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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: sluggers on February 23, 2015, 07:48:36 AM
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http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silicon-valley-thinks-can-learn-skater-culture-terrible-idea/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silicon-valley-thinks-can-learn-skater-culture-terrible-idea/)
She obviously has no clue about how women are actually thriving in skateboarding.
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and youre giving her more hit$
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Horse skitching?
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Horse skitching?
I didn't read the article but immediately saved that after clicking on the link.
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She is probably a lesbian.
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http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silicon-valley-thinks-can-learn-skater-culture-terrible-idea/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silicon-valley-thinks-can-learn-skater-culture-terrible-idea/)
She obviously has no clue about how women are actually thriving in skateboarding.
She doesn't get it?
"The good news is, there finally are some bright spots for women in skate culture, including a small but powerful resurgence of women skaters. And there are some badass women pushing forward in “real” skating despite tremendous odds and an environment that treats the most skillful of them as statistical anomalies at best. "
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I think a big part of her argument falls apart when you think about all of the men that were exiled from skateboarding when freestyle and flat landing died. She conveniently leaves them out.
From her article I learned that Rodney is comparing skateboard tricks to pieces of free software in this way: if skaters can push skateboarding forward by inventing tricks and then building off of them, then Silicon Valley can progress by having a giant free software community build off of itself. This also has nothing to do with sexism. If a female created a new skateboard trick that became trendy or wrote a piece of software that became useful, that would still be a major and welcome contribution from a woman.
On top of that the article has typos. Rodney Mullen is referred to as Randy, and enjoi is called enoji at one point.
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What the fuck was the point of her writing this? Rodney did a TedTalk? Sound the fucking alarms, we're coming for you Melissa Meyers. I see these tech dorks riding scooters and I swear, unicycles, more than skateboards.
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While I didn't like the way she made it, she has a point. Women had a more central role in skateboarding back in her day and that definitely dwindled through the 80s and 90s. Yes, there are a few women doing OK in skateboarding again and some female focused companies now but its obvious we have a long way to go to even regain ground women in skateboarding had in the 70s.
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She is probably an lesbian.
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like the truly skilled men aren't statistical anomalies in the grand scheme of things. how many pro's/rippers are there compared to the total number of skaters out there?
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She is probably an lesbian.
she dykin!
Lil Boosie- They Dykin Lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MZaiRNDxFc#)
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like the truly skilled men aren't statistical anomalies in the grand scheme of things. how many pro's/rippers are there compared to the total number of skaters out there?
I am the 99.998%.
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She is probably an lesbian.
Lil Boosie- They Dykin Lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MZaiRNDxFc#)
Thank you
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While I didn't like the way she made it, she has a point. Women had a more central role in skateboarding back in her day and that definitely dwindled through the 80s and 90s. Yes, there are a few women doing OK in skateboarding again and some female focused companies now but its obvious we have a long way to go to even regain ground women in skateboarding had in the 70s.
This pretty much. But again, I'm not sure why this was worth an article? The gender disparity and sexism rampant in the tech world is well-known and Rodney's talk wasn't about that and he wasn't claiming that skating is a meritocracy either (anyone who skates knows that is just not true). This just seemed like an article about how two subcultures both share the same problems of sexism and gender disparity and wasn't even very timely, seeing has how Rodney's talk is a few years old at this point. It's a tenuous connection that could be made between the tech world and all sorts of areas (heavy metal and punk subcultures are male dominated, professional athletics have huge disparities in terms of regard and importance when it comes to gender).
So yeah, not an inaccurate article, just a potentially unnecessary and slightly puzzling one.
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"You rarely see these women featured in skateboard magazines, and when you do, the highest praise is typically "She skates like a man!"
I challenge the author to find one time this has ever been said in a magazine or publication or in real life anywhere.
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Horse skitching?
I just quit skateboarding for this its a way better lifestyle. Fuck you fags. I found something better I'm gonna break out my CCS mountain board set up from 98 with ATV tires and break into a horse breeder's ranch and get me a mare who can get my top speeds up to what a scooter is. Then I'm gonna build dirt jumps and blow off m80's while I do wake boarding tricks on land because I got the horsepower while you losers have to push. #eatyourcollegemoneywhileigetextremeforyoutube
also... who care's what a woman's take is on skateboarding she should be residing in the missionary or doggy style position to receive the dingus perhaps if it can hit her brain at least once or twice she might start thinking right.
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While I didn't like the way she made it, she has a point. Women had a more central role in skateboarding back in her day and that definitely dwindled through the 80s and 90s. Yes, there are a few women doing OK in skateboarding again and some female focused companies now but its obvious we have a long way to go to even regain ground women in skateboarding had in the 70s.
This pretty much. But again, I'm not sure why this was worth an article? The gender disparity and sexism rampant in the tech world is well-known and Rodney's talk wasn't about that and he wasn't claiming that skating is a meritocracy either (anyone who skates knows that is just not true). This just seemed like an article about how two subcultures both share the same problems of sexism and gender disparity and wasn't even very timely, seeing has how Rodney's talk is a few years old at this point. It's a tenuous connection that could be made between the tech world and all sorts of areas (heavy metal and punk subcultures are male dominated, professional athletics have huge disparities in terms of regard and importance when it comes to gender).
So yeah, not an inaccurate article, just a potentially unnecessary and slightly puzzling one.
it is an absolutely inaccurate article!
as another poster pointed out, she blamed the end of her skating career on sexism, rather than the fact that freestyle died. then she readily admits that she hasn't paid attention to skateboarding for 30 fucking years but acts like she knows the ins and outs of the current state of the culture after she searched google to cherry pick things that confirmed her bias.
why aren't women as prevalent in skating as men? simply boils down to a numbers game. far more males try skateboarding than females....to quite an astounding degree. it's not some grand conspiracy designed by some evil male geniuses in a shady back room. it's that more men are interested in sports or s.t.e.m. or politics much in the same way that more women are interested in gymnastics or medicine or teaching.
and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Is this a joke? Lacey baker if she was a guy would be a horrible average skater yet she's pro. It is 100x easier for a girl to go pro then a guy.
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Wait, isn't there an entire youtube channel full of girl skateboarders?
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Wait, isn't there an entire youtube channel full of girl skateboarders?
yeah but if there were a 'boys skate network' then it'd be racist, right? yo, reverse discrimination.
but in sorta seriousness, there's some feminists who don't accept tranny broads as legit women. someone get nora vasco on the horn and see where the GSN draws the line. can mizzark be on their videos or do you hafta feel, do you hafta feel like a na-tu-ral woman?
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She forgot to mention that Gator murdered someone.....
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Gender issues aside, I hope that this article finally gives equestrian mountainboarders the respect that they deserve. In the end, we all put on our skateboarding leathers one pant leg at a time.
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Gender issues aside, I hope that this article finally gives equestrian mountainboarders the respect that they deserve. In the end, we all put on our skateboarding leathers one pant leg at a time.
I never take mine off. Never.
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does she mention that most popular type girls will shittalk the hell out of any girl that skates? not giving her any hits.
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Natural selection isn't gender biased so she can't blame sexism for her getting chopped down with the rest of the freestylers. Welcome has Nora Vasconcellos on their team and she actually deserves to be. Of course skateboarding can be sexist but really most female skateboarders simply just aren't good enough to be fully sponsored or in magazines. It's far more sexist to put a photo of a girl 50-50'ing an 8 stair rail in Thrasher because she's a girl. It's sexist and condescending. Hold women to the same standards as men if you gender equality in skating, when a woman does tricks good enough to get in the magazines, like Nora Vasconcellos, then let her in. Until then don't condescend and put a mediocre trick in simply because "well shes a girl."
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She has her points, but being incredibly out of touch and also admittedly biased/jaded from personal experience also skews things a bit. That photo at the end didn't help her case at all
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Natural selection isn't gender biased so she can't blame sexism for her getting chopped down with the rest of the freestylers. Welcome has Nora Vasconcellos on their team and she actually deserves to be. Of course skateboarding can be sexist but really most female skateboarders simply just aren't good enough to be fully sponsored or in magazines. It's far more sexist to put a photo of a girl 50-50'ing an 8 stair rail in Thrasher because she's a girl. It's sexist and condescending. Hold women to the same standards as men if you gender equality in skating, when a woman does tricks good enough to get in the magazines, like Nora Vasconcellos, then let her in. Until then don't condescend and put a mediocre trick in simply because "well shes a girl."
i like nora but she's the tranny equivalent of an 8 stair rail. i'm down for her and samara and all those girls but she's not in the same league as bob gnar or tom 'the rock' boyle or whoever skates vert so i don't think its a good comparison. she's rad for what she is but if she were a boy we wouldn't know who she is.
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Natural selection isn't gender biased so she can't blame sexism for her getting chopped down with the rest of the freestylers. Welcome has Nora Vasconcellos on their team and she actually deserves to be. Of course skateboarding can be sexist but really most female skateboarders simply just aren't good enough to be fully sponsored or in magazines. It's far more sexist to put a photo of a girl 50-50'ing an 8 stair rail in Thrasher because she's a girl. It's sexist and condescending. Hold women to the same standards as men if you gender equality in skating, when a woman does tricks good enough to get in the magazines, like Nora Vasconcellos, then let her in. Until then don't condescend and put a mediocre trick in simply because "well shes a girl."
Pretty true, I was trying to think of a female skater to try and say is on the same level to at least balance the scales somewhat but dammit youre right. It really is that hard to find a female skater on most male skaters level
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In the comments, the author mentions that her article is an opinion, therefore, it does not need to uphold journalist standards (as low as they may be). Of course, any major publication knows that opinions can only express feelings about subjective issues (i.e., "I like equestrian mountainboarding because____"). Don't they?
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In the comments, the author mentions that her article is an opinion, therefore, it does not need to uphold journalist standards (as low as they may be). Of course, any major publication knows that opinions can only express feelings about subjective issues (i.e., "I like equestrian mountainboarding because____"). Don't they?
you can say anything you want about skateboarding, who's gonna sue?
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Berta Lovejoy finally left the youtube comments section and got a job for Wired
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She really needs to pick a more worthy cause rather than skateboarding. Video games, tennis and cycling are closer to a gender balance in terms of participation levels, yet inequality still exists there.
What a revelation though... less females in an activity = less females showcased at the highest levels of an activity.
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Berta Lovejoy finally left the youtube comments section and got a job for Wired
She's a real gal on the go!
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In the comments, the author mentions that her article is an opinion, therefore, it does not need to uphold journalist standards (as low as they may be). Of course, any major publication knows that opinions can only express feelings about subjective issues (i.e., "I like equestrian mountainboarding because____"). Don't they?
Yeah, this cop-out was in response to a lengthy and excellent comment by MoFo.
"I think you make excellent points. Just want to point out this was an Opinion piece, running in the Opinion section, and not an article written by a journalist."
At least she knows it wasn't an "article" and that she's not a "journalist."
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Berta Lovejoy finally left the youtube comments section and got a job for Wired
She's a real gal on the go!
Is it true that the gay guys and lezbians don't like each other?
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Fuck you guys are depressing. This whole fucking thread is jock-mentality, white privilege in a nutshell.
Why are so many of you attacking the author for an op-Ed piece that's a perfectly valid viewpoint? Silicon Valley is full of dudes giving each other reach-arounds and raises, but you're screwed (figuratively) if you're a lady. So by trying to praise Rodney�who comes from a very similar culture�as a new savior, is frightening if you don't happen to be part of that group.
I don't get the ad hominem attacks. The author may be bummed she got broken off and lost her sponsors, but that doesn't explain why all the other female skaters quit. Unless dickheads like you scared them away... Which would validate her point that skaters aren't good spokespeople. Maybe you're afraid female skaters are going to get better than you and steal your last chance at ever being sponsored?
/shit stirring>
Fyi, this article is in response to this one, http://www.wired.com/2015/01/rodney-mullen/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/01/rodney-mullen/) posted a little over three weeks ago.
More fuel for the fire
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-women-tech-20150222-story.html#page=1 (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-women-tech-20150222-story.html#page=1)
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"You rarely see these women featured in skateboard magazines, and when you do, the highest praise is typically "She skates like a man!"
I challenge the author to find one time this has ever been said in a magazine or publication or in real life anywhere.
I think for about 95% of the times I've seen a female skater in my life, someone in my immediate vicinity has brought up the idea of whether she's hot, who of their friends is going to bang her first, and in the case of sponsored girls, insistence they could beat her in skate/do that trick/blah blah.
why aren't women as prevalent in skating as men? simply boils down to a numbers game. far more males try skateboarding than females....to quite an astounding degree. it's not some grand conspiracy designed by some evil male geniuses in a shady back room. it's that more men are interested in sports or s.t.e.m. or politics much in the same way that more women are interested in gymnastics or medicine or teaching.
and there's nothing wrong with that.
It's not that simple. You're correct that it's not a conspiracy. It's rather a LONGtime cultural setup that, in general, doesn't encourage girls to do much of anything besides be pretty. It's a lot more complicated than that, but you get the idea.
It's far more sexist to put a photo of a girl 50-50'ing an 8 stair rail in Thrasher because she's a girl. It's sexist and condescending. Hold women to the same standards as men if you gender equality in skating, when a woman does tricks good enough to get in the magazines, like Nora Vasconcellos, then let her in. Until then don't condescend and put a mediocre trick in simply because "well shes a girl."
Come on dude. When the mantra of SLAP is essentially "I'd rather watch ____ push down the sidewalk than ____ nollie hardflip a 69 stair," I think it's pretty silly when people complain that a girl isn't good enough rather than just get hyped on dope shit happening.
If you ask me, the problem is not enough girls being encouraged to skate, and all those little (and plenty large) bits of discouragement add up against that. If a pro female isn't doing stuff up to snuff of Alec Majerus or whatever, but gets new girls stoked to skate, then who cares?
And I agree with the general sentiment that the points she has are pretty muddled in a disjointed argument made by somebody who is out of touch.
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anyone else notice they changed the name of the article?
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"She does not have ... girl skater ahhss"
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This is like bashing the NBA for nobody giving a shit about the WNBA. It comes down to skill. But she also blames the "evil male-oriented marketing" of the industry she also admits to not follow. She honestly expects skateboarding to market towards the .5% of it's population who are female? Great business strategy.
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"You rarely see these women featured in skateboard magazines, and when you do, the highest praise is typically "She skates like a man!"
I challenge the author to find one time this has ever been said in a magazine or publication or in real life anywhere.
I think for about 95% of the times I've seen a female skater in my life, someone in my immediate vicinity has brought up the idea of whether she's hot, who of their friends is going to bang her first, and in the case of sponsored girls, insistence they could beat her in skate/do that trick/blah blah.
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why aren't women as prevalent in skating as men? simply boils down to a numbers game. far more males try skateboarding than females....to quite an astounding degree. it's not some grand conspiracy designed by some evil male geniuses in a shady back room. it's that more men are interested in sports or s.t.e.m. or politics much in the same way that more women are interested in gymnastics or medicine or teaching.
and there's nothing wrong with that.
It's not that simple. You're correct that it's not a conspiracy. It's rather a LONGtime cultural setup that, in general, doesn't encourage girls to do much of anything besides be pretty. It's a lot more complicated than that, but you get the idea.
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It's far more sexist to put a photo of a girl 50-50'ing an 8 stair rail in Thrasher because she's a girl. It's sexist and condescending. Hold women to the same standards as men if you gender equality in skating, when a woman does tricks good enough to get in the magazines, like Nora Vasconcellos, then let her in. Until then don't condescend and put a mediocre trick in simply because "well shes a girl."
Come on dude. When the mantra of SLAP is essentially "I'd rather watch ____ push down the sidewalk than ____ nollie hardflip a 69 stair," I think it's pretty silly when people complain that a girl isn't good enough rather than just get hyped on dope shit happening.
If you ask me, the problem is not enough girls being encouraged to skate, and all those little (and plenty large) bits of discouragement add up against that. If a pro female isn't doing stuff up to snuff of Alec Majerus or whatever, but gets new girls stoked to skate, then who cares?
And I agree with the general sentiment that the points she has are pretty muddled in a disjointed argument made by somebody who is out of touch.
You're implying that the majority of the skate community is not supportive/hyped on the female skate community, which simply isn't true in my experience. People on here are complaining because the author, with her jaded, out of touch views of the skate industry, honestly expects skateboarding to spend it's money marketing to a minuscule demographic and creating some psychological urge for females to pick up skating as a hobby. Has it ever occured to you that some segments of the population just aren't interested in certain things? It's not the industry's problem to figure out why.
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Is horse boarding real?
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Is horse boarding real?
Horseboarding will be 2015s high waters.
I heard dylans already filming a full black and white horse boarding part.... most of it is just him sensually combing the horses mane though...
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so real! it came from horse surfing.
Horse Skim Boarding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Itoy9zwcTo#)
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why aren't women as prevalent in skating as men? simply boils down to a numbers game. far more males try skateboarding than females....to quite an astounding degree. it's not some grand conspiracy designed by some evil male geniuses in a shady back room. it's that more men are interested in sports or s.t.e.m. or politics much in the same way that more women are interested in gymnastics or medicine or teaching.
and there's nothing wrong with that.
It's not that simple. You're correct that it's not a conspiracy. It's rather a LONGtime cultural setup that, in general, doesn't encourage girls to do much of anything besides be pretty. It's a lot more complicated than that, but you get the idea.
i agree with the 'cultural set up' point; it does hold great influence. but if this were a perfect world and those pressures and expectations didn't exist, do you honestly think there would be as many female skaters as male? i highly doubt it. the amount of interest in sports or athletics or whatever, is, quite simply, much higher with men. it's almost universal, in fact. whereas only a segment of the female populace seem to be drawn to it. i would wager that this uneven level of interest has more to do with hormones than cultural expectations, despite the role that does indeed play.
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Way too many "I'm not a sexist, but..." type posts in this thread.
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so real! it came from horse surfing.
Horse Skim Boarding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Itoy9zwcTo#)
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Horseboarding will be 2015s high waters.
I heard dylans already filming a full black and white horse boarding part.... most of it is just him sensually combing the horses mane though...
Oh man, thats gonna be video part of the year. Don't forget about the naked chicks on the side while he his horseboarding
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Is horse boarding real?
Psssshhhh how is that even a question?
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Some girls can skate but I personally believe that skateboarding is not for girls at all. Not one bit.
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Come on dude. When the mantra of SLAP is essentially "I'd rather watch ____ push down the sidewalk than ____ nollie hardflip a 69 stair," I think it's pretty silly when people complain that a girl isn't good enough rather than just get hyped on dope shit happening.
If you ask me, the problem is not enough girls being encouraged to skate, and all those little (and plenty large) bits of discouragement add up against that. If a pro female isn't doing stuff up to snuff of Alec Majerus or whatever, but gets new girls stoked to skate, then who cares?
And I agree with the general sentiment that the points she has are pretty muddled in a disjointed argument made by somebody who is out of touch.
That's completely understandable. My main point that I failed to get across was that I wouldn't want a female skater in a magazine doing something that would never have gotten in if it was a male skater with the excuse of "oh well she's a girl so it's understandable she cant be as good as a guy" because that's just degrading you know? I didn't mean to give the impression of "girls need to be as good as our top pros" but I do believe any female skater has the potential to be just as good if not better than male skaters. I just think we have to be careful to not give women coverage in a condescending manner. Sort of like being subconsciously sexist. But girls do need more female role models n skating. And of course skating will never be purely about difficulty level or else it'd be a sport. And fuck that.
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i dont care about the article but i remember in villa villa cola this chick alex had a section with the biggest ass and biggest titties!! YAHOOOO!!!
I took a five hour train ride once and loaded my phone with skate videos to watch without really checking some of them out. None of them were the right format to play except Villa Villa Cola, which I didn't know was a all girl skate video. I was so bummed, and watched it twice out of sheer boredom. I do remember that chick she had like a thick short girls body which there is nothin wrong with.
Nora is rad because she has a sick trick selection, and has a great style. I'd rather watch her skate that Sean Pablo or of a bunch of other dudes. And yeah shes hot too and wears lil tight shorts.
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Fuck you guys are depressing. This whole fucking thread is jock-mentality, white privilege in a nutshell.
Why are so many of you attacking the author for an op-Ed piece that's a perfectly valid viewpoint? Silicon Valley is full of dudes giving each other reach-arounds and raises, but you're screwed (figuratively) if you're a lady. So by trying to praise Rodney�who comes from a very similar culture�as a new savior, is frightening if you don't happen to be part of that group.
I don't get the ad hominem attacks. The author may be bummed she got broken off and lost her sponsors, but that doesn't explain why all the other female skaters quit. Unless dickheads like you scared them away... Which would validate her point that skaters aren't good spokespeople. Maybe you're afraid female skaters are going to get better than you and steal your last chance at ever being sponsored?
/shit stirring>
Fyi, this article is in response to this one, http://www.wired.com/2015/01/rodney-mullen/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/01/rodney-mullen/) posted a little over three weeks ago.
I suppose there's some shred of subculture left in skateboarding that its adherents are still willing to defend.
It is a valid viewpoint, but she's asking the wrong questions. During the '70s heyday of skateboarding, most of its 20 million participants (including freestylers) frequented skateparks. In 1983, when the author quit, there were fewer than five parks in the entire United States. Skateboarding retreated into backyard ramps, pools, and the streets. All involving varying degrees of illegality that would persist for the next two decades. Are women not as willing to commit minor infractions in order to skate? The author should ask herself since she quit.
And does Hubba represent skateboarding? I've not even seen the product for the last few years. What kid would get off on Hubba when the internet is full of good porn? Enjoi (enoji?), on the other hand is much more complex as it's entirely satirical. Is it hipster sexism or does it recall old World Industries era/late Soviet stoib? Now that Nike owns skateboarding, the author should ask Tinker Hatfield if he incorporated testosterone vapor into those airbags. That may explain Koston's recent behavior.
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"You rarely see these women featured in skateboard magazines, and when you do, the highest praise is typically "She skates like a man!"
I challenge the author to find one time this has ever been said in a magazine or publication or in real life anywhere.
I think for about 95% of the times I've seen a female skater in my life, someone in my immediate vicinity has brought up the idea of whether she's hot, who of their friends is going to bang her first, and in the case of sponsored girls, insistence they could beat her in skate/do that trick/blah blah.
I've had guys (mostly teenage boys a decade younger than me) openly discuss my body or whether or not they'd "bang" me. Right within ear shot. It's incredibly awkward.
But the biggest issue facing female skateboarding is other females. I've gotten a plethora of negative reactions and mocked by random women on the street way more than any of my male skate pals. Lesbians on the other hand love me, I'd be swimming in snatch if only I was down with the beaver. :-*
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Way too many "I'm not a sexist, but..." type posts in this thread.
i'm never surprised but it always bums me out
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Way too many "I'm not a sexist, but..." type posts in this thread.
...no. this article was written very poorly and not much critical thinking went into it. a lot of people have made good points here.
edit: pretty hilarious that 3 people now have claimed that this thread is mainly full of misogynistic comments. i just read through every post carefully, and this is definitely not the case.
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A well-written piece and a surprisingly insightful view of modern skate culture coming from an outsider. I wonder what her snatch looks like
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"You rarely see these women featured in skateboard magazines, and when you do, the highest praise is typically "She skates like a man!"
I challenge the author to find one time this has ever been said in a magazine or publication or in real life anywhere.
I think for about 95% of the times I've seen a female skater in my life, someone in my immediate vicinity has brought up the idea of whether she's hot, who of their friends is going to bang her first, and in the case of sponsored girls, insistence they could beat her in skate/do that trick/blah blah.
I've had guys (mostly teenage boys a decade younger than me) openly discuss my body or whether or not they'd "bang" me. Right within ear shot. It's incredibly awkward.
But the biggest issue facing female skateboarding is other females. I've gotten a plethora of negative reactions and mocked by random women on the street way more than any of my male skate pals. Lesbians on the other hand love me, I'd be swimming in snatch if only I was down with the beaver. :-*
Your last sentence made me simultaneously giggle and retch. You're the best Tay.
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"You rarely see these women featured in skateboard magazines, and when you do, the highest praise is typically "She skates like a man!"
I challenge the author to find one time this has ever been said in a magazine or publication or in real life anywhere.
I think for about 95% of the times I've seen a female skater in my life, someone in my immediate vicinity has brought up the idea of whether she's hot, who of their friends is going to bang her first, and in the case of sponsored girls, insistence they could beat her in skate/do that trick/blah blah.
I've had guys (mostly teenage boys a decade younger than me) openly discuss my body or whether or not they'd "bang" me. Right within ear shot. It's incredibly awkward.
But the biggest issue facing female skateboarding is other females. I've gotten a plethora of negative reactions and mocked by random women on the street way more than any of my male skate pals. Lesbians on the other hand love me, I'd be swimming in snatch if only I was down with the beaver. :-*
Your last sentence made me simultaneously giggle and retch. You're the best Tay.
You're the person who inspired me to start skating again when I was lurking this forum two years ago. You motivated me to get out there, instead of being a depressed shut-in. I love you Gay. <3!
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Tay on gay axion
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You're implying that the majority of the skate community is not supportive/hyped on the female skate community, which simply isn't true in my experience. People on here are complaining because the author, with her jaded, out of touch views of the skate industry, honestly expects skateboarding to spend it's money marketing to a minuscule demographic and creating some psychological urge for females to pick up skating as a hobby. Has it ever occured to you that some segments of the population just aren't interested in certain things? It's not the industry's problem to figure out why.
Think of it like a small SLAP-approved company/pro/shoe/etc. The board is overwhelmed with people who are "backing it," or would "buy a ____ pro model," and whatnot. Catalogs come out and they say "cool graphics," then nobody buys them. By some weird stroke of luck, a big company names a perma-am pro and nobody buys his board. Similar thing. People say, "yeah cool girl skaters," but don't do anything to minimize those barriers of entry. Emotional support amounts to nothing if you don't do anything about it.
BTdubz I don't know what planet you guys are on where you don't see sexist shit left and right in skateboarding all the time. Including this thread.
Sorry to derail things. Yes the article is still pretty dumb. Mofo's comment on it if you scroll past the article is worth a read, if you haven't seen it yet.
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Think of it like a small SLAP-approved company/pro/shoe/etc. The board is overwhelmed with people who are "backing it," or would "buy a ____ pro model," and whatnot. Catalogs come out and they say "cool graphics," then nobody buys them. By some weird stroke of luck, a big company names a perma-am pro and nobody buys his board. Similar thing. People say, "yeah cool girl skaters," but don't do anything to minimize those barriers of entry. Emotional support amounts to nothing if you don't do anything about it.
BTdubz I don't know what planet you guys are on where you don't see sexist shit left and right in skateboarding all the time. Including this thread.
Sorry to derail things. Yes the article is still pretty dumb. Mofo's comment on it if you scroll past the article is worth a read, if you haven't seen it yet.
Other than be supportive, what are we supposed to do? We can't get kids to stop using gay in a derogative way and calling each other faggots. Shit every skatepark in the states now has a group of white kids calling themselves niggas now, can you imagine how hard it'll be to get some 14 year old to not say he'd bone Tay outloud???
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bobby peru, you arent asking people to change their buying habits right?
i dont see any way to help girls skate other than being cool if you end up skating with them.
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Other than be supportive, what are we supposed to do?
You didn't see the agreement you signed to on slap when you made a account? If you didn't plan to use your slap status to change the world then get the fuck out.
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Oh yeah it's a hell of a road to get there. No argument there. As far as small simple solutions go, stop being a dick and speak up against people being dicks, sponsor/cover girl skaters more.
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Way too many "I'm not a sexist, but..." type posts in this thread.
edit: pretty hilarious that 3 people now have claimed that this thread is mainly full of misogynistic comments. i just read through every post carefully, and this is definitely not the case.
I hear you. The first page was pretty lame and didn't give any indication that it was going to get better. Page 2 however, was more balanced.
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There are two aspects to this thing, which I guess you could refer to as the personal and the political. With "personal," I mean that we, as dudes, could all encourage more girls/women/womyn to skate and be supportive when they're at the session/park/whatever, and do our best to not objectify them and simply treat them as another skateboarder enjoying the thing that us dudes enjoy. That's the easier part (getting a million skatepark idiots to stop saying "faggot," "gay," or "nigger" is another story).
The more difficult thing is to address the "political" aspect of inequality in skateboarding, and to be fair I'm not even sure there IS a way to address this. Sure, really, truly, exceptionally talented lady skaters will appear from time to time (and, to be honest, maybe more so now than at any time since the 70s) and get the coverage they deserve; I'm thinking Elissa, Jaime Reyes, Nora and Lizzie, Laeticia Bufoni, Amy Caron, Vanessa Torres, and those little girls that Tony Mag hangs out with who can do 540s. But they really are the anomaly as far as "talent" goes. This might come off as misogynist, but I what I mean is that there is an objective disparity in the talent pool between male and female in very many physical activities. I dare you to dispute this. It's not fair, it's not cool, but gender dimorphism is real and the fact remains that, on average, dudes will be more physically capable (on AVERAGE, not always) than ladies. And if skateboard magazines want to highlight the best skateboarding that's going on in the world, the majority of the time it will be done by dudes. Women are of course capable of ripping and of getting well deserved coverage, but when someone demands diversity in coverage in skate mags (or for that matter wonders why more female skateboarders aren't being heralded in Rodney's TED talk as "innovators") just to ensure that both genders are represented more equitably, then you've got an affirmative action scenario on your hands, which makes things even stickier.
I doubt there's an easy solution to this, but I skate with several ladies and they're fucking awesome human beings who genuinely love skating every bit as much as I do and I see them as skaters/friends more than as ladies. Although they'd probably be the first ones to admit, objectively, that they're not quite as good as the dudes. Fuck it. Shut up and skate.
Also, I like boobs.
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Mofo's comment on it if you scroll past the article is worth a read, if you haven't seen it yet.
I just got sucked into reading the comment section for a good hour. Not worth it. I did get some good material for the Libtard thread though.
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that part is incredible ^
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url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p44TIA0Dlvk#]Marisa Dal Santo - Zero Strange World HD[/url]
Damn Marisa was super good, one of the coolest ones in Strange World. Any idea whatever happened to her? She just kinda seemed to fade out without any notice. Her and Elissa both kill it
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she was tight, everyone was tripping on that part when strange world came out.
i think shewas on LE flow for a bit but not 100 percent sure
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The only good thing about this article is that it led me to this image...
(http://skately.com/img/library/print/large/bitch-skateboards-good-morning-girls-1993.jpg)
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You should read the article that her opinion piece is a reply to. It is good.
"When doctors declared themselves stymied by his injury, Mullen elected to engage in a painful form of self-treatment: He pummeled his leg with wrenches and knife handles in an attempt to break up the scar tissue that was strangling his bones. The process was so agonizing that Mullen often had to drive out to remote areas so that no one could hear his screams. He kept at it because it yielded results, albeit slowly—Mullen knew that it would take him several years to get back to full health."
http://www.wired.com/2015/01/rodney-mullen/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/01/rodney-mullen/)
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Wait, isn't there an entire youtube channel full of girl skateboarders?
but in sorta seriousness, there's some feminists who don't accept tranny broads as legit women. someone get nora vasco on the horn and see where the GSN draws the line. can mizzark be on their videos or do you hafta feel, do you hafta feel like a na-tu-ral woman?
Can we not say "tranny broads"? Thanks.