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Title: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: baker3G on February 03, 2023, 04:14:30 PM
Anyone under 40 give a shit about his coming back?

What happened to ride the best, fuck the rest.. this feels like someone's salty that Ace took their design and made it better.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: JoseCansnake0 on February 03, 2023, 05:35:55 PM
At 43, I'll have the same pair of thunders until my knees turn to dust
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Tom Pearl on February 03, 2023, 06:00:42 PM
Venture 5.2 lo's or nothing for me
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Lou Strux on February 03, 2023, 06:02:38 PM
Here to say I plan on giving them a try.
Bring it, Indy!
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Heshrat on February 03, 2023, 06:04:08 PM
I love indie, cut the bushings and take out the washers and you get the best turn out of any truck.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Lou Strux on February 03, 2023, 06:07:58 PM
I love indie, cut the bushings and take out the washers and you get the best turn out of any truck.
Oh shit… and here, I’ve just been riding Aces to get that same feel: I knew I was blowing it somehow.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: CrappyChan on February 03, 2023, 06:45:12 PM
I want em, I have been riding the same indys for 10 years, gotta love the 6 hole.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: theloniousmonk on February 03, 2023, 06:50:11 PM
Venture 5.2 lo's or nothing for me
Same
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: smellsdead on February 03, 2023, 06:59:12 PM
theyre some weird lookin aces
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: goodatmeth on February 03, 2023, 07:04:55 PM
I generally think it's a cool idea to bring back old stuff, so it's sick for nostalgia and collectors for sure.

But as a regular product, I wouldn't look at it if I need new trucks. Aren't they just higher aces with worse kingpin clearance?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: radcunt on February 03, 2023, 08:23:01 PM
It'll be sick for old school & slappy setups, just for the old guy vibes.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Blind Fisherman on February 03, 2023, 08:27:28 PM
It’s nerf or nothing for me, mane.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: livin on a speyer on February 03, 2023, 08:50:49 PM
Bring back the cross!
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 03, 2023, 09:07:49 PM
I think most 40+ skater would be more stoked with a stage vii rerelease tbh
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: switchfakie on February 03, 2023, 09:12:39 PM
could give negative fucks

just make a magnesium indy

i just want light trucks man, the titaniums arent light enough for me and i really dont wanna skate tensors
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: greenbeans on February 03, 2023, 09:16:25 PM
I love indie, cut the bushings and take out the washers and you get the best turn out of any truck.
How much do you cut down on the bushing? I’ve been doing half way and I love it.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: TheDingus on February 03, 2023, 09:28:23 PM
If you’re fat over 40 and have minimum skills on a skateboard you’ll probably be buying these. If you’re old and still kinda good you’re probably riding aces. If you’re young you’re probably on thunders. If you’re a fresh type you’re probably riding ventures.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 03, 2023, 09:35:16 PM
The above assessments are largely correct.

I could loose a few pounds and I am closer to 50 than 40. I can do a few skateboard tricks. I mostly ride Ace. I sometimes ride Thunder (151 only). Will I try the Stage 4 re-issues? I want to say hell no, but I know myself to Goodman well and unfortunately it will be hard for me to walk out of any skate shop that has a pair of these in a 151. I'm a fucking mug. Will it improve my silly middle age quality of life? Probably not.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 03, 2023, 09:45:01 PM
I think most 40+ skater would be more stoked with a stage vii rerelease tbh

Anodized Stage 5 without axle slip would be my choice.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: rawbertson. on February 04, 2023, 05:04:42 AM
What is the difference? I also remember my first set of Indy's ~2000 slipped axles really bad. What stage would those have been?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Mean salto on February 04, 2023, 05:07:19 AM
What is the difference? I also remember my first set of Indy's ~2000 slipped axles really bad. What stage would those have been?
Do you remember if they had two triangle-ish holes in the middle of the baseplate? If yes stage 9 if no probably stage 8
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Easy Slider on February 04, 2023, 05:14:57 AM
I didn‘t ride Indys back in the day (G&S, Tracker, Orion, and other atrocities come to mind), so I have no nostalgia attached to my Indys, plus I just started a set of 144 forged hollows I am quite happy with.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: stephop on February 04, 2023, 05:35:41 AM
I love indie, cut the bushings and take out the washers and you get the best turn out of any truck.
just skate no to bushing and washers and all trucks are good ir skate really tight trucks so turning doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Mongo Lloyd on February 04, 2023, 05:51:12 AM
I prefer trucks that don’t remind me of end stage cancer.  ;D
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Lou Strux on February 04, 2023, 07:59:28 AM
Didn't realize they were already hitting the shelves (Feb. 18th) in 4 sizes: 136. 146. 151 & 166.
I'm already getting my credit card warmed up.
For those interested, please buy from your local.
For those w/ no local, here's some scraps of info from the manu.

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/stage-4-polished-skateboard-trucks-independent?variant=43310976434333
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 04, 2023, 08:05:02 AM
If you’re fat over 40 and have minimum skills on a skateboard you’ll probably be buying these. If you’re old and still kinda good you’re probably riding aces. If you’re young you’re probably on thunders. If you’re a fresh type you’re probably riding ventures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufB1WPVuMNQ

I'd timestamp the parts where he skates the Stage 4s but you should just watch the entire thing anyways.

Probably more clips of it on his Instagram, same with Chico Brenes.

Classic UWTB getting salty over a product that isn't replacing the mainline stuff and is trying to help skateshops by making it skateshop exclusive until summer.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: animalflesh on February 04, 2023, 08:10:10 AM
I’m under 40, ride aces and will be buying a set of these

It’s fun, and they could skate great and are worth a shot
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: lamfordie on February 04, 2023, 10:14:40 AM
Is it true that you can use the inverted baseplate with the new stage 4?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: lurker_and_poster on February 04, 2023, 10:19:27 AM
I an that old that I rode stage 4 back in the days.
Don’t believe the produce the real one - just similarl form. The OG one where heavier then trucks today - but Unbreakable. You can grind them down to the axle ne still skate them for 2 years.
Different alloy / material mix then you get today.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Sold Out on February 04, 2023, 11:24:06 AM
Is it true that you can use the inverted baseplate with the new stage 4?

I don't think so. I just got a pair to test out. They have a totally different bushing and baseplate to a Stage 11, so you can't swap bushings or baseplates to a stage 11 is what someone at Indy told me. I'm pretty hyped on how they look, will give feedback once I skate em.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: LonleySk8er15 on February 04, 2023, 11:35:07 AM
I hope they turn like ACE but ollie like Indy stage xi. I lost all my pop on ACE. Feel like I get better leverage snapping the tail on my Indys. On my ACEs I was looping out and skidding the tail on accident a lot trying to land tricks. I put the ACEs on my pool/tight transition board and they are great, but the set up is for slash grinds and not really meant for ollies. short nose for less scrape in shallow ends, short wheel base, big wheels and riser pads. The weird axle widths for the stage iv are strange. I normally wanna ride an 8.5 popsicle so I have to chose between the 8.38 axle or the 8.65 axle. I'll probably go wider and get an 8.6 deck.

I heard NHS is not selling these on their website for 6 months so they are skate shop exclusive during the initial roll out.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 04, 2023, 11:42:29 AM
What size did you get, Sold out?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: DaleSr on February 04, 2023, 12:58:48 PM
I think most 40+ skater would be more stoked with a stage vii rerelease tbh

I'm interested in the stage 4 but this is what my heart truly desires
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on February 04, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
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I think most 40+ skater would be more stoked with a stage vii rerelease tbh
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I'm interested in the stage 4 but this is what my heart truly desires

Stage VII hollows pls
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Ok on February 10, 2023, 06:24:44 AM
I am not an indy fan. I’ve just never really been stoked on them, but have wanted to like them at many different times (Drake Jones made everything look cool). The trucks always felt too heavy for me. Later on, I came to dislike the hellride stuff. Just weird jock shit that seemed …at best, not cool.

These reissues are sick. Rolling them out with shops first, instead of going directly to the ‘fun factory’ is also a step in a direction I’d like to support from a corp. that has flirted with being a toy company, more than a a company that works with skateshops.

My favorite indys, and I’ve lost track of the stages: trades my ultralights for some 146s? 156s? Late 80s. I think of these ones the most often. As mentioned above, the metal was better. The kingpin clearance was bizarre. Negative clearance. I gave my Scott Oster complete with these to a classmate that needed a board when we all started skating again in 93-94. I had some with black baseplate raw hanger, was whenever Western Edition got distribution, maybe very early 2000s? Not sure on the stage/size. I bent the axle to an unskateable degree. Looked so sick tho with small wheels. And made me feel like I was going to learn crooked grinds in the streets. Did not.

Blaaaah blah old blah.

I’m pretty locked into what I ride now, but the 136s turn my head. They look cool. The sizing is also nice
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: manysnakes on February 10, 2023, 08:54:45 AM
I said this in the gear thread, and maybe I am wrong, but if Independent thinks the success of Ace is due to pent up demand for their old trucks, I believe they are getting the whole thing wrong. The appeal of Ace Trucks is that Ace is not Indy.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: augustmoon on February 10, 2023, 09:36:39 AM
I’m not a huge Indy fan, but I will for sure be trying these
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: IpathCats on February 10, 2023, 10:11:07 AM
I said this in the gear thread, and maybe I am wrong, but if Independent thinks the success of Ace is due to pent up demand for their old trucks, I believe they are getting the whole thing wrong. The appeal of Ace Trucks is that Ace is not Indy.

For some I'm sure thats the case.

But not all.

I'm sure many people would like to experience OG indy geometry from indy themselves.

With the added benefit of their axels not bending.

I’m not a huge Indy fan, but I will for sure be trying these

see
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: dr.prestige on February 10, 2023, 11:06:07 AM
I'm personally pretty stoked for these. I definitely don't need another set of trucks but I'll get em anyways. I kinda like that they're switching up the numbering from their normal trucks to not confuse their customers, unlike Ace with their AF1 vs non-AF1 sizing and numbering clusterfuck
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: baker3G on February 10, 2023, 01:44:33 PM
they skate pretty good.

I would buy aces if i were you tho.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: tadej Pog on February 10, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Im skating in thunders like 15 years in a row and Im so conservative about this.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: SneakySecrets on February 10, 2023, 02:19:01 PM
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I think most 40+ skater would be more stoked with a stage vii rerelease tbh
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I'm interested in the stage 4 but this is what my heart truly desires
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Stage VII hollows pls

Now that would be sick
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 10, 2023, 02:32:58 PM
Why oh why did they go with red bushings?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on February 10, 2023, 03:17:24 PM
Why oh why did they go with red bushings?

The red bushings are the only thing holding this truck together!
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: alonelikeastone on February 10, 2023, 04:18:44 PM
Weird sizing options don’t you think?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: dr.prestige on February 10, 2023, 04:22:44 PM
Weird sizing options don’t you think?

Seems pretty reasonable to me. From 8" to 9" in approximately 1/3 inch increments. Different number designations so people don't mix them up with their normal trucks.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Sold Out on February 10, 2023, 04:33:52 PM
What size did you get, Sold out?
8.6 set them up on a 8.5 deck, actually feels like it fits perfectly, can't see my axle nuts when Im standing on my board.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Banned from the room on February 10, 2023, 04:55:55 PM
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Why oh why did they go with red bushings?
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The red bushings are the only thing holding this truck together!


My og stage 4s have red bushings in them. Its a sign.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: KGB on February 10, 2023, 05:43:49 PM
shouldn't this be like somewhere else man?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 10, 2023, 07:58:25 PM
shouldn't this be like somewhere else man?


Like in Shoes and Gear?

Yeah, but it is an interesting way for others to talk about them, besides the Indy thread, so no worries really.


That said, there is a lot more spec and info, with pics, in the Indy thread here:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0




Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 10, 2023, 08:39:18 PM
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What size did you get, Sold out?
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8.6 set them up on a 8.5 deck, actually feels like it fits perfectly, can't see my axle nuts when Im standing on my board.

Nice.Initial impressions?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: toe_knee on February 10, 2023, 10:03:49 PM
They make some lows I may fuck with the best
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: And_so_it_goes22 on February 16, 2023, 03:03:51 PM
I am not an indy fan. I’ve just never really been stoked on them, but have wanted to like them at many different times (Drake Jones made everything look cool). The trucks always felt too heavy for me. Later on, I came to dislike the hellride stuff. Just weird jock shit that seemed …at best, not cool.

These reissues are sick. Rolling them out with shops first, instead of going directly to the ‘fun factory’ is also a step in a direction I’d like to support from a corp. that has flirted with being a toy company, more than a a company that works with skateshops.

My favorite indys, and I’ve lost track of the stages: trades my ultralights for some 146s? 156s? Late 80s. I think of these ones the most often. As mentioned above, the metal was better. The kingpin clearance was bizarre. Negative clearance. I gave my Scott Oster complete with these to a classmate that needed a board when we all started skating again in 93-94. I had some with black baseplate raw hanger, was whenever Western Edition got distribution, maybe very early 2000s? Not sure on the stage/size. I bent the axle to an unskateable degree. Looked so sick tho with small wheels. And made me feel like I was going to learn crooked grinds in the streets. Did not.

Blaaaah blah old blah.

I’m pretty locked into what I ride now, but the 136s turn my head. They look cool. The sizing is also nice


I felt the same way, as NHS these days kind of reminds me of what vision was in the 80s.  Any licensing deal in the world just to make more money. 

When I clicked on the find a store button on the NHS website to find a set of these on skate shop day, it lists a bunch of local Tillys and Zumiez stores.  And one core shop.  I dunno, in my view sending these out to Tillys and Zumiez at all the local malls feels like a “fuck you” to actual shops. 
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: versacekid420 on February 16, 2023, 04:40:44 PM
Who gives a fuck
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: rawbertson. on February 16, 2023, 05:33:33 PM
Weird sizing options don’t you think?

that was how they used to come. they are keeping true to the original sizings. this actually has me somewhat interested.

is the height the same? thats kinda all i care about tbh. i find standard indys too high now i like the 53mm height a lot more so i probably dont care about these.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Lou Strux on February 16, 2023, 05:57:38 PM
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Weird sizing options don’t you think?
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that was how they used to come. they are keeping true to the original sizings. this actually has me somewhat interested.

is the height the same? thats kinda all i care about tbh. i find standard indys too high now i like the 53mm height a lot more so i probably dont care about these.
My brother in Christ, I’m afraid you have been misinformed. The Stage 4 was available in the *following 3 sizes/designations: 159/FW, 169/MFW & 215/Big 10 Inch

*Source: Built To Grind (25 Years of hardcore skateboarding) page 112
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: NollieFlippedYourMom on February 16, 2023, 06:05:02 PM
Reading through this makes me realize I don’t know anything about trucks after 15-20ish years of skating. I’ve always just walked into a shop and bought the most standard ‘raw’ Indy truck that fits my 8.25 setup. And I use the stock bushings and don’t replace them until I get a whole new set of trucks 2-3 years later. I’ve never had a problem with my trucks besides them turning on their own a bit and breaking a bolt here and there, but am I missing out on something? Will I change trucks and go pro? Or at least sponsed?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: jsettle on February 16, 2023, 07:17:55 PM
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I am not an indy fan. I’ve just never really been stoked on them, but have wanted to like them at many different times (Drake Jones made everything look cool). The trucks always felt too heavy for me. Later on, I came to dislike the hellride stuff. Just weird jock shit that seemed …at best, not cool.

These reissues are sick. Rolling them out with shops first, instead of going directly to the ‘fun factory’ is also a step in a direction I’d like to support from a corp. that has flirted with being a toy company, more than a a company that works with skateshops.

My favorite indys, and I’ve lost track of the stages: trades my ultralights for some 146s? 156s? Late 80s. I think of these ones the most often. As mentioned above, the metal was better. The kingpin clearance was bizarre. Negative clearance. I gave my Scott Oster complete with these to a classmate that needed a board when we all started skating again in 93-94. I had some with black baseplate raw hanger, was whenever Western Edition got distribution, maybe very early 2000s? Not sure on the stage/size. I bent the axle to an unskateable degree. Looked so sick tho with small wheels. And made me feel like I was going to learn crooked grinds in the streets. Did not.

Blaaaah blah old blah.

I’m pretty locked into what I ride now, but the 136s turn my head. They look cool. The sizing is also nice
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I felt the same way, as NHS these days kind of reminds me of what vision was in the 80s.  Any licensing deal in the world just to make more money. 

When I clicked on the find a store button on the NHS website to find a set of these on skate shop day, it lists a bunch of local Tillys and Zumiez stores.  And one core shop.  I dunno, in my view sending these out to Tillys and Zumiez at all the local malls feels like a “fuck you” to actual shops.

There are no Zumiez shops listed on the shop list and a whole bunch of real skate shops. What list are you looking at?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: KGB on February 16, 2023, 07:40:53 PM
Who gives a fuck

“It’s the best turn ever if I cut the bushings and modify it” lol  what are you people slalom kings ???
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2023, 07:41:38 PM
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I am not an indy fan. I’ve just never really been stoked on them, but have wanted to like them at many different times (Drake Jones made everything look cool). The trucks always felt too heavy for me. Later on, I came to dislike the hellride stuff. Just weird jock shit that seemed …at best, not cool.

These reissues are sick. Rolling them out with shops first, instead of going directly to the ‘fun factory’ is also a step in a direction I’d like to support from a corp. that has flirted with being a toy company, more than a a company that works with skateshops.

My favorite indys, and I’ve lost track of the stages: trades my ultralights for some 146s? 156s? Late 80s. I think of these ones the most often. As mentioned above, the metal was better. The kingpin clearance was bizarre. Negative clearance. I gave my Scott Oster complete with these to a classmate that needed a board when we all started skating again in 93-94. I had some with black baseplate raw hanger, was whenever Western Edition got distribution, maybe very early 2000s? Not sure on the stage/size. I bent the axle to an unskateable degree. Looked so sick tho with small wheels. And made me feel like I was going to learn crooked grinds in the streets. Did not.

Blaaaah blah old blah.

I’m pretty locked into what I ride now, but the 136s turn my head. They look cool. The sizing is also nice
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I felt the same way, as NHS these days kind of reminds me of what vision was in the 80s.  Any licensing deal in the world just to make more money. 

When I clicked on the find a store button on the NHS website to find a set of these on skate shop day, it lists a bunch of local Tillys and Zumiez stores.  And one core shop.  I dunno, in my view sending these out to Tillys and Zumiez at all the local malls feels like a “fuck you” to actual shops.
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There are no Zumiez shops listed on the shop list and a whole bunch of real skate shops. What list are you looking at?


They specifically said the new Stage 4 trucks will only be available in skate shops from Skate Shop Day, no where else.

That might have been the overall list for stockists for the rest of their products, like Santa Cruz completes...

For once NHS does seem to be doing the right thing by skate shops, or at least trying to help core shops, as a lot of people always talk about them just being all about money, etc.


Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: KGB on February 16, 2023, 07:43:16 PM
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I am not an indy fan. I’ve just never really been stoked on them, but have wanted to like them at many different times (Drake Jones made everything look cool). The trucks always felt too heavy for me. Later on, I came to dislike the hellride stuff. Just weird jock shit that seemed …at best, not cool.

These reissues are sick. Rolling them out with shops first, instead of going directly to the ‘fun factory’ is also a step in a direction I’d like to support from a corp. that has flirted with being a toy company, more than a a company that works with skateshops.

My favorite indys, and I’ve lost track of the stages: trades my ultralights for some 146s? 156s? Late 80s. I think of these ones the most often. As mentioned above, the metal was better. The kingpin clearance was bizarre. Negative clearance. I gave my Scott Oster complete with these to a classmate that needed a board when we all started skating again in 93-94. I had some with black baseplate raw hanger, was whenever Western Edition got distribution, maybe very early 2000s? Not sure on the stage/size. I bent the axle to an unskateable degree. Looked so sick tho with small wheels. And made me feel like I was going to learn crooked grinds in the streets. Did not.

Blaaaah blah old blah.

I’m pretty locked into what I ride now, but the 136s turn my head. They look cool. The sizing is also nice
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I felt the same way, as NHS these days kind of reminds me of what vision was in the 80s.  Any licensing deal in the world just to make more money. 

When I clicked on the find a store button on the NHS website to find a set of these on skate shop day, it lists a bunch of local Tillys and Zumiez stores.  And one core shop.  I dunno, in my view sending these out to Tillys and Zumiez at all the local malls feels like a “fuck you” to actual shops.
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There are no Zumiez shops listed on the shop list and a whole bunch of real skate shops. What list are you looking at?
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They specifically said the new Stage 4 trucks will only be available in skate shops from Skate Shop Day, no where else.

That might have been the overall list for stockists for the rest of their products, like Santa Cruz completes...

For once NHS does seem to be doing the right thing by skate shops, or at least trying to help core shops, as a lot of people always talk about them just being all about money, etc.
Sure and the day after skate shop day they will be in zumiez.  don’t front.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2023, 07:51:06 PM
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I am not an indy fan. I’ve just never really been stoked on them, but have wanted to like them at many different times (Drake Jones made everything look cool). The trucks always felt too heavy for me. Later on, I came to dislike the hellride stuff. Just weird jock shit that seemed …at best, not cool.

These reissues are sick. Rolling them out with shops first, instead of going directly to the ‘fun factory’ is also a step in a direction I’d like to support from a corp. that has flirted with being a toy company, more than a a company that works with skateshops.

My favorite indys, and I’ve lost track of the stages: trades my ultralights for some 146s? 156s? Late 80s. I think of these ones the most often. As mentioned above, the metal was better. The kingpin clearance was bizarre. Negative clearance. I gave my Scott Oster complete with these to a classmate that needed a board when we all started skating again in 93-94. I had some with black baseplate raw hanger, was whenever Western Edition got distribution, maybe very early 2000s? Not sure on the stage/size. I bent the axle to an unskateable degree. Looked so sick tho with small wheels. And made me feel like I was going to learn crooked grinds in the streets. Did not.

Blaaaah blah old blah.

I’m pretty locked into what I ride now, but the 136s turn my head. They look cool. The sizing is also nice
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I felt the same way, as NHS these days kind of reminds me of what vision was in the 80s.  Any licensing deal in the world just to make more money. 

When I clicked on the find a store button on the NHS website to find a set of these on skate shop day, it lists a bunch of local Tillys and Zumiez stores.  And one core shop.  I dunno, in my view sending these out to Tillys and Zumiez at all the local malls feels like a “fuck you” to actual shops.
[close]

There are no Zumiez shops listed on the shop list and a whole bunch of real skate shops. What list are you looking at?
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They specifically said the new Stage 4 trucks will only be available in skate shops from Skate Shop Day, no where else.

That might have been the overall list for stockists for the rest of their products, like Santa Cruz completes...

For once NHS does seem to be doing the right thing by skate shops, or at least trying to help core shops, as a lot of people always talk about them just being all about money, etc.
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Sure and the day after skate shop day they will be in zumiez.  don’t front.


Ha yeah, who knows.

What was it they said they won't be online until a while later though?

Either way, it is not going to change anything for me.

Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: versacekid420 on February 16, 2023, 08:34:59 PM
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Who gives a fuck
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“It’s the best turn ever if I cut the bushings and modify it” lol  what are you people slalom kings ???
exactly. “Built to grind, turn on a dime” reallt hit the fan hard 😭😭😭
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: stringsnthings on February 16, 2023, 09:35:47 PM
It’s nerf or nothing for me, mane.

I'm more a Hasbro Mane Myself. Miss you bud.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 16, 2023, 10:23:22 PM
It's going to be hilarious when these come out and everyone goes out to nostalgia buys them and then realizes "ohhh so that's why they changed this 7 iterations ago".

As someone who's invested hundreds into trying various old indys but doesn't have a nostalgic attachment to them, there's nothing special about them. I bought into the hype but there isn't some magic metal that grinds better and they definitely don't turn better than a stage XI. Much worse actually. They're heavy, have zero kp clearance, and they broke all the time because they had numerous design flaws and poor qc. If they really want to give us the classic indy feel then the axles better start slipping after a few months.

My best guess is this ends up just as much of an awful, untested, unnecessary mess of a truck as the mids.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: BALARGUE on February 17, 2023, 04:07:16 AM
My best guess is this ends up just as much of an awful, untested, unnecessary mess of a truck as the mids.

my opinion too

- look we have a new truck, the Indy Mid with an inverted kingpin!
- but IKPs just don't work in the long run
- whatever we need to push new & revolutionary products with ideas from the past that were dismissed
- it will collect dust on the shelves
- weeee here's Stage IV
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on February 17, 2023, 04:27:12 AM
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My best guess is this ends up just as much of an awful, untested, unnecessary mess of a truck as the mids.
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my opinion too

- look we have a new truck, the Indy Mid with an inverted kingpin!
- but IKPs just don't work in the long run
- whatever we need to push new & revolutionary products with ideas from the past that were dismissed
- it will collect dust on the shelves
- weeee here's Stage IV

I 100% agree about that inverted kingpin. I had the same reaction to those coming back as I did seeing these kids wearing JNCOS last year.

"We tried that 20 years ago and they were fucked"

These stage 4s look good and there so close to ACE I'll deff be grabbing some ASAP
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 17, 2023, 05:29:55 AM
I bought into the hype but there isn't some magic metal that grinds better and they definitely don't turn better than a stage XI. \

it is very different turn if you're referring to the 'new' Stage 4s. Some people will be very excited. Others will not.

Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: IpathCats on February 17, 2023, 09:13:37 AM
It's going to be hilarious when these come out and everyone goes out to nostalgia buys them and then realizes "ohhh so that's why they changed this 7 iterations ago".

Well, as ace stealing their old design has shown us, there is def some interest in the older stuff.

I do still find this funny though, the thought of someone uninformed picking these up looking for the next thing in cutting edge truck tech is pretty hilarious.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Pooh Drunx on February 17, 2023, 09:24:50 AM
At 43, I'll have the same pair of thunders until my knees turn to dust

same here.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: dr.prestige on July 26, 2023, 02:11:39 PM
Is it true that you can use the inverted baseplate with the new stage 4?

I tried this, and I like it. I’m not sure how close the geometries are to each other, but with the inverted kingpin baseplates they still turn very well. I suppose I’ll know whether or not it truly works or doesn’t work is if the pivot cup shows abnormal wear after some time. The only difference that I can pick up so far is that they are slightly higher. I’ll post an update after a bit with a more in depth opinion of this. Here’s a photo of stage fours with the IKP baseplate as well as stock next to each other to show the difference in height and kingpin clearance.

(https://i.imgur.com/ErQibou.jpg)
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: KILLEDTHEPOOL on July 29, 2023, 09:11:05 AM
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I am not an indy fan. I’ve just never really been stoked on them, but have wanted to like them at many different times (Drake Jones made everything look cool). The trucks always felt too heavy for me. Later on, I came to dislike the hellride stuff. Just weird jock shit that seemed …at best, not cool.

These reissues are sick. Rolling them out with shops first, instead of going directly to the ‘fun factory’ is also a step in a direction I’d like to support from a corp. that has flirted with being a toy company, more than a a company that works with skateshops.

My favorite indys, and I’ve lost track of the stages: trades my ultralights for some 146s? 156s? Late 80s. I think of these ones the most often. As mentioned above, the metal was better. The kingpin clearance was bizarre. Negative clearance. I gave my Scott Oster complete with these to a classmate that needed a board when we all started skating again in 93-94. I had some with black baseplate raw hanger, was whenever Western Edition got distribution, maybe very early 2000s? Not sure on the stage/size. I bent the axle to an unskateable degree. Looked so sick tho with small wheels. And made me feel like I was going to learn crooked grinds in the streets. Did not.

Blaaaah blah old blah.

I’m pretty locked into what I ride now, but the 136s turn my head. They look cool. The sizing is also nice
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I felt the same way, as NHS these days kind of reminds me of what vision was in the 80s.  Any licensing deal in the world just to make more money. 

When I clicked on the find a store button on the NHS website to find a set of these on skate shop day, it lists a bunch of local Tillys and Zumiez stores.  And one core shop.  I dunno, in my view sending these out to Tillys and Zumiez at all the local malls feels like a “fuck you” to actual shops.
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There are no Zumiez shops listed on the shop list and a whole bunch of real skate shops. What list are you looking at?
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They specifically said the new Stage 4 trucks will only be available in skate shops from Skate Shop Day, no where else.

That might have been the overall list for stockists for the rest of their products, like Santa Cruz completes...

For once NHS does seem to be doing the right thing by skate shops, or at least trying to help core shops, as a lot of people always talk about them just being all about money, etc.
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Sure and the day after skate shop day they will be in zumiez.  don’t front.

I feel like anybody who shops at zumiez would have no interest in these whatsoever. they all skate ventures or some such garbage. I also have never been to a zumiez and have no idea what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: SatanicPanic on July 29, 2023, 09:11:14 PM
Is it weird that I’ve never known what stage Indy’s I’m riding? I don’t even know now
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: KILLEDTHEPOOL on July 30, 2023, 08:38:18 AM
Is it weird that I’ve never known what stage Indy’s I’m riding? I don’t even know now

they're XIs if you bought them in the last couple years
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 30, 2023, 04:43:15 PM
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Is it weird that I’ve never known what stage Indy’s I’m riding? I don’t even know now
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they're XIs if you bought them in the last couple years


Pretty funny to think that Stage IX / Stage 11 have been out for 11 years now.


The easiest way to tell is this:

New with no cross at all on the baseplate (from 2020 to present) are Stage 11

Double lined cross / cross in circle  on the baseplate are older (from 2012 - 2020) also Stage 11

Single lined cross, older again (from 2009 - 2012) are Stage 10 if they are a solid baseplate

Single lined cross, also older again (from 2003 to 2009) are Stage 9 if they have the baseplate with two holes in the middle


Anything past that is usually going to be very old, crusty, very chunky in shape and would be an earlier stage, but I am guessing most people would have Stage 11, maybe 10 or some 9s now.


What width are they, or what size board are you running them on?


Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 30, 2023, 06:25:01 PM
Never forget the Stage 10 Mk II
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: KILLEDTHEPOOL on July 31, 2023, 04:39:58 AM
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Is it weird that I’ve never known what stage Indy’s I’m riding? I don’t even know now
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they're XIs if you bought them in the last couple years
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Pretty funny to think that Stage IX / Stage 11 have been out for 11 years now.


The easiest way to tell is this:

New with no cross at all on the baseplate (from 2020 to present) are Stage 11

Double lined cross / cross in circle  on the baseplate are older (from 2012 - 2020) also Stage 11

Single lined cross, older again (from 2009 - 2012) are Stage 10 if they are a solid baseplate

Single lined cross, also older again (from 2003 to 2009) are Stage 9 if they have the baseplate with two holes in the middle


Anything past that is usually going to be very old, crusty, very chunky in shape and would be an earlier stage, but I am guessing most people would have Stage 11, maybe 10 or some 9s now.


What width are they, or what size board are you running them on?

damn that's crazy, I thought the 11s were fairly new. shows how long it's been since I bought a set of trucks. I don't remember having any of the axle slip issues everyone keeps going on about, maybe cus I skate tranny mostly?
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Steely Daniel on July 31, 2023, 04:46:31 AM
If the axles are still straight then you're probably not riding stage 9s
Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 31, 2023, 04:53:15 PM
Never forget the Stage 10 Mk II


Was that the first version of the forged baseplates, or am I thinking of something else?

For anyone that rode wider than 139s, the Stage 9 to 10 initial runs were still the big old clunky hangers, but then they finally narrowed down the hangers to match the smaller trucks, maybe in the year just before the Stage 11 came out, or something like that.

I was still on 139s for my normal boards but had a few wider boards set up with older trucks back then, so I didn't really notice the change until later when I was getting a lot more old trucks from people selling / trading them.


Title: Re: Indy Stage 4 truck
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 01, 2023, 07:56:33 PM
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Was that the first version of the forged baseplates, or am I thinking of something else?

For anyone that rode wider than 139s, the Stage 9 to 10 initial runs were still the big old clunky hangers, but then they finally narrowed down the hangers to match the smaller trucks, maybe in the year just before the Stage 11 came out, or something like that.

I was still on 139s for my normal boards but had a few wider boards set up with older trucks back then, so I didn't really notice the change until later when I was getting a lot more old trucks from people selling / trading them.

Honestly I can't remember much. I know they seemed to turn better than 10s and I know they cleaned up the yoke a bit so the washers didn't bind any more "No Hang up yolk." They also reintroduced 159s at about this time and shortly after revealed that these were actually the new Stage 11s...