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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: Dwayne Hoover on March 05, 2026, 08:20:09 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gGBLsAz8s
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being on EDGLRD really aged Mike Arnold. damn shame
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Blimey, would you daft plonkers quit slaggin off me mates!?
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This neek part of team handsome or some innit mate
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Classy move by Jacob Harris to vouch for Casper on Baker. Really enjoyed this episode.
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Great episode
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
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that episode was rlllly good. rip ben raemers
i wonder who else wanted him on their team when he left isle? in hindsight, he would of been a great addition to hockey
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Good watch, the mental health talk is crucial...
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Good episode but I don’t get why he hates talking about music.
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this just made me want a blueprint epicly laterd
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this just made me want a blueprint epicly laterd
Tough titties. Only ELs that are related to baker riders or people with direct relationships to baker riders
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That was a great episode. The Brits seem really supportive of each other in a good way.
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I can relate to Casper’s anxiety issues and want to give him huge props for letting his guard down in order to help make this happen.
Anyone with anxiety issues, just know others feel like you out there
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That was very good, made me want to watch more of his parts. Great to see mental health being brought up more and more in skating.
Would love a DVD of all the Atlantic Drifts.
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Oooo a complete collection of AD vids on dvd would be an instant cop for me
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
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That was very good, made me want to watch more of his parts. Great to see mental health being brought up more and more in skating.
Would love a DVD of all the Atlantic Drifts.
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
Fr he came off super genuine in this. It was one of my faves out of the recent ones
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
I'd be interested in knowing what mental health issues you have
IMO if you really struggled with mental health you wouldn't trivialize it as a common issue and would empathize with those who struggle with it.
I thought it was pretty amazing, skating was pretty solid too, you sure we watched the same thing
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
You would have been better off just saying nothing at all.
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Loved the mental health talk, check on your homies and loved ones regularly. RIP Ben.
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Love you, pals.
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Good episode but I don’t get why he hates talking about music.
I'm kinda the same way with music, I'll talk about bands I like if I'm forced to but I dont like talking to other people about what I listen to. Being in the van and having to Aux is a nightmare for me and I avoid. I dont give a fuck what people think about me but then oddly care if people judge me based on what I say I like. Maybe its kinda like food where everyones tastes are different but everyone feels super strongly about what they like but I don't have a strong enough opinion other than I like it. I could def relate to him when Odell asked him that and he didnt wanna talk bout it. Good ep.
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
People may struggle, but often it’s a silent struggle and that’s when tragedy happens. Erasing the stigma, particularly for men, to open up helps the individual and society. It’s important to repeat so it does become second nature and acceptable
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
People may struggle, but often it’s a silent struggle and that’s when tragedy happens. Erasing the stigma, particularly for men, to open up helps the individual and society. It’s important to repeat so it does become second nature and acceptable
I sort of agree with both of you.
Casper agreed to doing the show, but he obviously didn’t feel comfortable talking about himself and his life. He was open about struggling with depression, but he didn’t really talk much about what he actually suffers from. It would have been more relatable had he talked about his family or childhood or about what his depression is connected to. Others guessed it was because of the harsh winters or being isolated in London, but he didn’t really elaborate on it himself. Still, he tried to talk about it and he admitted he was doing therapy, which I think is important. It is also understandable not to want to talk too much about it, because it can also be weird to put your mental issues out there and use them for marketing, as happens sometimes with American celebrities.
Anyways, I liked this episode because of all the skate footage they had to show to fill time. I love Casper Booker‘s skating. He’s one of the best right now.
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Really enjoyed this one because it was a good balance of serious, heartfelt, and important (Spanly spiel) with surprisingly funny and heartwarming. In particular, I loved Stu Kirst's mancrush on Casper and Beagle's description of him as a pent up stallion running free, let loose in the schoolyards of Los Angeles. Casper is a golden god. He could stomp on me with his Blazer-adorned feet anytime. His BHaDW II part was most definitely a highlight... one of the few I can instantly recall tricks from.
I love talking about music, but if I was from London and O'Dell told me all his references to London are "from Morrissey lyrics or Beatles..." and then asked what kind of music I liked, I would probably reply in the same way.
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this just made me want a blueprint epicly laterd
Tough titties. Only ELs that are related to baker riders or people with direct relationships to baker riders
does vaughn baker count
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
People may struggle, but often it’s a silent struggle and that’s when tragedy happens. Erasing the stigma, particularly for men, to open up helps the individual and society. It’s important to repeat so it does become second nature and acceptable
I sort of agree with both of you.
Casper agreed to doing the show, but he obviously didn’t feel comfortable talking about himself and his life. He was open about struggling with depression, but he didn’t really talk much about what he actually suffers from. It would have been more relatable had he talked about his family or childhood or about what his depression is connected to. Others guessed it was because of the harsh winters or being isolated in London, but he didn’t really elaborate on it himself. Still, he tried to talk about it and he admitted he was doing therapy, which I think is important. It is also understandable not to want to talk too much about it, because it can also be weird to put your mental issues out there and use them for marketing, as happens sometimes with American celebrities.
Anyways, I liked this episode because of all the skate footage they had to show to fill time. I love Casper Booker‘s skating. He’s one of the best right now.
I don't know what it's like to live in London, but it doesn't sound fun if you're a skater. I also assumed when he said during COVID lock downs and how he found himself on the floor crying a lot that he's likely not able to cope with something and or is avoiding dealing with something on a deeper/intimate level. That can be hard to explain to people who may not have a deep emotional investment on a youtube channel
I also noticed that Heath is a producer for the show... has that been the case for these newer episodes that Heath is funding the series?
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Another tasteful episode. The editor O'Dell mentioned he works with (Bunt interview) weaves these overlapping stories gracefully. refreshing POV from a non-skater and a female nonetheless, usually it's disastrous. given the conversation O'Dell had with Casper on the Thames about music, it was best to let the testimonials speak for themselves.
having lived in London for a year (Blueprint era), you will end up at the pub guaranteed as respite from the conditions. tough city to be productive in but few are more aesthetically proper in footage. you can't have it all.
the line "silent desperation is the English way" really resonates on the societal weight/expectations heads face there, and as byproduct generated some of the greatest most meaningful art/music of all time. Ben Raemers RIP.
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this just made me want a blueprint epicly laterd
Tough titties. Only ELs that are related to baker riders or people with direct relationships to baker riders
Yes, but not for the last name. Pretty sure he was in the Warner Ave crew back in the day
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
People may struggle, but often it’s a silent struggle and that’s when tragedy happens. Erasing the stigma, particularly for men, to open up helps the individual and society. It’s important to repeat so it does become second nature and acceptable
I sort of agree with both of you.
Casper agreed to doing the show, but he obviously didn’t feel comfortable talking about himself and his life. He was open about struggling with depression, but he didn’t really talk much about what he actually suffers from. It would have been more relatable had he talked about his family or childhood or about what his depression is connected to. Others guessed it was because of the harsh winters or being isolated in London, but he didn’t really elaborate on it himself. Still, he tried to talk about it and he admitted he was doing therapy, which I think is important. It is also understandable not to want to talk too much about it, because it can also be weird to put your mental issues out there and use them for marketing, as happens sometimes with American celebrities.
Anyways, I liked this episode because of all the skate footage they had to show to fill time. I love Casper Booker‘s skating. He’s one of the best right now.
I don't know what it's like to live in London, but it doesn't sound fun if you're a skater. I also assumed when he said during COVID lock downs and how he found himself on the floor crying a lot that he's likely not able to cope with something and or is avoiding dealing with something on a deeper/intimate level. That can be hard to explain to people who may not have a deep emotional investment on a youtube channel
I also noticed that Heath is a producer for the show... has that been the case for these newer episodes that Heath is funding the series?
Producer doesn’t usually mean he’s funding it, that’s more of an EP credit - he’s likely getting that credit because he helps with day to day setting up the shoots (based off o’dell photos) or getting Odell access people to talk.
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Fuckin Beagle comparing him to a stallion running free on the schoolyards was so good.
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being on EDGLRD really aged Mike Arnold. damn shame
he seemed about the same age as the other guys?
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I watched it a couple of times and it made me appreciate Casper and all of those guys much more. I have also had extended periods of executive dysfunction and prolonged depression that required a daily task/reminder list that included basic things like wake up, eat and drink coffee. The way they subtly handled the entire mental health aspect was really tastefully done, and was a touching tribute to Ben. Top blokes.
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I watched it a couple of times and it made me appreciate Casper and all of those guys much more. I have also had extended periods of executive dysfunction and prolonged depression that required a daily task/reminder list that included basic things like wake up, eat and drink coffee. The way they subtly handled the entire mental health aspect was really tastefully done, and was a touching tribute to Ben. Top blokes.
Shit man me too and I’ve been really struggling this past year with my routine being fucked with which has sent so much out of whack for me, especially taking my meds. I think I started doing the list thing when I saw him talk about it for the Smile foundation a couple of years ago, so I kinda appreciate this timely reminder
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Do yourself a favor and just watch that Nike part of him at south bank
Super fucking boring video
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Good episode but I don’t get why he hates talking about music.
I don't like talking about it because I don't actually have well rounded opinions despite liking what I like. I just end up sounding dumb. I imagine it's the same with him.
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What a powerful episode.
It touched on a very difficult subject and I really appreciated Casper Brooker putting himself out there. Shout out to making daily activity lists to help with mental health.
Also a nice reminder to rewatch Cathedral:
http://youtu.be/O851jR0lh5c
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Seen him warming up skating flat at SB a couple of years ago. Just a couple of switch heels so fast and powerful I couldnt believe it.
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Good episode but I don’t get why he hates talking about music.
O'dell awkwardly asking that question was probably the best part of the vid. Loved this ep. not really on brand, but there's gotta be some stuff on the cutting room floor to give us another few little clips. On coffee being on the list... it's the best part of the fucking day...it needs to be up there....
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
I agree. What did it for me was playing up the mental health angle but then declining to name the tell tale signs of Ben's suicide. In the end, glazing his legacy won out over going into uncomfortable detail - and I find that cowardly. You're not really doing prevention if you aren't telling people that Ben had a massive substance abuse problem that none of those guys knew how to deal with and so he ended up more isolated than ever towards the end of his life not because of "weather" (bizarre Tom Knox take) but because he was hard to be around and they all lacked the tools to deal with that. I waited 40 minutes for one of them to talk about feelings of guilt that they couldn't save him and instead this vague implication of "nobody could have seen it coming" is created. Casper is damn right that all the telltale signs were there and he should've used this platform to put them out there and enable others to act on them earlier than they did for Ben.
Everybody in this thread acts like Casper is courageously breaking some new ground for conversation when EL has always been open about the dark side of pro life and there's literally a foundation run/initiated (?) by Ben's sister that tries to shed real and valuable light on mental health struggles. Go and watch their Ben documentary, it's open and explicit about Ben's descent into alcoholism and drugs and the role they played in turning a depression into a suicide.
But to be fair this isn't an individual fault in Casper or the AD crew, it's he entire skateboarding industry's biggest blind spot. I mean has Phelper's addiction ever been addressed inside our industry? Van Wastell's? It's almost like we really don't WANT to learn.
To end on something positive, the Baker camp coming through with easily the most wholesome, erudite and poetical commentary in EL history was not on my bingo card.
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Good episode but I don’t get why he hates talking about music.
O'dell awkwardly asking that question was probably the best part of the vid. Loved this ep. not really on brand, but there's gotta be some stuff on the cutting room floor to give us another few little clips. On coffee being on the list... it's the best part of the fucking day...it needs to be up there....
Thought people would be digging Heath in the background reading a magazine in Casper’s flat more
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how tf Beagle has never been in England?????
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
I agree. What did it for me was playing up the mental health angle but then declining to name the tell tale signs of Ben's suicide. In the end, glazing his legacy won out over going into uncomfortable detail - and I find that cowardly. You're not really doing prevention if you aren't telling people that Ben had a massive substance abuse problem that none of those guys knew how to deal with and so he ended up more isolated than ever towards the end of his life not because of "weather" (bizarre Tom Knox take) but because he was hard to be around and they all lacked the tools to deal with that. I waited 40 minutes for one of them to talk about feelings of guilt that they couldn't save him and instead this vague implication of "nobody could have seen it coming" is created. Casper is damn right that all the telltale signs were there and he should've used this platform to put them out there and enable others to act on them earlier than they did for Ben.
Everybody in this thread acts like Casper is courageously breaking some new ground for conversation when EL has always been open about the dark side of pro life and there's literally a foundation run/initiated (?) by Ben's sister that tries to shed real and valuable light on mental health struggles. Go and watch their Ben documentary, it's open and explicit about Ben's descent into alcoholism and drugs and the role they played in turning a depression into a suicide.
But to be fair this isn't an individual fault in Casper or the AD crew, it's he entire skateboarding industry's biggest blind spot. I mean has Phelper's addiction ever been addressed inside our industry? Van Wastell's? It's almost like we really don't WANT to learn.
To end on something positive, the Baker camp coming through with easily the most wholesome, erudite and poetical commentary in EL history was not on my bingo card.
Jesus fucking Christ, man. wtf is wrong with you people complaining they didn’t go into enough detail about the guy’s inner turmoil. People have families and personal lives and just because they’re a pro skater doesn’t mean they need to be a spokesperson for mental health awareness. They touched on it enough to let you know, after that they don’t owe you or anyone else shit.
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
I agree. What did it for me was playing up the mental health angle but then declining to name the tell tale signs of Ben's suicide. In the end, glazing his legacy won out over going into uncomfortable detail - and I find that cowardly. You're not really doing prevention if you aren't telling people that Ben had a massive substance abuse problem that none of those guys knew how to deal with and so he ended up more isolated than ever towards the end of his life not because of "weather" (bizarre Tom Knox take) but because he was hard to be around and they all lacked the tools to deal with that. I waited 40 minutes for one of them to talk about feelings of guilt that they couldn't save him and instead this vague implication of "nobody could have seen it coming" is created. Casper is damn right that all the telltale signs were there and he should've used this platform to put them out there and enable others to act on them earlier than they did for Ben.
Everybody in this thread acts like Casper is courageously breaking some new ground for conversation when EL has always been open about the dark side of pro life and there's literally a foundation run/initiated (?) by Ben's sister that tries to shed real and valuable light on mental health struggles. Go and watch their Ben documentary, it's open and explicit about Ben's descent into alcoholism and drugs and the role they played in turning a depression into a suicide.
But to be fair this isn't an individual fault in Casper or the AD crew, it's he entire skateboarding industry's biggest blind spot. I mean has Phelper's addiction ever been addressed inside our industry? Van Wastell's? It's almost like we really don't WANT to learn.
To end on something positive, the Baker camp coming through with easily the most wholesome, erudite and poetical commentary in EL history was not on my bingo card.
Jesus fucking Christ, man. wtf is wrong with you people complaining they didn’t go into enough detail about the guy’s inner turmoil. People have families and personal lives and just because they’re a pro skater doesn’t mean they need to be a spokesperson for mental health awareness. They touched on it enough to let you know, after that they don’t owe you or anyone else shit.
It’s not morbid fascination. Ben’s family have a foundation that goes into depth to educate people on mental health awareness of which Casper has been a spokesperson for. People on here are just a little disappointed that with such a big platform as Epicly Laterd, interviewees just talked around the issue rather than be candid in a way that could help others recognize warning signs in themselves or others. Could just be because they don’t really know O’Dell which is why Casper wouldn’t even open up about music, whereas Smile stuff is made by known entities which invites more vulnerability.
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Good episode but I don’t get why he hates talking about music.
I'm kinda the same way with music, I'll talk about bands I like if I'm forced to but I dont like talking to other people about what I listen to. Being in the van and having to Aux is a nightmare for me and I avoid. I dont give a fuck what people think about me but then oddly care if people judge me based on what I say I like. Maybe its kinda like food where everyones tastes are different but everyone feels super strongly about what they like but I don't have a strong enough opinion other than I like it. I could def relate to him when Odell asked him that and he didnt wanna talk bout it. Good ep.
That's how I feel about music too; I hate having to DJ in the van. A lot of my taste is sort of esoteric, so I'll usually opt to play something that think everyone will like, and the whole thing becomes anxiety-inducing because I'm worried I'll embarrass myself by playing something that kills the vibe. I love music, and the music I connect with is an important aspect of my life, so I guess I take it personally when people don't like my music personal because I feel like my taste is part of my personality. This whole lame anxiety extends to even talking about music with most people, so I can definitely relate to Casper on that... I wouldn't want to try to describe my preferences or list my favorite bands on camera either.
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Super interesting watch.
I don’t get the people here who are saying Casper should have talked more about the death of Ben Reamers. Maybe others did, but it was probably out of his comfortzone and I think this should be respected. Using other peoples actions as a reference for somebody with serious mental health issues is just a view with a lack of empathy.
It is super that Casper as a role model spoke up in his own way about mental health. At least it inspired me.
And besides that, he is one of the best on a board right now!
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My favorite part was O'Dell showing every piece of music merch Casper had at his place and Casper being shown wearing a few band tees only to tell him on the bridge 'I hate talking about music'.
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Super interesting watch.
I don’t get the people here who are saying Casper should have talked more about the death Ben Reamers. Maybe others did, but it was probably out of his comfortzone and I think this should be respected. Using other peoples actions as a reference for somebody with serious mental health issues is just a view with a lack of empathy.
It is super that Casper as a role model spoke up in his own way about mental health. At least it inspired me.
And besides that, he is one of the best on a board right now!
Theyre Fucking Rubberneckers. Borderline True Crime Fans. Only Interested In The Gruesome Details Of A Tragedy With No Consideration To Tact Or How These Affect The Living Victims. Bens Passing Impacted London In A Deep And Meaningful Way And For Caspers EL Thats Enough
Also To Whatever Dipshit Was Acting Like Tom Knox’s Comment About Weather Was Ludicrous… Seasonal Depression And Isolation Is A Real Thing! How Are You Going To Stand On Your Soapbox And Preach If You Dont Even Know That?
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It’s his friend and his ep…so I think it’s up to him how he wants to present and share…..Got me to rematch this nonetheless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CHeZTAwgIo
‘I don’t know dude….if everything you know about England is from Morrisey songs….maybe there’s nothing to discuss here…’
Honestly like O’Dell putting himself in there and don’t mind him covering people who aren’t his close friends. It makes it more interesting, we wouldn’t be here if we didn’t have awkward questions….
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andrew reynolds telling him to go back to jkwon to redo his ender because he didn't catch it good enough was amazing
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
I agree. What did it for me was playing up the mental health angle but then declining to name the tell tale signs of Ben's suicide. In the end, glazing his legacy won out over going into uncomfortable detail - and I find that cowardly. You're not really doing prevention if you aren't telling people that Ben had a massive substance abuse problem that none of those guys knew how to deal with and so he ended up more isolated than ever towards the end of his life not because of "weather" (bizarre Tom Knox take) but because he was hard to be around and they all lacked the tools to deal with that. I waited 40 minutes for one of them to talk about feelings of guilt that they couldn't save him and instead this vague implication of "nobody could have seen it coming" is created. Casper is damn right that all the telltale signs were there and he should've used this platform to put them out there and enable others to act on them earlier than they did for Ben.
Everybody in this thread acts like Casper is courageously breaking some new ground for conversation when EL has always been open about the dark side of pro life and there's literally a foundation run/initiated (?) by Ben's sister that tries to shed real and valuable light on mental health struggles. Go and watch their Ben documentary, it's open and explicit about Ben's descent into alcoholism and drugs and the role they played in turning a depression into a suicide.
But to be fair this isn't an individual fault in Casper or the AD crew, it's he entire skateboarding industry's biggest blind spot. I mean has Phelper's addiction ever been addressed inside our industry? Van Wastell's? It's almost like we really don't WANT to learn.
To end on something positive, the Baker camp coming through with easily the most wholesome, erudite and poetical commentary in EL history was not on my bingo card.
That man was somebody’s friend.
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
I agree. What did it for me was playing up the mental health angle but then declining to name the tell tale signs of Ben's suicide. In the end, glazing his legacy won out over going into uncomfortable detail - and I find that cowardly. You're not really doing prevention if you aren't telling people that Ben had a massive substance abuse problem that none of those guys knew how to deal with and so he ended up more isolated than ever towards the end of his life not because of "weather" (bizarre Tom Knox take) but because he was hard to be around and they all lacked the tools to deal with that. I waited 40 minutes for one of them to talk about feelings of guilt that they couldn't save him and instead this vague implication of "nobody could have seen it coming" is created. Casper is damn right that all the telltale signs were there and he should've used this platform to put them out there and enable others to act on them earlier than they did for Ben.
Everybody in this thread acts like Casper is courageously breaking some new ground for conversation when EL has always been open about the dark side of pro life and there's literally a foundation run/initiated (?) by Ben's sister that tries to shed real and valuable light on mental health struggles. Go and watch their Ben documentary, it's open and explicit about Ben's descent into alcoholism and drugs and the role they played in turning a depression into a suicide.
But to be fair this isn't an individual fault in Casper or the AD crew, it's he entire skateboarding industry's biggest blind spot. I mean has Phelper's addiction ever been addressed inside our industry? Van Wastell's? It's almost like we really don't WANT to learn.
To end on something positive, the Baker camp coming through with easily the most wholesome, erudite and poetical commentary in EL history was not on my bingo card.
you sound like a fucking sociopath, dude.
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Yeah, that’s the most fried take I’ve seen in a while. Adding details like would reduce Ben’s legacy.
Also, alcohol/drug use works the opposite way where people turn to it when they’re depressed. None of his friends have a background in psychology or psychiatry, so it makes sense not to go in depth about it.
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Y'all acting like SMILE foundation doesn't exist. Or maybe you just are that ignorant.
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Jesus fucking Christ, man. wtf is wrong with you people complaining they didn’t go into enough detail about the guy’s inner turmoil. People have families and personal lives and just because they’re a pro skater doesn’t mean they need to be a spokesperson for mental health awareness. They touched on it enough to let you know, after that they don’t owe you or anyone else shit.
LOL OK. Then I would suggest not signing up to make a documentary about yourself with mental health being a prominent component if that's not something you want to talk about. This isn't some nosey stalker voyeurism into someone's life without their consent. This entire episode watched like someone who was forced into making a biography about their life and mental health struggles, and had no interest in actually talking about any of it. He came off as annoyed and uncomfortable to me. I kept asking myself "why did you even sign up to do this?"
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Jesus fucking Christ, man. wtf is wrong with you people complaining they didn’t go into enough detail about the guy’s inner turmoil. People have families and personal lives and just because they’re a pro skater doesn’t mean they need to be a spokesperson for mental health awareness. They touched on it enough to let you know, after that they don’t owe you or anyone else shit.
LOL OK. Then I would suggest not signing up to make a documentary about yourself with mental health being a prominent component if that's not something you want to talk about.
Take ur cape off. The point ur tryna make is gross
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I just want to reiterate that this was a great episode and loving tribute to Ben and his legacy. Kudos to Casper, Tom, Jacob, and everyone that touched on Ben's passing, that isn't easy to do, and I commend Casper for opting not to discuss the so-called tell-tale signs. Hindsight is 20/20, and as it was discussed those glaring signs can be masked real easy. These guys lost their close friend, and they have to live with that forever. This was a loving tribute to Ben and UK skateboarding.
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Y'all acting like SMILE foundation doesn't exist. Or maybe you just are that ignorant.
Coming From The Guy Who Isn't Familiar With The Concept Of Seasonal Depression....Okay Man
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On a lighter note, Patrick trying to talk about music with Casper immediately brought this to mind, and I love that they kept that interaction in the final cut.
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goddamn, people are really doubling down on someone's grief not being satisfying enough for them. Is it really all or nothing for you parasocial fucking dorks?
I hope nobody in real life is ever in a position where they are forced to confide to some of you people. Holy shit.
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You offer up some of the gentlest criticism on here and this the reaction you get.
I'm not quite so sure why the idea of going into detail about mental health on a program obviously setting out to explore mental health about somebody who volunteered to do this, is so offensive to you.
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You offer up some of the gentlest criticism on here and this the reaction you get.
I'm not quite so sure why the idea of going into detail about mental health on a program obviously setting out to explore mental health about somebody who volunteered to do this, is so offensive to you.
Ok...but what world do you live on when you offer an argument and critique attacking someones choice and expect to not get attacked from people who support someone who doesn't owe an explanation to anyone on youtube/Slap or let alone Odell? Did you miss the point we made that Patrick isn't that connected to Casper and may not have the emotional investment of wanting to know the detailed mental struggle of himself or Ben.
Just curious how you can't understand how someone can end up where Casper is,or do you need for them to spill the tea in order to empathize?
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for those of that don't get ridiculously expensive clothes and top-shelf equipment for free, you have to understand how dreary and sad it is being a british skater
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You offer up some of the gentlest criticism on here and this the reaction you get.
I'm not quite so sure why the idea of going into detail about mental health on a program obviously setting out to explore mental health about somebody who volunteered to do this, is so offensive to you.
Just curious how you can't understand how someone can end up where Casper is,or do you need for them to spill the tea in order to empathize?
I don’t think it’s tht they can’t empathize, I think they just hoped EL would have been more educational for those wanting to spread mental health awareness considering this video has 200k in 4 days and Casper’s Smile vid from 2 years ago has 41k. But that’s looking for EL to do something EL’s never been equipped to do. I don’t think it was a cynical move, but O’Dell admits in the intro he basically just does Baker skaters and it was a narrative hook to do an episode on Casper. (Also: Why is the thumbnail of CB shotgunning a beer?)
But I get it: it’s not easy to talk about mental health in general or with Heath Kirchart there, but the hope in destigmatizing mental health is that it does get easier to talk about, so this EL kinda feels like one step back to when people are back to talking around the issue to point they are using clinical depression and SAD (though there are some intersections, there are plenty of differences) interchangeably.
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My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"
Anyway, I thought this was really good, and I especially loved the insightful commentary from Spanly. Skateboarding can be so great sometimes.
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You offer up some of the gentlest criticism on here and this the reaction you get.
I'm not quite so sure why the idea of going into detail about mental health on a program obviously setting out to explore mental health about somebody who volunteered to do this, is so offensive to you.
"gentlest criticism" is a bit of an undersell lol there are posters calling Casper "cowardly" in this thread for not speaking about Ben's death the way they want him to
also would just note that we're not seeing everything that Casper, Tom, etc. said in their interviews and that they have no control over which of the things they say make it into the edit. easily could've been a Vice decision to keep the edit general and a bit vague about Ben's struggles and i don't doubt there was a lot left on the cutting room floor
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My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"
You should tell your wife she's a dumbass
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All of my references to Los Angeles are Randy Newman lyrics... or The Doors.
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All of my references to Los Angeles are Randy Newman lyrics... or The Doors.
I watched Kostons part in yeah right 22 years ago, I think i got all I need if the topic comes up
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My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"
Anyway, I thought this was really good, and I especially loved the insightful commentary from Spanly. Skateboarding can be so great sometimes.
He not autistic. He’s a ghost and he’s British.
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On a lighter note, Patrick trying to talk about music with Casper immediately brought this to mind, and I love that they kept that interaction in the final cut.
Worth remembering the O’dell himself has discussed his awkwardness and social anxiety and seems like Casper is anxious too so mind that and there’s a camera filming it all lol
I would totally chit chat about Morrissey while strolling the Thames. Blodney take me on a date let’s eat some chips I’ll even wear your adidas
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My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"
Anyway, I thought this was really good, and I especially loved the insightful commentary from Spanly. Skateboarding can be so great sometimes.
He not autistic. He’s a ghost and he’s British.
Okay this makes more sense.
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My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"
Anyway, I thought this was really good, and I especially loved the insightful commentary from Spanly. Skateboarding can be so great sometimes.
He not autistic. He’s a ghost and he’s British.
Quite. Have a gnar, good sir.
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On a lighter note, Patrick trying to talk about music with Casper immediately brought this to mind, and I love that they kept that interaction in the final cut.
I would totally chit chat about Morrissey while strolling the Thames. Blodney take me on a date let’s eat some chips I’ll even wear your adidas
bldoney take me on a date line is the funniest thing I've read all day.
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
I agree. What did it for me was playing up the mental health angle but then declining to name the tell tale signs of Ben's suicide. In the end, glazing his legacy won out over going into uncomfortable detail - and I find that cowardly. You're not really doing prevention if you aren't telling people that Ben had a massive substance abuse problem that none of those guys knew how to deal with and so he ended up more isolated than ever towards the end of his life not because of "weather" (bizarre Tom Knox take) but because he was hard to be around and they all lacked the tools to deal with that. I waited 40 minutes for one of them to talk about feelings of guilt that they couldn't save him and instead this vague implication of "nobody could have seen it coming" is created. Casper is damn right that all the telltale signs were there and he should've used this platform to put them out there and enable others to act on them earlier than they did for Ben.
Everybody in this thread acts like Casper is courageously breaking some new ground for conversation when EL has always been open about the dark side of pro life and there's literally a foundation run/initiated (?) by Ben's sister that tries to shed real and valuable light on mental health struggles. Go and watch their Ben documentary, it's open and explicit about Ben's descent into alcoholism and drugs and the role they played in turning a depression into a suicide.
But to be fair this isn't an individual fault in Casper or the AD crew, it's he entire skateboarding industry's biggest blind spot. I mean has Phelper's addiction ever been addressed inside our industry? Van Wastell's? It's almost like we really don't WANT to learn.
To end on something positive, the Baker camp coming through with easily the most wholesome, erudite and poetical commentary in EL history was not on my bingo card.
This is full toxic masculinity masquerading as mental health awareness.
Youre a proper piece of shit man. People deal with grief in different ways. Fuck off.
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“My wife has a pretty well curated sex playlist on Apple Music that I listen to during rush hour…”
*awkward silence with London landmarks in the distance *
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All of my references to Los Angeles are Randy Newman lyrics... or The Doors.
Odell is just such an awkward guy in front of the camera, he should just stay behind it at all times. If they ever did an episode with someone in Mexico I could see him saying something like "I only know Mexico from old Taco Bell commercials. What's your favorite topping on your chalupa?"
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
As a decent human that struggles with something that “everyone has”, I’m super duper glad that I do not know you in real life.
You’re a real bummer.
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Wow this thread really showed how shitty some people are. Good to know I don't have these kind of people around me in real life.
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Saw this meme and made me think of this thread lol
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This thread feels like a collective psychotic break. Didn’t know shit about Casper before this and came away a fan. Dude rips and seems cool. The journey to baker story is great.
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This thread feels like a collective psychotic break. Didn’t know shit about Casper before this and came away a fan. Dude rips and seems cool. The journey to baker story is great.
Ok but can you go into personal detail about why it feels like a psychotic break?
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
truly who gives a shit and at this point it feels like every epicly later'd I've watched of this season poorly touches on mental health. I feel like every hack job mini doc in skate or outside of skate defaults to mental health to add impact, depth, emotion, or purpose when it's not particularly interesting. Especially as I would say it's been quite a large focus culturally for the better part of the last 10 years. I'm inclined to agree with the other poster saying this lacks the detail that may actually shine a meaningful light on this situation. What was antwuan Dixon's epicly later'd if not a genuine look into someone's struggle. An artistic stride O'Dell hit with the original series he fails to grasp with the current iteration of the show, circling the drain of mental health awareness advocacy.
O'Dell mentioned during his bunt random skater of the week segment that he is hesitant to share the full edit with the skater so they don't over analyse the episode and ask for clips to be removed. Casper would be justified if he requested the 'i don't like talking about music' clip to be removed.
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Seems to me EP is reaching for the mental health angle to promote the video - see for EG the banner of the Youtube episode which reads 'How Tragedy Forged Casper Brooker Into A World Class Pro'. Is that really how it happened? The video doesn't make the case for that at all. So why lean so heavily on that framing to attract views?
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
People may struggle, but often it’s a silent struggle and that’s when tragedy happens. Erasing the stigma, particularly for men, to open up helps the individual and society. It’s important to repeat so it does become second nature and acceptable
I sort of agree with both of you.
Casper agreed to doing the show, but he obviously didn’t feel comfortable talking about himself and his life. He was open about struggling with depression, but he didn’t really talk much about what he actually suffers from. It would have been more relatable had he talked about his family or childhood or about what his depression is connected to. Others guessed it was because of the harsh winters or being isolated in London, but he didn’t really elaborate on it himself. Still, he tried to talk about it and he admitted he was doing therapy, which I think is important. It is also understandable not to want to talk too much about it, because it can also be weird to put your mental issues out there and use them for marketing, as happens sometimes with American celebrities.
Anyways, I liked this episode because of all the skate footage they had to show to fill time. I love Casper Booker‘s skating. He’s one of the best right now.
I don't know what it's like to live in London, but it doesn't sound fun if you're a skater. I also assumed when he said during COVID lock downs and how he found himself on the floor crying a lot that he's likely not able to cope with something and or is avoiding dealing with something on a deeper/intimate level. That can be hard to explain to people who may not have a deep emotional investment on a youtube channel
I also noticed that Heath is a producer for the show... has that been the case for these newer episodes that Heath is funding the series?
Heath and Odell have been friends for years , wouldn’t be surprised if he found a way to support Odell doing the newer ones to help him get vice on board for another season. These newer ones have basically been glorified shoe ads and then just baker? Ads essentially.
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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.
must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt
I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.
People may struggle, but often it’s a silent struggle and that’s when tragedy happens. Erasing the stigma, particularly for men, to open up helps the individual and society. It’s important to repeat so it does become second nature and acceptable
I sort of agree with both of you.
Casper agreed to doing the show, but he obviously didn’t feel comfortable talking about himself and his life. He was open about struggling with depression, but he didn’t really talk much about what he actually suffers from. It would have been more relatable had he talked about his family or childhood or about what his depression is connected to. Others guessed it was because of the harsh winters or being isolated in London, but he didn’t really elaborate on it himself. Still, he tried to talk about it and he admitted he was doing therapy, which I think is important. It is also understandable not to want to talk too much about it, because it can also be weird to put your mental issues out there and use them for marketing, as happens sometimes with American celebrities.
Anyways, I liked this episode because of all the skate footage they had to show to fill time. I love Casper Booker‘s skating. He’s one of the best right now.
I don't know what it's like to live in London, but it doesn't sound fun if you're a skater. I also assumed when he said during COVID lock downs and how he found himself on the floor crying a lot that he's likely not able to cope with something and or is avoiding dealing with something on a deeper/intimate level. That can be hard to explain to people who may not have a deep emotional investment on a youtube channel
I also noticed that Heath is a producer for the show... has that been the case for these newer episodes that Heath is funding the series?
Heath and Odell have been friends for years , wouldn’t be surprised if he found a way to support Odell doing the newer ones to help him get vice on board for another season. These newer ones have basically been glorified shoe ads and then just baker? Ads essentially.
do yall remember Heath did Tony Hawks podcast as a trade so Tony would be in Jeremy Kliens eoicky laterd