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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Frank and Fred on November 09, 2023, 08:32:17 AM
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https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/ (https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/)
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That was a good read
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appreciate Skate Jawn for publishing this. the skateboarding industry has been embarrassingly silent on this issue and it's cool to see voices like Maen's being given a platform. he's 100% right, skateboarding is inherently political and the idea that it can be depoliticized is ludicrous but incredibly commonplace. the culture is based on reappropriating public spaces and private property for unintended use, it's impossible to remove politics from that process.
s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
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Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
mr. bbq, you are cooked
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
let's break out the law books while israel buries children alive - talk about fried
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
talk about fried - the amount of cope in this post is laughable. let's break out the law books while israel buries children alive.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
Members of the cabinet called them “human animals” and didn’t rule out dropping a nuke on Gaza. Bibi himself said that they wouldn’t distinguish between ordinary Gazans and members of Hamas. Then they cut off water, power, shipments of food and medicine and have been conducting a monthlong bombing campaign which has seen them targeting hospitals, ambulances, bakeries, refugee camps, and roads in and out of the prison camp where these people are forced to live. This campaign has already killed 10,000 people, roughly 3-4,000 of those are children.
Shut the fuck up about “international law” as if that’s anything other than what the US decides that it is.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
What a fried take.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
mr. bbq, you are fuckin cooked
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Fuck that BBQ dude, straight up. Get the fuck out of here.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
shut da fuck up
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
I dunno y’all… seems like they may have you beat on a grammatical technicality.
If it walks like a Kovacs & quacks like a Kovacs…
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israel has always been a terrorist racist state people are only hearing about it now because of videos being shared from palestine on social media that mainstream media would never show
im sure if youre american or european you dont know that in 2013 ethiopian jews immigrating to israel were given contraception shots against their will because they're black and that's not the color for the "israeli identity" that's in 2013!! its crazy!! if you support israel just quit getting your news from cnn, bcc etc.. and read history :D
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
shit, by that logic i guess all americans are proud boys and white supremacists
you are a fucking idiot
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
shit, by that logic i guess all americans are proud boys and white supremacists
you are a fucking idiot
Bizarre response….I said nothing about Americans. Or even the actual populations in either region. There are good people everywhere. Lots of hateful people in this thread tho. see ya later ✌️
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Jenkem did a really good article a while back, an interview with Aram Sabbah, one of the dudes from SkatePal who lives in the West Bank. https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2021/06/21/living-middle-palestinian-conflict-aram-sabbah/
Free Palestine. And if you're one of the cunts in this thread denying this genocide or flat out supporting israel, go straight to fucking hell.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
Go fuck yourself.
If you can seriously type out the words “free and democratic “ while that same country operates the world’s largest outdoor prison, where the citizens have almost zero right of movement and are kept in perpetual detention, go fuck yourself.
It’s not a democracy, when you keep a huge segment of the population like that. It’s a fucking joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.
It’s exactly this type of desperation justification that shows you’ve traded that big, beautiful brain you were gifted by god with for racist propaganda.
When people call you Nazis, this is exactly what it means. It doesn’t mean you believe the exact same details that the Nazis did, but you followed the same fanatical batshit racist justifications for suppressing another people.
You allow that insane logic that killing civilians en mass and driving everyone out of their homes is not genocide. Everyone can see that the goal is not Hamas, it’s the full takeover of Gaza for the Jewish state.
You have swallowed that same idiot logic that drove the Nazis to exterminate Jews. You allowed yourself to pretend that it’s ok to murder innocent people, because they somehow deserve it.
That’s why,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
Go fuck yourself.
If you can seriously type out the words “free and democratic “ while that same country operates the world’s largest outdoor prison, where the citizens have almost zero right of movement and are kept in perpetual detention, go fuck yourself.
It’s not a democracy, when you keep a huge segment of the population like that. It’s a fucking joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.
It’s exactly this type of desperation justification that shows you’ve traded that big, beautiful brain you were gifted by god with for racist propaganda.
When people call you Nazis, this is exactly what it means. It doesn’t mean you believe the exact same details that the Nazis did, but you followed the same fanatical batshit racist justifications for suppressing another people.
You allow that insane logic that killing civilians en mass and driving everyone out of their homes is not genocide. Everyone can see that the goal is not Hamas, it’s the full takeover of Gaza for the Jewish state.
You have swallowed that same idiot logic that drove the Nazis to exterminate Jews. You allowed yourself to pretend that it’s ok to murder innocent people, because they somehow deserve it.
That’s why,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Never did or said any of that. You did. Making assumptions about strangers and name calling on the internet so you can feel right is not rational btw.
I made a single point that is vastly internationally recognized by most all diplomatic nations besides the likes of Russia, Iran and NK. You don’t seem mature enough for the discussion to be honest.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
Go fuck yourself.
If you can seriously type out the words “free and democratic “ while that same country operates the world’s largest outdoor prison, where the citizens have almost zero right of movement and are kept in perpetual detention, go fuck yourself.
It’s not a democracy, when you keep a huge segment of the population like that. It’s a fucking joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.
It’s exactly this type of desperation justification that shows you’ve traded that big, beautiful brain you were gifted by god with for racist propaganda.
When people call you Nazis, this is exactly what it means. It doesn’t mean you believe the exact same details that the Nazis did, but you followed the same fanatical batshit racist justifications for suppressing another people.
You allow that insane logic that killing civilians en mass and driving everyone out of their homes is not genocide. Everyone can see that the goal is not Hamas, it’s the full takeover of Gaza for the Jewish state.
You have swallowed that same idiot logic that drove the Nazis to exterminate Jews. You allowed yourself to pretend that it’s ok to murder innocent people, because they somehow deserve it.
That’s why,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Never did or said any of that. You did. Making assumptions about strangers and name calling on the internet so you can feel right is not rational btw.
I made a single point that is vastly internationally recognized by most all diplomatic nations besides the likes of Russia, Iran and NK. You don’t seem mature enough for the discussion to be honest.
The only reason you try to make Israel out to be reasonable (it’s not) and democratic (it’s not) is to defend its actions.
The slaughter is unjustifiable in any ‘reasonable’ and ‘mature’ standpoint. You already abandoned that, even though you pretend otherwise. I have no time for such weak attempts at rationalizing the mass bombardment of a civilization population for the acts of a few.
So for anyone attempting to justify or downplay this brutal slaughter, fuck you. You are morally repugnant.
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Let’s do the math. Israel claims to have killed 60 Hammas operatives, while over 10,000 civilian Palestinians killed in the process. Please ban any of these clowns trying to troll and say that any of this is justified.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
Go fuck yourself.
If you can seriously type out the words “free and democratic “ while that same country operates the world’s largest outdoor prison, where the citizens have almost zero right of movement and are kept in perpetual detention, go fuck yourself.
It’s not a democracy, when you keep a huge segment of the population like that. It’s a fucking joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.
It’s exactly this type of desperation justification that shows you’ve traded that big, beautiful brain you were gifted by god with for racist propaganda.
When people call you Nazis, this is exactly what it means. It doesn’t mean you believe the exact same details that the Nazis did, but you followed the same fanatical batshit racist justifications for suppressing another people.
You allow that insane logic that killing civilians en mass and driving everyone out of their homes is not genocide. Everyone can see that the goal is not Hamas, it’s the full takeover of Gaza for the Jewish state.
You have swallowed that same idiot logic that drove the Nazis to exterminate Jews. You allowed yourself to pretend that it’s ok to murder innocent people, because they somehow deserve it.
That’s why,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Never did or said any of that. You did. Making assumptions about strangers and name calling on the internet so you can feel right is not rational btw.
I made a single point that is vastly internationally recognized by most all diplomatic nations besides the likes of Russia, Iran and NK. You don’t seem mature enough for the discussion to be honest.
The only reason you try to make Israel out to be reasonable (it’s not) and democratic (it’s not) is to defend its actions.
The slaughter is unjustifiable in any ‘reasonable’ and ‘mature’ standpoint. You already abandoned that, even though you pretend otherwise. I have no time for such weak attempts at rationalizing the mass bombardment of a civilization population for the acts of a few.
So for anyone attempting to justify or downplay this brutal slaughter, fuck you. You are morally repugnant.
Yikes. Go find where I co-signed any of Israels actions. I quite literally didn’t. But that’s ok you’re going to believe what you want about a stranger apparently.
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guys i am begging you please stop engaging with these sock puppet sub-100 post anonymous accounts who clearly aren’t arguing in good faith
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Even my dumb ass knows it’s a genocide and it didn’t start on the 7th.
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sure, it is, and has been, an ongoing shitshow since mid XX century (1948 go research). A little "peace" somewhere between mid 90's until 2003-4ish that Israel started the wall etc. Sure since 9/11 the different yihadist groups around muslim countries have developed quite a lot but more often than not (even in some countries where there are radicals running the countries) civilians for the most part aren't aligned with them, the thing is they are big time radical-terrorist groups so it ain't easy for the regular citizen to do much in that regard.
so yes: what's going on (and has been going on for the most part since 1948) is a subtle genocide and, with these last attacks, rn it is a straigh cold genocide (go ask the UN for starters and keep on reading-schooling my pals).
Salud! (y Paz this time)
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
Go fuck yourself.
If you can seriously type out the words “free and democratic “ while that same country operates the world’s largest outdoor prison, where the citizens have almost zero right of movement and are kept in perpetual detention, go fuck yourself.
It’s not a democracy, when you keep a huge segment of the population like that. It’s a fucking joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.
It’s exactly this type of desperation justification that shows you’ve traded that big, beautiful brain you were gifted by god with for racist propaganda.
When people call you Nazis, this is exactly what it means. It doesn’t mean you believe the exact same details that the Nazis did, but you followed the same fanatical batshit racist justifications for suppressing another people.
You allow that insane logic that killing civilians en mass and driving everyone out of their homes is not genocide. Everyone can see that the goal is not Hamas, it’s the full takeover of Gaza for the Jewish state.
You have swallowed that same idiot logic that drove the Nazis to exterminate Jews. You allowed yourself to pretend that it’s ok to murder innocent people, because they somehow deserve it.
That’s why,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Never did or said any of that. You did. Making assumptions about strangers and name calling on the internet so you can feel right is not rational btw.
I made a single point that is vastly internationally recognized by most all diplomatic nations besides the likes of Russia, Iran and NK. You don’t seem mature enough for the discussion to be honest.
you’re definitely mature enough to choke on my nuts playboy
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fuck the bullshit western neocolonial project called israel, spit on it for besmirching the promised land in the eyes of god. from the river to the sea.
Double yikes. Possibly psychotic. Not a good look brother.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
Go fuck yourself.
If you can seriously type out the words “free and democratic “ while that same country operates the world’s largest outdoor prison, where the citizens have almost zero right of movement and are kept in perpetual detention, go fuck yourself.
It’s not a democracy, when you keep a huge segment of the population like that. It’s a fucking joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.
It’s exactly this type of desperation justification that shows you’ve traded that big, beautiful brain you were gifted by god with for racist propaganda.
When people call you Nazis, this is exactly what it means. It doesn’t mean you believe the exact same details that the Nazis did, but you followed the same fanatical batshit racist justifications for suppressing another people.
You allow that insane logic that killing civilians en mass and driving everyone out of their homes is not genocide. Everyone can see that the goal is not Hamas, it’s the full takeover of Gaza for the Jewish state.
You have swallowed that same idiot logic that drove the Nazis to exterminate Jews. You allowed yourself to pretend that it’s ok to murder innocent people, because they somehow deserve it.
That’s why,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Never did or said any of that. You did. Making assumptions about strangers and name calling on the internet so you can feel right is not rational btw.
I made a single point that is vastly internationally recognized by most all diplomatic nations besides the likes of Russia, Iran and NK. You don’t seem mature enough for the discussion to be honest.
The only reason you try to make Israel out to be reasonable (it’s not) and democratic (it’s not) is to defend its actions.
The slaughter is unjustifiable in any ‘reasonable’ and ‘mature’ standpoint. You already abandoned that, even though you pretend otherwise. I have no time for such weak attempts at rationalizing the mass bombardment of a civilization population for the acts of a few.
So for anyone attempting to justify or downplay this brutal slaughter, fuck you. You are morally repugnant.
Yikes. Go find where I co-signed any of Israels actions. I quite literally didn’t. But that’s ok you’re going to believe what you want about a stranger apparently.
Ok, here’s your chance.
If I jumped the gun and misread you, I will genuinely apologize. I did read a lot into what little you wrote.
I also read into what you didn’t write. In all your rational, calm, calculated posts, you never once made the caveat that Israel is yes, conducting itself in a way that can only be reasonably described as criminal, and increasingly genocidal.
So here you go. What is your nuanced position on killing over 10,000 civilians (in an enclosed area Israel controls) in retribution for a terrible attack perpetrated by a group that has only marginal support in said enclosed area?
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
According to international law it doesn’t. Some actions that the IDF have taken in their response certainly qualify as war crimes, you could call them barbaric, senseless or evil if that is what you think of them. But it’s not genocide. The Holocaust, Holodomor, what happened to the Armenians is genocide. Intend is the keyword. If the term genocide gets thrown around in the context of almost every armed conflict that people are emotionally involved in for one reason or another, I think we risk ending up desensitized to how drastic it is: the worst crime of all crimes.
israel has openly stated their intent to turn gaza to dust, and their military operations mostly target civilians - if that's not 'intend' enough for you, i don't know what would be
Please provide proof of both claims. Last time I checked Israel stated that they wanted to eradicate Hamas, the jihadist terror group that is known to place their position in the most densely populated areas of Gaza City.
Well one is a free and democratic nation and the other has openly declared jihad against the other and is a known terrorist organization. Really not a hard decision if you’re a reasonable and rational person. War sucks no matter what obviously but that should go without saying.
Go fuck yourself.
If you can seriously type out the words “free and democratic “ while that same country operates the world’s largest outdoor prison, where the citizens have almost zero right of movement and are kept in perpetual detention, go fuck yourself.
It’s not a democracy, when you keep a huge segment of the population like that. It’s a fucking joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.
It’s exactly this type of desperation justification that shows you’ve traded that big, beautiful brain you were gifted by god with for racist propaganda.
When people call you Nazis, this is exactly what it means. It doesn’t mean you believe the exact same details that the Nazis did, but you followed the same fanatical batshit racist justifications for suppressing another people.
You allow that insane logic that killing civilians en mass and driving everyone out of their homes is not genocide. Everyone can see that the goal is not Hamas, it’s the full takeover of Gaza for the Jewish state.
You have swallowed that same idiot logic that drove the Nazis to exterminate Jews. You allowed yourself to pretend that it’s ok to murder innocent people, because they somehow deserve it.
That’s why,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Never did or said any of that. You did. Making assumptions about strangers and name calling on the internet so you can feel right is not rational btw.
I made a single point that is vastly internationally recognized by most all diplomatic nations besides the likes of Russia, Iran and NK. You don’t seem mature enough for the discussion to be honest.
The only reason you try to make Israel out to be reasonable (it’s not) and democratic (it’s not) is to defend its actions.
The slaughter is unjustifiable in any ‘reasonable’ and ‘mature’ standpoint. You already abandoned that, even though you pretend otherwise. I have no time for such weak attempts at rationalizing the mass bombardment of a civilization population for the acts of a few.
So for anyone attempting to justify or downplay this brutal slaughter, fuck you. You are morally repugnant.
Yikes. Go find where I co-signed any of Israels actions. I quite literally didn’t. But that’s ok you’re going to believe what you want about a stranger apparently.
Ok, here’s your chance.
If I jumped the gun and misread you, I will genuinely apologize. I did read a lot into what little you wrote.
I also read into what you didn’t write. In all your rational, calm, calculated posts, you never once made the caveat that Israel is yes, conducting itself in a way that can only be reasonably described as criminal, and increasingly genocidal.
So here you go. What is your nuanced position on killing over 10,000 civilians (in an enclosed area Israel controls) in retribution for a terrible attack perpetrated by a group that has only marginal support in said enclosed area?
Do you believe that Hamas has only marginal support, or majority support by a small margin?
I know people have been pointing out that their hasn’t been an election since Hamas took power in 2006, but I’ve not seen any polls that suggest they have marginal support amongst palistinians, though possibly not a majority.
Here’s one example, but I literally can’t find one that suggests their is anything akin to marginal support of Hamas in Gaza.
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
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Have a look here for further clarification
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/81918/does-hamas-have-popular-support-at-home
On its own, before this current shitstorm, Hamas had a mild positive reputation (58%), but when asked which organization they actually supported, the Palestinian Authority got 70%.
So depending on how the question was framed. And who knows now.
It still doesn’t change the fact that you don’t punish the citizenry for acts of the government. That’s a as war crime.
Hamas is guilty of it, and Israel is guilty 10x over.
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Shout out Maen and Skate Jawn for making this piece happen. It couldn't be done without dedicated, on-the-ground work that goes beyond 'just skateboarding', and it takes a certain lived experience to be able to deliver such an informed piece.
Existence is political and skateboarding needs more of these spaces where people can openly be curious about, engage or discuss these topics on an informed level.
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Guys if you really wanna know what israel is doing to palestinians
check these accounts on instagram journalists in gaza filming with their phones no western media bullshit
@eye.on.palestine
@motaz_azaiza
big news stations will not show whats happening also warning some gruesome stuff on there but its the truth
israel is a terrorist state
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fuck the bullshit western neocolonial project called israel, spit on it for besmirching the promised land in the eyes of god. from the river to the sea.
Double yikes. Possibly psychotic. Not a good look brother.
"uhh this is a bad look" says drooling jersey mongoloid defending a country bombing maternity wards
Brother it may be difficult to have a good day in UD or the Clifton dump you live in but do please try
Good looks to anyone in this thread not spewing hatred, anger, and tiki tok buzzwords. And much love to all the good innocent people on both sides of this coin. Unfortunately those are not the people you hear speaking out. Gonna go skate now so peace ✌️
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It's a notable irony that the fucking imbeciles prattling on about this "misinformation" bullshit seem to really think that the middle aged skaters who post here are getting their news from Tik-Tok, while they are literally repeating some of the most mindless, dead-end, mainstream media talking points.
"Don't you see guys, if you were smart like me and listened to Bovine Bari Weiss, you'd understand that there's a lot more nUaNcE when it comes to strafing a convoy of ambulances with an F16 fighter jet."
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Have a look here for further clarification
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/81918/does-hamas-have-popular-support-at-home
On its own, before this current shitstorm, Hamas had a mild positive reputation (58%), but when asked which organization they actually supported, the Palestinian Authority got 70%.
So depending on how the question was framed. And who knows now.
It still doesn’t change the fact that you don’t punish the citizenry for acts of the government. That’s a as war crime.
Hamas is guilty of it, and Israel is guilty 10x over.
in the numbers on your link 58% generally approve of Hamas (a group that clearly believes in jihad); that’s not mildly positive or marginal by any measure. That’s a solid majority of support.
I didn’t suggest that these citizens be targeted like combatants because of this support; in fact you were claiming that they were less culpable because of their “marginal support”. Not sure why their lack of support would absolve them in your eyes, despite your view no amount of support would make them culpable.
I’ve seen many people claim recently that their are no Israeli citizens because of their military service requirement, so it seems like people might be assigning culpability as it suits them.
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fuck the bullshit western neocolonial project called israel, spit on it for besmirching the promised land in the eyes of god. from the river to the sea.
Double yikes. Possibly psychotic. Not a good look brother.
"uhh this is a bad look" says drooling jersey mongoloid defending a country bombing maternity wards
Brother it may be difficult to have a good day in UD or the Clifton dump you live in but do please try
Good looks to anyone in this thread not spewing hatred, anger, and tiki tok buzzwords. And much love to all the good innocent people on both sides of this coin. Unfortunately those are not the people you hear speaking out. Gonna go skate now so peace ✌️
“Much love to all the good innocent people on both sides. Unfortunately those are not the people speaking out.”
What planet do you live on? Who are you listening to? Hamas and the Israel army? You are not a very good troll.
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Have a look here for further clarification
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/81918/does-hamas-have-popular-support-at-home
On its own, before this current shitstorm, Hamas had a mild positive reputation (58%), but when asked which organization they actually supported, the Palestinian Authority got 70%.
So depending on how the question was framed. And who knows now.
It still doesn’t change the fact that you don’t punish the citizenry for acts of the government. That’s a as war crime.
Hamas is guilty of it, and Israel is guilty 10x over.
in the numbers on your link 58% generally approve of Hamas (a group that clearly believes in jihad); that’s not mildly positive or marginal by any measure. That’s a solid majority of support.
I didn’t suggest that these citizens be targeted like combatants because of this support; in fact you were claiming that they were less culpable because of their “marginal support”. Not sure why their lack of support would absolve them in your eyes, despite your view no amount of support would make them culpable.
I’ve seen many people claim recently that their are no Israeli citizens because of their military service requirement, so it seems like people might be assigning culpability as it suits them.
I agree with you on all this stuff, except how meaningful the “58%” support means. If you read the article, the authors don’t find it particularly strong either. Not something I find particularly important enough to argue about.
I couldn’t find the original source for the low support I read (27%), so I’ll readily admit I was wrong there.
But this is an aside to my main concern that thousands are being massacred now. A poll taken months ago doesn’t have much bearing on it
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If you believe that voting for Hamas or that a poll showing support for Hamas justifies anything happening now, then you must then acknowledge that 9/11 was fully justified. After all, it was an attack on a population which ratifies the government at least every two years, and against an administration which enjoyed majority support for its barbarous policies.
Congratulations to everyone who became a Maoist Third Worldist in the past four weeks.
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If you believe that voting for Hamas or that a poll showing support for Hamas justifies anything happening now, then you must then acknowledge that 9/11 was fully justified. After all, it was an attack on a population which ratifies the government at least every two years, and against an administration which enjoyed majority support for its barbarous policies.
Congratulations to everyone who became a Maoist Third Worldist in the past four weeks.
Again, if you’re coming at me here, I was just trying to dispel the notion that Palestinians are not in support of Hamas, or that the support is on the margins or fringe.
Equating support of jihadi beliefs to any western governments actions shows you’re lack of understanding of what we’re (the global population vs Islamist religious extreamism) dealing with. What specifically do Americans support in the run up to 9/11 that you are using as justification for osama bin ladens actions?
58% approval of any party in the us, isn’t achieved even without advocating jihad.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
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Free Palestine
and if you're on Slap and not directly involved in the conflict count your blessings and have a good day
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
I know you’ll disagree but this take feels a bit naive. Social media has spread so much misinformation and it’s only getting worse. So many people watch a few videos and blindly follow what they’re told. Not everything is black and white but the propaganda on Tik tok ect is causing real harm even if you don’t want to acknowledge it. Hamas is not your friend. I do not support Israel’s far right govt. but there is an ignorance from the left when it comes to Hamas sympathizers ignoring their genocidal intentions.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
That’s how propaganda works foo
has it ever occurred to you that all the pro-israel content you see from major US media outlets might be propaganda?
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
That’s how propaganda works foo
Bold to admit you have been propagandized.
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Well this thread was exactly what I assumed it would be from the title. 80% of the people on Slap are so dumb and painful to read when the topic isn't skateboarding.
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appreciate Skate Jawn for publishing this.
s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
So you sincerely believe that the hundreds of thousands of protectors organized by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are supporters of Hamas?
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
So you sincerely believe that the hundreds of thousands of protectors organized by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are supporters of Hamas?
That’s not what he said at all. Your posts are beyond incoherent.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
So you sincerely believe that the hundreds of thousands of protectors organized by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are supporters of Hamas?
That’s not what he said at all. Your posts are beyond incoherent.
He just said that opposition to the genocide was from “fauex [sic] progressive young people” who have been brainwashed via evil TikTok clips into siding with Hamas, when in fact the bulk of the organizing has been done by Jewish anti-war groups who have never expressed any sympathy for Hamas.
Are you really this fucking dense? Or just another idiot on arguing in bad faith?
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
So you sincerely believe that the hundreds of thousands of protectors organized by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are supporters of Hamas?
I can’t emphasize enough that JVP does not represent the Jewish opinion whatsoever. They’re a fringe group that have actually promoted terrorists in the past and are fully being tokenized at the moment. Please do not use them as an example just bc of their name. They represent a small minority and a lot of their members are not Jewish. It’s deceiving because if you don’t look into their history you would assume they are unanimously accepted but it’s the opposite. They even justified the 7th 🤦🏻♂️
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When some of the most educated and literate scholars, human rights advocates, organizations and outlets, along with israeli civilians, jews from all over the world and employees of the united states government are stating that the israeli government is committing heinous warcrimes and genocide - the take that "leftist tik-tokers spitting buzzwords" doesn't hold much water.
free palestine
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Glue Skateboards and There Skateboards are supposed to do some demos over there in Palestine in a few days.
you are disgusting.
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It especially doesn't have meaning because Hamas isn't the only political faction in Palestine. What matters is that EVERY faction besides the traitorous PA are aligned against Israel. If you think all of those factions are acting autonomously from the people of Palestine, then you are ignorant of what is going on the ground right now.
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Look at a couple maps of Israel and Palestine since 1947. Even my dumb ass knows this is a genocide.
Plus, people from Israel arrest, kill, take land, humiliate, take all the rights from people from Israel, they even have the power to take their water, electricity, internet, etc, they totally control that people and this is being happening for decades and then tell that Hamas are the only terrorist in this whole story, really really fishy.
Israel has been created by the western world ( mainly USA ) because its useful for them to have a country on their side in the middle east but this is far from right.
What Israel and their government ( and also their people because most of them agree with this genocide ) to Palestinian people for decades is true evil in the purest form.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
That’s how propaganda works foo
Bold to admit you have been propagandized.
Post your TikTok feed homes.
@manysnakes wants Israel wiped off the map and slap loves him for it.
i don't use tiktok and the fact that it's a genocide is pretty plain to see
it's sad to see that so many skateboarders here are bootlickers
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I received a warning from Slap about not posting offensive comments from one I made earlier and would like to….clarify. Sometimes I will make jokes on here of something that is so obviously NOT going to happen. It’s my approach to commenting on topics like this one, where I’m trying to somewhat make a point but in jest. I apologize if I offended any of you, honestly. A fair question to ask is IF one of those skateboard teams did happen to visit Palestine how would they be treated? How would they be treated in Israel? I hate the idea of thousands of innocent civilians be caught up in this. I hate that there is a lot more to this than any of us know about. I hate that one side feels like they have to hit a territory this hard. This situation sucks. Mods, y’all can ban me now.
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I deleted my posts, felt weird to argue with fellow skateboarders. Love all. Peace
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
So you sincerely believe that the hundreds of thousands of protectors organized by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are supporters of Hamas?
I can’t emphasize enough that JVP does not represent the Jewish opinion whatsoever. They’re a fringe group that have actually promoted terrorists in the past and are fully being tokenized at the moment. Please do not use them as an example just bc of their name. They represent a small minority and a lot of their members are not Jewish. It’s deceiving because if you don’t look into their history you would assume they are unanimously accepted but it’s the opposite. They even justified the 7th 🤦🏻♂️
There is no ‘Jewish opinion’, just the same as there is no ‘Canadian opinion’ or ‘New York’ opinion, as if a group of people that large all think the same. There isn’t even a head if the religion to ‘set doctrine’, thank god.
Some Jews, especially ones that survived the holocaust, are enraged at what Israel is doing in their name.
Trying to squeeze a simple narrative onto the varied ideas/actions of a large, complex group is a job for racists and idiots.
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…much love to all the good innocent people on both sides of this coin. Unfortunately those are not the people you hear speaking out.
Brother, I’ve got to respectfully ask you where the fuck your ears been living at these last, say… 70 years or so, that you have NOT managed to hear the voices of the “innocent people on both sides of this coin”?!?
They’re plenty loud, Jews & Muslims, Israelis & Palestinians alike.
You out here acting like people just started talking about this last week or something.
Either join the cause for peace or just stop pontificating about it from the sidelines: you’re either listening or your not, but don’t come up in here with your goofy equivocations & lack of any historic understanding, while acting like you support an end to this violence.
Just stop.
I mean it.
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…much love to all the good innocent people on both sides of this coin. Unfortunately those are not the people you hear speaking out.
You out here acting like people just started talking about this last week or something.
Either join the cause for peace or just stop pontificating about it from the sidelines: you’re either listening or your not, but don’t come up in here with your goofy equivocations & lack of history, while acting like you support an end to this violence.
Just stop.
I mean it.
No need to talk in circles brother. I absolutely support an end to the violence. Best of luck to making that happen.
How are there not innocent people on both sides? And why does that statement bother you?
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I'm solidly Gen X, so I grew up on a fairly steady diet of anti-Palestinian propaganda via the nightly news. I was sure that because Peter Jennings told me, every Palestinian was a potential suicide bomber and poor defenseless Israel was just trying to exist.
Turns out Israel's leaders took copious notes during the Holocaust and have decided that with some tweaks, they could do it better and get the Western world to bankroll it.
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…much love to all the good innocent people on both sides of this coin. Unfortunately those are not the people you hear speaking out.
You out here acting like people just started talking about this last week or something.
Either join the cause for peace or just stop pontificating about it from the sidelines: you’re either listening or your not, but don’t come up in here with your goofy equivocations & lack of history, while acting like you support an end to this violence.
Just stop.
I mean it.
No need to talk in circles brother. I absolutely support an end to the violence. Best of luck to making that happen.
How are there not innocent people on both sides? And why does that statement bother you?
My dood, do you read?
If so, did you intentionally CHOOSE not to read the words I typed, or did you just forget to because you were so preoccupied attempting to come up with a bad faith rebuttal that didn’t appear to be in said poor faith?
Here, I’m going to help you regardless. Kindly read the below quote & show us on the doll where I disputed the innocence of either side, or where your statement bothered me.
All I said was you are coming off like a ding-dong over here.
Brother, I’ve got to respectfully ask you where the fuck your ears been living at these last, say… 70 years or so, that you have NOT managed to hear the voices of the “innocent people on both sides of this coin”?!?
They’re plenty loud, Jews & Muslims, Israelis & Palestinians alike.
How convenient for you that you “forgot” to include the last sentence when you pulled my quote above, as it supported my position that “innocent people on both sides” have been striving for peace for about as long as there has been an Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
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…much love to all the good innocent people on both sides of this coin. Unfortunately those are not the people you hear speaking out.
You out here acting like people just started talking about this last week or something.
Either join the cause for peace or just stop pontificating about it from the sidelines: you’re either listening or your not, but don’t come up in here with your goofy equivocations & lack of history, while acting like you support an end to this violence.
Just stop.
I mean it.
No need to talk in circles brother. I absolutely support an end to the violence. Best of luck to making that happen.
How are there not innocent people on both sides? And why does that statement bother you?
If so, did you intentionally CHOOSE not to read the words I typed, or did you just forget to because you were so preoccupied attempting to come up with a bad faith rebuttal that didn’t appear to be in said poor faith?
Here, I’m going to help you regardless. Kindly read the below quote & show us on the doll where I disputed the innocence of either side, or where your statement bothered me.
All I said was you are coming off like a ding-dong over here.
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Brother, I’ve got to respectfully ask you where the fuck your ears been living at these last, say… 70 years or so, that you have NOT managed to hear the voices of the “innocent people on both sides of this coin”?!?
They’re plenty loud, Jews & Muslims, Israelis & Palestinians alike.
Sounds good brother. Obviously I read your long angry rants but you kind of said a whole lot of nothing. Not sure what you mean by ‘bad faith’. Very bizarre phrase to keep throwing around. Hope you enjoy your weekend and get some skating in, instead of thinking about this nonsense✌️
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…much love to all the good innocent people on both sides of this coin. Unfortunately those are not the people you hear speaking out.
You out here acting like people just started talking about this last week or something.
Either join the cause for peace or just stop pontificating about it from the sidelines: you’re either listening or your not, but don’t come up in here with your goofy equivocations & lack of history, while acting like you support an end to this violence.
Just stop.
I mean it.
No need to talk in circles brother. I absolutely support an end to the violence. Best of luck to making that happen.
How are there not innocent people on both sides? And why does that statement bother you?
If so, did you intentionally CHOOSE not to read the words I typed, or did you just forget to because you were so preoccupied attempting to come up with a bad faith rebuttal that didn’t appear to be in said poor faith?
Here, I’m going to help you regardless. Kindly read the below quote & show us on the doll where I disputed the innocence of either side, or where your statement bothered me.
All I said was you are coming off like a ding-dong over here.
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Brother, I’ve got to respectfully ask you where the fuck your ears been living at these last, say… 70 years or so, that you have NOT managed to hear the voices of the “innocent people on both sides of this coin”?!?
They’re plenty loud, Jews & Muslims, Israelis & Palestinians alike.
Sounds good brother. Obviously I read your long angry rants but you kind of said a whole lot of nothing. Not sure what you mean by ‘bad faith’. Very bizarre phrase to keep throwing around. Hope you enjoy your weekend and get some skating in, instead of thinking about this nonsense✌️
Indiscriminately killing Palestinian civilians isn’t nonsense. It’s ethnic cleansing. Anyone who kills civilians is a terrorist.
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It's so terrible and sad to see and read even here on SLAP, how far the dehumanization of Palestinian people have gone for so many. Instead of seeing them as people, they are continued to be labeled as single group of "HAMAS", "terrorist" or similar. I see the same kind of comments in my job and in the media and see how far it has gone. The voice of Palestinian people doesn't bear any weight for them, it's always labeled as lies or propaganda by Hamas, while anything from Israeli sources is the truth.
But what is different now is the internet and social media. You can see the atrocities done by Israel in Gaza or West Bank on your screen live while it's happening. It's not some state sanctioned propaganda, it's actual people living there posting things they see, feel or are part of. And what they have shown, is so horrifying, so brutal, so dark it should've not happened or should happen ever again. It's not some Hamas soldiers on the front line, it's children and adults murdered with bomb, hospitals, schools, and homes turned to rubble, it's genocide. The trauma these people face especially the children, is something that is hard, impossible to erase.
If people at least would have read the Maen Hammad's Skate Jawn article, maybe they would even once thought that, this story is about skateboarders like us, living in a completely different situation, but still share something we love. Story about skateboarders that got killed by a brutal military occupation, about people who want to live in freedom without being trapped, controlled and dominated by an oppressive occupation.
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…much love to all the good innocent people on both sides of this coin. Unfortunately those are not the people you hear speaking out.
You out here acting like people just started talking about this last week or something.
Either join the cause for peace or just stop pontificating about it from the sidelines: you’re either listening or your not, but don’t come up in here with your goofy equivocations & lack of history, while acting like you support an end to this violence.
Just stop.
I mean it.
No need to talk in circles brother. I absolutely support an end to the violence. Best of luck to making that happen.
How are there not innocent people on both sides? And why does that statement bother you?
If so, did you intentionally CHOOSE not to read the words I typed, or did you just forget to because you were so preoccupied attempting to come up with a bad faith rebuttal that didn’t appear to be in said poor faith?
Here, I’m going to help you regardless. Kindly read the below quote & show us on the doll where I disputed the innocence of either side, or where your statement bothered me.
All I said was you are coming off like a ding-dong over here.
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Brother, I’ve got to respectfully ask you where the fuck your ears been living at these last, say… 70 years or so, that you have NOT managed to hear the voices of the “innocent people on both sides of this coin”?!?
They’re plenty loud, Jews & Muslims, Israelis & Palestinians alike.
Sounds good brother. Obviously I read your long angry rants but you kind of said a whole lot of nothing. Not sure what you mean by ‘bad faith’. Very bizarre phrase to keep throwing around. Hope you enjoy your weekend and get some skating in, instead of thinking about this nonsense✌️
That goes both ways brother. How much do you know about the iron dome? Even with this incredible defense system rockets hit Israel all the time. If you don’t believe it just watch some of the live feeds, you’ll see it in real time. If you’re using lots of tribalist buzzwords but aren’t considering facts, then yes your approach is rather nonsensical. Not too much more I can add to this thread, enjoy your day 😎✌️
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…much love to all the good innocent people on both sides of this coin. Unfortunately those are not the people you hear speaking out.
You out here acting like people just started talking about this last week or something.
Either join the cause for peace or just stop pontificating about it from the sidelines: you’re either listening or your not, but don’t come up in here with your goofy equivocations & lack of history, while acting like you support an end to this violence.
Just stop.
I mean it.
No need to talk in circles brother. I absolutely support an end to the violence. Best of luck to making that happen.
How are there not innocent people on both sides? And why does that statement bother you?
If so, did you intentionally CHOOSE not to read the words I typed, or did you just forget to because you were so preoccupied attempting to come up with a bad faith rebuttal that didn’t appear to be in said poor faith?
Here, I’m going to help you regardless. Kindly read the below quote & show us on the doll where I disputed the innocence of either side, or where your statement bothered me.
All I said was you are coming off like a ding-dong over here.
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Brother, I’ve got to respectfully ask you where the fuck your ears been living at these last, say… 70 years or so, that you have NOT managed to hear the voices of the “innocent people on both sides of this coin”?!?
They’re plenty loud, Jews & Muslims, Israelis & Palestinians alike.
Sounds good brother. Obviously I read your long angry rants but you kind of said a whole lot of nothing. Not sure what you mean by ‘bad faith’. Very bizarre phrase to keep throwing around. Hope you enjoy your weekend and get some skating in, instead of thinking about this nonsense✌️
That goes both ways brother. How much do you know about the iron dome? Even with this incredible defense system rockets hit Israel all the time. If you don’t believe it just watch some of the live feeds, you’ll see it in real time. If you’re using lots of tribalist buzzwords but aren’t considering facts, then yes your approach is rather nonsensical. Not too much more I can add to this thread, enjoy your day 😎✌️
Hamas is not the same as Palestinian citizens and not all Israelis are IDF dick-lickers.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
So you sincerely believe that the hundreds of thousands of protectors organized by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are supporters of Hamas?
I can’t emphasize enough that JVP does not represent the Jewish opinion whatsoever. They’re a fringe group that have actually promoted terrorists in the past and are fully being tokenized at the moment. Please do not use them as an example just bc of their name. They represent a small minority and a lot of their members are not Jewish. It’s deceiving because if you don’t look into their history you would assume they are unanimously accepted but it’s the opposite. They even justified the 7th 🤦🏻♂️
They represent my opinion as an American Jew, and the opinions of my family and friends. It seems clear from surveys such as this (https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-generation-gap-in-opinions-toward-israel/) that JVP fairly accurately repsesent the majority of young Jewish opinion towards Israel.
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I deleted my posts, felt weird to argue with fellow skateboarders. Love all. Peace
You didn’t even argue, though. You accused me, someone who has been involved with this issue for his entire adult life, of wanting to destroy Israel and insinuated that my opinions were formed by TikTok rather than my experiences as a Jew.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
So you sincerely believe that the hundreds of thousands of protectors organized by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are supporters of Hamas?
I can’t emphasize enough that JVP does not represent the Jewish opinion whatsoever. They’re a fringe group that have actually promoted terrorists in the past and are fully being tokenized at the moment. Please do not use them as an example just bc of their name. They represent a small minority and a lot of their members are not Jewish. It’s deceiving because if you don’t look into their history you would assume they are unanimously accepted but it’s the opposite. They even justified the 7th 🤦🏻♂️
They represent my opinion as an American Jew, and the opinions of my family and friends. It seems clear from surveys such as this (https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-generation-gap-in-opinions-toward-israel/) that JVP fairly accurately repsesent the majority of young Jewish opinion towards Israel.
That’s fine and understandable but a few hours after my post they were suspended from Columbia for hateful rhetoric. Maybe there’s a shred of truth in what I was saying? Look at jvparody on ig. Lots of screenshots there.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2023-11-10/ty-article/.premium/two-pro-palestinian-groups-spearheading-anti-israel-protests-at-columbia-suspended/0000018b-bae1-d03e-a3ab-bbfd039a0000
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I deleted my posts, felt weird to argue with fellow skateboarders. Love all. Peace
You didn’t even argue, though. You accused me, someone who has been involved with this issue for his entire adult life, of wanting to destroy Israel and insinuated that my opinions were formed by TikTok rather than my experiences as a Jew.
You obviously have unresolved concerns with your people. Peace be upon you beloved.
My posts may have been coffee induced and I had no place in speaking on the matter.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
So you sincerely believe that the hundreds of thousands of protectors organized by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are supporters of Hamas?
I can’t emphasize enough that JVP does not represent the Jewish opinion whatsoever. They’re a fringe group that have actually promoted terrorists in the past and are fully being tokenized at the moment. Please do not use them as an example just bc of their name. They represent a small minority and a lot of their members are not Jewish. It’s deceiving because if you don’t look into their history you would assume they are unanimously accepted but it’s the opposite. They even justified the 7th 🤦🏻♂️
They represent my opinion as an American Jew, and the opinions of my family and friends. It seems clear from surveys such as this (https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-generation-gap-in-opinions-toward-israel/) that JVP fairly accurately repsesent the majority of young Jewish opinion towards Israel.
That’s fine and understandable but a few hours after my post they were suspended from Columbia for hateful rhetoric. Maybe there’s a shred of truth in what I was saying? Look at jvparody on ig. Lots of screenshots there.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2023-11-10/ty-article/.premium/two-pro-palestinian-groups-spearheading-anti-israel-protests-at-columbia-suspended/0000018b-bae1-d03e-a3ab-bbfd039a0000
Oh no, not COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY!!!
If you’re attempting to turn people away from JVP, linking to an article in Haaretz (subscription only 🤔) about them running afoul of a completely rotten, elite institution isn’t really bolstering your argument.
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I deleted my posts, felt weird to argue with fellow skateboarders. Love all. Peace
You didn’t even argue, though. You accused me, someone who has been involved with this issue for his entire adult life, of wanting to destroy Israel and insinuated that my opinions were formed by TikTok rather than my experiences as a Jew.
You obviously have unresolved concerns with your people. Peace be upon you beloved.
My posts may have been coffee induced and I had no place in speaking on the matter.
My unresolved concerns are that my people have been reduced to a vassal state for US hegemony. “America’s unsinkable battleship in the Middle East,” indeed.
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Fuck hamas and fuck anyone who supports them. Also fuck skateboarders trying to summarize decades of conflict based on tik tok videos they saw over the past 2 weeks. Sit the fuck down.
It’s truly amazing how every bozo decided simultaneously this week that the only reason young people oppose the genocide happening in plain sight of the world is because they’re getting their information from the nefarious Chinese social media app. SeWiNg DiScOrD!!!
It’s possible feaux progressive young people could organically side with a jihadist terrorist group and regurgitate their slogans without social media, but it isn’t likely.
So you sincerely believe that the hundreds of thousands of protectors organized by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are supporters of Hamas?
I can’t emphasize enough that JVP does not represent the Jewish opinion whatsoever. They’re a fringe group that have actually promoted terrorists in the past and are fully being tokenized at the moment. Please do not use them as an example just bc of their name. They represent a small minority and a lot of their members are not Jewish. It’s deceiving because if you don’t look into their history you would assume they are unanimously accepted but it’s the opposite. They even justified the 7th 🤦🏻♂️
They represent my opinion as an American Jew, and the opinions of my family and friends. It seems clear from surveys such as this (https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-generation-gap-in-opinions-toward-israel/) that JVP fairly accurately repsesent the majority of young Jewish opinion towards Israel.
That’s fine and understandable but a few hours after my post they were suspended from Columbia for hateful rhetoric. Maybe there’s a shred of truth in what I was saying? Look at jvparody on ig. Lots of screenshots there.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2023-11-10/ty-article/.premium/two-pro-palestinian-groups-spearheading-anti-israel-protests-at-columbia-suspended/0000018b-bae1-d03e-a3ab-bbfd039a0000
Oh no, not COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY!!!
If you’re attempting to turn people away from JVP, linking to an article in Haaretz (subscription only 🤔) about them running afoul of a completely rotten, elite institution isn’t really bolstering your argument.
Ok simmer down... There’s a ton of other news sources that posted about that suspension as well. I think that says more about the student’s safety concerns tbh. I’m a liberal Jew myself but I wouldn’t follow jvp because of their track record with terrorist sympathizing. That being said the last thing that I want to do is debate with other Jews rn… seems a little silly given the past month.
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appreciate Skate Jawn for publishing this. the skateboarding industry has been embarrassingly silent on this issue and it's cool to see voices like Maen's being given a platform. he's 100% right, skateboarding is inherently political and the idea that it can be depoliticized is ludicrous but incredibly commonplace. the culture is based on reappropriating public spaces and private property for unintended use, it's impossible to remove politics from that process.
s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Keep that shit out of skateboarding. I don’t care about Thrasher’s take on the war of Middle East. If was anything either than the choice of the status quo people would cry
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It's a genocide. They're targeting children because they are trying to erase any future resistance. The death of children and healthcare workers is a feature, not a bug.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It's a genocide. They're targeting children because they are trying to erase any future resistance. The death of children and healthcare workers is a feature, not a bug.
They are not targeting children. Half of the population of Gaza is under 25 so in order for this plan to work they would have to kill a million children/young people which they are clearly not going to do bc this would be indeed genocide.
What they are doing now is taking revenge. Which is never a good sensible thing to do. Also Netanyahu wants to show strength and deflect from the fact that his own policy with Hamas has partly enabled the terrorist attack on October 7.
However, that strategy is as stupid and unsustainable as it gets. For every child that ends up as a casualty in this war there will be five new militant Hamas supporters. It is an immoral and purely egoistic response of a fucking right wing politician. But it is not an intended try to end all palastinians.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It's a genocide. They're targeting children because they are trying to erase any future resistance. The death of children and healthcare workers is a feature, not a bug.
Is this something you’ve read with a source, or just a feeling you have about what’s going on?
Targeting children is something that you should provide a source for.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
I never said that Palestinians and Israelis are equal in terms of military power. If the were, the state of Israel would have ceased to exist a long time ago. Please also don´t forget that Israel has also been assaulted by its neighbors time and time again. It is surounded by countries that openly deny its very right of existence and would destroy the country in this moment if they had the means to do it.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
I never said that Palestinians and Israelis are equal in terms of military power. If the were, the state of Israel would have ceased to exist a long time ago. Please also don´t forget that Israel has also been assaulted by its neighbors time and time again. It is surounded by countries that openly deny its very right of existence and would destroy the country in this moment if they had the means to do it.
That is of zero consequence to the treatment of the Palestinians. Stop trying to stan for a murderous government (not to be confused with the Israeli people themselves, for idiots who like to conflate the two) that is giving the world a reason to hate it.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
Aah yes, the ‘rich Islamic terrorist’ trope, with a healthy dose religious fanaticism. Sounds just like the ultranationalist Israelis that run Israel.
Fuck then both. I want the killing of innocents to stop, and at the moment that is entirely in Israel’s hands.
How many Hamas operatives have they killed, now that Israel has butchered 10x as many Palestinians as Hamas killed? And many, many more babies than Hamas did?
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I don´t. In my very first post here I wrote that the government of Israel shouldn´t be doing what it does at the moment. I clearly condemned it.
On the flipside, I can´t stand this whole onesided "Freedom fighter" bullshit and genocide-talk coming from certain groups that apparently have no problem with the fact Hamas and a large chunk of the middle east would readily erase a whole country if they could. Also this whole holocaust relativism drives me nuts. What is happening in Gaza is nowhere similar to the holocaust.
I want to hear you say that Hamas are fucking terrorists that need stop what they are doing (similar to israeli settlers and right wing politicians).
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how about you go fuck yourself
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I don´t. In my very first post here I wrote that the government of Israel shouldn´t be doing what it does at the moment. I clearly condemned it.
On the flipside, I can´t stand this whole onesided "Freedom fighter" bullshit and genocide-talk coming from certain groups that apparently have no problem with the fact Hamas and a large chunk of the middle east would readily erase a whole country if they could. Also this whole holocaust relativism drives me nuts. What is happening in Gaza is nowhere similar to the holocaust.
I want to hear you say that Hamas are fucking terrorists that need stop what they are doing (similar to israeli settlers and right wing politicians).
Then read my posts. At no point have I ever endorsed Hamas. I hate ultra-religious groups that use violence. Both Hanas and the ruling parties if the Israeli government.
But I don’t pretend that what Hamas does to Israel and what Israel does to Hamas is in any way comparable.
I also not give a shit about the ‘Israel is under threat from its neighbors’ shtick because that has fuck all with how it is treating the Palestinians. It is merely a distraction tactic.
What Israel IS doing is massacring innocent civilians at a rate that goes wildly beyond any kind of reasonable revenge, and is pushing people out of their homes and forking them to migrate, while staking its flag as the soldiers are rejoicing about retaking the land.
If you think this is just about destroying Hamas, you have to be willfully blind.
Israel is attempting to take over Gaza for itself, and drive the population elsewhere.
Which is an aspect of genocide.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
Aah yes, the ‘rich Islamic terrorist’ trope, with a healthy dose religious fanaticism. Sounds just like the ultranationalist Israelis that run Israel.
Fuck then both. I want the killing of innocents to stop, and at the moment that is entirely in Israel’s hands.
How many Hamas operatives have they killed, now that Israel has butchered 10x as many Palestinians as Hamas killed? And many, many more babies than Hamas did?
I don’t think you understand what “trope” means.
They are literally multi billionaires, and the terrorists are clearly literally religious fanatics, it’s not a trope.
I said nothing positive about Israel, just correcting you’re idiotic assertion that Hamas operates out of desperation.
That’s great that you say “fuck then (sic) both” but it has nothing to do with what you are being corrected about by me.
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This is a horrifying situation which has captured the American mind (unlike the war in Yemen or Sudan) and it's difficult to process. I think everyone is trying to pick a side so that they can make sense of the horror.
There's no side to pick. The Palestinians are held hostage not only by Israel, but by a terrorist organization whose stated objective is annihilation of the Jewish state and it's population. A large minority of the civilian population, though not members of Hamas, are supportive of their actions. Then we have Israel whose stated aims are palatable, but whose actions and words behind closed doors are not dissimilar to that of Hamas (just more surgical). They also have a large minority of civilians are supportive of annihilation.
The Palestinian Authority has been neutered by Hamas. The Israeli government is under siege by right-wing leaders undermining democracy. In summary, we have a tyrannical authority (Hamas) and an aspiring authoritarian leader (Israel's). Where would a coalition of mediators start? How the fuck do you root for either side? How do you advocate for innocent, peace-minded citizens when they have no clear path to peace?
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This is a horrifying situation which has captured the American mind (unlike the war in Yemen or Sudan) and it's difficult to process. I think everyone is trying to pick a side so that they can make sense of the horror.
There's no side to pick. The Palestinians are held hostage not only by Israel, but by a terrorist organization whose stated objective is annihilation of the Jewish state and it's population. A large minority of the civilian population, though not members of Hamas, are supportive of their actions. Then we have Israel whose stated aims are palatable, but whose actions and words behind closed doors are not dissimilar to that of Hamas (just more surgical). They also have a large minority of civilians are supportive of annihilation.
The Palestinian Authority has been neutered by Hamas. The Israeli government is under siege by right-wing leaders undermining democracy. In summary, we have a tyrannical authority (Hamas) and an aspiring authoritarian leader (Israel's). Where would a coalition of mediators start? How the fuck do you root for either side? How do you advocate for innocent, peace-minded citizens when they have no clear path to peace?
Thank you so much for that statement. I fully agree.
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I don’t know how more nicely I can say it except fuck anyone who is ignoring or playing down the fact that the OVERWHELMING destruction and murder is committed by one side, and has been since Hamas began, and was the reason Hamas has any support at all.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
For fucks sake: comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is wrong and fucked up on so many levels.
I know we don’t agree on how we view this conflict. And I’m sure, we won’t solve it here, but at least have the decency to not shit on the shoah.
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There's one pretty fucking simple side to take and it's for the people of Palestine.
There's an oppressor, who is willing to drop a uncountable number of bombs to a place that they have build fences around and taken the people living there away their rights. When their bomb drops, the bombs don't stop to ask if you are HAMAS, how old you are or what you believe in, bombs just leave behind destruction, dead bodies and horrors you cannot imagine. When the oppressors goal is to destroy a nation, a group and their culture, it's the literal meaning of genocide.
There's no justification for killing more than 11 000 people, whom of which over 4000 were children in a month. No matter how Israel tries to justify their actions.
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Fuck get a room already
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I don’t know how more nicely I can say it except fuck anyone who is ignoring or playing down the fact that the OVERWHELMING destruction and murder is committed by one side, and has been since Hamas began, and was the reason Hamas has any support at all.
The exit polls suggest they had support mainly because of their claim they would end corruption of the Palestinian government though…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election#:~:text=Most%20also%20supported%20a%20two,for%20the%20organization's%20political%20platform.
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Can someone please focus this thread?
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If Israel wanted to kill all Palestinians, they could’ve done it in about 48 hours
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
Aah yes, the ‘rich Islamic terrorist’ trope, with a healthy dose religious fanaticism. Sounds just like the ultranationalist Israelis that run Israel.
Fuck then both. I want the killing of innocents to stop, and at the moment that is entirely in Israel’s hands.
How many Hamas operatives have they killed, now that Israel has butchered 10x as many Palestinians as Hamas killed? And many, many more babies than Hamas did?
I don’t think you understand what “trope” means.
They are literally multi billionaires, and the terrorists are clearly literally religious fanatics, it’s not a trope.
I said nothing positive about Israel, just correcting you’re idiotic assertion that Hamas operates out of desperation.
That’s great that you say “fuck then (sic) both” but it has nothing to do with what you are being corrected about by me.
What are your sources for these hamas billionaires? What’s their names? Honestly curious
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
Aah yes, the ‘rich Islamic terrorist’ trope, with a healthy dose religious fanaticism. Sounds just like the ultranationalist Israelis that run Israel.
Fuck then both. I want the killing of innocents to stop, and at the moment that is entirely in Israel’s hands.
How many Hamas operatives have they killed, now that Israel has butchered 10x as many Palestinians as Hamas killed? And many, many more babies than Hamas did?
I don’t think you understand what “trope” means.
They are literally multi billionaires, and the terrorists are clearly literally religious fanatics, it’s not a trope.
I said nothing positive about Israel, just correcting you’re idiotic assertion that Hamas operates out of desperation.
That’s great that you say “fuck then (sic) both” but it has nothing to do with what you are being corrected about by me.
What are your sources for these hamas billionaires? What’s their names? Honestly curious
Well it’s the internet, so maybe google “leaders of Hamas” followed by whatever you are interested in knowing about them.
But I guess I can do that for you.
Hold on….
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12706715/amp/Hamas-terrorist-billionaires-live-marble-floored-mansions.html
There you go, one of many articles.
Also check out Muhammad Qassem Sawalha’s current digs in England, he got a great deal on the property…
https://www.businesstoday.in/amp/latest/world/story/explosive-revelation-hamas-chief-who-ran-terror-groups-in-west-bank-got-govt-discount-to-buy-home-in-london-402918-2023-10-22
These terrorist leaders tend to love western opulence for themselves, and jihad and death for those they can brainwash.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12706715/amp/Hamas-terrorist-billionaires-live-marble-floored-mansions.html
There you go, one of many articles.
Also check out Muhammad Qassem Sawalha’s current digs in England, he got a great deal on the property…
https://www.businesstoday.in/amp/latest/world/story/explosive-revelation-hamas-chief-who-ran-terror-groups-in-west-bank-got-govt-discount-to-buy-home-in-london-402918-2023-10-22
These terrorist leaders tend to love western opulence for themselves, and jihad and death for those they can brainwash.
are you seriously citing daily mail?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12706715/amp/Hamas-terrorist-billionaires-live-marble-floored-mansions.html
There you go, one of many articles.
Also check out Muhammad Qassem Sawalha’s current digs in England, he got a great deal on the property…
https://www.businesstoday.in/amp/latest/world/story/explosive-revelation-hamas-chief-who-ran-terror-groups-in-west-bank-got-govt-discount-to-buy-home-in-london-402918-2023-10-22
These terrorist leaders tend to love western opulence for themselves, and jihad and death for those they can brainwash.
are you seriously citing daily mail?
Is the reporting wrong in terms of their worth?
Do you think their obscene weath in the face of their people’s poverty it’s something that is covered widely by Hamas sympathetic outlets like Al jezera? Those outlets not covering facts like this don’t make them not credible (though if you can show me they are not wealthy and hiding far from the fight I’m open to it).
If you as me about jered Kuchners sketchy wealth management dealings with the saudis I but the source I provide is very left leaning, that’s the way bias in media works, doesn’t mean his deal is on the up and up because one side calls it out. I feel like for some of you, it’s like it’s your first day on earth or something.
The business today article about sawala getting a government funded discount to buy his British estate is pretty interesting though, right?
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There's one pretty fucking simple side to take and it's for the people of Palestine.
There's an oppressor, who is willing to drop a uncountable number of bombs to a place that they have build fences around and taken the people living there away their rights. When their bomb drops, the bombs don't stop to ask if you are HAMAS, how old you are or what you believe in, bombs just leave behind destruction, dead bodies and horrors you cannot imagine. When the oppressors goal is to destroy a nation, a group and their culture, it's the literal meaning of genocide.
There's no justification for killing more than 11 000 people, whom of which over 4000 were children in a month. No matter how Israel tries to justify their actions.
40% of the population are kids under 18.
There's no genocide... yet
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-gaza-genocide-war.html)
Even if it has been corrected since, Hamas original charter had a genocidal intent though
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Current charter doesn’t have genocide, there is no actual way for Hamas to commit genocide, but somehow that’s comparable to the fact that Israel has slaughtered enough children and other innocents to bring itself to the cusp of accusations of official genocide (and probably already have well entered it, as the official death count is undercounted because of those under the rubble)
Stop making fucking stupid comparisons. There is none. This is not defense. This is not trying to destroy Hamas.
How many thousands of murdered children are we at now? 4? 5?
This is the massacre of a civilian population and driving them out.
Israeli officials are admitting this is another Nakba.
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“As you can see from this graph of the German population circa 1931, the Jews of Rhineland have nary a thing to worry about!”
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the graph admits to the existence of the state of palestine, so now im really confused
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
Aah yes, the ‘rich Islamic terrorist’ trope, with a healthy dose religious fanaticism. Sounds just like the ultranationalist Israelis that run Israel.
Fuck then both. I want the killing of innocents to stop, and at the moment that is entirely in Israel’s hands.
How many Hamas operatives have they killed, now that Israel has butchered 10x as many Palestinians as Hamas killed? And many, many more babies than Hamas did?
I don’t think you understand what “trope” means.
They are literally multi billionaires, and the terrorists are clearly literally religious fanatics, it’s not a trope.
I said nothing positive about Israel, just correcting you’re idiotic assertion that Hamas operates out of desperation.
That’s great that you say “fuck then (sic) both” but it has nothing to do with what you are being corrected about by me.
What are your sources for these hamas billionaires? What’s their names? Honestly curious
Well it’s the internet, so maybe google “leaders of Hamas” followed by whatever you are interested in knowing about them.
But I guess I can do that for you.
Hold on….
Hey dick head I asked YOUR source obviously I can google. I actually went and searched all four of their names and found a ton of better articles explaining their wealth. Literally why are all Israel supporters such condescending assholes it really doesn’t help your cause at all.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
Aah yes, the ‘rich Islamic terrorist’ trope, with a healthy dose religious fanaticism. Sounds just like the ultranationalist Israelis that run Israel.
Fuck then both. I want the killing of innocents to stop, and at the moment that is entirely in Israel’s hands.
How many Hamas operatives have they killed, now that Israel has butchered 10x as many Palestinians as Hamas killed? And many, many more babies than Hamas did?
I don’t think you understand what “trope” means.
They are literally multi billionaires, and the terrorists are clearly literally religious fanatics, it’s not a trope.
I said nothing positive about Israel, just correcting you’re idiotic assertion that Hamas operates out of desperation.
That’s great that you say “fuck then (sic) both” but it has nothing to do with what you are being corrected about by me.
What are your sources for these hamas billionaires? What’s their names? Honestly curious
Well it’s the internet, so maybe google “leaders of Hamas” followed by whatever you are interested in knowing about them.
But I guess I can do that for you.
Hold on….
Hey dick head I asked YOUR source obviously I can google. I actually went and searched all four of their names and found a ton of better articles explaining their wealth. Literally why are all Israel supporters such condescending assholes it really doesn’t help your cause at all.
all the zionists in this thread are too goddamned mealy-mouthed to actually write down their beliefs, let alone justify them, so instead they ask these obnoxious rhetorical questions and claim "you're putting words in their mouth" when you reach the logical conclusion implied by their questions. not to mention the guy earlier who was weaponizing homophobia against palestinians.
i know none of these people are arguing in good faith and it's on me for being in this thread and getting heated by it, but fuck all of you. i'm fucking nauseated
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Current charter doesn’t have genocide, there is no actual way for Hamas to commit genocide, but somehow that’s comparable to the fact that Israel has slaughtered enough children and other innocents to bring itself to the cusp of accusations of official genocide (and probably already have well entered it, as the official death count is undercounted because of those under the rubble)
Stop making fucking stupid comparisons. There is none. This is not defense. This is not trying to destroy Hamas.
How many thousands of murdered children are we at now? 4? 5?
This is the massacre of a civilian population and driving them out.
Israeli officials are admitting this is another Nakba.
Are you sure about that? Hamas did kill about 1,400 people last month. Not saying that the Isreali government is innocent because they're not, but Hamas has proven they can be genocidal as well.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
Aah yes, the ‘rich Islamic terrorist’ trope, with a healthy dose religious fanaticism. Sounds just like the ultranationalist Israelis that run Israel.
Fuck then both. I want the killing of innocents to stop, and at the moment that is entirely in Israel’s hands.
How many Hamas operatives have they killed, now that Israel has butchered 10x as many Palestinians as Hamas killed? And many, many more babies than Hamas did?
I don’t think you understand what “trope” means.
They are literally multi billionaires, and the terrorists are clearly literally religious fanatics, it’s not a trope.
I said nothing positive about Israel, just correcting you’re idiotic assertion that Hamas operates out of desperation.
That’s great that you say “fuck then (sic) both” but it has nothing to do with what you are being corrected about by me.
What are your sources for these hamas billionaires? What’s their names? Honestly curious
Well it’s the internet, so maybe google “leaders of Hamas” followed by whatever you are interested in knowing about them.
But I guess I can do that for you.
Hold on….
Hey dick head I asked YOUR source obviously I can google. I actually went and searched all four of their names and found a ton of better articles explaining their wealth. Literally why are all Israel supporters such condescending assholes it really doesn’t help your cause at all.
i know none of these people are arguing in good faith and it's on me for being in this thread and getting heated by it, but fuck all of you. i'm fucking nauseated
lol. Marxist Zionist here (so I’d consider myself pretty leftwing). I’m for a two state solution and speechless and shocked of how many people were killed - by the idf and by Hamas. But I don’t think we will find a solution on a skateboard forum. Not do I feel we need to discuss the details here. But I also think that there is no simple black and white position to this and I oppose those who only blame Israel. Because it’s not that simple. And not all people, who want Israel to exist, want the extermination of all Palestinian people.
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
Aah yes, the ‘rich Islamic terrorist’ trope, with a healthy dose religious fanaticism. Sounds just like the ultranationalist Israelis that run Israel.
Fuck then both. I want the killing of innocents to stop, and at the moment that is entirely in Israel’s hands.
How many Hamas operatives have they killed, now that Israel has butchered 10x as many Palestinians as Hamas killed? And many, many more babies than Hamas did?
I don’t think you understand what “trope” means.
They are literally multi billionaires, and the terrorists are clearly literally religious fanatics, it’s not a trope.
I said nothing positive about Israel, just correcting you’re idiotic assertion that Hamas operates out of desperation.
That’s great that you say “fuck then (sic) both” but it has nothing to do with what you are being corrected about by me.
What are your sources for these hamas billionaires? What’s their names? Honestly curious
Well it’s the internet, so maybe google “leaders of Hamas” followed by whatever you are interested in knowing about them.
But I guess I can do that for you.
Hold on….
Hey dick head I asked YOUR source obviously I can google. I actually went and searched all four of their names and found a ton of better articles explaining their wealth. Literally why are all Israel supporters such condescending assholes it really doesn’t help your cause at all.
i know none of these people are arguing in good faith and it's on me for being in this thread and getting heated by it, but fuck all of you. i'm fucking nauseated
Just handle it how you handled the recent civil war in Ethiopia.
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you've already said 'Not too much more I can add to this thread' pages ago, why don't you keep your word and shut up
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you've already said 'Not too much more I can add to this thread' pages ago, why don't you keep your word and shut up
Ah yes. Well keep trying to belittle/discredit/make personal insults while you preach and reach for some false equivalency in your hateful and emotionally driven thought process. All I did was spout of some facts without co-signing any type of violence. Best of luck to you brother 😎✌️
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Why is it so hard for some people in here to understand that this is not a black/white issue.
Is Israel´s response to the 7th October way out of line? Are there war crimes being committed? Yes, it surely is a brutal overreaction to the detriment of the palestinian civil population and shouldn´t be happening. But is it a genocide? Hell no, just because some israelian right wing nuts think that the palestinian people should be erased from the face of earth doesn´t make this a genocide. There are other legal criteria to determine that. After some of you guys logic bombing a target in a densely populated area would always be a genocide and that is definitely not the case. Let´s also not forget that using human shields, as is done by Hamas, is also considered a war-crime. Also Hamas and Hezbollah have been attacking (alone 9500 rockets since the start of this war) Israel for the last two decades and don´t give a fuck about israelian civilians neither. In fact, they openly deny the very right of their existence.
In short, both sides have no interest in the well-being of civilians on the opposing site nor in a peaceful 2-state-solution. Netanyahu and his cronies as well Hamas and Hezbolla should go and fuck themselves. There is only on thing for sure: This shit needs to stop.
It did not begin with October 7th, as fucked up as they are, Hamas is the reaction to decades of horrific abuse of the Palestinians. Keeping people in desperate conditions creates desperate people.
Don’t even try to pretend that the two sides are equal and have equivalent power. Like, that’s blaming the Jews for their conditions in Nazi Germany. And many did fight back, which allowed the government to respond even more brutally. Im sure if the Jews then had access to weaponry on a similar scale to the Palestinians, people would’ve talking about how they deserved to be subjugated.
Well, they did, with it without weapons.
This also ignores the years of peaceful protests by the Palestinians that have only resulted in more checkpoints, more enclosure of their land, and more illegal settlements.
Framing it as if it were two equals bickering instead of one side completely dominating the other, including access to electricity, water, and food, and the other striking back feebly is a fucking joke.
Every time Hanas launches an attack, they are universally condemned.
Israel has committed multiple war crimes and the forced migration of a population counts as genocide, on top of everything else Israel does with the help of the largest military on Earth. And major media is forced to remain silent, or treat it as you do, a war between two equals.
There is no more a war than Germany was at war with the Jews.
The leaders of Hamas are literally multibillionares (much of their fortunes from divered aid). Their jihadi minions have a delusional religious superiority, not desperation.
Aah yes, the ‘rich Islamic terrorist’ trope, with a healthy dose religious fanaticism. Sounds just like the ultranationalist Israelis that run Israel.
Fuck then both. I want the killing of innocents to stop, and at the moment that is entirely in Israel’s hands.
How many Hamas operatives have they killed, now that Israel has butchered 10x as many Palestinians as Hamas killed? And many, many more babies than Hamas did?
I don’t think you understand what “trope” means.
They are literally multi billionaires, and the terrorists are clearly literally religious fanatics, it’s not a trope.
I said nothing positive about Israel, just correcting you’re idiotic assertion that Hamas operates out of desperation.
That’s great that you say “fuck then (sic) both” but it has nothing to do with what you are being corrected about by me.
What are your sources for these hamas billionaires? What’s their names? Honestly curious
Well it’s the internet, so maybe google “leaders of Hamas” followed by whatever you are interested in knowing about them.
But I guess I can do that for you.
Hold on….
Hey dick head I asked YOUR source obviously I can google. I actually went and searched all four of their names and found a ton of better articles explaining their wealth. Literally why are all Israel supporters such condescending assholes it really doesn’t help your cause at all.
Sorry, should have been a dick to you, as you were just asking for my source, but consider what happens after I provide the source “you gonna use them as a source?!”
I was stating a pretty well known fact, not an extraordinary claim.
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There's plenty to say about this topic but here is what is currently bothering me. While Israel is known to completely lie, Hamas has also lied straight to our faces. The latest vids of Gazan hospital basements looking like they housed hostages and had infantries of weapons, baby diapers, etc. along with the info that Hamas leaders' houses were right next to schools and adjacent to hospitals too - that stuff is convincing. I'm sure there are plenty more sources, but this is as much research as I did because I was frustrated and just wanted to vent. News is so conflicting now and set to confuse and divide us. Always has been but now more than ever. The following "news channels" are reporting on this latest hospital basement video:
Reporting
CNN, ABC, The Sun, News Nation
Not Reporting
NBC, Fox, Channel 4 News, Al Jazeera, Democracy Now, Hasan Piker
It is also so apparent and annoying how depending on the agenda, news is very conveniently "left out". Israel has done this with propaganda and information silencing in the past, which has led to western countries supporting them so much before seeing what they actually are doing, which I also consider to be an attempt at genocide. You can tell Israel is already going in with Huge bulldozing/war machines to rebuild and gentrify Gaza out of existence so they can have access to that sweet, sweet, oil in the Mediterranean Sea.
I made an art piece about my views on the conflict in 2020 for an art show and I was happy that it sold. TBH I'm just trying to prove that I've been invested in this issue, and that it has had a heavy place in my heart, long before October 7th. And of course, like anyone else, I would like to think I know what I'm talking about.
(https://i.ibb.co/qJzkJt7/arte.png)
I've got an Argentinian Jewish friend who texted our group chat of guys (12 of us) on Oct. 11th to say how distraught he was and that his family in Israel would be drafted to war and asked us if we needed information on the issue, to reach out. I love the dude, but I was felt conflicted about what I wanted to say because my immediate thought was of Israel's killing of approx 85,000 Palestinians in the last 10 years alone. I comforted my friend because I love him and want him to feel supported. I care about the guy a lot, but I also have since then seen pretty hateful rhetoric coming from him towards the Palestinian people. This guy is smart, he is actually a CEO of a multi-million dollar start-up of his own. So it has been interesting to see his stance on the issue unfold.
Sorry this was so long. I just hate all the misinformation and disinformation and biases and story-killing and conveniently omitting information. Makes us hate everyone and question everything and trust nothing.
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@theextrabanana and other pro-Zionist posters,
You are trying so hard to follow the alt-right “come off as non-confrontational and ‘just show periphery facts’” playbook that it hurts.
Everything you post is solely to cast doubt on Palestine and play-down the atrocities perpetrated by Israel, while pretending you are just come neutral, concerned observer.
You are the worst type of pre-genocide mouthpiece. Thousands upon thousands of children are continuing to be slaughtered, and you can’t dispute any of that, so you try to find any kind of vaguely-related info and charts to distract from that slaughter.
I asked you before to come out and actually say where you stand on the issue, but you didn’t reply.
You are sticking to your schtick for a reason, and refusing to just put out a position because you are trying to create a narrative.
So here is my narrative. It makes me suspicious that you and other low-post users suddenly pop up at times like this to create disinformation and distract from issues: the adherence to this specific type of propagandizing makes me think you belong to a pro-Zionist organization.
But whatever.
You can’t dispute the numbers, the slaughter being televised hourly. You and your ilk only have bullshit distractions (Palestinian population? Hamas billionaires?) to try to pull our attention away from this ongoing ethnic cleansing.
I know where you stand, and where you would have stood on other ethnic cleanings and genocides.
I hope you, and every other fucker involved in protracting this slaughter live long, healthy lives.
Lives where your conscience won’t let you forget your complicity in mass human murder and suffering. I hope your actions torture your conscious days and nightly dreams for the rest of your life.
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@theextrabanana and other pro-Zionist posters,
You are trying so hard to follow the alt-right “come off as non-confrontational and ‘just show periphery facts’” playbook that it hurts.
Everything you post is solely to cast doubt on Palestine and play-down the atrocities perpetrated by Israel, while pretending you are just come neutral, concerned observer.
You are the worst type of pre-genocide mouthpiece. Thousands upon thousands of children are continuing to be slaughtered, and you can’t dispute any of that, so you try to find any kind of vaguely-related info and charts to distract from that slaughter.
I asked you before to come out and actually say where you stand on the issue, but you didn’t reply.
You are sticking to your schtick for a reason, and refusing to just put out a position because you are trying to create a narrative.
So here is my narrative. It makes me suspicious that you and other low-post users suddenly pop up at times like this to create disinformation and distract from issues: the adherence to this specific type of propagandizing makes me think you belong to a pro-Zionist organization.
But whatever.
You can’t dispute the numbers, the slaughter being televised hourly. You and your ilk only have bullshit distractions (Palestinian population? Hamas billionaires?) to try to pull our attention away from this ongoing ethnic cleansing.
I know where you stand, and where you would have stood on other ethnic cleanings and genocides.
I hope you, and every other fucker involved in protracting this slaughter live long, healthy lives.
Lives where your conscious won’t let you forget your complicity in mass human murder and suffering. I hope your actions torture your conscious for the rest of your days.
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cucktard never miss
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@theextrabanana and other pro-Zionist posters,
You are trying so hard to follow the alt-right “come off as non-confrontational and ‘just show periphery facts’” playbook that it hurts.
Everything you post is solely to cast doubt on Palestine and play-down the atrocities perpetrated by Israel, while pretending you are just come neutral, concerned observer.
You are the worst type of pre-genocide mouthpiece. Thousands upon thousands of children are continuing to be slaughtered, and you can’t dispute any of that, so you try to find any kind of vaguely-related info and charts to distract from that slaughter.
I asked you before to come out and actually say where you stand on the issue, but you didn’t reply.
You are sticking to your schtick for a reason, and refusing to just put out a position because you are trying to create a narrative.
So here is my narrative. It makes me suspicious that you and other low-post users suddenly pop up at times like this to create disinformation and distract from issues: the adherence to this specific type of propagandizing makes me think you belong to a pro-Zionist organization.
But whatever.
You can’t dispute the numbers, the slaughter being televised hourly. You and your ilk only have bullshit distractions (Palestinian population? Hamas billionaires?) to try to pull our attention away from this ongoing ethnic cleansing.
I know where you stand, and where you would have stood on other ethnic cleanings and genocides.
I hope you, and every other fucker involved in protracting this slaughter live long, healthy lives.
Lives where your conscious won’t let you forget your complicity in mass human murder and suffering. I hope your actions torture your conscious for the rest of your days.
Fuck! You blew everyone’s cover! They are actually being paid by a Jewish organization to post on a prehistoric web forum about skateboarding. Sounds far fetched til you realize Jews run the media, even v bulletin boards!
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@theextrabanana and other pro-Zionist posters,
You are trying so hard to follow the alt-right “come off as non-confrontational and ‘just show periphery facts’” playbook that it hurts.
Everything you post is solely to cast doubt on Palestine and play-down the atrocities perpetrated by Israel, while pretending you are just come neutral, concerned observer.
You are the worst type of pre-genocide mouthpiece. Thousands upon thousands of children are continuing to be slaughtered, and you can’t dispute any of that, so you try to find any kind of vaguely-related info and charts to distract from that slaughter.
I asked you before to come out and actually say where you stand on the issue, but you didn’t reply.
You are sticking to your schtick for a reason, and refusing to just put out a position because you are trying to create a narrative.
So here is my narrative. It makes me suspicious that you and other low-post users suddenly pop up at times like this to create disinformation and distract from issues: the adherence to this specific type of propagandizing makes me think you belong to a pro-Zionist organization.
But whatever.
You can’t dispute the numbers, the slaughter being televised hourly. You and your ilk only have bullshit distractions (Palestinian population? Hamas billionaires?) to try to pull our attention away from this ongoing ethnic cleansing.
I know where you stand, and where you would have stood on other ethnic cleanings and genocides.
I hope you, and every other fucker involved in protracting this slaughter live long, healthy lives.
Lives where your conscious won’t let you forget your complicity in mass human murder and suffering. I hope your actions torture your conscious for the rest of your days.
Fuck! You blew everyone’s cover! They are actually being paid by a Jewish organization to post on a prehistoric web forum about skateboarding. Sounds far fetched til you realize Jews run the media, even v bulletin boards!
Not all Zionist organizations are Jewish, especially stateside. There might me more Christian Zionists than Jewish ones.
And this is why talking about this issue is so hard. Some people are genuinely concerned about anti-Jewish hatred. I am too, thats why I’ve been every careful not to use the word Jewish, when talking instead about the Israeli government or ideological Zionism.
I hate all racism. But people are still conflating the Israeli government with stupid ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ bullshit, and Palestinians with Hamas.
It’s especially difficult to wrap one’s head around the fact that a government based on the idea of a safe haven for a scapegoated and oppressed people would end up scapegoating and oppressing another people.
I am against Jewish hatred when Jewish people are oppressed, and by the same principle I am against the oppression of the Palestinians.
In this particular case, only one side is doing the oppressing, no matter how they try to spin it as self-defense.
So again, stop trying to distract from the slaughter, and being an apologist for this massacre
Because the current count for murdered children is now over 6400.
Fuck this. And anyone who attempted to justify this monstrosity.
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There's plenty to say about this topic but here is what is currently bothering me. While Israel is known to completely lie, Hamas has also lied straight to our faces. The latest vids of Gazan hospital basements looking like they housed hostages and had infantries of weapons, baby diapers, etc. along with the info that Hamas leaders' houses were right next to schools and adjacent to hospitals too - that stuff is convincing. I'm sure there are plenty more sources, but this is as much research as I did because I was frustrated and just wanted to vent. News is so conflicting now and set to confuse and divide us. Always has been but now more than ever. The following "news channels" are reporting on this latest hospital basement video:
fuck you, you moron, stop deflecting from the fact that people are being buried alive as we speak
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There's plenty to say about this topic but here is what is currently bothering me. While Israel is known to completely lie, Hamas has also lied straight to our faces. The latest vids of Gazan hospital basements looking like they housed hostages and had infantries of weapons, baby diapers, etc. along with the info that Hamas leaders' houses were right next to schools and adjacent to hospitals too - that stuff is convincing. I'm sure there are plenty more sources, but this is as much research as I did because I was frustrated and just wanted to vent. News is so conflicting now and set to confuse and divide us. Always has been but now more than ever. The following "news channels" are reporting on this latest hospital basement video:
fuck you, you moron, stop deflecting from the fact that people are being buried alive as we speak
Alright pal, whatever you say. Do you just want to pick a fight? I've believed Israel was lying this whole time about the tunnels. The tunnels don't justify hospital bombing in the first place, but I am wondering if this video in question was propaganda or not. I called it a genocide for oil and land, what am I diminishing?
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i guess you giving any credence at all to what murderers have to say is what irks me
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i guess you giving any credence at all to what murderers have to say is what irks me
Understandable. But if you read my post, I have a good friend that is very pro-Israel and he's not an idiot nor is he heartless. While I am pro-Palestinian, I still want the story from a 360 degree perspective and I'm tired that there is no such thing as any independent, unbiased news.
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Its been a while folks, but most orthodox ((mouthpiece for the media)) on the forum checking in here.
Jokes aside, what I think some of the posters dont understand is those of us posting "facts' instead of engaging about whether we think what Israel is doing is "good" is because we are fighting the war of explaining what Jews are and why we are in Israel, and why the narrative that Jews are colonial settlers in the Middle East hellbent on expansion is not correct.
Otherwise, I (and I assume others) have no desire to argue about the war on a message board, especially when I've had family members killed by Hamas terrorists and certainly have at least friends of friends whose family's have been killed in Israeli bombings. Thats real life NY shit.
So no, I'm not going to yell at random kids on a message board about their political beliefs- simply want folks to think before they scream slogans at another human on the street, etc. In general, its not a "cop-out" or ((mealymouthed)) to project human kindness on other humans in a complex situation. I feel sad for those that think it is.
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Nothing you can say will offend or "give me a nose bleed" with your complexity (or I guess, its like being high on an airplane?), bro.
Hopefully this discourse is helpful for those on the left that were shocked at how huge swathes of the left seemingly threw out liberal values in favor of terrorism.
I actually didn't find this surprising at all- no nose bleeds here: certainly some confused in ((left wing academia)).
Of course from a marxist perspective, there had to be a celebration or acknowledge of Hamas' attacks as attacks of resistance against a colonial force and therefore justified in the overall context of resistance present in much of academia.
I think this discussion is actually helpful as it shows the differences between traditional liberal values vs. "decolonization of history" folks, and how that plays out in historiographic analysis, and tendencies in the far left to minimize or justify atrocities.
People on the far left (certainly many skaters and punk rockers) seek a radical transformation of society towards socialism, with the end result being state control of all or most of the economy, for purposes of promoting egalitarian values.
Radical socialists are distinguishable from those who merely seek a larger welfare state or more extensive regulation within a generally market economy and are far more likely to defend or excuse Hamas than the latter.
"The kinds of people who are willing to justify, minimize, or deny the slaughter of millions by the likes of Stalin and Mao are unlikely to blanch at Hamas' much smaller-scale atrocities. If you are willing to embrace the Great Leap Forward, Stalin's purges, or Lenin's Red Terror, there is probably no limit to what you will accept, so long as you think it is moving the world in the right direction.
There is, however, a notable distinction between Hamas and the likes of Mao and Stalin. The latter were pursuing left-wing socialist ideals. Hamas, pretty obviously, is not. They seek to establish a medieval Islamist theocracy, in the process oppressing women, religious minorities, and LGBT people, among others.
For most far-leftists, the greatest evil in the world is capitalism. Abolishing it is their primary goal. And the great mainstays of capitalism are the US and other Western liberal democracies. This inclines many far-leftists to be sympathetic to any movement that is anti-American or anti-Western, more generally. There is a long history of them praising or at least looking favorably on such movements, even in cases where their ideology was far different from that of the Western leftists themselves.
The conflict between Israel and radical Islamists and Arab nationalists is one of the world's most visible confrontations between Western liberalism and opposing movements. While radical socialists would surely prefer to cheer for an anti-Western movement that fit their ideology closely, they are willing to support one that doesn't.
As a result, Western radical leftists have developed a special sympathy for anti-Western nationalist and anti-colonial movements in what we used to call the Third World. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians fits this pattern well, even if the ideology of most of the latter is far from what Western leftists would ideally prefer."
Of course in general skaters have a commonality across political spectrum of non-linear thinking, distrust of institutions, states and flags, etc., all of which is healthy and natural. The question is where do we take it/go with it from here?
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If people are not particularly surprised at the violence Hamas or other radical Palestinian groups produces, it’s because it seen within the context of the absolute domination of violence by the Israeli state.
As much as it’s been painted as such for the past 50-60 years, Palestinian violence is not produced within a vacuum. It is the result of an absolute cocoon of violence and dehumanization by Israel.
You don’t need any kind of Marxist ideology to see that one side is completely crushing the other, no more than you needed a Marxist perspective to understand what the Nazis were doing to the Jews.
Israel has unlimited options on how to deal with the Palestinians. It has chosen domination, control, and the violence that it entails.
How many options do the Palestinians have to combat this? Pacifism has been tried, violence has been tried, and their situation gets worse regardless.
Do you hold the victim to the same standard as the bully?
You only applied your critique to the Palestinian side.
How much more applicable is the act of ‘minimizing and justifying atrocities” to the the Israeli state?
I won’t get into your characterization of all leftist as tankies, or your notions of the end goals of socialism.
But since this conflict has begun in the modern period, the vast justification of atrocities (as well as the actual lion’s share of them) have taken place on the part of Israel, not Hamas.
It’s so bizarre how you have a very nice critique of religiously-fueled violence, but only level it at the victims, not the bullies.
Critiques of racism, sexism, colonialism, etc applies to everyone, not just your enemies.
Otherwise they are completely fucking useless.
But Bronx, I applaud you for being forthright and honest in your beliefs. I definitely don’t consider you one of the suspects I was talking about earlier.
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https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/ (https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/)
Sorry for the bump, but thanks for a great read.
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This is a horrifying situation which has captured the American mind (unlike the war in Yemen or Sudan) and it's difficult to process. I think everyone is trying to pick a side so that they can make sense of the horror.
There's no side to pick. The Palestinians are held hostage not only by Israel, but by a terrorist organization whose stated objective is annihilation of the Jewish state and it's population. A large minority of the civilian population, though not members of Hamas, are supportive of their actions. Then we have Israel whose stated aims are palatable, but whose actions and words behind closed doors are not dissimilar to that of Hamas (just more surgical). They also have a large minority of civilians are supportive of annihilation.
The Palestinian Authority has been neutered by Hamas. The Israeli government is under siege by right-wing leaders undermining democracy. In summary, we have a tyrannical authority (Hamas) and an aspiring authoritarian leader (Israel's). Where would a coalition of mediators start? How the fuck do you root for either side? How do you advocate for innocent, peace-minded citizens when they have no clear path to peace?
Look man, idk how to break this to you, but taking the time to spell out the intricacies of a century long geopol issue is a lost cause here. Most skateboarders are uneducated below avg. and have a heavy diet of instagram filter bubbles. Their understanding comes from their friends IG story reposts. Doubtful even a handful have read a history book or geopol report before ever.
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@theextrabanana and other pro-Zionist posters,
You are trying so hard to follow the alt-right “come off as non-confrontational and ‘just show periphery facts’” playbook that it hurts.
Everything you post is solely to cast doubt on Palestine and play-down the atrocities perpetrated by Israel, while pretending you are just come neutral, concerned observer.
You are the worst type of pre-genocide mouthpiece. Thousands upon thousands of children are continuing to be slaughtered, and you can’t dispute any of that, so you try to find any kind of vaguely-related info and charts to distract from that slaughter.
I asked you before to come out and actually say where you stand on the issue, but you didn’t reply.
You are sticking to your schtick for a reason, and refusing to just put out a position because you are trying to create a narrative.
So here is my narrative. It makes me suspicious that you and other low-post users suddenly pop up at times like this to create disinformation and distract from issues: the adherence to this specific type of propagandizing makes me think you belong to a pro-Zionist organization.
But whatever.
You can’t dispute the numbers, the slaughter being televised hourly. You and your ilk only have bullshit distractions (Palestinian population? Hamas billionaires?) to try to pull our attention away from this ongoing ethnic cleansing.
I know where you stand, and where you would have stood on other ethnic cleanings and genocides.
I hope you, and every other fucker involved in protracting this slaughter live long, healthy lives.
Lives where your conscience won’t let you forget your complicity in mass human murder and suffering. I hope your actions torture your conscious days and nightly dreams for the rest of your life.
Ok, someone moved entirely to delululand. Sure, everyone who urges a more nuanced view an what is happening must be in favor of every genocide that happened to date on this planet. That is the most ludicrous statement I have ever read on slap and that is quiete an achievement. Sir, you can be proud of yourself!
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https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/ (https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/)
Sorry for the bump, but thanks for a great read.
Ditto on this. It should be talked about, along with other political issues, within the framework of skateboarding. To paraphrase Foucault, the essence of life lies in the political functioning of society, and even skateboarding shouldn't be ignorant of that.
And yes, the Palestinian genocide needs to be stopped.
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https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/ (https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/)
Sorry for the bump, but thanks for a great read.
And yes, the Palestinian genocide needs to be stopped.
Fools here actually getting inspired by Foucault. This is your "team"?
'Foucault argued that children could give sexual consent. In 1977, along with Jean-Paul Sartre, Jacques Derrida, and other intellectuals, Foucault signed a petition to the French parliament calling for the decriminalization of all "consensual" sexual relations between adults and minors below the age of fifteen, the age of consent in France.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault#Personal_life
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Does anyone believe the, “human shields,” bullshit? Even if every man the IDF killed was in Hamas, they’re killing one child and one woman per man.
Bill Clinton didn’t order the death of Osama because he didn’t want to kill 300 women and children. Israel has no problem killing 300 children to kill 1 terrorist.
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Does anyone believe the, “human shields,” bullshit? Even if every man the IDF killed was in Hamas, they’re killing one child and one woman per man.
Bill Clinton didn’t order the death of Osama because he didn’t want to kill 300 women and children. Israel has no problem killing 300 children to kill 1 terrorist.
The “human shield” thing is very real. That doesn’t excuse Israel or give them free rein, but Hamas knows exactly what they’re doing. In or around schools, mosques and residential housing is where they like to dig in. The optics of attacking these locations and catching civilians in the crossfire is a huge PR win for Palestinian resistance. It’s not unique to Gaza, this has been in the playbook across the Middle East.
I’m not saying this to excuse Israel. My point is if Israel is really worried about eradicating Hamas, they have to be brain surgery level surgical to avoid civilian casualties.
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Does anyone believe the, “human shields,” bullshit? Even if every man the IDF killed was in Hamas, they’re killing one child and one woman per man.
Bill Clinton didn’t order the death of Osama because he didn’t want to kill 300 women and children. Israel has no problem killing 300 children to kill 1 terrorist.
The “human shield” thing is very real. That doesn’t excuse Israel or give them free rein, but Hamas knows exactly what they’re doing. In or around schools, mosques and residential housing is where they like to dig in. The optics of attacking these locations and catching civilians in the crossfire is a huge PR win for Palestinian resistance. It’s not unique to Gaza, this has been in the playbook across the Middle East.
I’m not saying this to excuse Israel. My point is if Israel is really worried about eradicating Hamas, they have to be brain surgery level surgical to avoid civilian casualties.
counterpoint: "human shields" are a zionist lie unless you are talking about the fascist israeli soldiers that have been caught on film doing exactly that
https://t.me/eyeonpal/5216
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Does anyone believe the, “human shields,” bullshit? Even if every man the IDF killed was in Hamas, they’re killing one child and one woman per man.
Bill Clinton didn’t order the death of Osama because he didn’t want to kill 300 women and children. Israel has no problem killing 300 children to kill 1 terrorist.
The “human shield” thing is very real. That doesn’t excuse Israel or give them free rein, but Hamas knows exactly what they’re doing. In or around schools, mosques and residential housing is where they like to dig in. The optics of attacking these locations and catching civilians in the crossfire is a huge PR win for Palestinian resistance. It’s not unique to Gaza, this has been in the playbook across the Middle East.
I’m not saying this to excuse Israel. My point is if Israel is really worried about eradicating Hamas, they have to be brain surgery level surgical to avoid civilian casualties.
counterpoint: "human shields" are a zionist lie unless you are talking about the fascist israeli soldiers that have been caught on film doing exactly that
https://t.me/eyeonpal/5216
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/13/what-is-a-human-shield-and-why-is-israel-using-the-term-in-gaza
I dont agree with the conclusion of this article, but folks should at least understand the argument and can't seriously be posting a Telegram video as a source. I mean, feel free to, but not sure why folks would give that weight. There are so many legitimate journalists representing both the Israeli and arab/palestinian nationial narrative you can feel free to actually read the views of.
In any event, not sure how Al Jazeera get to their number of Israeli's killed which is absurdly low, but in case folks want to understand what the Geneva convention says, this would be helpful for you to form your arguments as to why this doesn't apply here or is an inappropriate law.
The validity of the Geneva convention and any of these concepts is of course subject to debate, but to argue on the basis of international law, this would give you the starting understanding to then look at the facts yourself as presented by any source.
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i have a signed copy of howl by allen ginsburg in my house
I remember when I first heard of him as a sort of legendary figure in middle school ;D. Found the book at Borders I think-- how gross and disappointing.
Foucault references wildly disturbing, but also not surprising.
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but folks should at least understand the argument and can't seriously be posting a Telegram video as a source. I mean, feel free to, but not sure why folks would give that weight.
everyone has a video camera these days, why is your immediate reaction upon seeing a video of an israeli soldier literally using someone as a human shield be to dismiss it? if you have a problem with the source then feel free to disprove it, otherwise you are defending nazis.
There are so many legitimate journalists representing both the Israeli and arab/palestinian nationial narrative you can feel free to actually read the views of.
counterpoint: the state of journalism in the west is at an all time low and is basically a propaganda machine for the us and israeli governments. also, israel has purposely targeted and killed press members, so you wanting to fall back on journalistic credentials is laughable.
In any event, not sure how Al Jazeera get to their number of Israeli's killed which is absurdly low, but in case folks want to understand what the Geneva convention says, this would be helpful for you to form your arguments as to why this doesn't apply here or is an inappropriate law.
The validity of the Geneva convention and any of these concepts is of course subject to debate, but to argue on the basis of international law, this would give you the starting understanding to then look at the facts yourself as presented by any source.
another appeal to international law that has totally failed to prevent this ongoing genocide
take notes everyone, this is how you argue in bad faith
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but folks should at least understand the argument and can't seriously be posting a Telegram video as a source. I mean, feel free to, but not sure why folks would give that weight.
everyone has a video camera these days, why is your immediate reaction upon seeing a video of an israeli soldier literally using someone as a human shield be to dismiss it? if you have a problem with the source then feel free to disprove it, otherwise you are defending nazis.
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There are so many legitimate journalists representing both the Israeli and arab/palestinian nationial narrative you can feel free to actually read the views of.
counterpoint: the state of journalism in the west is at an all time low and is basically a propaganda machine for the us and israeli governments. also, israel has purposely targeted and killed press members, so you wanting to fall back on journalistic credentials is laughable.
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In any event, not sure how Al Jazeera get to their number of Israeli's killed which is absurdly low, but in case folks want to understand what the Geneva convention says, this would be helpful for you to form your arguments as to why this doesn't apply here or is an inappropriate law.
The validity of the Geneva convention and any of these concepts is of course subject to debate, but to argue on the basis of international law, this would give you the starting understanding to then look at the facts yourself as presented by any source.
another appeal to international law that has totally failed to prevent this ongoing genocide
take notes everyone, this is how you argue in bad faith
Not arguing-- trying to give folks a source to at least explain what the international law is - that is all. Thought the explanation I posted was fair and frankly much more sympathetic to your position. Did you read the article I posted?
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I don’t know how else to say that if you try to downplay at murder of 7000 children and maiming of countless more, you are a moral monster.
If you do not condemn the Israeli government’s actions as strongly as you condemn Hamas’, you are a shill for war crimes.
If you were going on about 40 babies being beheaded (which was a a classic propagandistic lie) yet were silent on 39 infants dying in a hospital Israel denied access to water, electricity, and basic medicine to, you are probably a racist that only cares about a certain type of baby.
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31 of the babies were successfully moved out of their incubators and transferred to another hospital in the south, and will be taken to Egypt. 8 died before the transfer could take place.
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s/o to these crews keeping skateboarding alive while under a genocidal occupation, can't even imagine. Free Palestine
Much respect to the author and Palestinian skateboarding as a whole. But how often this fried take is repeated is just baffling to me.
What Israel is doing in Gaza meets any definition of genocide.
They've become what they hate - Nazis.
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At this point, it’s clear that Israel is purposely displacing and killing Palestinians to steal their land. By the time it’s safe for people to go back, there will probably be an expansion of Israeli settlements in Gaza and the West Bank. They told Palestinians to move to the south of Gaza and now they’re bombing refugee camps in the south. They can’t even back up any of their bullshit claims with facts. What’s the ratio of Hamas operatives killed to civilians killed?
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At this point, it’s clear that Israel is purposely displacing and killing Palestinians to steal their land. By the time it’s safe for people to go back, there will probably be an expansion of Israeli settlements in Gaza and the West Bank. They told Palestinians to move to the south of Gaza and now they’re bombing refugee camps in the south. They can’t even back up any of their bullshit claims with facts. What’s the ratio of Hamas operatives killed to civilians killed?
If you remove the Hamas member killed in the first two days it gets pretty dark. Not sure of the ratio but it is to where if you are killing this many civilians per militant killed and you really do eliminate all of Hamas you would end up killing well over half the civilian population of Gaza.
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https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/ (https://skatejawn.com/on-skateboarding-solidarity-and-palestine/)
Sorry for the bump, but thanks for a great read.
And yes, the Palestinian genocide needs to be stopped.
Fools here actually getting inspired by Foucault. This is your "team"?
'Foucault argued that children could give sexual consent. In 1977, along with Jean-Paul Sartre, Jacques Derrida, and other intellectuals, Foucault signed a petition to the French parliament calling for the decriminalization of all "consensual" sexual relations between adults and minors below the age of fifteen, the age of consent in France.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault#Personal_life
Wasn't aware of that, thanks for mentioning it. Not sure what you mean by "team" but my intent was to reflect on how politics shouldn't be ignored in any realm, which I still believe.