CASPER BROOKER - EPICLY LATERD

[Taffy Lee Fubbins]

On a lighter note, Patrick trying to talk about music with Casper immediately brought this to mind, and I love that they kept that interaction in the final cut.

[pizzafliptofakie]

goddamn, people are really doubling down on someone's grief not being satisfying enough for them. Is it really all or nothing for you parasocial fucking dorks?



I hope nobody in real life is ever in a position where they are forced to confide to some of you people. Holy shit.

[HeavyAndExpensive]

You offer up some of the gentlest criticism on here and this the reaction you get.

I'm not quite so sure why the idea of going into detail about mental health on a program obviously setting out to explore mental health about somebody who volunteered to do this, is so offensive to you.

[Abyss1]

You offer up some of the gentlest criticism on here and this the reaction you get.

I'm not quite so sure why the idea of going into detail about mental health on a program obviously setting out to explore mental health about somebody who volunteered to do this, is so offensive to you.

Ok...but what world do you live on when you offer an argument and critique attacking someones choice and expect to not get attacked from people who support someone who doesn't owe an explanation to anyone on youtube/Slap or let alone Odell? Did you miss the point we made that Patrick isn't that connected to Casper and may not have the emotional investment of wanting to know the detailed mental struggle of himself or Ben.   

Just curious how you can't understand how someone can end up where Casper is,or do you need for them to spill the tea in order to empathize?

[j....soy.....]

What kind of tunes do you guys like?

[PalaceButtPlug]

for those of that don't get ridiculously expensive clothes and top-shelf equipment for free, you have to understand how dreary and sad it is being a british skater

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You offer up some of the gentlest criticism on here and this the reaction you get.

I'm not quite so sure why the idea of going into detail about mental health on a program obviously setting out to explore mental health about somebody who volunteered to do this, is so offensive to you.

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Ok...but what world do you live on when you offer an argument and critique attacking someones choice and expect to not get attacked from people who support someone who doesn't owe an explanation to anyone on youtube/Slap or let alone Odell? Did you miss the point we made that Patrick isn't that connected to Casper and may not have the emotional investment of wanting to know the detailed mental struggle of himself or Ben.   

Just curious how you can't understand how someone can end up where Casper is,or do you need for them to spill the tea in order to empathize?

I don’t think it’s tht they can’t empathize, I think they just hoped EL would have been more educational for those wanting to spread mental health awareness considering this video has 200k in 4 days and Casper’s Smile vid from 2 years ago has 41k.  But that’s looking for EL to do something EL’s never been equipped to do.  I don’t think it was a cynical move, but O’Dell admits in the intro he basically just does Baker skaters and it was a narrative hook to do an episode on Casper.   (Also: Why is the thumbnail of CB shotgunning a beer?)

But I get it: it’s not easy to talk about mental health in general or with Heath Kirchart there, but the hope in destigmatizing mental health is that it does get easier to talk about, so this EL kinda feels like one step back to when people are back to talking around the issue to point they are using clinical depression and SAD (though there are some intersections, there are plenty of differences) interchangeably.   

 

[HugeBodBoyle]

My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"

Anyway, I thought this was really good, and I especially loved the insightful commentary from Spanly. Skateboarding can be so great sometimes.

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You offer up some of the gentlest criticism on here and this the reaction you get.

I'm not quite so sure why the idea of going into detail about mental health on a program obviously setting out to explore mental health about somebody who volunteered to do this, is so offensive to you.

"gentlest criticism" is a bit of an undersell lol there are posters calling Casper "cowardly" in this thread for not speaking about Ben's death the way they want him to

also would just note that we're not seeing everything that Casper, Tom, etc. said in their interviews and that they have no control over which of the things they say make it into the edit. easily could've been a Vice decision to keep the edit general and a bit vague about Ben's struggles and i don't doubt there was a lot left on the cutting room floor

[big sex]

My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"

You should tell your wife she's a dumbass

[No Wave Comply]

What kind of tunes do you guys like?

All of my references to Los Angeles are Randy Newman lyrics... or The Doors.

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All of my references to Los Angeles are Randy Newman lyrics... or The Doors.

I watched Kostons part in yeah right 22 years ago, I think i got all I need if the topic comes up

[gnidraobetaks]

My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"

Anyway, I thought this was really good, and I especially loved the insightful commentary from Spanly. Skateboarding can be so great sometimes.

He not autistic. He’s a ghost and he’s British.

[jgonzalez]

On a lighter note, Patrick trying to talk about music with Casper immediately brought this to mind, and I love that they kept that interaction in the final cut.

Worth remembering the O’dell himself has discussed his awkwardness and social anxiety and seems like Casper is anxious too so mind that and there’s a camera filming it all lol

I would totally chit chat about Morrissey while strolling the Thames.  Blodney take me on a date let’s eat some chips I’ll even wear your adidas

[HugeBodBoyle]

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My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"

Anyway, I thought this was really good, and I especially loved the insightful commentary from Spanly. Skateboarding can be so great sometimes.

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He not autistic. He’s a ghost and he’s British.

Okay this makes more sense.

[No Wave Comply]

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My wife watched this with me and she was all, "he's not shy, he's autistic, do people not see that?"

Anyway, I thought this was really good, and I especially loved the insightful commentary from Spanly. Skateboarding can be so great sometimes.

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He not autistic. He’s a ghost and he’s British.

Quite. Have a gnar, good sir.

[argggghhhhhhh]

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On a lighter note, Patrick trying to talk about music with Casper immediately brought this to mind, and I love that they kept that interaction in the final cut.

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Worth remembering the O’dell himself has discussed his awkwardness and social anxiety and seems like Casper is anxious too so mind that and there’s a camera filming it all lol

I would totally chit chat about Morrissey while strolling the Thames.  Blodney take me on a date let’s eat some chips I’ll even wear your adidas

bldoney take me on a date line is the funniest thing I've read all day.

[Unhappy Coccyx Bone]

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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.

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I agree. What did it for me was playing up the mental health angle but then declining to name the tell tale signs of Ben's suicide. In the end, glazing his legacy won out over going into uncomfortable detail - and I find that cowardly. You're not really doing prevention if you aren't telling people that Ben had a massive substance abuse problem that none of those guys knew how to deal with and so he ended up more isolated than ever towards the end of his life not because of "weather" (bizarre Tom Knox take) but because he was hard to be around and they all lacked the tools to deal with that. I waited 40 minutes for one of them to talk about feelings of guilt that they couldn't save him and instead this vague implication of "nobody could have seen it coming" is created. Casper is damn right that all the telltale signs were there and he should've used this platform to put them out there and enable others to act on them earlier than they did for Ben.

Everybody in this thread acts like Casper is courageously breaking some new ground for conversation when EL has always been open about the dark side of pro life and there's literally a foundation run/initiated (?) by Ben's sister that tries to shed real and valuable light on mental health struggles. Go and watch their Ben documentary, it's open and explicit about Ben's descent into alcoholism and drugs and the role they played in turning a depression into a suicide.

But to be fair this isn't an individual fault in Casper or the AD crew, it's he entire skateboarding industry's biggest blind spot. I mean has Phelper's addiction ever been addressed inside our industry? Van Wastell's? It's almost like we really don't WANT to learn.

To end on something positive, the Baker camp coming through with easily the most wholesome, erudite and poetical commentary in EL history was not on my bingo card.

This is full toxic masculinity masquerading as mental health awareness.

Youre a proper piece of shit man. People deal with grief in different ways. Fuck off.

[Lenny the Fatface]

What kind of tunes do you guys like?

“My wife has a pretty well curated sex playlist on Apple Music that I listen to during rush hour…”

*awkward silence with London landmarks in the distance *

[TheWineClub]

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All of my references to Los Angeles are Randy Newman lyrics... or The Doors.

Odell is just such an awkward guy in front of the camera, he should just stay behind it at all times. If they ever did an episode with someone in Mexico I could see him saying something like "I only know Mexico from old Taco Bell commercials. What's your favorite topping on your chalupa?"

[Snappyfingers]

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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.

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must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt

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I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.

As a decent human that struggles with something that “everyone has”, I’m super duper glad that I do not know you in real life.
You’re a real bummer.

[moshandwallies]

Wow this thread really showed how shitty some people are. Good to know I don't have these kind of people around me in real life.

[jgonzalez]

Saw this meme and made me think of this thread lol

[radcunt]

This thread feels like a collective psychotic break.  Didn’t know shit about Casper before this and came away a fan.  Dude rips and seems cool.  The journey to baker story is great. 

[Sandwich Marty]

This thread feels like a collective psychotic break.  Didn’t know shit about Casper before this and came away a fan.  Dude rips and seems cool.  The journey to baker story is great.

Ok but can you go into personal detail about why it feels like a psychotic break?

[ralf_]

the jam - in the city (1977)

[tityboi]

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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.

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must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt

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I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.

truly who gives a shit and at this point it feels like every epicly later'd I've watched of this season poorly touches on mental health. I feel like every hack job mini doc in skate or outside of skate defaults to mental health to add impact, depth, emotion, or purpose when it's not particularly interesting. Especially as I would say it's been quite a large focus culturally for the better part of the last 10 years. I'm inclined to agree with the other poster saying this lacks the detail that may actually shine a meaningful light on this situation. What was antwuan Dixon's epicly later'd if not a genuine look into someone's struggle. An artistic stride O'Dell hit with the original series he fails to grasp with the current iteration of the show, circling the drain of mental health awareness advocacy.

O'Dell mentioned during his bunt random skater of the week segment that he is hesitant to share the full edit with the skater so they don't over analyse the episode and ask for clips to be removed. Casper would be justified if he requested the 'i don't like talking about music' clip to be removed.

[DLBuxton]

Seems to me EP is reaching for the mental health angle to promote the video - see for EG the banner of the Youtube episode which reads 'How Tragedy Forged Casper Brooker Into A World Class Pro'. Is that really how it happened? The video doesn't make the case for that at all. So why lean so heavily on that framing to attract views?

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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.

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must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt

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I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.

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People may struggle, but often it’s a silent struggle and that’s when tragedy happens.  Erasing the stigma, particularly for men, to open up helps the individual and society.  It’s important to repeat so it does become second nature and acceptable

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I sort of agree with both of you.

Casper agreed to doing the show, but he obviously didn’t feel comfortable talking about himself and his life. He was open about struggling with depression, but he didn’t really talk much about what he actually suffers from. It would have been more relatable had he talked about his family or childhood or about what his depression is connected to. Others guessed it was because of the harsh winters or being isolated in London, but he didn’t really elaborate on it himself. Still, he tried to talk about it and he admitted he was doing therapy, which I think is important. It is also understandable not to want to talk too much about it, because it can also be weird to put your mental issues out there and use them for marketing, as happens sometimes with American celebrities.

Anyways, I liked this episode because of all the skate footage they had to show to fill time. I love Casper Booker‘s skating. He’s one of the best right now.

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I don't know what it's like to live in London, but it doesn't sound fun if you're a skater.  I also assumed when he said during COVID lock downs and how he found himself on the floor crying a lot that he's likely not able to cope with something and or is avoiding dealing with something on a deeper/intimate level.  That can be hard to explain to people who may not have a deep emotional investment on a youtube channel

I also noticed that Heath is a producer for the show... has that been the case for these newer episodes that Heath is funding the series?

Heath and Odell have been friends for years , wouldn’t be surprised if he found a way to support Odell doing the newer ones to help him get vice on board for another season. These newer ones have basically been glorified shoe ads and then just baker? Ads essentially.

[natenola forever]

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I watched this whole thing and came away not liking Casper Brooker very much. I don’t know how to describe it. It was like the did an epically later’d about him so they could talk about how shy he can be. OK great.

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must be miserable to view the world this cynically. mental health clearly plays a big part in his life, especially after Ben’s death. why shouldn’t he talk about it? every other Epicly Later’d prominently features some struggle, whether it be addiction or identity or whatever. anxiety and mental health is his. if you just want to hear fun party stories watch the bunt

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I don't need to hear fun party stories, but there was nothing inherently interesting about any of this. Call me cynical if you must, but I have zero interest in watching mental health PSAs via skate biographies. Everybody struggles with mental health.

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People may struggle, but often it’s a silent struggle and that’s when tragedy happens.  Erasing the stigma, particularly for men, to open up helps the individual and society.  It’s important to repeat so it does become second nature and acceptable

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I sort of agree with both of you.

Casper agreed to doing the show, but he obviously didn’t feel comfortable talking about himself and his life. He was open about struggling with depression, but he didn’t really talk much about what he actually suffers from. It would have been more relatable had he talked about his family or childhood or about what his depression is connected to. Others guessed it was because of the harsh winters or being isolated in London, but he didn’t really elaborate on it himself. Still, he tried to talk about it and he admitted he was doing therapy, which I think is important. It is also understandable not to want to talk too much about it, because it can also be weird to put your mental issues out there and use them for marketing, as happens sometimes with American celebrities.

Anyways, I liked this episode because of all the skate footage they had to show to fill time. I love Casper Booker‘s skating. He’s one of the best right now.

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I don't know what it's like to live in London, but it doesn't sound fun if you're a skater.  I also assumed when he said during COVID lock downs and how he found himself on the floor crying a lot that he's likely not able to cope with something and or is avoiding dealing with something on a deeper/intimate level.  That can be hard to explain to people who may not have a deep emotional investment on a youtube channel

I also noticed that Heath is a producer for the show... has that been the case for these newer episodes that Heath is funding the series?

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Heath and Odell have been friends for years , wouldn’t be surprised if he found a way to support Odell doing the newer ones to help him get vice on board for another season. These newer ones have basically been glorified shoe ads and then just baker? Ads essentially.

do yall remember Heath did Tony Hawks podcast as a trade so  Tony would be in Jeremy Kliens eoicky laterd