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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: swellbowed on November 20, 2023, 09:01:26 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uzE3G3j3-A&ab_channel=ThrasherMagazine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uzE3G3j3-A&ab_channel=ThrasherMagazine)
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that outro with the lens scratch is making the most out of a very, very, very, shitty situation.
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What a way to end it. Gotta love the camaraderie between these lot.
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best vibes crew
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Fuck each other already
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Curren's back lip was fucking sick.
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I really liked that.
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Fuck each other already
Fellas, is it gay to have friends?
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Seems like Mason Silva is a pretty clear choice for SOTY at this point, which is kinda sick because for the first time in years it doesn’t feel like the frontrunner is campaigning.
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Fuck each other already
Someone's never tucked their homies in at night and it shows
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This crew is so good and Mason is on a whole different level got damn
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Favorite clip
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Fellas, is it gay to have friends?
yeah if you're friends with girls EW!
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Favorite clip
Right in front of that ledge are the cheatiest slappy curbs I've ever seen. They're like a 50 degree angle and you can just carve on to them.
Loved seeing my neighborhood skated. I have looked at that weird concrete wave that Ryan Lee gets the ride on grind on for years. I believe it has a pole in front of it now so that clip may be kinda old.
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Mason's skating is as good as it gets. Fast and raw with a well thought out trick selection. He's one of the easiest skaters to watch.
Jake looked like he wanted to puke when he saw the lens.
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that was just perfect.
really enjoyed the video. not much of a fan regarding the b-roll. I get it, that it should highlight the vibe between those four, but it felt forced at some points.
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meh this was kinda disappointing
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Crew love is true love. And it shows ❤️
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They need to do their board brand
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Feel bad for Jake - dude just seems generally unhinged and that lens scratch cannot be good for his overall mental state
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Got all fired up when the Todd Rundgren track started playing.
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Now make it longer
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really dig this
that curved ledge is no fucking joke
louie for president
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How much does that lens cost?
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Now make it longer.
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best clip for sure. such an awkward trick for that spot, and he caught it so well
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Jake's face when he sees the scratch is priceless. RIP to that lens. I hope DLX at least chips in some money for a new one.
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Came here to comment on this clip. Not sure I’ve ever seen that done back to regular like that. Or if I have, it didn’t look nearly as good as that one…
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footage dump - curren and jake skating skate mental boards.
would not be surprised if one them dropped a big part before the end of the year.
how long until mason is on FA?
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How much does that lens cost?
Like 10 grand roughly
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footage dump - curren and jake skating skate mental boards.
would not be surprised if one them dropped a big part before the end of the year.
how long until mason is on FA?
imagine leaving Deluxe for FA
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Louie and Mason are so good and Curren skates gracefully as fuck
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How much does that lens cost?
Like 10 grand roughly
Holy shit, I thought it was 1,500 max
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Louie and Mason are so good and Curren skates gracefully as fuck
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How much does that lens cost?
Like 10 grand roughly
Holy shit, I thought it was 1,500 max
Damn no wonder he looked like he was gonna puke
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of the all male 4ways i've watched tonight i enjoyed this one the most.
louie is just so fucking fuck yeah with it.
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Louie and Mason are so good and Curren skates gracefully as fuck
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How much does that lens cost?
Like 10 grand roughly
Holy shit, I thought it was 1,500 max
Noooooo. Those death lenses are regularly $8,000-$15,000. It cracked me up when people were like "Do you have another one?!?!"
This brings up an interesting convo. I am a filmer/photographer, if its just me shooting independently its me paying for the damage. If I'm shooting for a big company sometimes they have insurance on gear so the insurance pays for damage.
I was just recently shooting some surfing for fun and my buddy fell and smashed into my lens port and it instantly flooded the housing with saltwater and roasted the camera/lens. I footed the bill, which is personally what I expect to do if there's a catastrophe like that. If you're skating and a the board shoots out and scratches the lens I don't think the skater should feel bad. I should've turned the camera out of the way quicker. It's part of the game, I'm the one that's in your way.
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They need to do their board brand
i dunno, i feel like it's a cool idea at face value but i'm not in favor of anything that takes these guys off their boards like running a brand would. just have their sponsors cut the checks and pay the vendors so all they have to worry about is stacking clips
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Fuck each other already
Got to wait til the RAW footage drops for that
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Now make it longer.
Need a full length with these 4. Make that 5 let's see a Ryan Lee part.
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this is the brotherhood formed well-in after you've seen each others cocks
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Louie and Mason are so good and Curren skates gracefully as fuck
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How much does that lens cost?
Like 10 grand roughly
Holy shit, I thought it was 1,500 max
Noooooo. Those death lenses are regularly $8,000-$15,000. It cracked me up when people were like "Do you have another one?!?!"
This brings up an interesting convo. I am a filmer/photographer, if its just me shooting independently its me paying for the damage. If I'm shooting for a big company sometimes they have insurance on gear so the insurance pays for damage.
I was just recently shooting some surfing for fun and my buddy fell and smashed into my lens port and it instantly flooded the housing with saltwater and roasted the camera/lens. I footed the bill, which is personally what I expect to do if there's a catastrophe like that. If you're skating and a the board shoots out and scratches the lens I don't think the skater should feel bad. I should've turned the camera out of the way quicker. It's part of the game, I'm the one that's in your way.
wow, i had no idea lenses were running that much.
seems like tadashi's lens protectors are well worth every penny:
https://tadashifilters.com/collections/goods/products/the-xtreme-fisheye-protector
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Louie and Mason are so good and Curren skates gracefully as fuck
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How much does that lens cost?
Like 10 grand roughly
Holy shit, I thought it was 1,500 max
Noooooo. Those death lenses are regularly $8,000-$15,000. It cracked me up when people were like "Do you have another one?!?!"
This brings up an interesting convo. I am a filmer/photographer, if its just me shooting independently its me paying for the damage. If I'm shooting for a big company sometimes they have insurance on gear so the insurance pays for damage.
I was just recently shooting some surfing for fun and my buddy fell and smashed into my lens port and it instantly flooded the housing with saltwater and roasted the camera/lens. I footed the bill, which is personally what I expect to do if there's a catastrophe like that. If you're skating and a the board shoots out and scratches the lens I don't think the skater should feel bad. I should've turned the camera out of the way quicker. It's part of the game, I'm the one that's in your way.
wow, i had no idea lenses were running that much.
seems like tadashi's lens protectors are well worth every penny:
https://tadashifilters.com/collections/goods/products/the-xtreme-fisheye-protector
lol yea now curren telling a bummed out jake "time to sell your car" makes more sense
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footage dump - curren and jake skating skate mental boards.
would not be surprised if one them dropped a big part before the end of the year.
how long until mason is on FA?
imagine leaving Deluxe for FA
I could not imagine leaving Krooked or Anti Hero for FA. But I would leave Real. Even worse graphics than FA and even with being amazing- Mason still essentially competes with Ishod, Kyle Walker etc to stand out on that team. On FA he could get full creative control to make homie videos with Jake, Curren, and Louie all day long and would immediately be the best or 2nd best on the team after Louie. He also wouldn’t have to sport the Real Oval with like some flamingos being abducted by alien flying saucers and butterfly graphics with those shitty DLX shapes and wbs that only short fat ppl like the Gonz like.
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I know nothing about camera gear.. but how much better does a 10k lens look than say, a 2-4k lens? I get why they’d give Jake a hard time about it, but it seems like a 50/50 responsibility split in my eyes. Anyway, dope edit. Incredible juxtaposition between this and the Hardies in the Cayman Islands edit yesterday lol.
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I know nothing about camera gear.. but how much better does a 10k lens look than say, a 2-4k lens? I get why they’d give Jake a hard time about it, but it seems like a 50/50 responsibility split in my eyes. Anyway, dope edit. Incredible juxtaposition between this and the Hardies in the Cayman Islands edit yesterday lol.
To the average viewer, not that much better. It's a bit more complicated than that though. For the Panasonic camcorders most filmers use there isn't really anything that exists between the $10k Century lens (which also isn't even produced anymore) and the $200 Opteka (which looks quite bad IMO).
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Feel bad for Jake - dude just seems generally unhinged and that lens scratch cannot be good for his overall mental state
What in the parasocial projection is going on here?
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good skate
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These cunts should start their own board brand under Deluxe along with Ryan.
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Jake's face when he sees the scratch is priceless. RIP to that lens. I hope DLX at least chips in some money for a new one.
technically, it's not priceless, it's about 10k
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I want all these guys on the same team but making a board brand would be fucked - imagine the graphics Jake and Curren would make :/
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The clip of Mason filming Ryan was so sick.
I can't imagine the filmer pain of fucking up a lens like that.
Does Shane Farber still not have a board sponsor?
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So are these guys like the new trunk boys or something?
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Fellas, is it gay to have friends?
Only if the socks come off during the slumber party
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all style and speed, wow. left me wanting more. one of those street transition ollies curren did was absurdly boosted. that crazy ass line from jake on the banks (la high?). I don't think louie gets enough credit for how creative his spot/trick selection is.
They need to create some series with this holy quintet, atlantic drift style. another board brand is absurd.
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time to switch camera format i guess....
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Damn there be a lot of people up in here with no friends and/or a light grasp around insurance.
Get to a policy and meet up while you can pals.
Oh! The video!
Long live good skateboarding.
West Coast power.
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
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Someone's never Ftucked their homies in at night and it shows
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That was great fun but not as hard hitting as I would have expected.
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that was a treat. watching Curren Caples rip a bowl makes me want to go out and skate right tf now!
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
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That was great all around. Hawai'i footage always looks divine.
Some of y'all might benefit from getting off the internet for a bit if you think there's anything unusual about a group of 5 dudes who grew up together getting along really well.
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Lens Lord
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Curren skates gracefully as fuck
Dude glides like he weighs 50 lbs, tops.
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Curren skates gracefully as fuck
Dude glides like he weighs 50 lbs, tops.
Kid Icarus
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
I'd ride a Radiobread board
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I know nothing about camera gear.. but how much better does a 10k lens look than say, a 2-4k lens? I get why they’d give Jake a hard time about it, but it seems like a 50/50 responsibility split in my eyes. Anyway, dope edit. Incredible juxtaposition between this and the Hardies in the Cayman Islands edit yesterday lol.
To the average viewer, not that much better. It's a bit more complicated than that though. For the Panasonic camcorders most filmers use there isn't really anything that exists between the $10k Century lens (which also isn't even produced anymore) and the $200 Opteka (which looks quite bad IMO).
Damn they really gong for 10g's now? I know Jordan Trahan got one for about 3 but it has a pretty big scratch on it. You can just replace the front elements on them, but idk if Century still makes those and when I tried to get in touch with them a few years ago it was impossible. I could also see the elements being mad marked up, I think those 2 dudes that sell VX stuff on instagram just buy all of centuries stock of things when they come out and jack up the price cuz no one else can get them.
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
I'd ride a Radiobread board
(https://preview.redd.it/40e3buu1at251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dfaed43610ca0f00a707ca8481d6c81c110557ff)
yall gunna pretend like these wouldn't be halfway decent graphics?
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Love Louie and Mason. Curren kinda always just been there. But can the industry stop tryna push this Jake dude onto me. He seems like the guy who starts being extra funny when ladies show up to the kick back.
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of the all male 4ways i've watched tonight i enjoyed this one the most.
This is the funniest shit I've read in a long time.
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Love Louie and Mason. Curren kinda always just been there. But can the industry stop tryna push this Jake dude onto me. He seems like the guy who starts being extra funny when ladies show up to the kick back.
Nailed it
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
I'd ride a Radiobread board
(https://preview.redd.it/40e3buu1at251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dfaed43610ca0f00a707ca8481d6c81c110557ff)
yall gunna pretend like these wouldn't be halfway decent graphics?
Yes
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
I'd ride a Radiobread board
(https://preview.redd.it/40e3buu1at251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dfaed43610ca0f00a707ca8481d6c81c110557ff)
yall gunna pretend like these wouldn't be halfway decent graphics?
Yes
that moon shaped pool cover has a similar vibe to some boards that isle put out.
king of limbs is maybe polarish.
pablo honey could be a business and company graphic.
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
I'd ride a Radiobread board
(https://preview.redd.it/40e3buu1at251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dfaed43610ca0f00a707ca8481d6c81c110557ff)
yall gunna pretend like these wouldn't be halfway decent graphics?
Mix that shit with some hot loaves and we're talkin' classic stuff
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
I'd ride a Radiobread board
(https://preview.redd.it/40e3buu1at251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dfaed43610ca0f00a707ca8481d6c81c110557ff)
yall gunna pretend like these wouldn't be halfway decent graphics?
Can't lie I've always thought the Radiohead album covers are really ugly
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
I'd ride a Radiobread board
(https://preview.redd.it/40e3buu1at251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dfaed43610ca0f00a707ca8481d6c81c110557ff)
yall gunna pretend like these wouldn't be halfway decent graphics?
Can't lie I've always thought the Radiohead album covers are really ugly
Your eyesight and opinion is on point. These all suck.
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
I'd ride a Radiobread board
(https://preview.redd.it/40e3buu1at251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dfaed43610ca0f00a707ca8481d6c81c110557ff)
yall gunna pretend like these wouldn't be halfway decent graphics?
Can't lie I've always thought the Radiohead album covers are really ugly
Your eyesight and opinion is on point. These all suck.
Yeah these album covers just add weight to my original point.
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Spitfire buy this man a new lens
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Spitfire buy this man a new lens
I’m sure Cons or Nike have. He’s arguably the most known active filmer and he films one of the most marketable guys in the industry.
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Id love Mason for SOTY, other than this and the HUF video what have we seen him in this year? he didn't have many clips in the nike video I dont think
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Id love Mason for SOTY, other than this and the HUF video what have we seen him in this year? he didn't have many clips in the nike video I dont think
Take a lap. It was sick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csY-SoFONiY
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Love Louie and Mason. Curren kinda always just been there. But can the industry stop tryna push this Jake dude onto me. He seems like the guy who starts being extra funny when ladies show up to the kick back.
Lol
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Do the lens protectors interfere with the quality of the footage? If not why wouldn't Ryan be using one?
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Id love Mason for SOTY, other than this and the HUF video what have we seen him in this year? he didn't have many clips in the nike video I dont think
Take a lap. It was sick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csY-SoFONiY
gosh thanks for reminding me! such a great part
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meh this was kinda disappointing
Louie has never put out disappointing footage in his life
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footage dump - curren and jake skating skate mental boards.
would not be surprised if one them dropped a big part before the end of the year.
how long until mason is on FA?
imagine leaving Deluxe for FA
I could not imagine leaving Krooked or Anti Hero for FA. But I would leave Real. Even worse graphics than FA and even with being amazing- Mason still essentially competes with Ishod, Kyle Walker etc to stand out on that team. On FA he could get full creative control to make homie videos with Jake, Curren, and Louie all day long and would immediately be the best or 2nd best on the team after Louie. He also wouldn’t have to sport the Real Oval with like some flamingos being abducted by alien flying saucers and butterfly graphics with those shitty DLX shapes and wbs that only short fat ppl like the Gonz like.
FA is unbelievably try-hard and corny. It doesn’t matter at all if Real doesn’t have great graphics. Their team is absolutely stacked and productive. Real’s image is completely secondary to actual skating.
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footage dump - curren and jake skating skate mental boards.
would not be surprised if one them dropped a big part before the end of the year.
how long until mason is on FA?
imagine leaving Deluxe for FA
I could not imagine leaving Krooked or Anti Hero for FA. But I would leave Real. Even worse graphics than FA and even with being amazing- Mason still essentially competes with Ishod, Kyle Walker etc to stand out on that team. On FA he could get full creative control to make homie videos with Jake, Curren, and Louie all day long and would immediately be the best or 2nd best on the team after Louie. He also wouldn’t have to sport the Real Oval with like some flamingos being abducted by alien flying saucers and butterfly graphics with those shitty DLX shapes and wbs that only short fat ppl like the Gonz like.
FA is unbelievably try-hard and corny. It doesn’t matter at all if Real doesn’t have great graphics. Their team is absolutely stacked and productive. Real’s image is completely secondary to actual skating.
The actual issue is that DLX has been around for ~30 years and controls the entire skateboard industry while FA exists at the whim of Jason Dill.
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footage dump - curren and jake skating skate mental boards.
would not be surprised if one them dropped a big part before the end of the year.
how long until mason is on FA?
imagine leaving Deluxe for FA
I could not imagine leaving Krooked or Anti Hero for FA. But I would leave Real. Even worse graphics than FA and even with being amazing- Mason still essentially competes with Ishod, Kyle Walker etc to stand out on that team. On FA he could get full creative control to make homie videos with Jake, Curren, and Louie all day long and would immediately be the best or 2nd best on the team after Louie. He also wouldn’t have to sport the Real Oval with like some flamingos being abducted by alien flying saucers and butterfly graphics with those shitty DLX shapes and wbs that only short fat ppl like the Gonz like.
FA is unbelievably try-hard and corny. It doesn’t matter at all if Real doesn’t have great graphics. Their team is absolutely stacked and productive. Real’s image is completely secondary to actual skating.
The actual issue is that DLX has been around for ~30 years and controls the entire skateboard industry while FA exists at the whim of Jason Dill.
Also-Jim/Tommy/Julien all qualify for sainthood in skating. If they let you ride for them, you say yes and that's it.
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Louie doing a wall ride, shuv, catch on the wall (all four wheels back).
Not sure I've seen that before. Sick.
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would have loved if there was another dlx brand with these 4. would have been better than fa 2.0
the art direction for that brand would've been blander than REAL
Yeah. As much as I fuck with these dudes, a board brand from them sounds like "beige meets radiohead".
I'd ride a Radiobread board
(https://preview.redd.it/40e3buu1at251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dfaed43610ca0f00a707ca8481d6c81c110557ff)
yall gunna pretend like these wouldn't be halfway decent graphics?
Can't lie I've always thought the Radiohead album covers are really ugly
Hard agree.
Not gonna lie, when the Hawaii footage came up and started pumping that Patrick Cowley track while showing shirtless Mason in the water, I thought at least one of the quintet was gonna take their cock out at any moment.
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Does Shane Farber still not have a board sponsor?
Mindblowing if so . . . hes slept on
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Does Shane Farber still not have a board sponsor?
Mindblowing if so . . . hes slept on
I thought he was on hockey or fa affiliated? I remember talk about it when that Aaron Harrington bunt episode came out or something with him talking about meeting Shane and getting him on converse or something? I might be confusing a name here but I swore he was on one of the fa brands.
Either way agreed. I could see him on limo or weirdly enough frog . I feel like him and Nick michel are neat match.
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I think he's getting Hockey flow, but honestly I'd love to see him get poached by Limo
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I think he's getting Hockey flow, but honestly I'd love to see him get poached by Limo
Yeah he's been in Hockey flow purgatory since before they put Joe Campos on because at a glance I used to get them confused
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Most ever hatless louie?
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Most ever hatless louie?
My controversial opinion is that a hatless Louie would have already won SOTY.
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Does Shane Farber still not have a board sponsor?
Mindblowing if so . . . hes slept on
I thought he was on hockey or fa affiliated? I remember talk about it when that Aaron Harrington bunt episode came out or something with him talking about meeting Shane and getting him on converse or something? I might be confusing a name here but I swore he was on one of the fa brands.
Either way agreed. I could see him on limo or weirdly enough frog . I feel like him and Nick michel are neat match.
Definitely either. Actually might like him better on frog, even.
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Yeah, Shane Farber's flow status is one of the great mysteries of this era of skateboarding. It's absolutely baffling why Hockey hasn't put him officially on by now. The Limo or Frog suggestions also make sense, but it seems like he's pretty tight with Louie and Ryan Lee, so you'd think it'd all be sorted by now.