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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Firebert on July 10, 2013, 12:48:36 PM
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New Theeves are out!
http://theeve-trucks.myshopify.com/ (http://theeve-trucks.myshopify.com/)
What is new with the V3 truck from Theeve?
Improved bushing seat to work better with Bones Bushings
Improved yoke to keep Theeve True Turn Geometry
Lower set king pin to help with grinding
Lighter and stronger design
Has the Baseplate changed?
The baseplate has not been changed since we first released Theeve in 2009
Does the V3 go across all styles?
The V3 comes in; CSX, CSXLO, TIAX, TIAXLO, TIKING and TIKINGLO. It is not available in the Ti Hanger. We are developing the V2 Ti Hanger later this year.
What are the benefits of the new truck?
Greater kingpin clearance to make grinds easier
Less weight and structurally more sound
Bones Bushings fit better in the new bushing seat
Theeve True Turn Geometry is still retained.
Are there new sizes?
We have the original sizes; 5.0, 5.25, 5.5, 5.85 and we have now developed the 6.5, which come with all the great attributes of the other trucks, just in a wider version.
How do I know I?m buying a V2 or V3?
Initially some stores will have the V2 as well. The V3 will only come in Raw/Raw for the first 2 months before colored trucks are available. .
All trucks feature a bar code label with a description on the bottom of the baseplate. This will identify the version, size, model, and color.
What is the height difference between the old geometry and the new?
There is no difference in height. We still have great clearance and retain our True Turn Geometry. We are still at 55mm tall at centre of the axle.
All Low trucks are 49.5mm tall at the centre of the axle.
Is there a weight difference?
Yes there is a very small change in weight in each size, which has made each truck a few grams lighter.
To make your trucks even lighter still, try our titanium components such as our Ti Hollow Kingpin and Titanium Deckbolts. The Ti Hollow Kingpin is 55% lighter than a conventional kingpin.
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Looks good! I'm surprised Theeve isn't more popular. I've been riding Theeve's for the past 2-3 years and never had a problem, and I've liked them better than any other truck I've ridden.
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Looks good! I'm surprised Theeve isn't more popular. I've been riding Theeve's for the past 2-3 years and never had a problem, and I've liked them better than any other truck I've ridden.
I think the main problem is the price.
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I've always wanted to try some. They seem like good trucks and I like that they use shit like bones bushings, titanium-alloy hangers & hollow kingpins. Theorically they'd seem like "the best trucks" just because they use such materials. I'll probably try some out several months from now whenever my thunders blow out.
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Theeves are the shit! Ive been riding the basic ones, the CSX 5,85, for the last year and something, and they still have a lot of life left in them. And they turn perfect. Only problem was that Bones Bushings didnt really fit in them, so they blew apart in few weeks, but this is fixed in the newer models. Next Im looking for those with titanium axles, maybe next year. But yeah, after years of riding Thunders, I didnt think Ill be able to skate any other truck, Theeves proved me wrong.
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I rode a set when they first came out and they're really good trucks I must admit. But I just seem to like the feel and turn of Ace better. The fact that they come stock with Bones bushings is great though, because I've been rotating those bushings into my new trucks ever since.
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I never tried a pair but marketing is probably the main reason why they're not one of the coolest truck brands out right now... fuck on that note, I really hate catalogs showing ''cartoon'' versions of the products, show me the real stuff !
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Theeves are the shit! Ive been riding the basic ones, the CSX 5,85, for the last year and something, and they still have a lot of life left in them. And they turn perfect. Only problem was that Bones Bushings didnt really fit in them, so they blew apart in few weeks, but this is fixed in the newer models. Next Im looking for those with titanium axles, maybe next year. But yeah, after years of riding Thunders, I didnt think Ill be able to skate any other truck, Theeves proved me wrong.
This was my problem with them, as a result I only use them on my rarely used cruiser. They chewed through 2 sets of bushings in a little over a month on my 'normal' board. Interesting to know it has been fixed though.
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Theeves are the shit! Ive been riding the basic ones, the CSX 5,85, for the last year and something, and they still have a lot of life left in them. And they turn perfect. Only problem was that Bones Bushings didnt really fit in them, so they blew apart in few weeks, but this is fixed in the newer models. Next Im looking for those with titanium axles, maybe next year. But yeah, after years of riding Thunders, I didnt think Ill be able to skate any other truck, Theeves proved me wrong.
This was my problem with them, as a result I only use them on my rarely used cruiser. They chewed through 2 sets of bushings in a little over a month on my 'normal' board. Interesting to know it has been fixed though.
Im still using the Top one, that one feels good, but as a bottom I use the Indy aftermarket orange bushing, I think its a medium. These two combined are perfect IMHO. But bones were great too, while they lasted.
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I already had a set of really broken in hards, so when I got the bushing bulge with the soft, I swapped it out for a hard and never had a problem.
They aren't even more expensive than any other trucks, either (save, the TiH). I got a set of TiAx for $35 on sale and they fucked my indys in their motherfuckin' asses.
That said, I ride ACE on my cruiser for that surfy feel, but I like my trick board to be more stable, and Theeves have get way less wheelbite for being a lower truck due to that yoke.
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Nigga please looks like a Tracker Trucks... Ugly as fuck....
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Looks good! I'm surprised Theeve isn't more popular. I've been riding Theeve's for the past 2-3 years and never had a problem, and I've liked them better than any other truck I've ridden.
I think the main problem is the price.
I got the TIAX on sale at my local shop for $25 (for the set) and I would've paid the $60 for them. They last forever.
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Fully agree with these being the best trucks I have ever had. Been skating them for 3 years or so. We sell Indys, Thunder and Theeves in the shop I work in, Indys sell the most but when someone has changed to Theeves I have only had two people come back who didn't like them. Pretty good feedback all in all.
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Fully agree with these being the best trucks I have ever had. Been skating them for 3 years or so. We sell Indys, Thunder and Theeves in the shop I work in, Indys sell the most but when someone has changed to Theeves I have only had two people come back who didn't like them. Pretty good feedback all in all.
A couple of the guys I skate with say they hate Theeve because their bushings broke. But they ride the super tight trucks with the Medium Bones Bushings in there, but won't let me explain to them because they're a bunch of dumbasses.
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Fully agree with these being the best trucks I have ever had. Been skating them for 3 years or so. We sell Indys, Thunder and Theeves in the shop I work in, Indys sell the most but when someone has changed to Theeves I have only had two people come back who didn't like them. Pretty good feedback all in all.
Thing with Theeves is, and this sounds really regular, but they turn really well. Due to the angle of the hanger being a little tilted so you dont get the kingpin over hang like Indys, this gives you a slightly tighter turning circle. They do take a bit of getting used to but a black (hard) bones bushing in the bottom and a yellow (medium) bones bushing in the top stiffens it up a little.
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After reading some of the comments about Theeves on here I went out and bought some to test out. I must say that it's the best decision I've made. The turn to me is somewhere between Indy's and Ace. Ace being too loose for my liking. I love the fact that the 5.5 axle is 8.25 inches and not 8.0. Don't other truck companies realize that a lot of people ride 8.25 boards? Makes sense instead to make a 8.25 truck instead of struggling to deal with trying to ride either a 139's which is too small and 149's which are too big and heavy.
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Fully agree with these being the best trucks I have ever had. Been skating them for 3 years or so. We sell Indys, Thunder and Theeves in the shop I work in, Indys sell the most but when someone has changed to Theeves I have only had two people come back who didn't like them. Pretty good feedback all in all.
Yeah, I try to explain that they just needed to change their bushings, but they won't listen. They usually just call me a faggot ???
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After reading some of the comments about Theeves on here I went out and bought some to test out. I must say that it's the best decision I've made. The turn to me is somewhere between Indy's and Ace. Ace being too loose for my liking. I love the fact that the 5.5 axle is 8.25 inches and not 8.0. Don't other truck companies realize that a lot of people ride 8.25 boards? Makes sense instead to make a 8.25 truck instead of struggling to deal with trying to ride either a 139's which is too small and 149's which are too big and heavy.
Welcome aboard the Theeve train
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Fully agree with these being the best trucks I have ever had. Been skating them for 3 years or so. We sell Indys, Thunder and Theeves in the shop I work in, Indys sell the most but when someone has changed to Theeves I have only had two people come back who didn't like them. Pretty good feedback all in all.
I rode 'em average to loose with hards and still had this problem. However this was when they first came out and I am a gentleman of the weightier persuasion.
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maybe I try some next. maybe.
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The best part of how Theeve's turn IMO is the oval yoke
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-m_EQsxSeNDI/T90rXfLw6zI/AAAAAAAAAvA/F2b48QtDNB0/s1600/IMG_0948.JPG)
This helps prevent wheelbite by turning the trucks inward instead of downward but only during super sharp turns. This has kept me on my board during times where I'd normally get wheelbite and fly on my hip.
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are they close to thunder hi's in height?
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are they close to thunder hi's in height?
I never cared for Thunders, they are most like Ace. The Oval is the best part, but i had trouble with the pivot cups blowing out widened the slot. this was on the CSX tho not the TIAX
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Did the stop doing the titanium hanger ones?
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Surprised they are still around. I will stick with ACE, I like loose trucks and from what you guys are saying these don't turn how I like them.
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I found they are more squirrelly than an Indy, but less than an Ace...
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After reading some of the comments about Theeves on here I went out and bought some to test out. I must say that it's the best decision I've made. The turn to me is somewhere between Indy's and Ace. Ace being too loose for my liking. I love the fact that the 5.5 axle is 8.25 inches and not 8.0. Don't other truck companies realize that a lot of people ride 8.25 boards? Makes sense instead to make a 8.25 truck instead of struggling to deal with trying to ride either a 139's which is too small and 149's which are too big and heavy.
Good for you, hope ya like em. The 5.5 is actually 8.18", it's just advertised as 8.25".
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Did the stop doing the titanium hanger ones?
I was wondering the same thing since they don't have the TiH in the '13 catalog. I thought the whole point with Theeves was pushing new technology with the full titanium, "axle-less" hanger. "Probably gave up on the TiH"?
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Did the stop doing the titanium hanger ones?
I was wondering the same thing since they don't have the TiH in the '13 catalog. I thought the whole point with Theeves was pushing new technology with the full titanium, "axle-less" hanger. "Probably gave up on the TiH"?
They probably did, they were usually $120 - $150 for the pair. I wonder how many people actually bought them.
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Did the stop doing the titanium hanger ones?
I was wondering the same thing since they don't have the TiH in the '13 catalog. I thought the whole point with Theeves was pushing new technology with the full titanium, "axle-less" hanger. "Probably gave up on the TiH"?
They are also revamping the TiH, but it won't be out 'til fall 13
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roughly 2 years ago I won a set of the TiH through the golden ticket contest they had going on. To be completely honest they're awesome trucks, light as a feather, turn awesome, and being that they're titanium the could basically grind anything super smooth. At the time I was riding 149 trucks so that's what I asked for. However, theeve's 8.5 truck is way too wide for my taste, maybe the shape just makes it seem that way, I'm not sure. But it was always in the back of my mind and I went back to my indys.
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I was riding Thunder Hi 147s and came across the Theeve 8inch Hi ones..the CSX for $25 a pair on amazon. Got em and didn't like how the kingpin was so low that when i tightened the trucks the bushing began to bulge.. Switched back to Thunders after two weeks. Gave em to a friend who really dug them and bought another pair of Theeves after. Works for some but didn't quite do it for me. Im sticking to Thunders for life.
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i think i'll wait for the v3's to come out before i try a pair of the tiax ones.
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So do the V3's fix the broken bushing issue? Literally the only thing keeping me off theeves. Once my thunders die I'll probably cop a pair.
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So do the V3's fix the broken bushing issue? Literally the only thing keeping me off theeves. Once my thunders die I'll probably cop a pair.
Yes the v3 will have fixed it supposedly
FYI the current lows also don't have the bushing problem--same geometry, just a lower axle
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Anybody know a good place to buy these online? I can never seem to find the right model/size combo from most of the sites i usually go to and im sure most of em dont even have the v3s anyway. Im looking for either the TiKing Mid or TiH in the 5.5 size.
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Anybody know a good place to buy these online? I can never seem to find the right model/size combo from most of the sites i usually go to and im sure most of em dont even have the v3s anyway. Im looking for either the TiKing Mid or TiH in the 5.5 size.
I only found the TiAx in 5.5. The TiH is gonna be hard to find considering that they're working on the new model. You could try to look up local shops here: http://www.theevetrucks.com/buy.html (http://www.theevetrucks.com/buy.html)
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Anybody know a good place to buy these online? I can never seem to find the right model/size combo from most of the sites i usually go to and im sure most of em dont even have the v3s anyway. Im looking for either the TiKing Mid or TiH in the 5.5 size.
thanks man yeah i was already going thru the shops they have on there. unless i find a good deal ill probably wait until the v3's are out. i dont think they actually released em yet.
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Anybody know a good place to buy these online? I can never seem to find the right model/size combo from most of the sites i usually go to and im sure most of em dont even have the v3s anyway. Im looking for either the TiKing Mid or TiH in the 5.5 size.
thanks man yeah i was already going thru the shops they have on there. unless i find a good deal ill probably wait until the v3's are out. i dont think they actually released em yet.
Hoffart posted them on instagram and the description or whatever it's called said "Demand them at your local skateshop", so maybe it just came out so they aren't really available yet.
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I've been waiting for these for a while now.
I've ridden a set of 8.18" and 8.5", both times I had issues with the pivot cup hole widening out allowing the hanger pivot to swim around, sucked, as did theeves customer service.
Currently I ride ACE 44s, which are tad squirlly without a barrel bushing.
Having tried the new stage 11s (too tall and heavy) and thunder tiLights (too low, too much wheel bite), I'm nabbing a set of the V3s ASAP.
Theeve turn between ACE and Indy and grind better than both; I never got the bushing bulge, but then again, I ride the correct durometer bushing for how loose I ride my trucks - fools tightening down soft/medium bushings to make their trucks is ignorant.
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when the fuck are the v3's coming out? all i want is a set of the raw tiax. are they waiting for the old stock to sell through?
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So do the V3's fix the broken bushing issue? Literally the only thing keeping me off theeves. Once my thunders die I'll probably cop a pair.
FYI the current lows also don't have the bushing problem--same geometry, just a lower axle
Lower/higher axles have nothing to do with it, it was the bushing seat that was fixed, the new lows have a more pronounced/taller lip.
Left = New | Right = Old
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uHzNAo4sJ6U/T90rZ5CAw_I/AAAAAAAAAvY/IszLmy9opI8/s320/IMG_0951.JPG)
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So do the V3's fix the broken bushing issue? Literally the only thing keeping me off theeves. Once my thunders die I'll probably cop a pair.
FYI the current lows also don't have the bushing problem--same geometry, just a lower axle
Lower/higher axles have nothing to do with it, it was the bushing seat that was fixed, the new lows have a more pronounced/taller lip.
Left = New | Right = Old
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uHzNAo4sJ6U/T90rZ5CAw_I/AAAAAAAAAvY/IszLmy9opI8/s320/IMG_0951.JPG)
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i didn't say the axles had anything to do with it
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It was your sentence structure, so I clarified. That's all.
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Did the stop doing the titanium hanger ones?
I was wondering the same thing since they don't have the TiH in the '13 catalog. I thought the whole point with Theeves was pushing new technology with the full titanium, "axle-less" hanger. "Probably gave up on the TiH"?
I did! They are the best set of trucks ever made!
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when the fuck are the v3's coming out? all i want is a set of the raw tiax. are they waiting for the old stock to sell through?
I think they are when I was looking to buy mine most online shops had slim pickings, and it was all the old shit. I managed to find some 5.5 v2 tiaxs for like $40 and they skate great so far. I really like how they grind, the titanium hanger does a good job of powering thru sticky ledges. It was kinda weird for me at first because I was skating some thunder lights before I made the switch, and even tho the theeves LOOK like a bulkier, heavier truck than thunders they're actually a tad bit lighter. I'm stoked on em so far
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when the fuck are the v3's coming out? all i want is a set of the raw tiax. are they waiting for the old stock to sell through?
I think they are when I was looking to buy mine most online shops had slim pickings, and it was all the old shit. I managed to find some 5.5 v2 tiaxs for like $40 and they skate great so far. I really like how they grind, the titanium hanger does a good job of powering thru sticky ledges. It was kinda weird for me at first because I was skating some thunder lights before I made the switch, and even tho the theeves LOOK like a bulkier, heavier truck than thunders they're actually a tad bit lighter. I'm stoked on em so far
I saw a set of v2's at my local shop today, I said, "Wow, you still got Theeves" and they said they couldn't sell them because all the kids want nowadays are "light" trucks like thunder and indys :D. I said, "you know theeve's are lightest trucks you have in the shop?" He looked at me like I was stupid. Also had no clue what the hell "formula fours" were. Needless to say I didn't bother to ask when they were getting the V3's lol.
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Theeve just listed 08-08-13 for when the V3s will be in shops...what shops and where, who knows!
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They're selling 'em online first, way to undercut local shops and make some extra money
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hmm, going to pull the trigger. 5.25 or 5.5 for 8", maybe sometimes 8.125" boards?
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i ride 8.125's and am going for the 5.5 keeping in mind the axle is 8.18"
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hmm, going to pull the trigger. 5.25 or 5.5 for 8", maybe sometimes 8.125" boards?
Yea I skate the same size boards & I'm rolling with the 5.5's.
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hmm kinda have a thing about the axles sticking out. going with the 5.25. thanks guys.
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They seem a little too pricey on their website, I'm going to try and wait for a better deal, socalskateshop is supposed to have them later next week.
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They seem a little too pricey on their website, I'm going to try and wait for a better deal, socalskateshop is supposed to have them later next week.
bout time they got an online store. theyre selling their titanium kingpins for ZERO dollars plus 8 bucks for shipping. dunno if thats a mistake or what (especially seeing as how their titanium hardware is $21) but im bout to turn my tiax's to tikings!
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ordered some 5.25 tiax, fuck it. i don't have to try search them out, now.
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snap, just won a set of V3 CSX via theeve's facebook
now I'm glad I didn't pull any triggers earlier
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that $22 hardware will probably sell...
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that $22 hardware will probably sell...
you'd be surprised at how quickly they sell out of that hardware.
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Did the stop doing the titanium hanger ones?
I was wondering the same thing since they don't have the TiH in the '13 catalog. I thought the whole point with Theeves was pushing new technology with the full titanium, "axle-less" hanger. "Probably gave up on the TiH"?
I did! They are the best set of trucks ever made!
I asked the question because if they didn't make em I'd go out and buy a 2nd set of Tih's......just in case someone stole mine.....otherwise the intent is this is the last set of trucks.....
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Nigga please looks like a Tracker Trucks... Ugly as fuck....
They have the best weight, turning and durability, but yeah... ugly as fuck (or too much like Thunder to be aesthetically pleasing)... and the pricing must suck for everybody outside of Australia.
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I want to get a pair of TiH and put the hangers on ACE's magplates
fyi: theeve hangers on ace bases alleviates the old bushing problem
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this may totally be off base, but I'd never get the tiH's because they look like they grind horribly. I know it's absurd, but its a mental association I've had with 'raw' trucks forever, not just these, but thunders and whatever else.
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I want to get a pair of TiH and put the hangers on ACE's magplates
fyi: theeve hangers on ace bases alleviates the old bushing problem
This is with the older Theeves right? I still have my CSX and they have a lot of life in them yet, it would be good to use them once my ace hangars are done.
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I want to get a pair of TiH and put the hangers on ACE's magplates
fyi: theeve hangers on ace bases alleviates the old bushing problem
This is with the older Theeves right? I still have my CSX and they have a lot of life in them yet, it would be good to use them once my ace hangers are done.
Yeah V2 and previous had a nasty rep for de-coring bones meds, but I didn't have the issue when I put em on my ACE baseplates.
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this may totally be off base, but I'd never get the tiH's because they look like they grind horribly. I know it's absurd, but its a mental association I've had with 'raw' trucks forever, not just these, but thunders and whatever else.
Cause they aren't painted or shiny?
I'm stoked on the design of the Tih....it looks all thinned out like an ACE....I found they grind good and alway look a week old.....pretty sure they spark more....I often find myself smelling my trucks.....
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this may totally be off base, but I'd never get the tiH's because they look like they grind horribly. I know it's absurd, but its a mental association I've had with 'raw' trucks forever, not just these, but thunders and whatever else.
Cause they aren't painted or shiny?
I'm stoked on the design of the Tih....it looks all thinned out like an ACE....I found they grind good and alway look a week old.....pretty sure they spark more....I often find myself smelling my trucks.....
I think I'm going to get a set of some TiH for the shape alone, I wish they had 5.5s
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I've been riding the TiH 5.5 for over a year now and I don't think that a titanium hanger is the best for all terrain. It grinds amazing on normal ledges and curbs (the TiH is best truck for slappys hands down) but grinding metal is too inconsistent for me, so much so that I'm switching. Sometimes it grinds good and sometimes it comes to a halt. At first I attributed it to abused metal coping but thats not the case, the titanium is the problem.
I'll probably go back to the TIAX or maybe try out the 139 Independent stage 11 since they went back to the old (good) geometry. If you want a lengthy review, heres a thread I started a while back on the Thrasher forums:
http://www.thrashermagazine.com/forum/index/topic12257.0/ (http://www.thrashermagazine.com/forum/index/topic12257.0/)
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I never cared for Thunders, they are most like Ace. The Oval is the best part, but i had trouble with the pivot cups blowing out widened the slot. this was on the CSX tho not the TIAX
I actually really liked it when that happened to my old TIAX! I tried duplicating the effect by cutting up the bottom out of the pivot cup on my TiH but it didn't work as well as I expected, now it just gets wheel bite easier
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I've been riding the TiH 5.5 for over a year now and I don't think that a titanium hanger is the best for all terrain. It grinds amazing on normal ledges and curbs (the TiH is best truck for slappys hands down) but grinding metal is too inconsistent for me, so much so that I'm switching. Sometimes it grinds good and sometimes it comes to a halt. At first I attributed it to abused metal coping but thats not the case, the titanium is the problem.
I'll probably go back to the TIAX or maybe try out the 139 Independent stage 11 since they went back to the old (good) geometry. If you want a lengthy review, heres a thread I started a while back on the Thrasher forums:
http://www.thrashermagazine.com/forum/index/topic12257.0/ (http://www.thrashermagazine.com/forum/index/topic12257.0/)
Indy just dropped the titanium axle, forged baseplate stage 11. I'd go with that over the TiAX
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Cause they aren't painted or shiny?
pretty much, but I really only mean the raw thunders and tiH. can't do painted, either. dumb logic, but its just one of those stupid things like red top plies.
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I've been riding the TiH 5.5 for over a year now and I don't think that a titanium hanger is the best for all terrain. It grinds amazing on normal ledges and curbs (the TiH is best truck for slappys hands down) but grinding metal is too inconsistent for me, so much so that I'm switching. Sometimes it grinds good and sometimes it comes to a halt. At first I attributed it to abused metal coping but thats not the case, the titanium is the problem.
I'll probably go back to the TIAX or maybe try out the 139 Independent stage 11 since they went back to the old (good) geometry. If you want a lengthy review, heres a thread I started a while back on the Thrasher forums:
http://www.thrashermagazine.com/forum/index/topic12257.0/ (http://www.thrashermagazine.com/forum/index/topic12257.0/)
Indy just dropped the titanium axle, forged baseplate stage 11. I'd go with that over the TiAX
Forged hollows! Not at it matters, but if you've ever held the Ti Kinpin by itself you'd be shocked as hell, even comparing to the indy or thunder hollow pins.
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Good to know about those TiH, I'll stick with tikings.
I saw that Indy is feeling the pressure and using titanium axles now, but the hanger is still alum and the kingpins are still steel
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On my tiaxs the top bushing blew...on my Tihs the bottom one is blowing...I saw that he comments about the switch to the ACE base plate but after spending like a hundred bucks for a set of trucks....I'm just gonna keep replacing bushings or see if I can ram in a bottom washer....
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Good to know about those TiH, I'll stick with tikings.
I saw that Indy is feeling the pressure and using titanium axles now, but the hanger is still alum and the kingpins are still steel
That puts them on par with Thunder Ti Lights, arguably Thunder is their biggest competition with Theeve still being nice and with a meh rep.
Theeve mentioned forged plates coming later in the year, TiKing with forged plates sounds like a hell of a mid.
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Indy just dropped the titanium axle, forged baseplate stage 11. I'd go with that over the TiAX
Forged hollows! Not at it matters, but if you've ever held the Ti Kinpin by itself you'd be shocked as hell, even comparing to the indy or thunder hollow pins.
Yeah I was looking at those but I'm not a fan of the hollow kingpin or light baseplate. I like the baseplate to feel solid and maintain a center of gravity. Call me crazy but with the hollow kingpin and light baseplate, the setup seems weird and top heavy. Plus, I like a slightly taller truck and the normal stage 11 is now 55mm just like Theeve. The hollow forged is a bit lower. I'll probably end up with the 5.5 TIAX but the stage 11 is tempting... if only Indy made an 8.25
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Indy just dropped the titanium axle, forged baseplate stage 11. I'd go with that over the TiAX
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Forged hollows! Not at it matters, but if you've ever held the Ti Kinpin by itself you'd be shocked as hell, even comparing to the indy or thunder hollow pins.
Yeah I was looking at those but I'm not a fan of the hollow kingpin or light baseplate. I like the baseplate to feel solid and maintain a center of gravity. Call me crazy but with the hollow kingpin and light baseplate, the setup seems weird and top heavy. Plus, I like a slightly taller truck and the normal stage 11 is now 55mm just like Theeve. The hollow forged is a bit lower. I'll probably end up with the 5.5 TIAX but the stage 11 is tempting... if only Indy made an 8.25
yeah dude the tiax's are pretty good. been skating mine for a couple weeks or so now & I'm hyped on em. they have somewhat of a "beefier" grind but at the same time they're still lighter than most trucks. turn pretty good too. cant wait til i get my hollow titanium kingpins and make em even lighter.
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cant wait til i get my hollow titanium kingpins and make em even lighter.
hope you got a vice handy, don't go at it with a hammer and cinder blocks
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cant wait til i get my hollow titanium kingpins and make em even lighter.
yeah i have a vice. one of the guys at theeve sent me some pictures of how some customer did it, which i guess looks like it makes sense. how would you go at it using a vice? ive never had to swap out kingpins before so excuse me for being a n00b lol.
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/2n6awxc.jpg)
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cant wait til i get my hollow titanium kingpins and make em even lighter.
yeah i have a vice. one of the guys at theeve sent me some pictures of how some customer did it, which i guess looks like it makes sense. how would you go at it using a vice? ive never had to swap out kingpins before so excuse me for being a n00b lol.
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/2n6awxc.jpg)
Hell if I know, I don't have one... I just know that the ol' hammer won't do it because I tried that and bent my baseplates in half before I ever got the kingpin in there. I ended up sending 'em in to theeve so they could do it for me--which they graciously did and sent me a free hat for my troubles.
As for that picture... I wish I would've thought of that. Looks like he's just tightening the nut at the top to pull the kingpin in place.
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cant wait til i get my hollow titanium kingpins and make em even lighter.
yeah i have a vice. one of the guys at theeve sent me some pictures of how some customer did it, which i guess looks like it makes sense. how would you go at it using a vice? ive never had to swap out kingpins before so excuse me for being a n00b lol.
Have changed mine out a couple times, heres how i did it, taking the solid kingpin out i got a thick timber board, held the baseplate just over the edge so the kingpin hole wasnt covered, hammered it out, then too put the new one in, i placed the baseplate upside down in my vice, and rested the flat part of it on the vice, tightening it around the skinnier part, lined up the kingpin grooves with those in the baseplate and used the old kingpin to hammer the new one in, making sure the grooves line up is key, after youve done one, line it up with the other unchanged baseplate just too see if its at the right height and all that, did it with my TiH and those things were light as all fuck
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I've been riding the TiH 5.5 for over a year now and I don't think that a titanium hanger is the best for all terrain. It grinds amazing on normal ledges and curbs (the TiH is best truck for slappys hands down) but grinding metal is too inconsistent for me, so much so that I'm switching. Sometimes it grinds good and sometimes it comes to a halt. At first I attributed it to abused metal coping but thats not the case, the titanium is the problem.
Unfortunately, I have to agree. I don't think the full titanium hangers on the TiH get along very well with angle iron. I decided to buy some Thunders awhile back because I swore that there was something wrong with the way the Theeves grind on angle iron but I wasn't quite sure. I love Thunders and have been happy with them for the last few months but this happened recently...
(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/2482/gw1x.png)
I still had my TiH sitting around so I mounted them up thinking maybe that I was just being a douche and the whole sticking thing was just in my head. I tried them again and was surprised at how good they felt the second time around. The turning is so perfect and they just feel really crisp. Power slides, reverts and landings feel like you are on rails, like the trucks are self correcting. Unfortunately as soon as I hopped on some angle iron I noticed the sticking again and realized that it wasn't just in my head. I was hitting a ledge that I had no problem sliding across on the Thunders and there was a very noticeable difference with the TiHs. If my weight distribution was just a little off they would stop dead on the ledge or at best slow down quite a bit. Even if I went relatively fast and could grind it out, I could still feel a weird drag/crunchy feeling that I didn't have with the Thunders. I haven't hit a bowl with them again yet but from what I remember they are fine on round metal coping.
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wouldn't the tiax be better then?
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wouldn't the tiax be better then?
yeah the tiax or tikings would seem to be the better option. I too was interested in the TiH but the tikings are already probably the lightest truck on the market (excluding those magnesium tensors or some some shit) and they grind perfect on anything. I think the tiaxs & tikings are made of a titanium alloy so its like the best of both worlds. they grind well and can power through sticker ledges, but they still grind just fine on rails & angle iron. so far im loving mine so i think im gonna hop on the theeve bandwagon for a while. I cant really see another truck skating better than what i already have.
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To me turning wise you can't compare a theeve to a thunder....
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wouldn't the tiax be better then?
If you skate a lot of ledges then my suggestion would be the TiKings if the Ti Alloy grinds better than the full Ti. My absolute only complaint with the TiH is the drag on angle iron. I am not a small dude and weigh around 190 lbs. so that probably isn't helping but I don't have any problem with aluminum hangers. I hit some bowls yesterday and the TiH grind great on round coping and pretty much everything else but I was also skating a ledge like the one pictured below that just has a sliver of metal along the edge and I still noticed a lot of drag...
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7890/qmgi.png)
I have had a few sets of Indy's that shit the bed with some pretty bad axle slip and that's what sold me on the "axle-less" hanger and I figured the full Ti would be pretty indestructible, which it appears to be, so I wish the full titanium worked better for me. I have a fresh pair of Ace's that I'll need to get through before my next set of trucks but I'll likely go for the TiKings if I buy a set of Theeves.
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To me turning wise you can't compare a theeve to a thunder....
Sure I can. Thunders turn very quick and sharp, they are quite nice, but I got too much wheelbite riding them loose. Theeves are just as responsive but prevent that issue. They just feel more stable imo
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To me turning wise you can't compare a theeve to a thunder....
This^. I was previously skating some thunders that turned nicely but I was getting hella wheelbite until I threw some big ass risers on there. My theeves without any risers pretty much feel the same now that the bushings are 100% broken in.
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To me turning wise you can't compare a theeve to a thunder....
Agree. I know everyone has a preference but Thunders turn nothing like Theeves. Not saying they're bad, a lot of my friends ride thunder but the turning feel is significantly different.
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To me turning wise you can't compare a theeve to a thunder....
Agree. I know everyone has a preference but Thunders turn nothing like Theeves. Not saying they're bad, a lot of my friends ride thunder but the turning feel is significantly different.
Comparing the two doesn't imply similarity though.
Thunders are going to feel stable because they effectively increase your wheelbase by placing the axles further apart, but they are also going to turn sharper because of it. .
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_32465_Thunder149HI_MailinerTM_SLG.jpg)
Theeve's axles are more towards the center of the truck which provides a mellower turn at first, but by having an oval yoke pulls the wheels toward the center of the deck as opposed to downward when you turn (less wheelbite).
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_38623_TheeveV3Tiax_SLG.jpg)
Picture of the oval yoke (in case you are wondering what the yoke is)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-q-88qz_owXA/TqmPakWUTRI/AAAAAAAAAWw/4pASQRAtYs8/s1600/IMG_0549.JPG)
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socalskateshop and skatewarehouse just got some v3's in, much cheaper than getting 'em direct from theeve
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just got mine today and i gotta say they feel nothing like the thunder lights i had on there. i took the bottom washers off and left the medium bones on and holy shit. need to put the hard's on ASAP. super loose, but still felt pretty good. nice to go back to a higher truck, but they are going to take some getting used to for sure.
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I want to get a pair of TiH and put the hangers on ACE's magplates
fyi: theeve hangers on ace bases alleviates the old bushing problem
This is with the older Theeves right? I still have my CSX and they have a lot of life in them yet, it would be good to use them once my ace hangers are done.
Yeah V2 and previous had a nasty rep for de-coring bones meds, but I didn't have the issue when I put em on my ACE baseplates.
I've just put the CSX hangars on Ace baseplates. Unfortunately my knee is a bit fucked at the moment so I cant try it out yet. The difference in size really struck me though; are 5.5's the equivalent of 139?
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Theeve has odd sizing.
The 5.5 has an 8.18" axle.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0253/0243/files/THEEVE-DECK-SIZING_small_large.jpeg?778)
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yeah, that chart is weird it sorta makes sense...but they should just list the exact measurements like they used to
however, I ride 8.1s and the 5.5s fit just fine, the outer edge of my wheels are lined up perfectly with the edge of the deck
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yeah im rolling with the 5.5's on an 8.0 myself. I prefer to have MORE truck under me than less. Axles barely sticking out dont really bother me at all plus if i wanna up my board size a lil bit ill be all good.
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Me three, I ride the 5.5 and a DLX 8.18, about as flush as can be. The 5.5 is just a bit wider than the 139 (.18" to be exact)
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Theeve has odd sizing.
The 5.5 has an 8.18" axle.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0253/0243/files/THEEVE-DECK-SIZING_small_large.jpeg?778)
Thanks Xen. I ride 8.5 boards and 5.5 hangars just feel too narrow to me; I'm going back to my Ace 44s for now. I did set the CSX hangars up really loose though so they would be squirrelly like Aces and noticed that I was getting a lot less wheelbite than usual. I may have to look into getting an appropriately sized pair when my Aces are done.
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anyone else riding the v3's notice that the top washer is digging into the hanger? i guess it's to do with the yoke.
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anyone else riding the v3's notice that the top washer is digging into the hanger? i guess it's to do with the yoke.
lame, the v2s had that problem. thought they woulda fixed that.
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How the kingpin clearance of the new theeves compare to say some thunder 149's? Loved my old CSX's save for the bushing issue and would wanna try theeve out again.
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How the kingpin clearance of the new theeves compare to say some thunder 149's? Loved my old CSX's save for the bushing issue and would wanna try theeve out again.
Noticeably better. That was why I made the same switch from thunders to theeves in the first place. It's a much "beefier" grind in my opinion
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anyone else riding the v3's notice that the top washer is digging into the hanger? i guess it's to do with the yoke.
Noticed this on my own trucks but I didn't really think itd hinder performance or durability so I didn't pay it any mind. Does it fuck with your trucks after a while or is it purely cosmetic?
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How the kingpin clearance of the new theeves compare to say some thunder 149's? Loved my old CSX's save for the bushing issue and would wanna try theeve out again.
Noticeably better. That was why I made the same switch from thunders to theeves in the first place. It's a much "beefier" grind in my opinion
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anyone else riding the v3's notice that the top washer is digging into the hanger? i guess it's to do with the yoke.
Noticed this on my own trucks but I didn't really think itd hinder performance or durability so I didn't pay it any mind. Does it fuck with your trucks after a while or is it purely cosmetic?
never messed mine up, if it bothers you, you can always take the washers out- I took the bottom one out because I like mine loose and the nut wouldn't grab enough thread of the titanium kingpins(which is noticeably shorter than the steel ones)
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I absolutely hated the theeve trucks I had. A friend of mine had them and hated them, so he gave them to me. Probably skated them for a week tops. They feel like they don't and they don't grind. I can't think of a worse truck. I tried loosening them up witch only made them wobbly and still not turn. I would never suggest them to anyone, but if they work for you guys then keep going with it
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I just won some of the CSX V3's on their Facebook page and they arrived today. I took them apart and compared them to my current TiAx ones and you can see the difference, really stoked I got them for free. I'll let you guys know how they skate in a week or so.
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^^ Fuck yes to free shit especially from Facebook- Looks like reading people complain about their lives pays off
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^^ Fuck yes to free shit especially from Facebook- Looks like reading people complain about their lives pays off
Funniest thing is, when I was putting in my email, I was talking to my friend about how it seemed like the contests were fake. We had never heard of anyone we know winning, so we figured they probably just put an employee's name on there. Two days later I got the Email.
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How the kingpin clearance of the new theeves compare to say some thunder 149's? Loved my old CSX's save for the bushing issue and would wanna try theeve out again.
Noticeably better. That was why I made the same switch from thunders to theeves in the first place. It's a much "beefier" grind in my opinion
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anyone else riding the v3's notice that the top washer is digging into the hanger? i guess it's to do with the yoke.
Noticed this on my own trucks but I didn't really think itd hinder performance or durability so I didn't pay it any mind. Does it fuck with your trucks after a while or is it purely cosmetic?
never messed mine up, if it bothers you, you can always take the washers out- I took the bottom one out because I like mine loose and the nut wouldn't grab enough thread of the titanium kingpins(which is noticeably shorter than the steel ones)
nah it doesnt really bother me just something I noticed. I know what you mean by the replacement kingpin tho. Mine was kind of short when i first put it on so i just took off the hanger & bushings, then pulled up and held the kingpin as i put everything back on. Seems to be pretty much the same height as they were stock. i mean its barely that much taller but it does give you just a tad bit more thread to put the nut on.
even tho its not a big deal, i was thinking they could probably get rid of the washer digging into the truck by using regular old-fashion washers instead of "skateboard truck" washers. Like, they could just get a thin flat ring that covers & sits flush with the yellow part of the bones bushings. probably not something thats TOO much of an improvement but I guess for some people it could help. might even make turning a tad bit sharper too.
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anyone else riding the v3's notice that the top washer is digging into the hanger? i guess it's to do with the yoke.
Take the top washer off. You don't need it.
I've been riding all my trucks washerless for a long while now, and I have not gone through any bushings period.
No top washer makes for the best, smoothest turn. If you think you'll crack the bushing or someone tells you that doing that cracks the bushing I got 2 things to say to that, 1 - they are riding their trucks too tight and 2 - loosen your fuckin trucks.
...and maybe 3 - lose weight. Skating "tight as a 10 year old" trucks when using some high end trucks or great bushings like Bones is just a waste of a good turn. If someone wanted tight trucks and that barely turning feel, use the trucks that excel at that, Tensors.
But even Bones in them w/ no washer would save the day!
Good luck!
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fucked up my baseplate/pivot cup today skating this oversized stairset. I was trying to back 180 ollie north it and basically i landed and shot out into this nearby parking block (the really low ones) and when I went to check out my board, the entire hanger was swung around on the opposite side, with the metal on the pivot cup bent out of shape. I unscrewed the hanger & put it back in and continued to skate the set. it was my last session in my hometown before moving, so I wasnt gonna go out on some fluke shit, especially when tryna get this trick. anyways, several tries later i land the exact same way, my board hits the parking block, and it happens AGAIN only this time the actual pivot cup came out of its socket. again, i put on my hanger again and continue to skate the set, eventually landing it after a long, strung-out gap battle in 91 degree weather. my truck pretty much felt the same and remained as stable as ever, but i dont like the idea of skating on this shit for too long. i would probably try to just send it in but im hitting the road to move on monday & will be doing that for a few days so ill probably just end up getting some new trucks at Cowtown in AZ. I've tried all the "big" brands except indy's so im lookin at those hollow stage 11's. anyone have any experience with those? anyways, here's what my baseplate looks like. i tried to hammer it back in after taking this pic but that didnt really do anything.
(http://oi40.tinypic.com/29xdov8.jpg)
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Go with the new Mini Logo trucks...they are secretly the best trucks out there...I'm 1000% serious.
Try them and you will know.
Read some reviews. They are only branded ML to give people the chance to get good trucks at a value.
Best standard truck on the market. I've skated them all, over 2 and half decades of em.
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damn that's pretty crazy, will. I think my knees would give out before my trucks. been riding the v3's for a few days now and I'm lovin em. Going to try and ride em without washers today.
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i'm kinda surprised they don't do a 100% titanium baseplate. seems like that would have been the more obvious move, even over the hangar.
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I had the titanium tsx and traded them to a friend for indys. Something about them just wasn't right about them
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no idea which version, but if anyone wants some cheap (gently used 2-3 times) Theeve TIAX 5.85 (from 2011) to skate or for parts, check out http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=72826.0 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=72826.0)
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I was a thunder 149er for life. Still am.
BUT my homie at Antics hooked me up with some Theeves of the same size and god damm they are a good truck!!! Super good and would definitely buy a set if I had to.
Shame it's all Trevor Wards deal now and will probably go to shit.
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i'm kinda surprised they don't do a 100% titanium baseplate. seems like that would have been the more obvious move, even over the hangar.
I assumed they were but yeah....they aren't....started doing nose slides again and I'm surprised on the wear up against the mounting holes....
Saw they have a hollow baseplate Tih but I suspect it's not titanium...
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are all theeve truck hangers titanium?
speaking of titanium; the thunder and independent titanium ones - are they just titanium axels or is the actual hanger made from titanium as well ?
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are all theeve truck hangers titanium?
I believe the hangers are made from a titanium alloy, with the tiax having titanium axels & tikings have titanium axels AND hollow titanium kingpins. the TiH hanger is made entirely of titanium with the "axel" just being like 2 separate rods coming out of the sides instead of one whole axel going thru the hanger. thats why they say it totally removes the chance of axel slip in their marketing.
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anyone ride the low theeves? I want to give theeve a go but the height difference between the regular theeves and my 147 hi thunder light scare the shit out of me...
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are all theeve truck hangers titanium?
speaking of titanium; the thunder and independent titanium ones - are they just titanium axels or is the actual hanger made from titanium as well ?
theeve hangers are titanium/aluminum alloy, thunder and indy hangers are not.
anyone ride the low theeves? I want to give theeve a go but the height difference between the regular theeves and my 147 hi thunder light scare the shit out of me...
I'm also very anxious to try the lows
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anyone ride the low theeves? I want to give theeve a go but the height difference between the regular theeves and my 147 hi thunder light scare the shit out of me...
Theeve Hi's are 51mm high, lower than Indy's(54.5mm) and higher than Thunder Hi(49mm).
Theeve Lo's are 47.5mm, same as Venture low's, but 1.5mm lower than Thunder Hi's.
The choice is your's. If you're going to ride anything larger than a 52mm wheel, just go for the hi's.
You might just like it.
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The height from the Theeve FAQ on their website says different (and can be found in the original post of this thread).
Highs are 55mm tall at centre of the axle.
Lows are 49.5mm tall at the centre of the axle.
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The height from the Theeve FAQ on their website says different (and can be found in the original post of this thread).
Highs are 55mm tall at centre of the axle.
Lows are 49.5mm tall at the centre of the axle.
Trust me. A ruler don't lie.
Measure the the center of the axle from the table in mm. You'll see.
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My V3 HIs measured 52.5 mm - no washers
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Interesting, were they Ti-Ax or CSX?
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Interesting, were they Ti-Ax or CSX?
they're TiAX that got turned into tiKings (theeve was nice enough to press them in for me and just threw the tiax v3 hanger on there)
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Interesting, were they Ti-Ax or CSX?
Well that was awfully nice of them, good for you dude.
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Well that was awfully nice of them, good for you dude.
yeah Theeve's customer service is definitely on point. Sent em an email today about my fucked up baseplate and they're sending me a new one and some stickers. ive been skating some ventures in the meantime and they're cool I guess but i dunno... i feel like I was able to grind better with theeves for whatever reason. either way im stoked to skate my old trucks again! lol they weren't even all that old but still...i got it the fuck in with those things for the couple months I was skating em.
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I don't really know how to explain this, but the pivot cups of my thunders have blown out, there's no rubber left... at all. The trucks are super wobbly turning and even grinding. If I can't find an easy way to replace pivot cups I'll get some theeves, just have a quick question about the lows; whats the kingpin clearance like on the V3's? I prefer a lower truck normally but having your kingpin constantly catch on dipped grinds can suck.
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I don't really know how to explain this, but the pivot cups of my thunders have blown out, there's no rubber left... at all. The trucks are super wobbly turning and even grinding. If I can't find an easy way to replace pivot cups I'll get some theeves, just have a quick question about the lows; whats the kingpin clearance like on the V3's? I prefer a lower truck normally but having your kingpin constantly catch on dipped grinds can suck.
If you have 20 minutes...
This...
(http://calibertruckco.com/content/uploads/Hardware_Pivot_Cups.jpg)
+ This...
(http://www.needlenosepliers.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/needlenose.jpg)
Should leave you 18 minutes to spend preparing/enjoying this...
(http://dailyyeah.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/sextoyspumpkin22.jpg)
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I don't really know how to explain this, but the pivot cups of my thunders have blown out, there's no rubber left... at all. The trucks are super wobbly turning and even grinding. If I can't find an easy way to replace pivot cups I'll get some theeves, just have a quick question about the lows; whats the kingpin clearance like on the V3's? I prefer a lower truck normally but having your kingpin constantly catch on dipped grinds can suck.
Dude, really, come on!
They're simple cheap and most of them are universal in all our standard trucks.
Just pick a hardness and get em!
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=722 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=722)
Buying new trucks because you need pivot cups in your old trucks is like not being able to get your grandmother into your van because there's a step up, so you go out and by a low car instead of buying a step stool.
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the kingpin clearance is normally 5mm+ in the normal theeves, the lows are prob 2mm
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I don't really know how to explain this, but the pivot cups of my thunders have blown out, there's no rubber left... at all. The trucks are super wobbly turning and even grinding. If I can't find an easy way to replace pivot cups I'll get some theeves, just have a quick question about the lows; whats the kingpin clearance like on the V3's? I prefer a lower truck normally but having your kingpin constantly catch on dipped grinds can suck.
Dude, really, come on!
They're simple cheap and most of them are universal in all our standard trucks.
Just pick a hardness and get em!
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=722 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=722)
Buying new trucks because you need pivot cups in your old trucks is like not being able to get your grandmother into your van because there's a step up, so you go out and by a low car instead of buying a step stool.
I've never actually tried aftermarket pivot cups, is it a big difference, been thinking bout getting hard khiro pivot cups.
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I don't really know how to explain this, but the pivot cups of my thunders have blown out, there's no rubber left... at all. The trucks are super wobbly turning and even grinding. If I can't find an easy way to replace pivot cups I'll get some theeves, just have a quick question about the lows; whats the kingpin clearance like on the V3's? I prefer a lower truck normally but having your kingpin constantly catch on dipped grinds can suck.
Dude, really, come on!
They're simple cheap and most of them are universal in all our standard trucks.
Just pick a hardness and get em!
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=722 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=722)
Buying new trucks because you need pivot cups in your old trucks is like not being able to get your grandmother into your van because there's a step up, so you go out and by a low car instead of buying a step stool.
I've never actually tried aftermarket pivot cups, is it a big difference, been thinking bout getting hard khiro pivot cups.
Yes, get them, they are an improvement above stock pivot cups on most trucks.
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I prefer the soft pivot cups, the hard ones made the turning on my theeves less responsive than I'm used to
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Soft sorta dampens the quickness of a turn, I guess you could say, most Indy type riders like that as they always have them stock.
It's actually harder to find soft readily available after market pivot cups than hard ones these days without having to place an order online.
Just found out that the Indy aftermarket ones are NOT the stock ones, they are the hard type you see everywhere, I found this out when I ordered some from SoCal and got them and was like "wtf are these"?.
They told me that's what NHS sells as the "genuine" replacement part and that they are a better grade pivot cup than the stock ones.
Weird as they are 2 very different things - hard and soft, better or not. Indy's have always had soft stock cups so hard ones will make em turn say, I dunno, less Indy?
Oh well, I'll find this out soon.
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I think the soft ones I put in my theeves are the ACE stock pivot cups