F4's now.
That’s because the guys that manages to get their shit together by their late twenties are considered yuppies per definition by having a job.
Everyone falls into two categories when 30+:
1: fucking yuppies. Has job, wife, kids, minivan/station car, etc.
2: “core skater”. Has white guy dreads and eclectic taste in music, weed prescription for his cataract, and is the best at gatekeeping a toy that has a cult following.
I've always considered yuppies to be well off childless people in their 20's (Young Urban Professionals) though I fall squarely into your first category and will defend my mini van to the death. I love my family truckster.
Anyway, veering off topic, so far I've seen two dudes who genuinely rip on Dragons, the rest were full Powell Andy Anderson deck types.
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strangely yuppies are one of the biggest demographics of the dragon wheel market......
I've seen mostly old guys on 'em?
I drank the old guy Kool aid too, but back on F4's now.
That’s because the guys that manages to get their shit together by their late twenties are considered yuppies per definition by having a job.
Everyone falls into two categories when 30+:
1: fucking yuppies. Has job, wife, kids, minivan/station car, etc.
2: “core skater”. Has white guy dreads and eclectic taste in music, weed prescription for his cataract, and is the best at gatekeeping a toy that has a cult following.
3: the weird 30+ guy who skates Bones/ Powell wheels
I’m in category 1 and 3, so I guess there’s bound to be some crossover. F4 99a slide too much one the ramps I skate 99% of the time. Everyone else’s 99a’s doesn’t, so there’s that. The F4 99a skates like everyone else’s 101a’s. They’re too damn hard for their durometer.
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strangely yuppies are one of the biggest demographics of the dragon wheel market......
I've seen mostly old guys on 'em?
I drank the old guy Kool aid too, but back on F4's now.
That’s because the guys that manages to get their shit together by their late twenties are considered yuppies per definition by having a job.
Everyone falls into two categories when 30+:
1: fucking yuppies. Has job, wife, kids, minivan/station car, etc.
2: “core skater”. Has white guy dreads and eclectic taste in music, weed prescription for his cataract, and is the best at gatekeeping a toy that has a cult following.
I've always considered yuppies to be well off childless people in their 20's (Young Urban Professionals) though I fall squarely into your first category and will defend my mini van to the death. I love my family truckster.
Anyway, veering off topic, so far I've seen two dudes who genuinely rip on Dragons, the rest were full Powell Andy Anderson deck types.
Aah, man. English is like my 3rd language so the abbreviation has always eluded me. Yeah man, fuck the yuppies. I’m not one anyways.
I’ve a Skoda stationcar and it goes too well with a couple child seats in it. Still room for strollers, shopping bags, windshield wiper fluid, and a couple boards in the boot. Where I’m from, it is all teachers drive. Not too flashy, but still not quite French.
Yeah, category 4 I forgot about.
They’re called: “wispy beard incels”.
Nah I’m just kidding. Bullying is stupid and so is categorising people into boxes.
My original comments was directed at someone who were saying wacky shit.
I don’t know man, sleep deprivation will make a man do weird shit.
If you don’t want to discuss Bones/Powell wheels, why even be here posting?
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strangely yuppies are one of the biggest demographics of the dragon wheel market......
I've seen mostly old guys on 'em?
I drank the old guy Kool aid too, but back on F4's now.
That’s because the guys that manages to get their shit together by their late twenties are considered yuppies per definition by having a job.
Everyone falls into two categories when 30+:
1: fucking yuppies. Has job, wife, kids, minivan/station car, etc.
2: “core skater”. Has white guy dreads and eclectic taste in music, weed prescription for his cataract, and is the best at gatekeeping a toy that has a cult following.
3: the weird 30+ guy who skates Bones/ Powell wheels
I’m in category 1 and 3, so I guess there’s bound to be some crossover. F4 99a slide too much one the ramps I skate 99% of the time. Everyone else’s 99a’s doesn’t, so there’s that. The F4 99a skates like everyone else’s 101a’s. They’re too damn hard for their durometer.
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strangely yuppies are one of the biggest demographics of the dragon wheel market......
I've seen mostly old guys on 'em?
I drank the old guy Kool aid too, but back on F4's now.
That’s because the guys that manages to get their shit together by their late twenties are considered yuppies per definition by having a job.
Everyone falls into two categories when 30+:
1: fucking yuppies. Has job, wife, kids, minivan/station car, etc.
2: “core skater”. Has white guy dreads and eclectic taste in music, weed prescription for his cataract, and is the best at gatekeeping a toy that has a cult following.
I've always considered yuppies to be well off childless people in their 20's (Young Urban Professionals) though I fall squarely into your first category and will defend my mini van to the death. I love my family truckster.
Anyway, veering off topic, so far I've seen two dudes who genuinely rip on Dragons, the rest were full Powell Andy Anderson deck types.
I’ve a Skoda stationcar and it goes too well with a couple child seats in it. Still room for strollers, shopping bags, windshield wiper fluid, and a couple boards in the boot. Where I’m from, it is all teachers drive. Not too flashy, but still not quite French.
Yeah, category 4 I forgot about.
They’re called: “wispy beard incels”.
Nah I’m just kidding. Bullying is stupid and so is categorising people into boxes.
My original comments was directed at someone who were saying wacky shit.
I don’t know man, sleep deprivation will make a man do weird shit.
If you don’t want to discuss Bones/Powell wheels, why even be here posting?
Hahaha, yeah, "wispy beard incels", I call 'em neckbeards. You have them over there too eh?
Communication via text is tricky, especially with language differences, I meant that the yuppie stuff was getting off topic, back to wheels. All good my man, no disrespect implied or intended.
One thing I do really like with Powell/Bones are the shapes. While I really like my conical full spits, I really dig the Bones V6 shape. Almost like a radial/conical hybrid. Radial shapes were my jam in the late 90's.
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Yeah I was just envisioning some upwardly mobile dad saying ‘watch where you’re going’.’
‘Man…You almost killed me….’
‘Sorry….so how are you liking those dragons?’
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I want X97 in V1 shape… without the gold Dawg Chain graphics.
I too am also a 41 year old with three kids and have a minivan. And skate the bones because it maybe possibly saves my knees and back by 10% more than STF/SPFs and even the 99a F4’s
100% more stoke, brah.
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Yeah I was just envisioning some upwardly mobile dad saying ‘watch where you’re going’.’
‘Man…You almost killed me….’
‘Sorry….so how are you liking those dragons?’
Comedy gold. It's funny because it's true \_(ツ)_/¯
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Does somebody know how these and dragons handle wet ground? Since they rely on vibrations to slide, wet ground shouldn't really change the slide all that much.
Regular 97a wheels probably slide on wet ground anyway, but 93s might not.
Winter wheel?
I almost got runned over day one on 93a dragons because of dew covered blacktop at the bottom turn out of bombing a hill.
I was sliding backside through the entire turn. Then a family of yuppies cut me off and stopped in the intersection.
I started yelling at the Yuppies as I was bearing down on tham at 25 plus.
I had no idea that dragons don't work in the rain. I always bones v2 in the rain.
But yeah look out you.
What are the best wet ground wheels that are kinda skateable?
These right here. Would be sick in the wet.
(https://i.ibb.co/Nr0MDTM/IMG-20230607-223925.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9hx7KZ7)
(https://i.ibb.co/rcxW0qG/IMG-20230607-222118.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YycrQJ7)
(https://i.ibb.co/qs6jLP0/IMG-20230607-222112.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pzqw69W)
Og 80s Powell formula is all thats needed.
The dragons can't touch this wheel. I just set them up for the night. Got me thinking. Is it like illegal to make the old formulas or something?
These shits slide and bark nice and loud too Rolls over anything.
I highly recommend
Probably get some in 97a on ebay? 97a was the hardest they made back then I think. That would be the best. I'd look for the freestyle bones. Those are the best ones.
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Does somebody know how these and dragons handle wet ground? Since they rely on vibrations to slide, wet ground shouldn't really change the slide all that much.
Regular 97a wheels probably slide on wet ground anyway, but 93s might not.
Winter wheel?
I almost got runned over day one on 93a dragons because of dew covered blacktop at the bottom turn out of bombing a hill.
I was sliding backside through the entire turn. Then a family of yuppies cut me off and stopped in the intersection.
I started yelling at the Yuppies as I was bearing down on tham at 25 plus.
I had no idea that dragons don't work in the rain. I always bones v2 in the rain.
But yeah look out you.
What are the best wet ground wheels that are kinda skateable?
These right here. Would be sick in the wet.
Og 80s Powell formula is all thats needed.
The dragons can't touch this wheel. I just set them up for the night. Got me thinking. Is it like illegal to make the old formulas or something?
These shits slide and bark nice and loud too Rolls over anything.
I highly recommend
Probably get some in 97a on ebay? 97a was the hardest they made back then I think. That would be the best. I'd look for the freestyle bones. Those are the best ones.
On the topic of old wheels, most urethane cures and hardens over time, but the good compounds really take off in terms of how they skate 20 to 30 years on from when they first came out.
That is one of the take aways from Bones / Powell in that they have made exceptionally good products over the years (with some hiccups along the way, I know) and those older formula wheels that were a little softer really do skate so well nowdays, as they firm up a bit and end up feeling like grippy versions of current duro wheels, even though they were 90, 93, 95, 97 duro when poured.
As to the new Dragons and also the X Formula wheels, I won't be buying them for myself any time soon but I have tried other setups with them on and they sure do skate well for their intended purpose, either slippery ramps or new finished skateparks, as well as being fun to roll around on roads and rougher surfaces too.
Quite a few people I know have the Dragons on and most of them don't want to go back to normal 99 or 101 duro wheels.
Got to ride the X Formula 56 mm V6 wide ones the other day and they are just what I would want in size, shape, width, etc for a bowl board skating new slippery parks.
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Do the new almost white x formula wheels feel the same as the first edition brown ones?
I do not trust bones when they change their wheel color. Please not again...
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Does somebody know how these and dragons handle wet ground? Since they rely on vibrations to slide, wet ground shouldn't really change the slide all that much.
Regular 97a wheels probably slide on wet ground anyway, but 93s might not.
Winter wheel?
I almost got runned over day one on 93a dragons because of dew covered blacktop at the bottom turn out of bombing a hill.
I was sliding backside through the entire turn. Then a family of yuppies cut me off and stopped in the intersection.
I started yelling at the Yuppies as I was bearing down on tham at 25 plus.
I had no idea that dragons don't work in the rain. I always bones v2 in the rain.
But yeah look out you.
What are the best wet ground wheels that are kinda skateable?
These right here. Would be sick in the wet.
Og 80s Powell formula is all thats needed.
The dragons can't touch this wheel. I just set them up for the night. Got me thinking. Is it like illegal to make the old formulas or something?
These shits slide and bark nice and loud too Rolls over anything.
I highly recommend
Probably get some in 97a on ebay? 97a was the hardest they made back then I think. That would be the best. I'd look for the freestyle bones. Those are the best ones.
On the topic of old wheels, most urethane cures and hardens over time, but the good compounds really take off in terms of how they skate 20 to 30 years on from when they first came out.
That is one of the take aways from Bones / Powell in that they have made exceptionally good products over the years (with some hiccups along the way, I know) and those older formula wheels that were a little softer really do skate so well nowdays, as they firm up a bit and end up feeling like grippy versions of current duro wheels, even though they were 90, 93, 95, 97 duro when poured.
As to the new Dragons and also the X Formula wheels, I won't be buying them for myself any time soon but I have tried other setups with them on and they sure do skate well for their intended purpose, either slippery ramps or new finished skateparks, as well as being fun to roll around on roads and rougher surfaces too.
Quite a few people I know have the Dragons on and most of them don't want to go back to normal 99 or 101 duro wheels.
Got to ride the X Formula 56 mm V6 wide ones the other day and they are just what I would want in size, shape, width, etc for a bowl board skating new slippery parks.
That's good to know. I might keep hunting down 80s wheels
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Do the new almost white x formula wheels feel the same as the first edition brown ones?
I do not trust bones when they change their wheel color. Please not again...
Yeah, with you on them bones wheel color trust issues...
Where are you seeing these? I usually chalk it up to lighting (why spits sometimes look white potato at times).
I'm waiting for those 99a V1s to drop.
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Been riding the x97s on my slappy board for a little while now, basically only riding in asphalt parking lots. Here are some of my thoughts, especially as a comparison to Spitfire f4 99s
If the asphalt is medium grit, eg not crusty but not brand new, they work great. Limited slip when carving but they slide when you want. If the asphalt is brand new and super smooth, they are way too slippery.
I'm not doing a tone of long, fast powerslides, but I do a lot of reverts out of slappies and they haven't flat spotted yet.
They're not very fast. Feels like it takes a bit more effort to get up to speed than it does with the spitfires. They also feel heavier.
I got 56s and they don't stop on small pebbles or anything.
I got them for free from a friend who works for Powell so I'm stoked to try them, but I don't think I'd buy them. That being said, they're probably the best bones wheel I've skated in a while. I'd personally still prefer spitfire f4 99s because they just feel like a real wheel while these x97s still have that plastic bones feel.
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Been riding the x97s on my slappy board for a little while now, basically only riding in asphalt parking lots. Here are some of my thoughts, especially as a comparison to Spitfire f4 99s
If the asphalt is medium grit, eg not crusty but not brand new, they work great. Limited slip when carving but they slide when you want. If the asphalt is brand new and super smooth, they are way too slippery.
I'm not doing a tone of long, fast powerslides, but I do a lot of reverts out of slappies and they haven't flat spotted yet.
They're not very fast. Feels like it takes a bit more effort to get up to speed than it does with the spitfires. They also feel heavier.
I got 56s and they don't stop on small pebbles or anything.
I got them for free from a friend who works for Powell so I'm stoked to try them, but I don't think I'd buy them. That being said, they're probably the best bones wheel I've skated in a while. I'd personally still prefer spitfire f4 99s because they just feel like a real wheel while these x97s still have that plastic bones feel.
nice recap! Any plans to try dragons for the next set on your slappy?
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Been riding the x97s on my slappy board for a little while now, basically only riding in asphalt parking lots. Here are some of my thoughts, especially as a comparison to Spitfire f4 99s
If the asphalt is medium grit, eg not crusty but not brand new, they work great. Limited slip when carving but they slide when you want. If the asphalt is brand new and super smooth, they are way too slippery.
I'm not doing a tone of long, fast powerslides, but I do a lot of reverts out of slappies and they haven't flat spotted yet.
They're not very fast. Feels like it takes a bit more effort to get up to speed than it does with the spitfires. They also feel heavier.
I got 56s and they don't stop on small pebbles or anything.
I got them for free from a friend who works for Powell so I'm stoked to try them, but I don't think I'd buy them. That being said, they're probably the best bones wheel I've skated in a while. I'd personally still prefer spitfire f4 99s because they just feel like a real wheel while these x97s still have that plastic bones feel.
Not unless I get a free pair :P It's kinda bad, whenever I see my Powell friend I'll just subtly drop some lines like 'So what's the deal with dragons vs x formula?' and he'll always say something like 'oh I have a brand new set in the back of my car if you want to try them?' and I'll go 'oh man no way that would be so sick, you serious? only if you're not going to use them...'
Powell literally gives him free shit to hand out to people to try so whatever haha, i've gotten a few pairs of wheels and bearings off him so far. Great dude.
I also asked him if Bones created the X formula to compete with spitfire f4s and he said that they didn't and Bones had been working on it for like 10 years. I don't buy that though.
But yeah, I've definitely been thoroughly converted to Spitfire f4s at this point. Bones would have to bring something out that was both better and cheaper for me to actually ride them seriously again.
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Been riding the x97s on my slappy board for a little while now, basically only riding in asphalt parking lots. Here are some of my thoughts, especially as a comparison to Spitfire f4 99s
If the asphalt is medium grit, eg not crusty but not brand new, they work great. Limited slip when carving but they slide when you want. If the asphalt is brand new and super smooth, they are way too slippery.
I'm not doing a tone of long, fast powerslides, but I do a lot of reverts out of slappies and they haven't flat spotted yet.
They're not very fast. Feels like it takes a bit more effort to get up to speed than it does with the spitfires. They also feel heavier.
I got 56s and they don't stop on small pebbles or anything.
I got them for free from a friend who works for Powell so I'm stoked to try them, but I don't think I'd buy them. That being said, they're probably the best bones wheel I've skated in a while. I'd personally still prefer spitfire f4 99s because they just feel like a real wheel while these x97s still have that plastic bones feel.
Not unless I get a free pair :P It's kinda bad, whenever I see my Powell friend I'll just subtly drop some lines like 'So what's the deal with dragons vs x formula?' and he'll always say something like 'oh I have a brand new set in the back of my car if you want to try them?' and I'll go 'oh man no way that would be so sick, you serious? only if you're not going to use them...'
Powell literally gives him free shit to hand out to people to try so whatever haha, i've gotten a few pairs of wheels and bearings off him so far. Great dude.
I also asked him if Bones created the X formula to compete with spitfire f4s and he said that they didn't and Bones had been working on it for like 10 years. I don't buy that though.
But yeah, I've definitely been thoroughly converted to Spitfire f4s at this point. Bones would have to bring something out that was both better and cheaper for me to actually ride them seriously again.
hey man I totally get that! Good resource, too. Great dude but taking his 10+ years of development comment with a grain of salt. Haha! You mentioned crust so wasn’t sure if you had a need for something more forgiving like dragons.
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I actually kinda buy it. I mentioned it before and I emailed Powell about discontinuing the first run of ditchtech and they responded they were working on something…..this was like 7 years ago. What they were working on was the dragon formula. I think when the white STF’s came out, it was formulas they were working on since the early 90’s….. George Powell is an engineer…..he’s never not working on something and with a company that’s been around for like 40 years or something, they’re in no rush to put something like that out…..colorways on some bones brigade re-issues on the other hand……
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I know this is a X97 thread, but for what it's worth, I gotta say I f*cking LOVE the Powell Dragons on rough, crusty asphalt. They are fast, my feet aren't vibrating to pieces, they slide awesome, all in all a pretty amazing wheel for rough terrain. The hype is real imo.
Haven't tried them on smooth concrete, though. But then again I know what I like on smooth terrain, so it's really not an issue.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula (https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula)
The X 99a are coming soon and the purple graphic is kinda nice. I really wonder how these wheels will feel
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula (https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula)
The X 99a are coming soon and the purple graphic is kinda nice. I really wonder how these wheels will feel
The purples are nice! Bones wheels been lacking in the graphics (not that I care at all, but some do).
I've been back on STFs (103s) and Ricta 101s because of bluntslides/they come in thin wheel shapes - I'm not confident with the 97s x with that trick (let alone the dragons) as the wheels are just gummy on waxed curbs, it's much more hit or miss; with the stfs/ricta I know I'll slide every time (even if it's too much). It's not a trick I like to gamble with when it comes to sticking (the sliding out I can handle better).
Having ridden the dragons, the +5 in duro to the 97s marginally decreased the handling of rough terrain with very little difference when sliding on slick surfaces.
Pretty sure we all know the feel of a 99a to 101a spit/STF is very different so maybe a +2 bump in that x'thane on the harder end of the duro spectrum could be better?.....not sure how much as I think that formula just doesn't work that way, i.e., you don't gain slide no matter what the duro just how much vibration they absorb from crust.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula (https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula)
The X 99a are coming soon and the purple graphic is kinda nice. I really wonder how these wheels will feel
The purples are nice! Bones wheels been lacking in the graphics (not that I care at all, but some do).
I've been back on STFs (103s) and Ricta 101s because of bluntslides/they come in thin wheel shapes - I'm not confident with the 97s x with that trick (let alone the dragons) as the wheels are just gummy on waxed curbs, it's much more hit or miss; with the stfs/ricta I know I'll slide every time (even if it's too much). It's not a trick I like to gamble with when it comes to sticking (the sliding out I can handle better).
Having ridden the dragons, the +5 in duro to the 97s marginally decreased the handling of rough terrain with very little difference when sliding on slick surfaces.
Pretty sure we all know the feel of a 99a to 101a spit/STF is very different so maybe a +2 bump in that x'thane on the harder end of the duro spectrum could be better?.....not sure how much as I think that formula just doesn't work that way, i.e., you don't gain slide no matter what the duro just how much vibration they absorb from crust.
Definitely copping a set of X99 when they hit stores. I like the slide of dragons, X97's and F4's, but I skate mostly park these days and much prefer the feel of a 99a or harder. Something about that clack and clatter that I miss with the dragons and X97's.
Agreed on the slide, the 97's don't slide any better than dragons, they're almost a bit grippier on certain surfaces. They are both really easy to slide though.
What I'd really like is a 56mm V5 shape, but V6 is pretty nice too. Really like Bones shapes.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula (https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula)
The X 99a are coming soon and the purple graphic is kinda nice. I really wonder how these wheels will feel
I wish bones would make some big wide wheels in the x97 formula. I'm one of the few who don't like f4's but I prefer the spitfire shapes. A 60mm V6 is my dream.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula (https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula)
The X 99a are coming soon and the purple graphic is kinda nice. I really wonder how these wheels will feel
I wish bones would make some big wide wheels in the x97 formula. I'm one of the few who don't like f4's but I prefer the spitfire shapes. A 60mm V6 is my dream.
Try some Dogtown K9's in their 60mm 97a they are solid
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula (https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula)
The X 99a are coming soon and the purple graphic is kinda nice. I really wonder how these wheels will feel
I wish bones would make some big wide wheels in the x97 formula. I'm one of the few who don't like f4's but I prefer the spitfire shapes. A 60mm V6 is my dream.
I can definitely appreciate the V6 shape, 56 x 36 is a good size wheel, but I don't know if they would make it any bigger, only 54 x 34 and the 56 x 36 sizes shown.
https://bones.com/why/shapes/
The old SPF wheels were great for the big round shapes, of which I still have quite a few. Not sure if you ever had them or saw them, in particular the P2 and P3 shapes.
The P2 came in 60 x 37 mm and the P3 came in 60 x 40 mm sizes.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0268/8227/7494/files/BONES_SPF_shapes_grande.jpg)
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
I’d dare say it looks like a full launch.
I honestly thought they would have waited longer since dropping X97. But dropping right at the very cusp of summer is brilliant. 200 IQ play.
4 shapes dropping in 2-4 sizes is very good.
Already the graphics are surpassing X97.
They’re going to ruin me at this rate.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
Oh good, I'll have at least a week to obsessively agonize over a 2mm sizing decision.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
53mm V5, I usually skate F4 radials so these will def be different.
I should have waited till my local got them in but I'm just too damn impatient.
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Anyone already ridden or reviewed the x99?
want to believe they roll like a F497 but feel like a F4101…. on the fence about Bones wheel shapes though
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(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/home/2023/Bones_X99_HeadRush_V5_1280x612.jpg)
99a eating crust as well? I'm intrigued
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Well I’m gonna give. I love the v5 shape. Hope this slides better than other bones but I just need to figure if I want 55 and wear it down or a 54
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I want to try these x99s but I wish they'd put it out in the v4 shape which seems closest to the spit classic fulls. Seems like they only release the v4 in the OG formula which doesn't interest me. Guess it's not a good seller.
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Shit I’m torn between 54mm V6 and 55mm V5.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
Oh good, I'll have at least a week to obsessively agonize over a 2mm sizing decision.
This had me snorting coffee. I can’t figure out how to give someone +reps, but when I do you’re on my list.
I’ll probably do the same until I decide to get 56 v6.
But then I’d want to get 54s. And then the same in x99s.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
Oh good, I'll have at least a week to obsessively agonize over a 2mm sizing decision.
This had me snorting coffee. I can’t figure out how to give someone +reps, but when I do you’re on my list.
I’ll probably do the same until I decide to get 56 v6.
But then I’d want to get 54s. And then the same in x99s.
Once you hit 1000 posts, then you can deal out reps, but until then it will not show up as an option for you.
It is funny isn't it, the size of wheels is now so precise that getting anything a little this way or that can change the whole board, for much better or much worse.
Just to be contrary, I usually prefer bigger wheel widths, once they wear down a few mm. That said, I used to have two or three boards all much the same, one with the bigger wheels as new (go fast board), one with them worn down a bit (medium / all rounder / everything board) and one with the wheels worn down more than a lot, which was more the small tech setup.
I do like the look of both the V6 56 x 36 for the go fast board and then the 54 x 34 for the medium all rounder, if I was going to get anything from the Bones range.
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V1 and V5 are great shapes.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
Oh good, I'll have at least a week to obsessively agonize over a 2mm sizing decision.
This had me snorting coffee. I can’t figure out how to give someone +reps, but when I do you’re on my list.
I’ll probably do the same until I decide to get 56 v6.
But then I’d want to get 54s. And then the same in x99s.
Haha, thanks man, like Mr. Brimson mentioned I think you need 1k posts.
Definitely copping the X99's. I really like the 97's but I'm an anal retentive kook and don't really like how "rubbery" they sound. Dragons even moreso. The "clack" and bark of hard wheels makes me happy.
I skate 90% park, and of that probably 80% transition, so was debating between 54mm or 56mm V6. Just noticed the 55 V5's and I think that's gonna be the move. Skating 56mm F4 Conical full's on an orange eagle with 169's, so dropping a bit of weight should help my ledge game. What there is of it.
My X97's are 54's, plus they have so much more sidecut than the F4's, it's really noticable how much lighter they are. Wheel madness!
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Just decided to wait for X99a in V3. Might never happen, but I really want it to.
What do you guys expect the 99s to feel like? I can't imagine them handling crust better than stf 99a, so basically I'm just expecting a stf 99a with a better slide, might be faster as well.
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I disagree, I thought the 99 STF was not a good wheel, I think these will be better but not grossly better……
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
Oh good, I'll have at least a week to obsessively agonize over a 2mm sizing decision.
This had me snorting coffee. I can’t figure out how to give someone +reps, but when I do you’re on my list.
I’ll probably do the same until I decide to get 56 v6.
But then I’d want to get 54s. And then the same in x99s.
Once you hit 1000 posts, then you can deal out reps, but until then it will not show up as an option for you.
It is funny isn't it, the size of wheels is now so precise that getting anything a little this way or that can change the whole board, for much better or much worse.
Just to be contrary, I usually prefer bigger wheel widths, once they wear down a few mm. That said, I used to have two or three boards all much the same, one with the bigger wheels as new (go fast board), one with them worn down a bit (medium / all rounder / everything board) and one with the wheels worn down more than a lot, which was more the small tech setup.
I do like the look of both the V6 56 x 36 for the go fast board and then the 54 x 34 for the medium all rounder, if I was going to get anything from the Bones range.
When I hit 1K, you’re getting some. Count on that.
I’m going for 56 V6, to better get in and out out coping and get speed easier on the mini ramps and quarter pipes.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
Oh good, I'll have at least a week to obsessively agonize over a 2mm sizing decision.
This had me snorting coffee. I can’t figure out how to give someone +reps, but when I do you’re on my list.
I’ll probably do the same until I decide to get 56 v6.
But then I’d want to get 54s. And then the same in x99s.
Haha, thanks man, like Mr. Brimson mentioned I think you need 1k posts.
Definitely copping the X99's. I really like the 97's but I'm an anal retentive kook and don't really like how "rubbery" they sound. Dragons even moreso. The "clack" and bark of hard wheels makes me happy.
I skate 90% park, and of that probably 80% transition, so was debating between 54mm or 56mm V6. Just noticed the 55 V5's and I think that's gonna be the move. Skating 56mm F4 Conical full's on an orange eagle with 169's, so dropping a bit of weight should help my ledge game. What there is of it.
My X97's are 54's, plus they have so much more sidecut than the F4's, it's really noticable how much lighter they are. Wheel madness!
We still on the basically same board :-)
(https://i.ibb.co/1Xm7Fff/IMG-2450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1Xm7Fff)
I’m on 99a STF 54 mm V6.
I don’t “need” X99 a lot… yet. Like what’s the deal. A hard wheel that slides…. Like a hard wheel!?
My STFs work okay for my use. Our indoor park is a mix of smooth wood and a mix of rough and smooth concrete. Could use those 2mm though.
Put away my spits because they slide too much. So I don’t need more slide.
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Just got the 55 mm 97a V5 and this might make or ruin some peoples day depending on personal madness levels:
All of the wheels are exactly 55.7 mm. I'm super hyped, I wished they made them in 56 and now that's basically what they are. All the other measurements are as advertised.
Usually bones makes wheels 0.3 mm larger than advertised, 0.7 seems weird but in this case I love it.
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Just got the 55 mm 97a V5 and this might make or ruin some peoples day depending on personal madness levels:
All of the wheels are exactly 55.7 mm. I'm super hyped, I wished they made them in 56 and now that's basically what they are. All the other measurements are as advertised.
Usually bones makes wheels 0.3 mm larger than advertised, 0.7 seems weird but in this case I love it.
Cool, 55(.7)mm V5's it is.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
Oh good, I'll have at least a week to obsessively agonize over a 2mm sizing decision.
This had me snorting coffee. I can’t figure out how to give someone +reps, but when I do you’re on my list.
I’ll probably do the same until I decide to get 56 v6.
But then I’d want to get 54s. And then the same in x99s.
Once you hit 1000 posts, then you can deal out reps, but until then it will not show up as an option for you.
It is funny isn't it, the size of wheels is now so precise that getting anything a little this way or that can change the whole board, for much better or much worse.
Just to be contrary, I usually prefer bigger wheel widths, once they wear down a few mm. That said, I used to have two or three boards all much the same, one with the bigger wheels as new (go fast board), one with them worn down a bit (medium / all rounder / everything board) and one with the wheels worn down more than a lot, which was more the small tech setup.
I do like the look of both the V6 56 x 36 for the go fast board and then the 54 x 34 for the medium all rounder, if I was going to get anything from the Bones range.
When I hit 1K, you’re getting some. Count on that.
I’m going for 56 V6, to better get in and out out coping and get speed easier on the mini ramps and quarter pipes.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
Oh good, I'll have at least a week to obsessively agonize over a 2mm sizing decision.
This had me snorting coffee. I can’t figure out how to give someone +reps, but when I do you’re on my list.
I’ll probably do the same until I decide to get 56 v6.
But then I’d want to get 54s. And then the same in x99s.
Haha, thanks man, like Mr. Brimson mentioned I think you need 1k posts.
Definitely copping the X99's. I really like the 97's but I'm an anal retentive kook and don't really like how "rubbery" they sound. Dragons even moreso. The "clack" and bark of hard wheels makes me happy.
I skate 90% park, and of that probably 80% transition, so was debating between 54mm or 56mm V6. Just noticed the 55 V5's and I think that's gonna be the move. Skating 56mm F4 Conical full's on an orange eagle with 169's, so dropping a bit of weight should help my ledge game. What there is of it.
My X97's are 54's, plus they have so much more sidecut than the F4's, it's really noticable how much lighter they are. Wheel madness!
We still on the basically same board :-)
(https://i.ibb.co/1Xm7Fff/IMG-2450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1Xm7Fff)
I’m on 99a STF 54 mm V6.
I don’t “need” X99 a lot… yet. Like what’s the deal. A hard wheel that slides…. Like a hard wheel!?
My STFs work okay for my use. Our indoor park is a mix of smooth wood and a mix of rough and smooth concrete. Could use those 2mm though.
Put away my spits because they slide too much. So I don’t need more slide.
Ha! Nice.
I'm on wide-ass Conical full 56mm 99a F4's and find they have loads of grip, even on ultra smooth concrete, but I've never tried them indoor. When I was skating indoor last winter, I was using the X97's and found them weirdly bad for collecting dust. Buddy riding Dragons did not have the same issue. I felt like I was always on the edge of slipping out where he could carve all over the place. The indoor I was going to was a combination of skatelite and painted concrete, so there weren't really any surfaces to wear off the dust that would build up. Once winter sets in I'll try a few different wheels and see what works best there. I'd rather skate a harder wheel but I think dragons might be the move, unless the X99's grip and don't collect dust.
Yep, as a fellow giant, I'm also still loving the orange eagle. Tossed the Ace's and got on 169 Indy forged hollow with ⅛" risers. Much happier, better pop, more responsive, prefer the turn, even slicker grind. (https://i.ibb.co/sbJbYS1/1687628462439954506226934638442.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sbJbYS1)
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The x99 are available at SoCal skate shop.
https://socalskateshop.com/Bones-Skateboard-Wheels-All.html
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Just got the 55 mm 97a V5 and this might make or ruin some peoples day depending on personal madness levels:
All of the wheels are exactly 55.7 mm. I'm super hyped, I wished they made them in 56 and now that's basically what they are. All the other measurements are as advertised.
Usually bones makes wheels 0.3 mm larger than advertised, 0.7 seems weird but in this case I love it.
Have you skated them yet?
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Just got the 55 mm 97a V5 and this might make or ruin some peoples day depending on personal madness levels:
All of the wheels are exactly 55.7 mm. I'm super hyped, I wished they made them in 56 and now that's basically what they are. All the other measurements are as advertised.
Usually bones makes wheels 0.3 mm larger than advertised, 0.7 seems weird but in this case I love it.
Have you skated them yet?
Hell yeah. They're insane. Really grippy in the miniramp I always slipped out in, but amazing slide if you want to powerslide. Super slidey on asphalt. Crooked grinds on ledges and cross locked 5050s on coping work great.
In terms of how smooth they roll, these 55mm 97a roll about as smooth as my girlfriends 52mm 93a dragons. Which is really damn smooth. They feel much faster than dragons though (on not completely fucked up ground)
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Just got the 55 mm 97a V5 and this might make or ruin some peoples day depending on personal madness levels:
All of the wheels are exactly 55.7 mm. I'm super hyped, I wished they made them in 56 and now that's basically what they are. All the other measurements are as advertised.
Usually bones makes wheels 0.3 mm larger than advertised, 0.7 seems weird but in this case I love it.
Have you skated them yet?
In terms of how smooth they roll, these 55mm 97a roll about as smooth as my girlfriends 52mm 93a dragons. Which is really damn smooth. They feel much faster than dragons though (on not completely fucked up ground)
Right on! Thank you for that, would gnar if I could.
Any comments on the feel? Anything like F4's? Plasticy like other Bones?
Edit- I'm an idiot and just noticed you got 97a. In my head I thought you were on the new 99a. I have a set of 54mm 97a, and yeah really like them.
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Got my set in the mail today and got em set up. Hope to skate em tomorrow. My flat ground spot has super smooth concrete, east coast asphalt and a little brick bank so should get a good taste for how the perform on a wide set of surfaces.
First impressions in hand... These feel really nice. Bones even in hand always felt plasticity and cheap to me. These don't have that feeling, definitely more F4 esque. They are definitely whiter than F4s but not quite that bleachy almost blue white you get with Creative or older Bones stuff.
Full on fucking Slap message board brain worm shit here
Next to some used Acid REMs which have that bright bleachy white
(https://i.ibb.co/m5VFKTb/PXL-20230628-021000147.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m5VFKTb)
Next to my usual F4 Radials
(https://i.ibb.co/NmY6Lzf/PXL-20230628-021913875.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmY6Lzf)
Definitely whiter than F4s but def feel more natural like em
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Got my set in the mail today and got em set up. Hope to skate em tomorrow. My flat ground spot has super smooth concrete, east coast asphalt and a little brick bank so should get a good taste for how the perform on a wide set of surfaces.
First impressions in hand... These feel really nice. Bones even in hand always felt plasticity and cheap to me. These don't have that feeling, definitely more F4 esque. They are definitely whiter than F4s but not quite that bleachy almost blue white you get with Creative or older Bones stuff.
Full on fucking Slap message board brain worm shit here
Next to some used Acid REMs which have that bright bleachy white
(https://i.ibb.co/m5VFKTb/PXL-20230628-021000147.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m5VFKTb)
Next to my usual F4 Radials
(https://i.ibb.co/NmY6Lzf/PXL-20230628-021913875.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmY6Lzf)
Definitely whiter than F4s but def feel more natural like em
First impressions riding around. The air quality here in Pittsburgh is fucked today so didn't exactly skate too hard but these wheels are great. They don't feel like Bones wheels to me which is a huge compliment.
I took a board with F4 Radials 53mm and X99 53mm V5 to the same spot. Smooth concrete the roll is very close to F4 maybe slightly better. Unscientific test 1 push same starting spot, both on Quantum Atoms. X99 rolled maybe about a foot more on average.
Small hill starting at the same spot on rough asphalt no pushing the X99 went way further like 8 feet further.
Lastly rolling wise on the same street I pushed first on F4s about 100 yards down and back. Immediately hopped on the X99s and went "oh shit" . They didn't make the F4s feel awful or super slow but it was VERY noticable how much more speed I carried and had to push less.
Power slides and reverts on smooth ground ever so slightly stickier than F4s but these are brand new so that could change.
Power slides/reverts on rough ground X99 slid better.
Ollies/flip tricks felt the same besides being lighter because thinner wheels. They bounce every so slightly less on throw downs and landings than F4s
Didn't do much grind/slide wise but I didn't stick on 50/50 on a not very waxed bench. And a few slappy nose slides on a sticky not waxed at all curb slid a few inches. Both felt the same to me there but that's clearly not a lot of grind/slide testing.
Definitely excited to try these at the DIY and a smooth park here soon. First impressions are stellar F4s have some very serious competition I think.
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do they bark at all or do they still have a plasticky feel / sound?
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do they bark at all or do they still have a plasticky feel / sound?
They bark, don't feel plasticky at all. That's what I meant when I said don't feel like Bones wheels actually should have specified.
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Got my set in the mail today and got em set up. Hope to skate em tomorrow. My flat ground spot has super smooth concrete, east coast asphalt and a little brick bank so should get a good taste for how the perform on a wide set of surfaces.
First impressions in hand... These feel really nice. Bones even in hand always felt plasticity and cheap to me. These don't have that feeling, definitely more F4 esque. They are definitely whiter than F4s but not quite that bleachy almost blue white you get with Creative or older Bones stuff.
Full on fucking Slap message board brain worm shit here
Next to some used Acid REMs which have that bright bleachy white
(https://i.ibb.co/m5VFKTb/PXL-20230628-021000147.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m5VFKTb)
Next to my usual F4 Radials
(https://i.ibb.co/NmY6Lzf/PXL-20230628-021913875.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmY6Lzf)
Definitely whiter than F4s but def feel more natural like em
First impressions riding around. The air quality here in Pittsburgh is fucked today so didn't exactly skate too hard but these wheels are great. They don't feel like Bones wheels to me which is a huge compliment.
I took a board with F4 Radials 53mm and X99 53mm V5 to the same spot. Smooth concrete the roll is very close to F4 maybe slightly better. Unscientific test 1 push same starting spot, both on Quantum Atoms. X99 rolled maybe about a foot more on average.
Small hill starting at the same spot on rough asphalt no pushing the X99 went way further like 8 feet further.
Lastly rolling wise on the same street I pushed first on F4s about 100 yards down and back. Immediately hopped on the X99s and went "oh shit" . They didn't make the F4s feel awful or super slow but it was VERY noticable how much more speed I carried and had to push less.
Power slides and reverts on smooth ground ever so slightly stickier than F4s but these are brand new so that could change.
Power slides/reverts on rough ground X99 slid better.
Ollies/flip tricks felt the same besides being lighter because thinner wheels. They bounce every so slightly less on throw downs and landings than F4s
Didn't do much grind/slide wise but I didn't stick on 50/50 on a not very waxed bench. And a few slappy nose slides on a sticky not waxed at all curb slid a few inches. Both felt the same to me there but that's clearly not a lot of grind/slide testing.
Definitely excited to try these at the DIY and a smooth park here soon. First impressions are stellar F4s have some very serious competition I think.
Please gnar this man!
Thanks for the great write-up, sounds very promising. Missing one detail important to kooks like me: how's the sound? Similar to F4's? Don't like the sound of other Bones wheels.
As far as your comments on the grip, my X97's did get more slide once they wore in a bit, pretty grippy when new.
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Got my set in the mail today and got em set up. Hope to skate em tomorrow. My flat ground spot has super smooth concrete, east coast asphalt and a little brick bank so should get a good taste for how the perform on a wide set of surfaces.
First impressions in hand... These feel really nice. Bones even in hand always felt plasticity and cheap to me. These don't have that feeling, definitely more F4 esque. They are definitely whiter than F4s but not quite that bleachy almost blue white you get with Creative or older Bones stuff.
Full on fucking Slap message board brain worm shit here
Next to some used Acid REMs which have that bright bleachy white
(https://i.ibb.co/m5VFKTb/PXL-20230628-021000147.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m5VFKTb)
Next to my usual F4 Radials
(https://i.ibb.co/NmY6Lzf/PXL-20230628-021913875.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmY6Lzf)
Definitely whiter than F4s but def feel more natural like em
First impressions riding around. The air quality here in Pittsburgh is fucked today so didn't exactly skate too hard but these wheels are great. They don't feel like Bones wheels to me which is a huge compliment.
I took a board with F4 Radials 53mm and X99 53mm V5 to the same spot. Smooth concrete the roll is very close to F4 maybe slightly better. Unscientific test 1 push same starting spot, both on Quantum Atoms. X99 rolled maybe about a foot more on average.
Small hill starting at the same spot on rough asphalt no pushing the X99 went way further like 8 feet further.
Lastly rolling wise on the same street I pushed first on F4s about 100 yards down and back. Immediately hopped on the X99s and went "oh shit" . They didn't make the F4s feel awful or super slow but it was VERY noticable how much more speed I carried and had to push less.
Power slides and reverts on smooth ground ever so slightly stickier than F4s but these are brand new so that could change.
Power slides/reverts on rough ground X99 slid better.
Ollies/flip tricks felt the same besides being lighter because thinner wheels. They bounce every so slightly less on throw downs and landings than F4s
Didn't do much grind/slide wise but I didn't stick on 50/50 on a not very waxed bench. And a few slappy nose slides on a sticky not waxed at all curb slid a few inches. Both felt the same to me there but that's clearly not a lot of grind/slide testing.
Definitely excited to try these at the DIY and a smooth park here soon. First impressions are stellar F4s have some very serious competition I think.
Please gnar this man!
Thanks for the great write-up, sounds very promising. Missing one detail important to kooks like me: how's the sound? Similar to F4's? Don't like the sound of other Bones wheels.
As far as your comments on the grip, my X97's did get more slide once they wore in a bit, pretty grippy when new.
They do bark but honestly I cinch my wheels up pretty tight so even F4s don't squeal too much for me. I'm definitely not the best guy to ask for a full picture on sound besides yeah they bark haha
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Got my set in the mail today and got em set up. Hope to skate em tomorrow. My flat ground spot has super smooth concrete, east coast asphalt and a little brick bank so should get a good taste for how the perform on a wide set of surfaces.
First impressions in hand... These feel really nice. Bones even in hand always felt plasticity and cheap to me. These don't have that feeling, definitely more F4 esque. They are definitely whiter than F4s but not quite that bleachy almost blue white you get with Creative or older Bones stuff.
Full on fucking Slap message board brain worm shit here
Next to some used Acid REMs which have that bright bleachy white
(https://i.ibb.co/m5VFKTb/PXL-20230628-021000147.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m5VFKTb)
Next to my usual F4 Radials
(https://i.ibb.co/NmY6Lzf/PXL-20230628-021913875.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmY6Lzf)
Definitely whiter than F4s but def feel more natural like em
First impressions riding around. The air quality here in Pittsburgh is fucked today so didn't exactly skate too hard but these wheels are great. They don't feel like Bones wheels to me which is a huge compliment.
I took a board with F4 Radials 53mm and X99 53mm V5 to the same spot. Smooth concrete the roll is very close to F4 maybe slightly better. Unscientific test 1 push same starting spot, both on Quantum Atoms. X99 rolled maybe about a foot more on average.
Small hill starting at the same spot on rough asphalt no pushing the X99 went way further like 8 feet further.
Lastly rolling wise on the same street I pushed first on F4s about 100 yards down and back. Immediately hopped on the X99s and went "oh shit" . They didn't make the F4s feel awful or super slow but it was VERY noticable how much more speed I carried and had to push less.
Power slides and reverts on smooth ground ever so slightly stickier than F4s but these are brand new so that could change.
Power slides/reverts on rough ground X99 slid better.
Ollies/flip tricks felt the same besides being lighter because thinner wheels. They bounce every so slightly less on throw downs and landings than F4s
Didn't do much grind/slide wise but I didn't stick on 50/50 on a not very waxed bench. And a few slappy nose slides on a sticky not waxed at all curb slid a few inches. Both felt the same to me there but that's clearly not a lot of grind/slide testing.
Definitely excited to try these at the DIY and a smooth park here soon. First impressions are stellar F4s have some very serious competition I think.
Please gnar this man!
Thanks for the great write-up, sounds very promising. Missing one detail important to kooks like me: how's the sound? Similar to F4's? Don't like the sound of other Bones wheels.
As far as your comments on the grip, my X97's did get more slide once they wore in a bit, pretty grippy when new.
They do bark but honestly I cinch my wheels up pretty tight so even F4s don't squeal too much for me. I'm definitely not the best guy to ask for a full picture on sound besides yeah they bark haha
All good man, more wondering if they sound plasticky just rolling around? I love how F4's sound, Bones STF's not so much. I also really appreciate how you took out two setups with the same bearings even!
Your comment on how they don't feel like Bones wheels sums it up nicely, definitely copping a set of these.
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Ah man, full on gear madness here. I was thinking of pulling the trigger on the X97's, but now I'm thinking if I should wait for the X99s. Thing is, it could be a while until they're available in Europe.
I've been really liking the Dragons on rough-ish asphalt and old concrete lately. Any reason I should try X97s instead? Better grinds? Faster? Someone convince me! :D
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Ah man, full on gear madness here. I was thinking of pulling the trigger on the X97's, but now I'm thinking if I should wait for the X99s. Thing is, it could be a while until they're available in Europe.
I've been really liking the Dragons on rough-ish asphalt and old concrete lately. Any reason I should try X97s instead? Better grinds? Faster? Someone convince me! :D
You should get both and write a comprehensive comparison and review :P
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Ah man, full on gear madness here. I was thinking of pulling the trigger on the X97's, but now I'm thinking if I should wait for the X99s. Thing is, it could be a while until they're available in Europe.
I've been really liking the Dragons on rough-ish asphalt and old concrete lately. Any reason I should try X97s instead? Better grinds? Faster? Someone convince me! :D
X97's are a nice compromise, they're faster on smooth concrete than Dragons, don't stick on metal like Dragons and are still surprisingly good on rough surfaces. Way faster on asphalt than F4's, while behaving like a harder wheel. Can't comment on the X99, not out in Canada yet.
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Ah man, full on gear madness here. I was thinking of pulling the trigger on the X97's, but now I'm thinking if I should wait for the X99s. Thing is, it could be a while until they're available in Europe.
I've been really liking the Dragons on rough-ish asphalt and old concrete lately. Any reason I should try X97s instead? Better grinds? Faster? Someone convince me! :D
X97's are a nice compromise, they're faster on smooth concrete than Dragons, don't stick on metal like Dragons and are still surprisingly good on rough surfaces. Way faster on asphalt than F4's, while behaving like a harder wheel. Can't comment on the X99, not out in Canada yet.
Thanks man. Sounds pretty much what I'm looking for. Dragons are amazing, don't get me wrong, but as I'm not Kevin Kowalski, my transition grinds have been suffering a bit at my local crusty park b/c of them. Just ordered a set of X97s, looking forward to give them a whirl.
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97s still dragged on coping and pinched grinds for me. Not Dragon level, but enough to where I wouldn't want the same wheel for my local skatepark and curb spot.
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Got the 99x in today - haven't set them up but they are for sure more white than the x97s (and dragons) out of the gate. Fingernail test = they're harder for sure.
I got used to pinch/grinds with the 97s (more speeeeed) but blunts didn't work enough to trust them, they either slid a bit or just gummed and not at all. Hoping these work better for them as that was the only draw back for me with the x97s.
Still, I stuck with the x97s and just skipped bluntslides as less knee pain > one trick.
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Drop tested, x99s sound/bounce more like a regular wheel than the x97s.
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Drop tested, x99s sound/bounce more like a regular wheel than the x97s.
Please update when you get around to skating them!
Patiently waiting!
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Finally got a little roll on someone else’s x97
Felt more rubbery/keyframe-ish than I expected. Reckon similarly fast on ashphalt/rough, still slightly gluey on smooth surfaces (and very sticky on them, at least new) like Dragons.
Good and versatile wheels but F4 97a work for me just fine.
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Finally got a little roll on someone else’s x97
Felt more rubbery/keyframe-ish than I expected. Reckon similarly fast on ashphalt/rough, still slightly gluey on smooth surfaces (and very sticky on them, at least new) like Dragons.
Good and versatile wheels but F4 97a work for me just fine.
I got to try x97s one someone else’s board for the first time yesterday and this was my experience too. I rode them in a big smooth bowl. They are a mooth and grippy, but I had to work harder to get to the coping vs F4s where getting to the coping is effortless. For those who were fans of the Bones DTF wheels, these feel pretty close
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Are these wheels essentially the same or similar formula ie. Dragon, X….which is a cruiser or soft wheel which they’ve ramped up the rebound so hard that it mimics a traditional wheel?
Do you think there’s a sweet spot ie a 99 where none of the formulas work ie. SPF, STF, dragon?
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Are these wheels essentially the same or similar formula ie. Dragon, X….which is a cruiser or soft wheel which they’ve ramped up the rebound so hard that it mimics a traditional wheel?
Do you think there’s a sweet spot ie a 99 where none of the formulas work ie. SPF, STF, dragon?
It's a harder version of the Dragon formula. I haven't skated the X99 at all my usual spots yet but a few sessions in... they may replace F4s 99a as my wheel of choice. They definitely work at 99a that's for sure
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I’m dying to try x99a. So I’m stoked for any info. Love my spits but bones shapes are better so if bones makes a wheel that’s as good as a spit the v5 and other shapes put it ahead.
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Put some miles on the x99s, here's what I think:
NOTE: This is coming directly of 101a Ricta Natural Slims (52mm Asta - hardest wheels I own and a terribly underrated wheel; they do wear much faster than anything else).
Out of the wrap the x99 are much whiter, they have an almost milky look them.
They still have that 'dragons/x97' feel, slightly bouncy and quiet (but less so in either) - they're noticeably harder, like going from a 99 to a 101, you can feel it when just rolling and for sure when sliding; they're louder compared to the other two and actually have some bark to them when speed checking or sliding.
I rode them in the same spots I rode Dragons and X97s (and spit 101/99 - Ricta 101)
They are ever so slightly less smooth than the 97a (and for sure Dragons)? But not enough to give a fuck on rough terrain or really notice tbh, it's so difficult to tell how much rebound you lose as they still roll over rough terrain with ease compared to a regs 99a or the x97; they actually have/produce 'chatter' on really chunky shit, where the 93/97 would be much more muted/softer. On smooth terrain they are just as smooth/quiet as the x97s but chirp more...less 'grrrrnnk' (93a/x97) and more 'scrriiiinch' (wheel sounds ;)).
Much less gummy on pinch grinds/5050, bluntslides were much, much more predictable (very very close to spit 99a fee)l - love'em or hate'em the 103a stf are bluntslide kings - faster overall than the 93/97 - AND, if you skated either of the other wheels you know that squeak when you grind? When you sort of 'bind the grind' Haven't heard it yet.
Park setting, I'd still opt for an SPF but that's me, I'd never touch a 99a in a park unless it's shit. Those of you that skate spit 99a in a smooth park setting these are still not the wheel for you but they are faster and overall better on smooth crete than the 93a /97a formulas.
x99 top / x97a bottom 9skated these 54s only a handful of times so they're not that yellow from age
(https://i.ibb.co/K0prJJM/IMG-4663.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K0prJJM)
I'd ride these over any 99a in the streets and would just say fuck it and ride them in a smooth park (just not for transition) just not to have to deal with swapping wheels.
Not sure why anyone would ever ride the current 99a STFs again; wouldn't be surprised if they toss out a 95a Dragon to sort of balance the options between the branding.
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Put some miles on the x99s, here's what I think:
NOTE: This is coming directly of 101a Ricta Natural Slims (52mm Asta - hardest wheels I own and a terribly underrated wheel; they do wear much faster than anything else).
Out of the wrap the x99 are much whiter, they have an almost milky look them.
They still have that 'dragons/x97' feel, slightly bouncy and quiet (but less so in either) - they're noticeably harder, like going from a 99 to a 101, you can feel it when just rolling and for sure when sliding; they're louder compared to the other two and actually have some bark to them when speed checking or sliding.
I rode them in the same spots I rode Dragons and X97s (and spit 101/99 - Ricta 101)
They are ever so slightly less smooth than the 97a (and for sure Dragons)? But not enough to give a fuck on rough terrain or really notice tbh, it's so difficult to tell how much rebound you lose as they still roll over rough terrain with ease compared to a regs 99a or the x97; they actually have/produce 'chatter' on really chunky shit, where the 93/97 would be much more muted/softer. On smooth terrain they are just as smooth/quiet as the x97s but chirp more...less 'grrrrnnk' (93a/x97) and more 'scrriiiinch' (wheel sounds ;)).
Much less gummy on pinch grinds/5050, bluntslides were much, much more predictable (very very close to spit 99a fee)l - love'em or hate'em the 103a stf are bluntslide kings - faster overall than the 93/97 - AND, if you skated either of the other wheels you know that squeak when you grind? When you sort of 'bind the grind' Haven't heard it yet.
Park setting, I'd still opt for an SPF but that's me, I'd never touch a 99a in a park unless it's shit. Those of you that skate spit 99a in a smooth park setting these are still not the wheel for you but they are faster and overall better on smooth crete than the 93a /97a formulas.
x99 top / x97a bottom 9skated these 54s only a handful of times so they're not that yellow from age
(https://i.ibb.co/K0prJJM/IMG-4663.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K0prJJM)
I'd ride these over any 99a in the streets and would just say fuck it and ride them in a smooth park (just not for transition) just not to have to deal with swapping wheels.
Not sure why anyone would ever ride the current 99a STFs again; wouldn't be surprised if they toss out a 95a Dragon to sort of balance the options between the branding.
I have to test these in a smooth but worn concrete park still but so far I echo everything you've said here.
Especially this:
I'd ride these over any 99a in the streets and would just say fuck it and ride them in a smooth park (just not for transition) just not to have to deal with swapping wheels
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Do they drag alot on transition? Why no transition? I mostly skate ledges but I’m just curious.
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Do they drag alot on transition? Why no transition? I mostly skate ledges but I’m just curious.
They don't drag persay, but overall Speed-wise, I'd rather an SPF on smooth park crete as it's the right tool for the job.
Dragons, X97/X99 are not smooth park wheels, it's the exact opposite of their intended use and not sure why people are looking at these for smooth park at all. Their formula was designed specifically for conquering crust.
That said, indoor slippery parks, I'd skate the x99.
But hey, && makes the formulas work everyday in Venice and that transition is pretty smooth/glassy (especially the snake run).
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I hope the color is close enough to F4 so I can continue to slowly use up my insane amount of big head stickers.
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I hope the color is close enough to F4 so I can continue to slowly use up my insane amount of big head stickers.
The closest spit would be the glow in the dark as they were much whiter than regular F4s, x99 are whiter than regs F4s tho.
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So I've ridden the X99 at all of my usual spots now.
The only place I didn't flat out love them was the indoor park. The place has a Berrics level smooth floor. That coupled with how these wheels handle rough ground they just felt like you were riding on air. It made them feel slow even though they weren't. It didn't affect how they actually performed though. All my tricks worked and I had a great session. It just felt strange for a bit until I got used to them.
Everywhere else from crusty streets to an outdoor concrete park these wheels felt and performed perfectly.
These edge out F4 99a as my all around wheel of choice now. While I definitely prefer the F4 at the smooth indoor park I skate there the least. Plus I got used to the feeling after a bit so if I want to skate that setup there the wheels are no issue.
These out perform F4 99a and 97a significantly on crusty ground. Are equal to F4 99a on smoother surfaces and absolutely demolish F4 97a on smoother surfaces. Bones really has a winner here.
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So I've ridden the X99 at all of my usual spots now.
The only place I didn't flat out love them was the indoor park. The place has a Berrics level smooth floor. That coupled with how these wheels handle rough ground they just felt like you were riding on air. It made them feel slow even though they weren't. It didn't affect how they actually performed though. All my tricks worked and I had a great session. It just felt strange for a bit until I got used to them.
Everywhere else from crusty streets to an outdoor concrete park these wheels felt and performed perfectly.
These edge out F4 99a as my all around wheel of choice now. While I definitely prefer the F4 at the smooth indoor park I skate there the least. Plus I got used to the feeling after a bit so if I want to skate that setup there the wheels are no issue.
These out perform F4 99a and 97a significantly on crusty ground. Are equal to F4 99a on smoother surfaces and absolutely demolish F4 97a on smoother surfaces. Bones really has a winner here.
Damn. That sounds really good. Do I really have to buy Bones wheels now? I really wouldn’t want to. :-\
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So I've ridden the X99 at all of my usual spots now.
The only place I didn't flat out love them was the indoor park. The place has a Berrics level smooth floor. That coupled with how these wheels handle rough ground they just felt like you were riding on air. It made them feel slow even though they weren't. It didn't affect how they actually performed though. All my tricks worked and I had a great session. It just felt strange for a bit until I got used to them.
Everywhere else from crusty streets to an outdoor concrete park these wheels felt and performed perfectly.
These edge out F4 99a as my all around wheel of choice now. While I definitely prefer the F4 at the smooth indoor park I skate there the least. Plus I got used to the feeling after a bit so if I want to skate that setup there the wheels are no issue.
These out perform F4 99a and 97a significantly on crusty ground. Are equal to F4 99a on smoother surfaces and absolutely demolish F4 97a on smoother surfaces. Bones really has a winner here.
Damn. That sounds really good. Do I really have to buy Bones wheels now? I really wouldn’t want to. :-\
Me neither but I dont know better and I already love my 97 spits so I stick to those for now. :)
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So I've ridden the X99 at all of my usual spots now.
The only place I didn't flat out love them was the indoor park. The place has a Berrics level smooth floor. That coupled with how these wheels handle rough ground they just felt like you were riding on air. It made them feel slow even though they weren't. It didn't affect how they actually performed though. All my tricks worked and I had a great session. It just felt strange for a bit until I got used to them.
Everywhere else from crusty streets to an outdoor concrete park these wheels felt and performed perfectly.
These edge out F4 99a as my all around wheel of choice now. While I definitely prefer the F4 at the smooth indoor park I skate there the least. Plus I got used to the feeling after a bit so if I want to skate that setup there the wheels are no issue.
These out perform F4 99a and 97a significantly on crusty ground. Are equal to F4 99a on smoother surfaces and absolutely demolish F4 97a on smoother surfaces. Bones really has a winner here.
Damn. That sounds really good. Do I really have to buy Bones wheels now? I really wouldn’t want to. :-\
If the product fits your needs who cares who makes it?
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Well, my DLX neck tat makes it sort of a conflict.
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Well, my DLX neck tat makes it sort of a conflict.
some guy at my local has a indy tattoo and skates aces now lol
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Well, my DLX neck tat makes it sort of a conflict.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HbnZreBFL-g/T7mDoxVkhuI/AAAAAAAATBw/6fVPhl3aXGQ/s1600/jtchrome.jpg)
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Well, my DLX neck tat makes it sort of a conflict.
You can have it covered with a big Vato rat.
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I've got a Spitfire tattoo that I covered with a Bones tattoo when STFs came out. And then I covered that tattoo with a Spitfire tattoo when Formula 4s came out. And now I gotta cover that tattoo with another Bones tattoo. When will it end?
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I've got a Spitfire tattoo that I covered with a Bones tattoo when STFs came out. And then I covered that tattoo with a Spitfire tattoo when Formula 4s came out. And now I gotta cover that tattoo with another Bones tattoo. When will it end?
If you did, you would have taken a photo every time. Please post them.
I’m a place in my life where I want to wear as little logo stuff as possible. I mean sure we shoot the shit about wheels and boards at the mini ramp, but I don’t really care about any brand enough that I want to label my body with their logo or likeness… without getting paid. And as a beginner in his 30’s I don’t ever expect that to happen.
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I've got a Spitfire tattoo that I covered with a Bones tattoo when STFs came out. And then I covered that tattoo with a Spitfire tattoo when Formula 4s came out. And now I gotta cover that tattoo with another Bones tattoo. When will it end?
lmao
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https://youtu.be/a4ms0L_J_Bg
Also what are these trucks????
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https://youtu.be/a4ms0L_J_Bg
Also what are these trucks????
powell prototypes
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Yeah been discussed and screenshotted in another thread - wheels thread
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So I've ridden the X99 at all of my usual spots now.
The only place I didn't flat out love them was the indoor park. The place has a Berrics level smooth floor. That coupled with how these wheels handle rough ground they just felt like you were riding on air. It made them feel slow even though they weren't. It didn't affect how they actually performed though. All my tricks worked and I had a great session. It just felt strange for a bit until I got used to them.
Everywhere else from crusty streets to an outdoor concrete park these wheels felt and performed perfectly.
These edge out F4 99a as my all around wheel of choice now. While I definitely prefer the F4 at the smooth indoor park I skate there the least. Plus I got used to the feeling after a bit so if I want to skate that setup there the wheels are no issue.
These out perform F4 99a and 97a significantly on crusty ground. Are equal to F4 99a on smoother surfaces and absolutely demolish F4 97a on smoother surfaces. Bones really has a winner here.
Damn. That sounds really good. Do I really have to buy Bones wheels now? I really wouldn’t want to. :-\
If the product fits your needs who cares who makes it?
Yeah. That’s how it should go. I’ve never enjoyed any Bones products except the Swiss bearings. I think the branding sucks. I don’t care for their team either. But indeed if the product is good enough I’m willing to overlook those things. I remember when they came out with the Easy Streets wheels some years ago there was a bunch of hype for those and I absolutely hated the wheels. Most unpredictable pieces of shits I’ve ever had. That also left a sour taste in my mouth. Still I guess I’ll give the X-formula and the Powell Dragon wheels a try at some point.
I’m not a big fan of the Spitfire branding either and the 80HD wheels were the biggest piece of shit cruiser wheels I’ve had. But other than those two things I love the brand and Formula Fours are such amazing wheels IMO that I haven’t even considered skating anything else for years.
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So I've ridden the X99 at all of my usual spots now.
The only place I didn't flat out love them was the indoor park. The place has a Berrics level smooth floor. That coupled with how these wheels handle rough ground they just felt like you were riding on air. It made them feel slow even though they weren't. It didn't affect how they actually performed though. All my tricks worked and I had a great session. It just felt strange for a bit until I got used to them.
Everywhere else from crusty streets to an outdoor concrete park these wheels felt and performed perfectly.
These edge out F4 99a as my all around wheel of choice now. While I definitely prefer the F4 at the smooth indoor park I skate there the least. Plus I got used to the feeling after a bit so if I want to skate that setup there the wheels are no issue.
These out perform F4 99a and 97a significantly on crusty ground. Are equal to F4 99a on smoother surfaces and absolutely demolish F4 97a on smoother surfaces. Bones really has a winner here.
Damn. That sounds really good. Do I really have to buy Bones wheels now? I really wouldn’t want to. :-\
If the product fits your needs who cares who makes it?
Exactly, and it's not like Bones wheels are made in China.
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I've got a Spitfire tattoo that I covered with a Bones tattoo when STFs came out. And then I covered that tattoo with a Spitfire tattoo when Formula 4s came out. And now I gotta cover that tattoo with another Bones tattoo. When will it end?
If you did, you would have taken a photo every time. Please post them.
I’m a place in my life where I want to wear as little logo stuff as possible. I mean sure we shoot the shit about wheels and boards at the mini ramp, but I don’t really care about any brand enough that I want to label my body with their logo or likeness… without getting paid. And as a beginner in his 30’s I don’t ever expect that to happen.
Sick brah
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I’m going to give the 99s a go. The 97 didn’t act like a brake on my local flat bar like the dragons did, but did drag a bit.
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So I've ridden the X99 at all of my usual spots now.
The only place I didn't flat out love them was the indoor park. The place has a Berrics level smooth floor. That coupled with how these wheels handle rough ground they just felt like you were riding on air. It made them feel slow even though they weren't. It didn't affect how they actually performed though. All my tricks worked and I had a great session. It just felt strange for a bit until I got used to them.
Everywhere else from crusty streets to an outdoor concrete park these wheels felt and performed perfectly.
These edge out F4 99a as my all around wheel of choice now. While I definitely prefer the F4 at the smooth indoor park I skate there the least. Plus I got used to the feeling after a bit so if I want to skate that setup there the wheels are no issue.
These out perform F4 99a and 97a significantly on crusty ground. Are equal to F4 99a on smoother surfaces and absolutely demolish F4 97a on smoother surfaces. Bones really has a winner here.
One thing that could get me back on F4s is something I can't test until winter. I've noticed that F4s are the most consistent wheels when it's freezing out. Several wheels I've tried are noticeable slower when it's really cold out, especially stuff from Creative. Hopefully the X99s stay consistent across temps
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I've got a Spitfire tattoo that I covered with a Bones tattoo when STFs came out. And then I covered that tattoo with a Spitfire tattoo when Formula 4s came out. And now I gotta cover that tattoo with another Bones tattoo. When will it end?
If you did, you would have taken a photo every time. Please post them.
I’m a place in my life where I want to wear as little logo stuff as possible. I mean sure we shoot the shit about wheels and boards at the mini ramp, but I don’t really care about any brand enough that I want to label my body with their logo or likeness… without getting paid. And as a beginner in his 30’s I don’t ever expect that to happen.
Sick brah
Yeah, I know no one asked. On the bright side now you know that logos are basically just advertising shit for free.
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For reference:
These are the new whiter X-graphic X97 next to STF 99A.
Both are V6 shape and X97 is 56 and STF is 54.
STF is from this winter, but haven’t seen a ton of use. Or sunlight.
(https://i.ibb.co/jRcqZrj/IMG-2509.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jRcqZrj)
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https://youtu.be/a4ms0L_J_Bg (https://youtu.be/a4ms0L_J_Bg)
Also what are these trucks? ???
Im into these for my shaped set ups, love the style of mini cubics but with a more realistic shape. Will rule on the Beamer.
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Totally. These are the ultimate old dude shaped deck/cruiser wheels. I've always been drawn to the shape of the cubics too - these are more practical. The X97 formula is superb too. The older guys at the park riding && decks will be stoked to see these!
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They are a Barrier Kult reference…..
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so whats the verdict on x97 vs x99
especially if you are familiar with f4 99a
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I've got a Spitfire tattoo that I covered with a Bones tattoo when STFs came out. And then I covered that tattoo with a Spitfire tattoo when Formula 4s came out. And now I gotta cover that tattoo with another Bones tattoo. When will it end?
Get a Ricta and OJ one to cancel out the Spitfire and Bones ones
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cross post from wheels thread about those weird andy anderson wheels:
Tried my set of sample andy anderson nano cubics today. They're cool, probably not gamechanging if you're not doing weird freestyle stuff though.
The bearing set offset is crazy it makes your trucks like a full size bigger. My thunder 149s looked like 151s. Great for cross pinching on round bars and chunky ledges, but honestly felt like too much truck room for a lot of tricks. You could probably down size your truck an entire size and then it would line up perfectly. I also wonder if the bearing seat offset would maybe put more stress on your bearings somehow.... hopefully not idk
Shape is nice, classic outside makes climbing onto hard slappies maybe a lil easier and inside locks well but I don't think its gamechanging at all.
97a formula is good its a harder dragon. But they seem to be a bit grippier when new, I think it will slowly wear in over the first few sessions or so but thats kind of annoying out the gate. Definitely still drag on grinds and slides compared to f4s, especially on metal and some other surfaces. Was doing some blunt/noseblunt tricks on this one box, and I had to keep waxing it every couple tries but it was going perfectly on my friends setup with f4s without nearly as much wax.
Still doesn't feel anything like a formula four which is the most satisfying sounding and feeling wheel to me, as long as the ground is decent.
I already have another setup with dragons on it for when I'm tired/sore and want to push less/have a smoother ride. In those cases I might as well just run 93s instead of this 97 middle ground. And f4s on my main setup which to me feels and sounds like a 'real skateboard'.
I can see some people being really hyped on these. But the part of me that cares about aesthetics just cant deal with them so I've listed them in the classifieds section if any of you are interested lol
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
I actually brought both setups out yesterday, 56mm 99a F4 Conical full's (prob down to 54-ish) and 54 X97 V6 (broken in but not as worn). At the park and on fairly smooth transition there's not much of a difference for holding speed, but I'll give F4's the edge. I could happily only skate the X97's here, but given the choice I prefer the harder feel of the spits, especially on coping. The X97's are way quieter, more rubbery, more like Dragons. Grip and slide were fine on both, predictable.
On the way home I stopped at a redeveloped area a buddy had told me about, hipster yuppie apartments and shops by the university. There's a big park "commons" area with a mix of asphalt, bricks, cobbles, slabs, tiles. Grabbed the F4 equipped board first and it was almost embarrassing how loud I was clattering through there, echoing off buildings. Spits were harsh af. Ok on the asphalt but I'd forgotten how brutal they were on cobbles. Cruised through again on the X97's and what a difference, much smoother, faster, and way quieter.
I'll keep skating 99a F4's at the park, but will be grabbing the X97's for street skating going forward. One thing to mention is that I'm 40, and try to be considerate of others using public spaces. There were families hanging out with kids and I felt like a douche clattering through there on the spits disturbing their lunches, the X97's were much more reasonable. I'll probably head back there with the Dragons this week and try them too. Lots of good ledges and small stair sets.
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https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-andy-anderson-nano-cubic-dragon-formula-skateboard-wheels-52mm-x-36mm-97a-4pk (https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-andy-anderson-nano-cubic-dragon-formula-skateboard-wheels-52mm-x-36mm-97a-4pk)
Saw that the nano cubes got listed. 36mm width is pretty nuts considering they're only 52mm. I hope the drag on slides/grinds is x97 level (not great but serviceable and better than the 93a dragons)
I'm torn between these and the v1 x99s but I have a feeling I'll try out these nano cubics bc I don't love the outer edge of the v6s I'm currently on
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https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-andy-anderson-nano-cubic-dragon-formula-skateboard-wheels-52mm-x-36mm-97a-4pk (https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-andy-anderson-nano-cubic-dragon-formula-skateboard-wheels-52mm-x-36mm-97a-4pk)
Saw that the nano cubes got listed. 36mm ride patch is pretty nuts considering they're only 52mm. I hope the drag on slides/grinds is x97 level (not great but serviceable and better than the 93a dragons)
I'm torn between these and the v1 x99s but I have a feeling I'll try out these nano cubics bc I don't love the outer edge of the v6s I'm currently on
I'm selling a set of 54mm samples in the classifieds if you're interested
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https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-andy-anderson-nano-cubic-dragon-formula-skateboard-wheels-52mm-x-36mm-97a-4pk (https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-andy-anderson-nano-cubic-dragon-formula-skateboard-wheels-52mm-x-36mm-97a-4pk)
I hope the drag on slides/grinds is x97 level (not great but serviceable and better than the 93a dragons
It's the same urethane as X97's
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https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-andy-anderson-nano-cubic-dragon-formula-skateboard-wheels-52mm-x-36mm-97a-4pk (https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-andy-anderson-nano-cubic-dragon-formula-skateboard-wheels-52mm-x-36mm-97a-4pk)
I hope the drag on slides/grinds is x97 level (not great but serviceable and better than the 93a dragons
It's the same urethane as X97's
Awesome, really appreciate the knowledge. Leaning towards these bc the cubic shape is pretty hilarious looking. Im still waiting to hear more feedback about the x99s before id snag these tho
@tzhangdox thanks for the heads up but I think I'm pretty set on the 52mm size wheel
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so whats the verdict on x97 vs x99
especially if you are familiar with f4 99a
x99>x97/spit 99a (for me)
x99 literally work everywhere spit 99s do with no downsides, and everywhere they don't.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
Nor mine, that post is straight BS, especially given his dragons experience.
To say the x97s don't handle crust better than spit 99s...or ANY 99s other than the x99 is complete and utter, uneducated BS'.
The amount of speed you lose on 99s, ANY 99s, on real crust, compared to the 97s is crazy.
Anyone that's ridden them on real crust will tell you this...if you don't think they worked better you really weren't skating crust, son.
Honestly, I don't think people understand the dragons/x97s at all, you don't buy them to ride them where you can easily ride a regular fucking 99 or 101, that includes park...they are not some magical wheel that works everywhere, they are made for where those wheels would never work/be a fucking chore to skate. If you are skating them on smooth surfaces you are sacrificing speed plain and simple (but they still work).
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Ya as much as I've complained about certain grinds/slides being more difficult with dragons/bones x formula on this forum over the past almost one year... all of them handle shitty ground better than 99a f4s (which are still my fav wheels nonetheless... haven't tried x99s)
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so whats the verdict on x97 vs x99
especially if you are familiar with f4 99a
x99>x97/spit 99a (for me)
x99 literally work everywhere spit 99s do with no downsides, and everywhere they don't.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
Nor mine, that post is straight BS, especially given his dragons experience.
To say the x97s don't handle crust better than spit 99s...or ANY 99s other than the x99 is complete and utter, uneducated BS'.
The amount of speed you lose on 99s, ANY 99s, on real crust, compared to the 97s is crazy.
Anyone that's ridden them on real crust will tell you this...if you don't think they worked better you really weren't skating crust, son.
Honestly, I don't think people understand the dragons/x97s at all, you don't buy them to ride them where you can easily ride a regular fucking 99 or 101, that includes park...they are not some magical wheel that works everywhere, they are made for where those wheels would never work/be a fucking chore to skate. If you are skating them on smooth surfaces you are sacrificing speed plain and simple (but they still work).
I’ve skated my 56mm X97 V6 for about two hours, and they’re practically still brand new. They’re starting to bark a little on reverts on smooth concrete which is nice.
I push to and fro our indoor on pretty rough asphalt and worn cement cobbles. And my experience skating these over my 57mm F4 99a Radials is night and day. These glide on crusty stuff in comparison.
On the smooth indoor concrete floors they’re awkwardly quiet, but I can deal with that.
In the wooden mini ramp, they’re just what I wanted. More grip for sure. On F4s I would sometimes slip out on a kick turn.
This is, for me, the best skate wheel. We’ll see if they harden up and get slippery on the wood when winter comes back around.
If I were to go street skating I’m confident this is the wheel to bring. Not counting a cruiser, I could see myself be a one-setup kinda guy now these exist.
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so whats the verdict on x97 vs x99
especially if you are familiar with f4 99a
x99>x97/spit 99a (for me)
x99 literally work everywhere spit 99s do with no downsides, and everywhere they don't.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
Nor mine, that post is straight BS, especially given his dragons experience.
To say the x97s don't handle crust better than spit 99s...or ANY 99s other than the x99 is complete and utter, uneducated BS'.
The amount of speed you lose on 99s, ANY 99s, on real crust, compared to the 97s is crazy.
Anyone that's ridden them on real crust will tell you this...if you don't think they worked better you really weren't skating crust, son.
Honestly, I don't think people understand the dragons/x97s at all, you don't buy them to ride them where you can easily ride a regular fucking 99 or 101, that includes park...they are not some magical wheel that works everywhere, they are made for where those wheels would never work/be a fucking chore to skate. If you are skating them on smooth surfaces you are sacrificing speed plain and simple (but they still work).
I’ve skated my 56mm X97 V6 for about two hours, and they’re practically still brand new. They’re starting to bark a little on reverts on smooth concrete which is nice.
I push to and fro our indoor on pretty rough asphalt and worn cement cobbles. And my experience skating these over my 57mm F4 99a Radials is night and day. These glide on crusty stuff in comparison.
On the smooth indoor concrete floors they’re awkwardly quiet, but I can deal with that.
In the wooden mini ramp, they’re just what I wanted. More grip for sure. On F4s I would sometimes slip out on a kick turn.
This is, for me, the best skate wheel. We’ll see if they harden up and get slippery on the wood when winter comes back around.
If I were to go street skating I’m confident this is the wheel to bring. Not counting a cruiser, I could see myself be a one-setup kinda guy now these exist.
Agreed, if I was only allowed one set of wheels period, it'd be the X97's. 99a F4's are miserable to cruise with, where I've actually taken my X97 board to walk the dog and enjoyed it. They're *almost* as good at the park, but I just love the feel of F4's enough to not totally say screw it and ditch them.
Do you find they collect dust at the indoor? Mine sure did last winter, made them a hazard on the skatelite ramp.
I don't know wtf is up with Powell/Bones distribution in Canada, but the X99's still aren't here. They're in Europe ffs but not Canada. I even bought some Swiss 6's for the first time to go in them.
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so whats the verdict on x97 vs x99
especially if you are familiar with f4 99a
x99>x97/spit 99a (for me)
x99 literally work everywhere spit 99s do with no downsides, and everywhere they don't.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
Nor mine, that post is straight BS, especially given his dragons experience.
To say the x97s don't handle crust better than spit 99s...or ANY 99s other than the x99 is complete and utter, uneducated BS'.
The amount of speed you lose on 99s, ANY 99s, on real crust, compared to the 97s is crazy.
Anyone that's ridden them on real crust will tell you this...if you don't think they worked better you really weren't skating crust, son.
Honestly, I don't think people understand the dragons/x97s at all, you don't buy them to ride them where you can easily ride a regular fucking 99 or 101, that includes park...they are not some magical wheel that works everywhere, they are made for where those wheels would never work/be a fucking chore to skate. If you are skating them on smooth surfaces you are sacrificing speed plain and simple (but they still work).
I’ve skated my 56mm X97 V6 for about two hours, and they’re practically still brand new. They’re starting to bark a little on reverts on smooth concrete which is nice.
I push to and fro our indoor on pretty rough asphalt and worn cement cobbles. And my experience skating these over my 57mm F4 99a Radials is night and day. These glide on crusty stuff in comparison.
On the smooth indoor concrete floors they’re awkwardly quiet, but I can deal with that.
In the wooden mini ramp, they’re just what I wanted. More grip for sure. On F4s I would sometimes slip out on a kick turn.
This is, for me, the best skate wheel. We’ll see if they harden up and get slippery on the wood when winter comes back around.
If I were to go street skating I’m confident this is the wheel to bring. Not counting a cruiser, I could see myself be a one-setup kinda guy now these exist.
Agreed, if I was only allowed one set of wheels period, it'd be the X97's. 99a F4's are miserable to cruise with, where I've actually taken my X97 board to walk the dog and enjoyed it. They're *almost* as good at the park, but I just love the feel of F4's enough to not totally say screw it and ditch them.
Do you find they collect dust at the indoor? Mine sure did last winter, made them a hazard on the skatelite ramp.
I don't know wtf is up with Powell/Bones distribution in Canada, but the X99's still aren't here. They're in Europe ffs but not Canada. I even bought some Swiss 6's for the first time to go in them.
Got my x99s rolling with Swiss 6 - so fricken good. I've got wheels/bearings/grip and trucks/bushings on lock, but the deck search continues. The x99s are truly that good; crazy what 2 duro can do with any wheel.
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so whats the verdict on x97 vs x99
especially if you are familiar with f4 99a
x99>x97/spit 99a (for me)
x99 literally work everywhere spit 99s do with no downsides, and everywhere they don't.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
Nor mine, that post is straight BS, especially given his dragons experience.
To say the x97s don't handle crust better than spit 99s...or ANY 99s other than the x99 is complete and utter, uneducated BS'.
The amount of speed you lose on 99s, ANY 99s, on real crust, compared to the 97s is crazy.
Anyone that's ridden them on real crust will tell you this...if you don't think they worked better you really weren't skating crust, son.
Honestly, I don't think people understand the dragons/x97s at all, you don't buy them to ride them where you can easily ride a regular fucking 99 or 101, that includes park...they are not some magical wheel that works everywhere, they are made for where those wheels would never work/be a fucking chore to skate. If you are skating them on smooth surfaces you are sacrificing speed plain and simple (but they still work).
I’ve skated my 56mm X97 V6 for about two hours, and they’re practically still brand new. They’re starting to bark a little on reverts on smooth concrete which is nice.
I push to and fro our indoor on pretty rough asphalt and worn cement cobbles. And my experience skating these over my 57mm F4 99a Radials is night and day. These glide on crusty stuff in comparison.
On the smooth indoor concrete floors they’re awkwardly quiet, but I can deal with that.
In the wooden mini ramp, they’re just what I wanted. More grip for sure. On F4s I would sometimes slip out on a kick turn.
This is, for me, the best skate wheel. We’ll see if they harden up and get slippery on the wood when winter comes back around.
If I were to go street skating I’m confident this is the wheel to bring. Not counting a cruiser, I could see myself be a one-setup kinda guy now these exist.
Agreed, if I was only allowed one set of wheels period, it'd be the X97's. 99a F4's are miserable to cruise with, where I've actually taken my X97 board to walk the dog and enjoyed it. They're *almost* as good at the park, but I just love the feel of F4's enough to not totally say screw it and ditch them.
Do you find they collect dust at the indoor? Mine sure did last winter, made them a hazard on the skatelite ramp.
I don't know wtf is up with Powell/Bones distribution in Canada, but the X99's still aren't here. They're in Europe ffs but not Canada. I even bought some Swiss 6's for the first time to go in them.
Got my x99s rolling with Swiss 6 - so fricken good. I've got wheels/bearings/grip and trucks/bushings on lock, but the deck search continues. The x99s are truly that goo; crazy what 2 duro can do with any wheel.
Which wheel shape are you riding??
Hyped on this feedback on the x99s. As someone who typically skates crust and found the x97s a very pleasant ride, I'm really looking forward to snagging a set for myself
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I tried the V1 shapes for one session. Felt bit smoother to roll on above than medium quality asphalt flat, but not significantly better. The board feel was bit too much on the numb side, and the actual dealbreaker was slappy nose- and tailslides. Felt like someone had put tar on wheel side of the curb. Back to F4 99s.
I'm sure these wheels are a great improvement option for someone, but not for me.
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so whats the verdict on x97 vs x99
especially if you are familiar with f4 99a
x99>x97/spit 99a (for me)
x99 literally work everywhere spit 99s do with no downsides, and everywhere they don't.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
Nor mine, that post is straight BS, especially given his dragons experience.
To say the x97s don't handle crust better than spit 99s...or ANY 99s other than the x99 is complete and utter, uneducated BS'.
The amount of speed you lose on 99s, ANY 99s, on real crust, compared to the 97s is crazy.
Anyone that's ridden them on real crust will tell you this...if you don't think they worked better you really weren't skating crust, son.
Honestly, I don't think people understand the dragons/x97s at all, you don't buy them to ride them where you can easily ride a regular fucking 99 or 101, that includes park...they are not some magical wheel that works everywhere, they are made for where those wheels would never work/be a fucking chore to skate. If you are skating them on smooth surfaces you are sacrificing speed plain and simple (but they still work).
I’ve skated my 56mm X97 V6 for about two hours, and they’re practically still brand new. They’re starting to bark a little on reverts on smooth concrete which is nice.
I push to and fro our indoor on pretty rough asphalt and worn cement cobbles. And my experience skating these over my 57mm F4 99a Radials is night and day. These glide on crusty stuff in comparison.
On the smooth indoor concrete floors they’re awkwardly quiet, but I can deal with that.
In the wooden mini ramp, they’re just what I wanted. More grip for sure. On F4s I would sometimes slip out on a kick turn.
This is, for me, the best skate wheel. We’ll see if they harden up and get slippery on the wood when winter comes back around.
If I were to go street skating I’m confident this is the wheel to bring. Not counting a cruiser, I could see myself be a one-setup kinda guy now these exist.
Agreed, if I was only allowed one set of wheels period, it'd be the X97's. 99a F4's are miserable to cruise with, where I've actually taken my X97 board to walk the dog and enjoyed it. They're *almost* as good at the park, but I just love the feel of F4's enough to not totally say screw it and ditch them.
Do you find they collect dust at the indoor? Mine sure did last winter, made them a hazard on the skatelite ramp.
I don't know wtf is up with Powell/Bones distribution in Canada, but the X99's still aren't here. They're in Europe ffs but not Canada. I even bought some Swiss 6's for the first time to go in them.
Got my x99s rolling with Swiss 6 - so fricken good. I've got wheels/bearings/grip and trucks/bushings on lock, but the deck search continues. The x99s are truly that goo; crazy what 2 duro can do with any wheel.
Which wheel shape are you riding??
Hyped on this feedback on the x99s. As someone who typically skates crust and found the x97s a very pleasant ride, I'm really looking forward to snagging a set for myself
Since I rode the v5 x97 in both 54 & 52mm I went 53mm v1s to have a thinner wheel and shave some weight on an 8.5 with 159 hollow royals.
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so whats the verdict on x97 vs x99
especially if you are familiar with f4 99a
x99>x97/spit 99a (for me)
x99 literally work everywhere spit 99s do with no downsides, and everywhere they don't.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
Nor mine, that post is straight BS, especially given his dragons experience.
To say the x97s don't handle crust better than spit 99s...or ANY 99s other than the x99 is complete and utter, uneducated BS'.
The amount of speed you lose on 99s, ANY 99s, on real crust, compared to the 97s is crazy.
Anyone that's ridden them on real crust will tell you this...if you don't think they worked better you really weren't skating crust, son.
Honestly, I don't think people understand the dragons/x97s at all, you don't buy them to ride them where you can easily ride a regular fucking 99 or 101, that includes park...they are not some magical wheel that works everywhere, they are made for where those wheels would never work/be a fucking chore to skate. If you are skating them on smooth surfaces you are sacrificing speed plain and simple (but they still work).
I’ve skated my 56mm X97 V6 for about two hours, and they’re practically still brand new. They’re starting to bark a little on reverts on smooth concrete which is nice.
I push to and fro our indoor on pretty rough asphalt and worn cement cobbles. And my experience skating these over my 57mm F4 99a Radials is night and day. These glide on crusty stuff in comparison.
On the smooth indoor concrete floors they’re awkwardly quiet, but I can deal with that.
In the wooden mini ramp, they’re just what I wanted. More grip for sure. On F4s I would sometimes slip out on a kick turn.
This is, for me, the best skate wheel. We’ll see if they harden up and get slippery on the wood when winter comes back around.
If I were to go street skating I’m confident this is the wheel to bring. Not counting a cruiser, I could see myself be a one-setup kinda guy now these exist.
Agreed, if I was only allowed one set of wheels period, it'd be the X97's. 99a F4's are miserable to cruise with, where I've actually taken my X97 board to walk the dog and enjoyed it. They're *almost* as good at the park, but I just love the feel of F4's enough to not totally say screw it and ditch them.
Do you find they collect dust at the indoor? Mine sure did last winter, made them a hazard on the skatelite ramp.
I don't know wtf is up with Powell/Bones distribution in Canada, but the X99's still aren't here. They're in Europe ffs but not Canada. I even bought some Swiss 6's for the first time to go in them.
Mine didn’t pick up much, but they’re barely worn in. Once I wear off the initial surface, I’m curious to find out if they will coat themselves just like my STFs.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
I actually brought both setups out yesterday, 56mm 99a F4 Conical full's (prob down to 54-ish) and 54 X97 V6 (broken in but not as worn). At the park and on fairly smooth transition there's not much of a difference for holding speed, but I'll give F4's the edge. I could happily only skate the X97's here, but given the choice I prefer the harder feel of the spits, especially on coping. The X97's are way quieter, more rubbery, more like Dragons. Grip and slide were fine on both, predictable.
On the way home I stopped at a redeveloped area a buddy had told me about, hipster yuppie apartments and shops by the university. There's a big park "commons" area with a mix of asphalt, bricks, cobbles, slabs, tiles. Grabbed the F4 equipped board first and it was almost embarrassing how loud I was clattering through there, echoing off buildings. Spits were harsh af. Ok on the asphalt but I'd forgotten how brutal they were on cobbles. Cruised through again on the X97's and what a difference, much smoother, faster, and way quieter.
I'll keep skating 99a F4's at the park, but will be grabbing the X97's for street skating going forward. One thing to mention is that I'm 40, and try to be considerate of others using public spaces. There were families hanging out with kids and I felt like a douche clattering through there on the spits disturbing their lunches, the X97's were much more reasonable. I'll probably head back there with the Dragons this week and try them too. Lots of good ledges and small stair sets.
Appreciate your input. Yeah, I don't know, maybe it was the huge difference of coming from Dragons to X97s on crust, I felt like I was on hard wheels again. I may have to do a test with F4s on the same spot and try the X97s again after that. It's just I was a bit shocked on how "normal" the X97s felt after hearing a lot of praise about how they perform on rough ground. Will give them a another chance for sure.
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Should probably post this straight to the Buyers' remorse thread, but anyway, tried the X97s on for the first time today, on rough asphalt and shitty, worn concrete. Boy, they pretty much felt like shit. They felt slow with no really noticeable improvement on crust handling compared to "normal" hard wheels (eg. F4 99). Powerslide was ok, but having said that, Dragons slide much better on rough asphalt.
As per rough terrain in general, gonna go back to Dragons instantly. To summarize, sadly I don't see any use for the X97s really – F4 99s will probably work just as good or even better if the ground isn't SUPER crusty.
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, your opinion is totally valid, but I've gotta say that it definitely doesn't match mine.
I actually brought both setups out yesterday, 56mm 99a F4 Conical full's (prob down to 54-ish) and 54 X97 V6 (broken in but not as worn). At the park and on fairly smooth transition there's not much of a difference for holding speed, but I'll give F4's the edge. I could happily only skate the X97's here, but given the choice I prefer the harder feel of the spits, especially on coping. The X97's are way quieter, more rubbery, more like Dragons. Grip and slide were fine on both, predictable.
On the way home I stopped at a redeveloped area a buddy had told me about, hipster yuppie apartments and shops by the university. There's a big park "commons" area with a mix of asphalt, bricks, cobbles, slabs, tiles. Grabbed the F4 equipped board first and it was almost embarrassing how loud I was clattering through there, echoing off buildings. Spits were harsh af. Ok on the asphalt but I'd forgotten how brutal they were on cobbles. Cruised through again on the X97's and what a difference, much smoother, faster, and way quieter.
I'll keep skating 99a F4's at the park, but will be grabbing the X97's for street skating going forward. One thing to mention is that I'm 40, and try to be considerate of others using public spaces. There were families hanging out with kids and I felt like a douche clattering through there on the spits disturbing their lunches, the X97's were much more reasonable. I'll probably head back there with the Dragons this week and try them too. Lots of good ledges and small stair sets.
Appreciate your input. Yeah, I don't know, maybe it was the huge difference of coming from Dragons to X97s on crust, I felt like I was on hard wheels again. I may have to do a test with F4s on the same spot and try the X97s again after that. It's just I was a bit shocked on how "normal" the X97s felt after hearing a lot of praise about how they perform on rough ground. Will give them a another chance for sure.
Speaking for the 99s they feel physically like a normal hard wheel compared dragons but they definitely are faster and hold speed longer than a regular 99. Riding 2 boards same surface same session it's a noticeable change between X99 and F4 99s
Dragons are excellent wheels but honestly I consider them more a Ricta Cloud competitor that slides not a hard wheel competitor.
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Got some X99 V5 in 53mm on the way, really curious about these.
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In update to my last post I've skated the 53mm V5 X99 on a variety of terrain lately but not insane crust. Most asphalt some of it rough getting to/from spots, concrete sidewalks/ground mostly decent, and my local skatepark, which is not too slippery.
Compared to a 53 F4 99 Radial these are a bit faster when the asphalt is rough, but it is really close. On cement I do not notice a speed difference and at my skatepark they aren't really much slower. Maybe take a firmer push or something? I don't carve bowls and mostly skate the ledges/boxes, small QP, and lately a flatbar. My main gripe with the Dragon and 97 was the drag on grinds, which still does exist but wayyyyy less. If the ledge is decently waxed it is not noticeable for me. When the park coping or a painted curb were dry I did get a squeal sound and rapid drag. I waxed those same things up and didn't have an issue. It is less of an issue than the Dragons or 97, but not so much that I would switch from one of those to these hoping it would disappear as those are simply faster on asphalt and anything remotely rough.
My main gripe, which is strange considering the Dragon and 97 is that these powerslide/revert worse for me, which is baffling since they're harder. This makes them a bit less fun to skate flatground on or at the park, but its not a deal breaker and I don't notice.
Overall I will likely go back to my F4 Radials for now. They are just as fast more or less on the roughest ground I skate and slide a bit better on the sides of ledges. They have a much wider contact patch than the V5 and I imagine that's why they feel close speed wise. A similar contact patch F4 99 would not be close to the X99 I can say that for sure. When I did have sticking I was on Indys and I compared with a friend's board on Thunders/F4 and his slid faster. I normally ride Thunders so with even less plate I'd have to worry about sticking on some of the drier places I skate. Not a huge issue if I can wax the side of the ledge, but personally I don't like being the one to have to wax shit up and "going even faster" just got me bucked on this same dry ledge with a nice celebratory squeal.
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Anyone tried spitfire 97a and x97? I'm curious if I should try spitfires 97a option after my x97 are done.
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Anyone tried spitfire 97a and x97? I'm curious if I should try spitfires 97a option after my x97 are done.
I have both, and for me, the spits just feel soft and a bit gummy. Like a basic 97a without any kind of other benefit.
X97 feel ‘lively’. To me they feel way faster (I think others have tested this), slide better, and just all round feel better.
The only downside to them (I’ve been told) is when they rub on unwaxed metal- the consensus is they are stickier.
But apart from some mini ramping (where I don’t notice it much) I don’t ride much metal coping, so I really enjoy them.
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How are pinched grinds on X99 compared to stf99? The X97 already (power)slide better than stf99, but the stf99 win in terms of grinding. Hoping the X99 are a lot better in that regard.
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I just got a set of x99. But I’ve only got one session in at a diy I can say they feel better rolling over stuff than my f4 99s but I can’t really say much as far as skating cause when I went it was crazy hot and I feel the ledge o went to skate was B sticky from melted wax on it. Hopefully this weekend I’ll get a better session in.
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How are pinched grinds on X99 compared to stf99? The X97 already (power)slide better than stf99, but the stf99 win in terms of grinding. Hoping the X99 are a lot better in that regard.
Not compared to STF99, but compared to F4 slightly worse. They still can squeal and slow down on coping and the cement I skated them on when it wasn't as waxed, but on well waxed surfaces I didn't notice much.
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Ok so I tested the X97s (54mm V5) for the second time today, this time at my local park which has rough asphalt and some concrete transitions.
Upon my first time on them about a month ago I wasn't too impressed, but this time they felt pretty great. They roll significantly faster and smoother on a rough surface compared to my regular F4 99s. The feel is similar to Dragons, but maybe a tad closer to a "real" wheel -- in a good way. Plus, they kinda felt just as fast on concrete as my regular 99s.
Overall I have to update my first impression on them in a big way. In a nutshell: a great wheel with a good range for various purposes and surfaces.
Edit: forgot to mention that they powerslide extremely well.
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As much as I clown on people who are going nuts over these wheels, I pushed around on go skate day with something very similar and it was rad…..I’m considering buying a set to swap out the few times a year I skate some rougher spots…..
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Skated 54mm X97's in the park the last couple days, medium smooth park yesterday and really smooth one today. Aside from the sound, which I'm getting used to, these things are great. They seem to hold speed close enough to 99a F4's that I don't notice a difference there, and they have more grip on smooth concrete.
It is pretty Impressive how much these things smooth out crust and cracks while still being buttery on power slides and reverts. Roll over death pebbles much better too.
It'd be nice if Bones/Powell did a wider range of shapes, I'd love a conical full X97.
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Skated 54mm X97's in the park the last couple days, medium smooth park yesterday and really smooth one today. Aside from the sound, which I'm getting used to, these things are great. They seem to hold speed close enough to 99a F4's that I don't notice a difference there, and they have more grip on smooth concrete.
It is pretty Impressive how much these things smooth out crust and cracks while still being buttery on power slides and reverts. Roll over death pebbles much better too.
It'd be nice if Bones/Powell did a wider range of shapes, I'd love a conical full X97.
They have the best range of shapes out, IMO, no overlap/very defined shape spectrum; tech to wide, no muss or fuss.
They make a V6 in both x97/99.
I've been on the x99s since they dropped and don't have any issues/concerns with them at all (stepping on spit 99s at the same spots was very jarrring).
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Skated 54mm X97's in the park the last couple days, medium smooth park yesterday and really smooth one today. Aside from the sound, which I'm getting used to, these things are great. They seem to hold speed close enough to 99a F4's that I don't notice a difference there, and they have more grip on smooth concrete.
It is pretty Impressive how much these things smooth out crust and cracks while still being buttery on power slides and reverts. Roll over death pebbles much better too.
It'd be nice if Bones/Powell did a wider range of shapes, I'd love a conical full X97.
They have the best range of shape out, IMO, very little overlap/very defined shape spectrum.
They make a V6 in both x97/99
That's what I'm on, but it's a way different shape than a conical full, more rounded with a much narrower contact patch. They've been nice and grippy though, so it's been a non-issue.
Edit to add- I agree, they do make great shapes, really like how much sidecut the V6's have, they just tend towards narrow. I wonder if they'll be adding any more shapes in the X97 formula?
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I think if Bones put out some 56m-60mm "fattie wheels" (think radial, conical and lock-in full) in X97 and X99 they would be super popular.
I mean even just larger V5 and V6 shapes would be great.
I saw OJ has a new "fattie" radial full type shape.
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Don't get me wrong, options are good! But I've always thought the Spit size shape/range is excessive (lock-in radial fulls lol); I think Bones just says one in each category is good 'enough' AND since they have less marketshare, that's the right way to go.
Ricta even more-so these days. Wide, Round, Medium, Slim (I do miss the super slim conical tho)
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Kind of silly but I'd like to see a X97 V3 54mm, haven't skated a super skinny wheel like the Autobahn Street Slim in years but it'd be fun to see if the new formula can compensate for a narrow riding patch.
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Kind of silly but I'd like to see a X97 V3 54mm, haven't skated a super skinny wheel like the Autobahn Street Slim in years but it'd be fun to see if the new formula can compensate for a narrow riding patch.
As a fellow v3 rider I’d love to see them in x99, until then, v1 will have to do.
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Don't get me wrong, options are good! But I've always thought the Spit size shape/range is excessive (lock-in radial fulls lol); I think Bones just says one in each category is good 'enough' AND since they have less marketshare, that's the right way to go.
Ricta even more-so these days. Wide, Round, Medium, Slim (I do miss the super slim conical tho)
Oh I get you for sure - I find the "full" range of wheels to be a bit tu meke. The only one I get with is F499 conical full.
Big and wide seems to be hot right now though. IME big isn't always better - I find radial fulls super clunky.
I do think a 58mm X97 or X99 would be fun. Very fast
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You are right - Bones have taken the one out of each category approach.
Makes sense.
Finally getting my X99's tomorrow. Can't wait
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I like the V5 shape but the V1 feel too narrow for me. The X99 in a Radial shape would be my ideal asphalt wheel. I like the compound but my F4 99 Radials feel just as fast and I can put up with the roughness to not have to swap for the park.
As someone who didn't enjoy dragons and was meh on the X97, the 99 is as close to ideal in this type of formula and they're really good wheels
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How are pinched grinds on X99 compared to stf99? The X97 already (power)slide better than stf99, but the stf99 win in terms of grinding. Hoping the X99 are a lot better in that regard.
Not compared to STF99, but compared to F4 slightly worse. They still can squeal and slow down on coping and the cement I skated them on when it wasn't as waxed, but on well waxed surfaces I didn't notice much.
I’m late to this x97 party. I’ve been on them for a few weeks and overall I have mixed emotions about them. Was falling in love until I decided to relearn Ollie-in crooks and variations thereof on ledges (as opposed to slappy varieties, which would be routine warm-up trick, and hasn’t resulted in chunking so far). It’s happened on concrete and metal grinding edges.
The inside of the “pinch” wheel just chunks out horrendously! It’s just disintegrating. Once the chunks start coming, it’s like there’s no way to stop it from falling apart.
Anyone else experiencing this? Is this a bug, or a feature of this wheel? I’ve got the x99 version on ice, about to move onto those.
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I’m curious to see a picture of the chunking.
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I’m curious to see a picture of the chun king.
Grabbed one from the net.
Here go.
(https://i.ibb.co/YP29spB/X97s-be-chunking.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S5NTCRw)
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I’m curious to see a picture of the chunking.
Same.
I'm guessing a bunk set, trolling or ollies into a trash metal edge with jaggies/shrapnel all over it, as I don't recall anyone complaining about chunking for any of the dragons/x9s.
My 93s/97s dragons and x99s have no chunks, ollies, slappies and heavy abuse.
Can we get some pics my dude?
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I had a friend that had some x97 chunk, but it was his fault for skating such a fucked up box. The angle iron was fairly sharp and had come up off the box a bit and woulda sliced any wheel.
FWIW I've been losing chunks out of my recent F4s a bunch lately mostly from our curb spot where the wheels slide on cement. This was the old F4/not as white one and I don't notice it when riding at all.
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I like the V5 shape but the V1 feel too narrow for me. The X99 in a Radial shape would be my ideal asphalt wheel. I like the compound but my F4 99 Radials feel just as fast and I can put up with the roughness to not have to swap for the park.
As someone who didn't enjoy dragons and was meh on the X97, the 99 is as close to ideal in this type of formula and they're really good wheels
Is V5’s not just side-cut V1’s?
Patches match size to size.
I’m holding out for some X97-X99 V4 or V6 52mm for a setup I want to try.
I’m kinda bummed they don’t make small diameter (center-set) wide wheels of the new formulas as of yet.
Better not hold my breath.
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I like the V5 shape but the V1 feel too narrow for me. The X99 in a Radial shape would be my ideal asphalt wheel. I like the compound but my F4 99 Radials feel just as fast and I can put up with the roughness to not have to swap for the park.
As someone who didn't enjoy dragons and was meh on the X97, the 99 is as close to ideal in this type of formula and they're really good wheels
Is V5’s not just side-cut V1’s?
Patches match size to size.
I’m holding out for some X97-X99 V4 or V6 52mm for a setup I want to try.
I’m kinda bummed they don’t make small diameter (center-set) wide wheels of the new formulas as of yet.
Better not hold my breath.
I think the v5s are a little wider overall, but pretty slim riding surface like the v1s.
I kind of think of v5s like a very tapered spitfire conical
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After a long time on Spitfire shapes the Bones V5 seemed narrow to me at first, but now after being on X97s (really like them) for a while I've grown fond of the shape. Feels light and maneuverable. The normal Spits (apart from smaller Classics) seems bulky after riding V5.
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After a long time on Spitfire shapes the Bones V5 seemed narrow to me at first, but now after being on X97s (really like them) for a while I've grown fond of the shape. Feels light and maneuverable. The normal Spits (apart from smaller Classics) seems bulky after riding V5.
Their V5 seems like the best seller overall, or maybe that is the one they push the most.
I have had V4 and V6 which are more like Classic and Classic Full shapes which I quite enjoy, especially in the bigger sizes, but the V1 and V5 also work well on most terrain for pretty much everyone who does ride Bones as their wheel of choice.
Some of the wheel shapes used to come in bigger sizes, which were wider too, but it seems they are harder to come by now, most only going up to 54 or 56 mm in the wider or rounder profiles.
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I’m curious to see a picture of the chunking.
Same.
I'm guessing a bunk set, trolling or ollies into a trash metal edge with jaggies/shrapnel all over it, as I don't recall anyone complaining about chunking for any of the dragons/x9s.
My 93s/97s dragons and x99s have no chunks, ollies, slappies and heavy abuse.
Can we get some pics my dude?
Yes I will. I need to learn how to post photos. Thanks. I’ll be back. Moving day/weekend so I got sidetracked.
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Rode a friend's setup with x99 and I was pleasantly surprised T how well they handled rough ground, didn't get any slides I. But he said they felt fast but not icy like 103a.
Would love to see the x99 in a V3 54mm - skinny technical wheel that can handle rougher ground would be a dream.
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The V5 is [my] second only to v3 favorite wheel shape, and yeah it makes spit classics feel like giant golf balls after riding them for so long.
I went x99 V1 just to change it up and reduce some weight on a bigger setup.
A x99 V3 would be sick, but I'm not sure it would be worth the cost to make seeing as how it's probably not a big seller and certainly not for this type of urethane.
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I'm probably in the minority here so I doubt there's a market for thid, but I'd like to see the new nano cubics shape in a 54mm and 99x instead of 97x dragon (?, It feels like 97x tbh and slides/feels great). I actually like the overextended round edges for slappies and the slim inside edge gives you a bit more hanger space.
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Up in Northern Europe, still no signs of the X99 in shops. Any ideas when it will hit the Euro market?
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Up in Northern Europe, still no signs of the X99 in shops. Any ideas when it will hit the Euro market?
They been here for some time now, I'm pretty sure that big online shops have X99 available. Titus, Skatedeluxe or BlueTomato all ship to Northern Europe.
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Up in Northern Europe, still no signs of the X99 in shops. Any ideas when it will hit the Euro market?
Ah, gotcha, I did a quick search for "X99" but actually seem to be listed with "X-formula" and other similar strings. Upon closer inspection found some on Skatedeluxe and Blue Tomato.
However, as I prefer to support my locals, I'll be happy to wait.
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Anyone here try both the x97 and x99 at a slippery indoor and compare their ability to prevent sliding all over the place? Dragons were my remedy last winter but they are still a little limiting and I'm trying to equip my set-up with something truly all-terrain that can include even a dusty indoor.
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Anyone here try both the x97 and x99 at a slippery indoor and compare their ability to prevent sliding all over the place? Dragons were my remedy last winter but they are still a little limiting and I'm trying to equip my set-up with something truly all-terrain that can include even a dusty indoor.
I have F499a, STF99 and X97. Spits super icy. STFs are unpredictable. They feel good and grippy on plywood, and then when they gather some dust, can lose traction.
X97, so far, have treated me really good. Don’t have many hours on them yet, but they seem to have enough grip, and don’t gather as much dirt and dust as STF. Also, the only wheel that is possible to ride to/from my indoor.
They’re eerily quiet on smooth concrete floors, but they revert and slide when you need them to. To me, just a tad more grip in these kinds of situations. It give me more confidence.
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Anyone here try both the x97 and x99 at a slippery indoor and compare their ability to prevent sliding all over the place? Dragons were my remedy last winter but they are still a little limiting and I'm trying to equip my set-up with something truly all-terrain that can include even a dusty indoor.
TBH, New X99 is LESS slippy than Dragons when they are new. I still have the ridges on one set of Dragons and cess slides can get out of control on transition. You pretty much have 50% or so surface area (contact) while the ridges are present. My X99 are V6 which have a wider ride patch. Zero ice on concrete and skatelite. X99 were smooth and no ridges.
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Anyone here try both the x97 and x99 at a slippery indoor and compare their ability to prevent sliding all over the place? Dragons were my remedy last winter but they are still a little limiting and I'm trying to equip my set-up with something truly all-terrain that can include even a dusty indoor.
TBH, New X99 is LESS slippy than Dragons when they are new. I still have the ridges on one set of Dragons and cess slides can get out of control on transition. You pretty much have 50% or so surface area (contact) while the ridges are present. My X99 are V6 which have a wider ride patch. Zero ice on concrete and skatelite. X99 were smooth and no ridges.
Are your dragons some older prototypes? I don't think the newer ones have ridges
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Anyone here try both the x97 and x99 at a slippery indoor and compare their ability to prevent sliding all over the place? Dragons were my remedy last winter but they are still a little limiting and I'm trying to equip my set-up with something truly all-terrain that can include even a dusty indoor.
TBH, New X99 is LESS slippy than Dragons when they are new. I still have the ridges on one set of Dragons and cess slides can get out of control on transition. You pretty much have 50% or so surface area (contact) while the ridges are present. My X99 are V6 which have a wider ride patch. Zero ice on concrete and skatelite. X99 were smooth and no ridges.
Prob just some older stock. When I bought my set in... June I think? The shop had two sets of 56mm with ridges and two without. I bought smooth ones and haven't found them slippery. Still prefer X97s, but Dragons are great.
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You're right, I think it was old stock. I got 64mm Dragons and don't remember ridges on my 1st set (which oddly were purchased on 1st day of release) Got the 2nd set from a skateshop and the ridges makes the wheel like banana peels.
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Anyone here try both the x97 and x99 at a slippery indoor and compare their ability to prevent sliding all over the place? Dragons were my remedy last winter but they are still a little limiting and I'm trying to equip my set-up with something truly all-terrain that can include even a dusty indoor.
TBH, New X99 is LESS slippy than Dragons when they are new. I still have the ridges on one set of Dragons and cess slides can get out of control on transition. You pretty much have 50% or so surface area (contact) while the ridges are present. My X99 are V6 which have a wider ride patch. Zero ice on concrete and skatelite. X99 were smooth and no ridges.
I've had the same experience with the X99 and they're not getting any more slippery. Sucks as I liked that about the 93 and 97- soft but still slid. Edit this is all on cement and asphalt
V5 shape is great. If that shape was in F4 its all I'd ride.
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So is the consensus that the x99 are actually less slippery at a dusty indoor than the dragons or the x97's? That would be surprising.
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I’ve skated dragons, x97s and x99s, 99% of the time (exclusively) since each launched.
In the streets x99s slide the best of them all and I wouldn’t consider any of them slippery. BUT they can break free on super rough terrain with speed speed wobble speeds), which is weird as fuck…it’s like the compound says “oooh going too fast on rough terrain where you’d normally stick and get pitched…? I got you and goes into seemingly hover mode.
I’ve not tried them in a dusty park.
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How long did your 99 take to slide @Xen ?
My friend has some work in 97s and we were skating together and he also agreed my 99 don't slide for shit if you try to just powerslide or speed check. It was something I liked about the other formulas. If they did revert and slide as well as the 97s I'd leave them on at this point.
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Do the X99 feel faster on glass-smooth skateparks than F4 99a to anyone else?
These V1s are just slightly smaller in diameter than the classics I’ve been riding, but they definitely feel faster on the 1 year old park. :o
1st session they messed with my pop a bit and I’m still tuning the slide, if I figure out how to work them in the smooth park I might be done with F4 for a while.
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absolutely not. My 52 Classics feel faster than 53 X99 V5
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absolutely not. My 52 Classics feel faster than 53 X99 V5
These things hurting my brain a little. The contact patches are basically identical and the wheels are within like a half mil now that I’m looking at both. I did not have to push once on one of my warm up lines that occasionally needs one strong one with F4. I haven’t had a “serious” session on them yet so I’ll have to see how they feel over the next few weekends.
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I've skated this same park probably 150 times over the last year. I know exactly where to pump and how much I push for almost everything. The difference is slight, and when the coping isn't really sauced the X grind a bit slower near the end of a grind or slide. That actually doesn't bother me as much as it did on Dragons, but for a few lines I do find them a bit slower, but not by much. As I said if they reverted and slid the same as the other formulas I would just ignore this so I don't need to change wheels for a really rough park and slappy spot that I have been going to more lately.
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How long did your 99 take to slide @Xen ?
My friend has some work in 97s and we were skating together and he also agreed my 99 don't slide for shit if you try to just powerslide or speed check. It was something I liked about the other formulas. If they did revert and slide as well as the 97s I'd leave them on at this point.
Just a few sessions really (53mm V1s)? For the first few days on any wheel I don't powerslide/revert (unless I have too) or speed check for fear of flatting them.
They're my favorite out of the bunch...and again, no problems sliding any of the drag/xs on rough/crappy/non-ideal terrain (all I skate them on). YMMV if you are skating normal to smooth stuff.
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Damn, I got them to be just a slightly harder/less grabby X97 but I think I like the 97s more actually.
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Did 2 sessions on a new set of X97 54mm V5 and I'm impressed. They felt a little gummy for the first few minutes but hardened up, or maybe I just adjusted to them. Biggest adjustment was getting used to how much faster and smoother I was rolling. Some slow down on slides / grinds initially but after they got a bit of wax on them there was zero stick, while not being slippery even with some wax on them.
I skated 2 parks with rough concrete and these handle every rough patch near the ledges with little slow down, with my previous Dialtone 54mm Classics (Creative urethane I believe) I needed an extra 2 pushes to maintain my speed towards the ledge.
Happy that I went with the X97 over the X99 - I believe the X97 is a better all rounder especially for street spots while the X99 is better for park with some rough patches, similar to F4 99a / 101a are. The X99 on a friends board strangely felt bouncier than the X97.
Less importantly - I like the simple black graphic and text on the older X97 models, still graphics side in and the off-white and black is a sweet contrast when I look down at my setup.
I'd like to compare the ride with some F4 99a Classics I have on ice, but my gut and recency bias says the X97 would be the better wheel.
TLDR - X97 are good shit.
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X97s sure are good shit. Obviously they're great on rough outdoors (asphalt, rough concrete) as mentioned here numerous times, but I've ridden them in my dusty local indoor (smooth concrete flat + plywood transitions) recently and the performance is solid. No problems powersliding on smooth concrete, doesn't slip out easily on plywood. Speed? Not quite up to par with F4 99s, but that should come as no surprise. A great all-around indoor park wheel if you want a bit a safer option as per F4s.
Having said that, if I want to go full gnar and have as much speed as possible at the said indoor, I still choose F4 99s at the risk of slipping out sometimes, as they undeniably are f*cking fast.
CAVEAT: still to try my new X99 55s at the same indoor. Very interested, will report back soon.
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I'm probably in the minority here so I doubt there's a market for thid, but I'd like to see the new nano cubics shape in a 54mm and 99x instead of 97x dragon (?, It feels like 97x tbh and slides/feels great). I actually like the overextended round edges for slappies and the slim inside edge gives you a bit more hanger space.
Looks like new sizes are coming, but they’re going the other way on durometer and bringing them out in the 93A (probably because they’re marketed as Dragon formula instead of X)
https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-wheels/nano-cubic (https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-wheels/nano-cubic)
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I'm probably in the minority here so I doubt there's a market for thid, but I'd like to see the new nano cubics shape in a 54mm and 99x instead of 97x dragon (?, It feels like 97x tbh and slides/feels great). I actually like the overextended round edges for slappies and the slim inside edge gives you a bit more hanger space.
Looks like new sizes are coming, but they’re going the other way on durometer and bringing them out in the 93A (probably because they’re marketed as Dragon formula instead of X)
https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-wheels/nano-cubic (https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-wheels/nano-cubic)
Well that's annoying, I guess they figure the old guy market has deeper pockets. This old guy wants 97's dammit! *shakes fist at clouds*
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I'm probably in the minority here so I doubt there's a market for thid, but I'd like to see the new nano cubics shape in a 54mm and 99x instead of 97x dragon (?, It feels like 97x tbh and slides/feels great). I actually like the overextended round edges for slappies and the slim inside edge gives you a bit more hanger space.
Looks like new sizes are coming, but they’re going the other way on durometer and bringing them out in the 93A (probably because they’re marketed as Dragon formula instead of X)
https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-wheels/nano-cubic (https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-wheels/nano-cubic)
To be fair, they are a {nano} Cubic, Cubic being under the powell branding from day one.
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Rode my 55mm X99s (V5 shape) today for the first time, at my local dusty and slippery indoor park (concrete floor, plywood transitions and obstacles from pyramids to ditches to miniramps and what have you).
To start the session I rode my 55mmm F4 Radials for a while to get a fresh comparison. As expected, they were fast but had the potential to slide out easily. Not a huge problem, but I don't like the super icy feeling when going as fast as possible around corners and bigger transitions.
Then I swapped to the X99s.
In a nutshell, they are f*cking great. A lot less slippery than F4s, I could push on the transitions with more confidence. And they felt fast, almost as fast as the F4s. And they powerslide just fine, absolutely no problem.
They have a sound (not all quiet like e.g. Dragons), but it's different and "softer" than on F4s -- but for me this wasn't anything distracting. They sound like real wheels.
Grinds work fine, too. Just one session in, though -- I have to test them grind-wise more, but there was no substantial stickiness. A different, a tiny bit "slower" grind on metal coping, but nothing critical.
Overall, very happy with these wheels. Looks like they'll be my winter indoor top pick. Bones have really achieved something recently.
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I'm starting to think more and more that my pair is bunk. They sound gummier than the Dragons or 97, slide worse, and make little to no noise when powersliding. Your experience sounds like what I'm looking for.
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I'm starting to think more and more that my pair is bunk. They sound gummier than the Dragons or 97, slide worse, and make little to no noise when powersliding. Your experience sounds like what I'm looking for.
Hmm, interesting. To be honest, I did not find a world of difference between X97 and X99 based on this one session. I don't know if it's a placebo effect or similar, though, but I kinda felt the X99s were faster.
And they don't make a whole lot of noise when powersliding, but there is a noise. I mean, like the X97s, the X99s feel like "real wheels" as compared to Dragons, which I just cannot do on smooth surfaces.
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Did you skate the x97 at the dusty indoor too? Curious if they offer just that slight bit of extra grip. The way I skate, I'm a slalom wiggler a lot of times when I'm flowing around transition and in general just way too aggressive in my leg power for indoor parks. Dragons were the first wheel that allowed me to finally not absolutely hate skating indoor parks and actually get some grip. I can actually relax my lower half and not be constantly ready to slip out suddenly. Always makes my lower back and butt ache at the end of sessions from tensing up so much. Would just be cool to skate a harder wheel if possible, and still get a safer roll like dragons with that grip.
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Did you skate the x97 at the dusty indoor too? Curious if they offer just that slight bit of extra grip. The way I skate, I'm a slalom wiggler a lot of times when I'm flowing around transition and in general just way too aggressive in my leg power for indoor parks. Dragons were the first wheel that allowed me to finally not absolutely hate skating indoor parks and actually get some grip. I can actually relax my lower half and not be constantly ready to slip out suddenly. Always makes my lower back and butt ache at the end of sessions from tensing up so much. Would just be cool to skate a harder wheel if possible, and still get a safer roll like dragons with that grip.
Yeah I did skate the X97 at the same indoor, and the grip is pretty similar. I mean, both wheels provide plenty of grip as compared to "normal" hard wheels.
If you're happy with Dragons, stay on them, but I'd be ready to wage you would enjoy the X97s as well. Neither of the Bones X's have slipped out on me so far.
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Just to add -- I had a second dusty indoor sesh with my 55mm X99s and they are here to stay. Pretty much perfect wheels for all-around indoor park skating. Did more grinds today, 50-50s on a ledge worked well + got an especially sweeet f/s 5-0 on a tranny and the wheels did not stick one bit. Friend of mine was struggling on trannies with his F4 99s, he was slipping out constantly.
Liking these wheels a whole lot.
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I skated the X99 at the Ocean Beach skatepark today which is old, fucking rough, and the coping is very sticky. Wheels were squealing like crazy on the coping, but they definitely smooth out the rest of the park.
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I'm starting to think more and more that my pair is bunk. They sound gummier than the Dragons or 97, slide worse, and make little to no noise when powersliding. Your experience sounds like what I'm looking for.
Maybe you're right, which x99s did you get? V5 right, what graphics? Maybe someone else can confirm? I'm on 53mm V1s with the 'butterfly effect' graphic.
Not a dig, but perhaps it's just that your expectations aren't being met (or haven't since dragons) because you are not willing to give them slack for what they really are/do, compared to what you are used to and what you want them to be? Your 'sticky grind' experience has tainted you (just being real here). I just don't think these wheels are for you (and you should let it go =). It's like me skating thunders...I try and try but they just ain't it.
Where are you riding them/what are you riding them on? Bearings? How old? How loose? How lubed? We all know that shit can deaden a wheel (and for real, these do sound like a dead wheel at times).
The x99 will never be a replacement for those that love 99a spits, you are sacrificing: speed (marginal), chirp and arguably slide (on smooth terrain) at the cost of more rebound on rough terrain.
After skating these on trash terrain there is no way I could go back to a spit 99a.
I skated the X99 at the Ocean Beach skatepark today which is old, fucking rough, and the coping is very sticky. Wheels were squealing like crazy on the coping, but they definitely smooth out the rest of the park.
So blame the sticky coping, not the wheel? The wheels ARE stickier than spits...spits = not sticky = easier on sticky coping...stiickier wheel = more sticky on sticky coping...
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Well to be fair bones marketing says these skate just like a hard wheel but ride like a soft wheel... but if they're sticking on sticky coping that spitfires of the same duro has no issue with... then its fair to be a little peeved at that.
I've not tried the x99s, but x97s and dragons definitely grind slower and more unpredictably on metal coping. Been skating a lot of round rails lately and there's tricks I would be a lot more reluctant to try if I had x97s or dragons on vs f4s.
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I'm starting to think more and more that my pair is bunk. They sound gummier than the Dragons or 97, slide worse, and make little to no noise when powersliding. Your experience sounds like what I'm looking for.
Maybe you're right, which x99s did you get? V5 right, what graphics? Maybe someone else can confirm? I'm on 53mm V1s with the 'butterfly effect' graphic.
Not a dig, but perhaps it's just that your expectations aren't being met (or haven't since dragons) because you are not willing to give them slack for what they really are/do, compared to what you are used to and what you want them to be? Your 'sticky grind' experience has tainted you (just being real here). I just don't think these wheels are for you (and you should let it go =). It's like me skating thunders...I try and try but they just ain't it.
Where are you riding them/what are you riding them on? Bearings? How old? How loose? How lubed? We all know that shit can deaden a wheel (and for real, these do sound like a dead wheel at times).
The x99 will never be a replacement for those that love 99a spits, you are sacrificing: speed (marginal), chirp and arguably slide (on smooth terrain) at the cost of more rebound on rough terrain.
After skating these on trash terrain there is no way I could go back to a spit 99a.
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I skated the X99 at the Ocean Beach skatepark today which is old, fucking rough, and the coping is very sticky. Wheels were squealing like crazy on the coping, but they definitely smooth out the rest of the park.
So blame the sticky coping, not the wheel? The wheels ARE stickier than spits...spits = not sticky = easier on sticky coping...stiickier wheel = more sticky on sticky coping...
Bearings are Quantum Fusions, lubed about 2 weeks ago, and spin super fast. My X99 feel specifically more gummy and sticky than the X97 I have, which is the weird part. I expected them to feel less sticky since they are harder, but they slide/revert worse. I got them when they first dropped in the 53mm V5 shape and the graphic has some Easter Island looking heads on it.
I obviously expect the wheels to be stickier than a Spitfire. That comes with the territory. What I've been saying in my past few posts is that I did not expect them to be stickier than the X97, which I have skated at all the same spots. In particular the 99 squeal more on the same coping and curbs, which is strange, but not as much on waxed angle iron.
Make no mistake I am not rehashing the old arguments about Dragons. I think for whatever reason my X99 feel "off" compared to other reports. I am totally fine with them having some shortcomings in certain areas. At a smoother park they feel almost as fast as the worn 52mm Classics I normally ride and way better than Dragons. What I am disappointed by is that they slide worse than the 97's, revert worse than the Dragons and 97s, and are not faster than my 53 F4 Radials. I think if anything I shoulda just stuck with the 97's OR maybe these are a subpar set of the 99.
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How old/many sessions on your x97s vs the x99s?
For me it was the bluntslide test, 93/x97s it wasn't happening unless the wax was fresh, with the 99s I can do them as normal and not worry about sticking by comparison (still worse than 103b STFs tho for that trick...just sit and sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide for days).
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X97 I put 3 longer sessions on, the 99 have about 6 sessions total with about 12-13hrs of skating. So, more than the 97 had. One spot I skate is your standard red curbs and the 99 actually squeal on them like the Dragons did, 97s didn't make as much noise there. With the 93/97 I could still revert stuff on flat a bit or break into a slide, but on these it feels more sluggish. I gave away my 97s but wish I woulda kept them. My goal with the 99 was to just keep em on cuz my normal park has coping that is always sauced and I can wax up other spots. One spot in particular is a slight uphill to skate the curb backside/fakie so they're really nice for that asphalt and just pushing less over a few hours. My asphalt in front of my house got rougher after last winter too so I would have more fun skating at home.
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X97 I put 3 longer sessions on, the 99 have about 6 sessions total with about 12-13hrs of skating. So, more than the 97 had. One spot I skate is your standard red curbs and the 99 actually squeal on them like the Dragons did, 97s didn't make as much noise there. With the 93/97 I could still revert stuff on flat a bit or break into a slide, but on these it feels more sluggish. I gave away my 97s but wish I woulda kept them. My goal with the 99 was to just keep em on cuz my normal park has coping that is always sauced and I can wax up other spots. One spot in particular is a slight uphill to skate the curb backside/fakie so they're really nice for that asphalt and just pushing less over a few hours. My asphalt in front of my house got rougher after last winter too so I would have more fun skating at home.
Your experience with the X99 sounds weird. I've had absolutely no problems reverting stuff or doing anything else for that matter. "Sluggish" is not the word I'd use for them.
Did you try them out on smooth/slippery ground like dusty concrete or plywood?
But yeah, who knows, it's possible that there are defective sets out there. I dunno.
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I've been having some bad wheel madness for the last few months since I first tested out the dragons earlier this year.
My daily driver before the dragons was spits f4 58 mil classics that I rode down to 50s.
I bought a set of Dragons in 56mm as a stop-gap while looking for another set of the same spitfires. I was never able to switch back, even after getting another set of those same spitfires I was riding for like 5 years, they were just wayy too hard and just didn't cut it if I couldn't ride them to the park, only at the park and even then I think I forgot how rough my local is and I felt so damn slow it just frustrated me, not worth it.
Anyway, I read through this whole thread trying to figure out if I wanted to test out the x97s, x99s, 97 f4 or 99 f4 in a wider shape.
I finally landed on the x99s in the v6 shape. I just got them as a christmas gift.
I set them up today but have to wait for a dry day to take them around town and to a park to give them the test I want to do, but once I've ridden them a bit I'll come back to write up my thoughts.
Anyway I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that put down some reviews for fueling my wheel madness and helping me come to at least a next step.
The things I really want to know with these wheels are how they handle shit sidewalk and street, and if they will let me get back to doing bluntslides. I had to put learning back bluntslides on complete pause while I was only riding dragons and I really want to get back to it.
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My daily driver before the dragons was spits f4 58 mil classics that I rode down to 50s.
How long did you take to wear them down 8mm?
Been tempted to give F4 another go but the X97 have been nothing but good to me. So continues the madness.
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I think when these wheels were engineered….the focus was wheels sliding on the ground which is why they were first marketed to longboarders……
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Lol anyone remember the ricta slix which apparently had hard tpu on the sidewalls to make them grind faster?
https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2018/06/07/ricta-wheels-new-slix-crystal-slix/
If the bones x-formula wheels had those on both sides, I'd probably jump right on. Then get the wax out for blunt/lipslides.
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My daily driver before the dragons was spits f4 58 mil classics that I rode down to 50s.
How long did you take to wear them down 8mm?
Been tempted to give F4 another go but the X97 have been nothing but good to me. So continues the madness.
I think it took about 4 and a half years
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Skating some x99 V6 at the moment. They seem to be rolling really well on rougher ground, but not sure if that's because they are 54mm (I'm used to slightly smaller). They slide verry good but feel like softer wheels, they don't make much noise on smooth concrete.
What wheel would you suggest on cobblestone surface? I'm my city it's mainly cobble stone pavement. So far I think hard and wide such as 101 f4 wide has worked the best. Maybe because its less bouncy, faster due to hardness and wider? Still haven't cracked it
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I got x99 and one skate sent me back to x97. They just don’t do anything much better than x97.
And if I wanted wheels that slide better, I’d go back to F4. In the RADIAL SLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HEAR ME DLX?!!
I don’t blunt slide anymore, and the little ground ones I can push through with both x99 or x97… they felt the same to me. And the x97 handles the crusties better and quieter and less rattly.
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Been skating the Xformula 97 54mm rollersufer pros and I must say they are quite nice. I’m usually a spitfire guy and would ride any other wheel besides bones but I guess I’m a Bones Wheels guy now lol
I skate outside mostly, not too many polished parks in my area but went to a local indoor and I felt way more confident and connected to my board. Makes me wanna go to indoors more often.
Kinda wanna try dragons but 93 seems too soft…
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I got x99 and one skate sent me back to x97. They just don’t do anything much better than x97.
And if I wanted wheels that slide better, I’d go back to F4. In the RADIAL SLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HEAR ME DLX?!!
I don’t blunt slide anymore, and the little ground ones I can push through with both x99 or x97… they felt the same to me. And the x97 handles the crusties better and quieter and less rattly.
They do blunt slide better/easier =D for other slide trucks they def don't stick as much as the x97s, you can really feel it on nose and tail slides if your wheels catch.
Skating some x99 V6 at the moment. They seem to be rolling really well on rougher ground, but not sure if that's because they are 54mm (I'm used to slightly smaller). They slide verry good but feel like softer wheels, they don't make much noise on smooth concrete.
What wheel would you suggest on cobblestone surface? I'm my city it's mainly cobble stone pavement. So far I think hard and wide such as 101 f4 wide has worked the best. Maybe because its less bouncy, faster due to hardness and wider? Still haven't cracked it
Are your v6s black? I took my blk v6s to a known rough spot (that I've skated everything, including the x97s and white x99 V1s, at) and I might as well have ridden spit 99s, zero 'x-formula' benefits...which is weird since they are both x-formula and w-i-d-e so you'd assume they'd handle rough terrain well but the narrower, white v1 were much more forgiving.
Cobblestone? Spit 97s maybe? Dragons (93a)?
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I got x99 and one skate sent me back to x97. They just don’t do anything much better than x97.
And if I wanted wheels that slide better, I’d go back to F4. In the RADIAL SLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HEAR ME DLX?!!
I don’t blunt slide anymore, and the little ground ones I can push through with both x99 or x97… they felt the same to me. And the x97 handles the crusties better and quieter and less rattly.
They do blunt slide better/easier =D for other slide trucks they def don't stick as much as the x97s, you can really feel it on nose and tail slides if your wheels catch.
Fair enough.. I can’t blunt slide anymore and don’t.
But if I diiiiiiiiid, I would go back to a known champion street wheel like F4. Maybe the x99 work just as dependably as an F4 99duro if I was doing all the stuff I did 15 years ago? Or try STFs. Or whatever cheap wheel was offered because who cared? Haha
Maybe it was just the smooth skatepark concrete, but when I tried to blunt slide the x99 just on flat it gripped just as much as the 97x.
But, again, fair enough… I like my old man soft wheels that kinda sorta sound like a normal skate wheel, and absorb the rattles and let me skate on the awful chunky stuff really well around here. And I’ve never had issues with nose slides unless it’s legit my fault for locking in wrong.
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I’d been skating some X99 V6 which were good but still felt a little hard on the street for me. Just put on some dragons in a 54mm classic shape (never skated them on a non cruiser board.). I like them a lot but I know after the winter I’m going to want to go to something slightly harder. Looking forward to trying some x97 as the middle ground.
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I’d been skating some X99 V6 which were good but still felt a little hard on the street for me. Just put on some dragons in a 54mm classic shape (never skated them on a non cruiser board.). I like them a lot but I know after the winter I’m going to want to go to something slightly harder. Looking forward to trying some x97 as the middle ground.
What color are your V6s?
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Are nano cubic 97s any different than xformula 97s?
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Are nano cubic 97s any different than xformula 97s?
The formula is the same imo so the shape is the only difference
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I set them up today but have to wait for a dry day to take them around town and to a park to give them the test I want to do, but once I've ridden them a bit I'll come back to write up my thoughts.
After a couple more months messing around with wheels I feel like I can come back to this post just on the off chance anyone needs yet another opinion on these wheels.
Long story short I ended up buying Spitfire f4 conical fulls to satisfy my desire for a faster hard wheel.
The x99s are a good wheel but did not feel different enough from a normal hard wheel to make it worth skating full time. They are just a bit stickier than I wanted, not at all like an actual soft wheel, just stickier than a hard wheel, while also being pretty rattley on rough ground.
I wanted a wheel that would be my perfect all-arounder, that I could skate from my house to the spot or park and do all the tricks I wanted there. I live in the northwest and the ground is pretty crusty and I live in an area with lots of bricks so it was a must that the skate around my neighborhood be tolerable, and I just wasn't satisfied. For that skating I don't think I can beat Dragons.
Skating at the park is definitely a bit better than with the Dragons, I'm sliding a bit further, tailslides feel a bit better. For dusty parks it definitely wins over your standard hard wheel, I'm not sliding out by accident on the x99s.
So I switched to formula 4 conical fulls as my standard park setup just to have something reliable and comfortable with good speed and slide, and I'll probably just keep switching back to the dragons if I have to make a trip across town or I know I'll skate some crust.
I was hoping they would be the perfect middle ground but they aren't quite there so I'll be sticking to the two sets of wheels for now.
The one place I prefer the x99s to either is actually indoors though. By hours the majority of my time on a board is indoors these days, I teach skating as my job and I'm mostly indoors for that, and the surfaces are always kinda dusty. For that specifically I can see myself keeping the x99s on my board for days at a time. Whether I actually do that just depends on if I want to go to the trouble to switch my wheels, because both the Dragons and the Spitfires would also do fine, I lose some slide with the dragons and some control with the spitfires, but both are tolerable indoors so its mostly a question of whether or not I want to go through the hassle of switching.
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^^ Maybe x97s are your sweet spot.
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They might be!
But now I'm already two sets of wheels deep and I don't feel ready to buy another for a while. Maybe I'll get to try someone's set up someday and it will change my life...
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I’m curious to see a picture of the chunking.
Same.
I'm guessing a bunk set, trolling or ollies into a trash metal edge with jaggies/shrapnel all over it, as I don't recall anyone complaining about chunking for any of the dragons/x9s.
My 93s/97s dragons and x99s have no chunks, ollies, slappies and heavy abuse.
Can we get some pics my dude?
Yes I will. I need to learn how to post photos. Thanks. I’ll be back. Moving day/weekend so I got sidetracked.
I haven’t been on here for a minute. Just thought I’d circle back here and state my conclusions regarding chunking dragons and x-formulas: My poor form on crooks got better and better and the wheels stopped chunking out so bad. It still happens from time-to-time, mainly on sharp steel grinding surfaces. If it starts chunking and I don't rotate, the chunks get bad and just peel away.
So, mostly user error. However, i only run x-99 or dragon 93. No more 97s
Thanks for the input guys. I missed slap.
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Setup some X99s after riding the X97 for months and they are noticably harder especially over cracks, felt like the original 103a STF but slightly more forgiving - everything the original Easy Street were supposed to be. Only spend an hour messing around, no stick on slides and my joints chattering on Bones wheels is a welcome reintroduction.
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my knee is fried and my ollie is trash so I set out to become a slappy guy yesterday. Pushed around on my STF's in an asphalt parking lot and it wasn't rad....
not sure if I try 99X as full timers, piece together another set up and get 97's.
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my knee is fried and my ollie is trash so I set out to become a slappy guy yesterday. Pushed around on my STF's in an asphalt parking lot and it wasn't rad....
not sure if I try 99X as full timers, piece together another set up and get 97's.
i don’t have a slappy curb. but i love skating flatground with x97s and dragons
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skating newer parks, and parking garages, I just didn't like the noise of the 97's that my friend had when I rode his board around. it's funny how I ride those race reds cranked to the point where my board feels dead....love it, but my initial impressions of skating dragons and the x's are not great. It's definitely subjective.....
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skating newer parks, and parking garages, I just didn't like the noise of the 97's that my friend had when I rode his board around. it's funny how I ride those race reds cranked to the point where my board feels dead....love it, but my initial impressions of skating dragons and the x's are not great. It's definitely subjective.....
oh no. you are completely correct the sound kinda sucks.
well. it’s different. and i’m finally in this window of tolerance for a different skate experience. whole time, up until now, i’ve just wanted to mob shit nollie flips, and kind of spazz out in a parking lot with the ever dwindling bag of flip tricks.
i’m just now enjoying pushing around for distance, cruising and not worrying about how much an ollie hurts.
the sound of f4 99s, feels correct.
the x97s and dragons are quiet and kinda weird, sorta bouncy. haven’t tried either at a skatepark. they work well on the crap asphalt i skate on. and are less jarring to my old skeleton.
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the biggest thing for me is how well the dragons and x97s roll over pebbles, cracks and debris that used to send me flying. It has been an absolute lifesaver for me in the streets.
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the biggest thing for me is how well the dragons and x97s roll over pebbles, cracks and debris that used to send me flying. It has been an absolute lifesaver for me in the streets.
Was just skating to the local today through some rough asphalt thinking the saaaaame thing.
Then at the park they rolled fast.
Of course… can’t make them chirp and bark as easily and freely as F4 or SPF’s… but… meh.
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Is anyone else waxing the inside of their wheels for anti-stick measures on metal coping?
I’ve been doing it a bit. I think it helps. But since I’m not measuring my crooked grinds, etc, it could also be placebo effect. Just curious if anyone’s experience confirms or denies this.
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Sharing my experience of x99 wheels. Been riding them exclusively for the past few months at outdoor parks and street. They're smooth and take some of the impact out of skating streets and okay at parks. Itypially use either F4 99s or 101s. At parks, I find they're grip and slide unreliable...inconsistent. E.g., at two outdoor parks one quite grippy the other on the slick side, I've found myself sliding out at odd times and at other times not sliding like I'd thought I would. At the the slicker park they would collect laid down bmx rubber quickly and become sketchy slippery, mind you I've typically been skating over lunch time and it's been hot (I'm in Oz). At the grippier park, I found they couldn't handle a bit of dust without sliding unreliably. I've since jumped back on F4 99 and don't have the same problems at these parks and could skate without being so cautious. Will stick with harder wheels in outdoor parks but will keep using x99s in the street. I haven't had any problems with sticking on curbs, ledges or tranny.
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I think we’re in for another Bones v. Spitfire with the F493a’s out now.
I hear even the 97a’s are getting reformulated?
Personally, I can’t wait to have spits again… or maybe it’s just boredom.
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The Spitfire 97as are getting reformulated?
I hope so, they felt like a very average 97a, kinda dead and damp. Not impressed at all. I like the X97a way more, but since i’m not pinching metal on my friends with them, they work for me, especially at the older parks with shitty ground.
We just got a new park built, so i’m back on SPF in there.
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https://youtu.be/uomkBVSXw4Y?si=AkFU-jOkqAVuLfBs
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Been on F4 99a classics and tablets for a while now, but since spitfire wont make the radial slims anymore for whatever fucking reason i think ill try the x formulas.
Which bones shape is most similar to the radial slim or like a slightly more rounded tablet? I skate a lot more park than street these days so probably better to go with the x99 over the x97?
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Been on F4 99a classics and tablets for a while now, but since spitfire wont make the radial slims anymore for whatever fucking reason i think ill try the x formulas.
Which bones shape is most similar to the radial slim or like a slightly more rounded tablet? I skate a lot more park than street these days so probably better to go with the x99 over the x97?
V5
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99 > 97.....
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That was quick, much appreciated
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Yeah V5 X99 are f*cking great.
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Been on F4 99a classics and tablets for a while now, but since spitfire wont make the radial slims anymore for whatever fucking reason i think ill try the x formulas.
Which bones shape is most similar to the radial slim or like a slightly more rounded tablet? I skate a lot more park than street these days so probably better to go with the x99 over the x97?
V2 is the closest to a radial slim, but it doesn't come in x-formula.
As others noted (and specifically for park) x99 > x97
V1 is a more 'rounded' tablet/standard wheel shape.
X-Formula SHAPES
(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/20240118/bones-shape-crosscuts-V1-V5-V6_opt.png)
STF SHAPES
(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/20200421/bones-shape-crosscuts-APR2020_opt.png)
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Good stuff, thanks fellas. Ima hit the shop tomorrow, looks like they have both a V5 and a V1 in stock so ill check em both out. I thought id have some issues with flip tricks when i went to the tablets from the classics but didnt notice much of a difference. Do Prefer the slightly better lockability of a more square wheel tho.
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Good stuff, thanks fellas. Ima hit the shop tomorrow, looks like they have both a V5 and a V1 in stock so ill check em both out. I thought id have some issues with flip tricks when i went to the tablets from the classics but didnt notice much of a difference. Do Prefer the slightly better lockability of a more square wheel tho.
No get x97. Better in more places. Rolls fast in smooth concrete, too.
If you want a hard wheel; why not just get a hard wheel?
X97.
(Though, there seems to be more x99 out there now… the people have spoken I guess.)
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I mean i dont really want a super hard wheel. Arent the stf 103s the harder ones? X99 seems right in the middle but again i havent ridden bones in many years.
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the 99X's will feel softer, but faster than your 99a classics....97x's will feel even softer than that.....so that's why I'm saying the 99's are the ticket and why/how I finally subscribed to the new formulas....
The wheels sound different which I thought would affect skating flat but I got used to it. I just think the 97's or anything lower in the bones formula would be a tougher transition for you.
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Is anyone else waxing the inside of their wheels for anti-stick measures on metal coping?
I’ve been doing it a bit. I think it helps. But since I’m not measuring my crooked grinds, etc, it could also be placebo effect. Just curious if anyone’s experience confirms or denies this.
(https://cdn.myshoptet.com/usr/www.cubeskateshop.sk/user/shop/big/289_vyrp14-558-vyrp14-823slix-tec2.jpg?63374c37)
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Is anyone else waxing the inside of their wheels for anti-stick measures on metal coping?
I’ve been doing it a bit. I think it helps. But since I’m not measuring my crooked grinds, etc, it could also be placebo effect. Just curious if anyone’s experience confirms or denies this.
(https://cdn.myshoptet.com/usr/www.cubeskateshop.sk/user/shop/big/289_vyrp14-558-vyrp14-823slix-tec2.jpg?63374c37)
Interesting! Thanks for posting that.
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Looks like some of the X99 formula wheels are available for purchase on the Bones site.
Grabbed a set plus 15 bucks worth of other stuff I didn't need to "save" myself 7 bucks on shipping cause I'm an adult with priorities
Way to play the angles! What size/shape?
Being in Canada, not going to pay for them twice with shipping and duties, so I guess patience shall be my virtue...
US shops should get them next week I'm guessing...CN soon after prolly.
Oh good, I'll have at least a week to obsessively agonize over a 2mm sizing decision.
This had me snorting coffee. I can’t figure out how to give someone +reps, but when I do you’re on my list.
I’ll probably do the same until I decide to get 56 v6.
But then I’d want to get 54s. And then the same in x99s.
Haha, thanks man, like Mr. Brimson mentioned I think you need 1k posts.
Definitely copping the X99's. I really like the 97's but I'm an anal retentive kook and don't really like how "rubbery" they sound. Dragons even moreso. The "clack" and bark of hard wheels makes me happy.
I skate 90% park, and of that probably 80% transition, so was debating between 54mm or 56mm V6. Just noticed the 55 V5's and I think that's gonna be the move. Skating 56mm F4 Conical full's on an orange eagle with 169's, so dropping a bit of weight should help my ledge game. What there is of it.
My X97's are 54's, plus they have so much more sidecut than the F4's, it's really noticable how much lighter they are. Wheel madness!
how are the x99’s?
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Has anyone done a (reformulated)F4 97 vs x97 comparison yet?
….after all I was craving dragon 93’s/f4 93’s in a proper street shape (not too thin, not stupid fat) kind of decided after waiting it out will prob just stick and replace my workmanlike but actually fine 97 CF’s when time comes…. got too many cruiserish setups already and rocks only work on smooth crete parks so…
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Both good to great wheels. I had a free set of X97s but they were a skinny 52mm and my reformulated F4 97s are a 56mm Radial so hard to compare properly. Can't go wrong. If you like the older version of the F4 97s, you'll love these new ones.