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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Gunner Down on April 05, 2016, 07:32:08 AM
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Hey Slap Pals,
Over here at Element, Plan B & Hard Luck we're working on shape cards for our boards. We've done it in the past with our shapes 1-20 and are working on updating them with new shapes and expanding to almost 50 shapes (different factories, wheel base, technology..etc). We've been talking with local shops but wanted to get some input from you guys.
Right now the shape cards give full detail of the board (width, length, wheelbase, nose, tail, technology, factory) Would you rather have all that information or just width and wheelbase?
Any input is welcome.
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Hey Slap Pals,
Over here at Element, Plan B & Hard Luck we're working on shape cards for our boards. We've done it in the past with our shapes 1-20 and are working on updating them with new shapes and expanding to almost 50 shapes (different factories, wheel base, technology..etc). We've been talking with local shops but wanted to get some input from you guys.
Right now the shape cards give full detail of the board (width, length, wheelbase, nose, tail, technology, factory) Would you rather have all that information or just width and wheelbase?
Any input is welcome.
THANK YOU for doing this. It's been discussed dozens of times here that all companies should do this or something similar. I'm pretty sure most of us would want the full detail. Also important would be to have a shape chart somewhere online and ask retailers to include the shape number if they are an online retailer
I still can't believe everyone doesn't already do this. It seems like it would only help with sales
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All the info.
Thank you!
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The more information the better. If information is unavailable, I search for it online and if I can't find it, I don't buy the board because I don't like gambling my money like that.
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Thanks for the input! What factory do you guys think is the best? PS Stix, PGI, Bear Back or something else? The more info you give me the better we can do.
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The more information the better.
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All the info is great....but it would be sick if it even became standard practice to stamp width, length, w/b, nose and tail on each deck.
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The more info the better, especially with:
- Accurate measurements - tell us how you measure, across the top/edge to edge, with or without contour, etc.
- Wheel base, again, center of holes or edge
- Shape Chart
- Concave depth: Mellow/Medium/deep
- Tail and nose I can live without, we all know tails are shorter these days with bigger noses
- Woodshop
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That will be awesome, specially for me because I buy everything online and I can't go asking the shops about the shape, wheelbase... every time I need a deck
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
No one is going to say that. Also, you should stick with width, length and wheelbase. The majority of people who ride Element and Plan B are probably kids who don't really care. A couple years ago, I almost got a Ray Barbee board, that had a graphic of a robot dog or some shit on it, from the clearance for $25. Then, I realized it was Element so I ended up getting a some Polar board that was flat as fuck with one of the best noses ever...worth paying twice as much for a deck to support a better company.
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"�
Combo:
Shape #X | 8.28"x31.75" 14.35" WB
(Also, please make a board with those dimensions, with a bandaid shape ;).
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
What's wrong with Element? A lot of the people on those other companies have asked to ride for Element. If you don't know, you don't know.
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
What's wrong with Element? A lot of the people on those other companies have asked to ride for Element. If you don't know, you don't know.
I think they fell from grace when Howell left and there was the feeling of selling out when the brand felt more lifestyle than skate. Also, I think there is a bad rap with wood quality? I've never skated one, not even sure where/who makes them. Team-wise, if you can call it that, is a hodge-podge of great skaters.
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
What's wrong with Element? A lot of the people on those other companies have asked to ride for Element. If you don't know, you don't know.
It's just resentment from the 2000s when that shit was in department and sporting goods stores. Shops still carried that shit because kids would eat it up and kids would pay $10 for one sheet of Bam griptape. Element definitely changed their image around in the past couple years and the team is awesome. Even though it's turning around, the company itself is kind of bland. Riding for a company is different than supporting it. If Nike/Element sponsored me, I would take their money just because they pay well. However, when I spend my hard-earned money, I rather buy a Quasi and some Hufs, so I can support those who actually make me want to go skate.
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
What's wrong with Element? A lot of the people on those other companies have asked to ride for Element. If you don't know, you don't know.
Use Generator/Bareback and less people will bag on Element.
P.S. Kicking Nyjah off the team would bring more respect to Element.
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
What's wrong with Element? A lot of the people on those other companies have asked to ride for Element. If you don't know, you don't know.
I think they fell from grace when Howell left and there was the feeling of selling out when the brad felt more lifestyle than skate. Also, I think there is a bad rap with wood quality? I've never skated one, not even sure where/who makes them. Team-wise, if you can call it that, is a hodge-podge of great skaters.
Boards have always been made at PS Stix. We've ventured to BEARback for other options but for the most part every brand uses 1 of these two wood shops.
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
What's wrong with Element? A lot of the people on those other companies have asked to ride for Element. If you don't know, you don't know.
I agree with a lot of the things you're saying but i also see the brands people like today in those same stores and even worse. I don't like seeing people tricked into buying anything. Our riders really love the brand. You can see it on their faces when they travel with us. The difference is knowing and not being told.
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
What's wrong with Element? A lot of the people on those other companies have asked to ride for Element. If you don't know, you don't know.
P.S. Kicking Nyjah off the team would bring more respect to Element.
Knowledge is power. We already go through BB. Nyjah is a skate rat at heart. Pay attention to his skating and not his life.
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Back to sizing chart. Thank you to everyone for you're input. We'll see what we can come up with to help you guys find what's the best board for you.
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Tail length is important to me at least. I got a few boards with sub 6.5" tails and it fucked me up.
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The more info the better, especially with:
- Accurate measurements - tell us how you measure, across the top/edge to edge, with or without contour, etc.
- Wheel base, again, center of holes or edge
- Shape Chart
- Concave depth: Mellow/Medium/deep
- Tail and nose I can live without, we all know tails are shorter these days with bigger noses
- Woodshop
YES especially these
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The more info the better, especially with:
- Accurate measurements - tell us how you measure, across the top/edge to edge, with or without contour, etc.
- Wheel base, again, center of holes or edge
- Shape Chart
- Concave depth: Mellow/Medium/deep
- Tail and nose I can live without, we all know tails are shorter these days with bigger noses
- Woodshop
YES especially these
YES especially these
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I would love something on there telling me whether or not the deck is gluten free. I've had trouble from Element in the past with this.
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Inbox me when you re issue andy stone and pepe boards.
Also, element fucked over jeremy wray so I hope you use the shittiest wood ever, credit card yourself and get splinters in your asshole.
Anyhow, yes all the info would be best. Hopefully this becomes industry standard
And yes on the band aid shape.
Find a adreneline matt reason deck and copy the shape/size
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I had a Chris Hall back in 1993. Not sure I've had an Element since.
I like Appleyard though.
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i honestly thought companies didn't put out accurate info to keep loyal customers. like if that 8.25 baker is your favorite shape, you're gonna buy it over any other board because you, may not know if a 8.25 almost is the exact same shape and rather not risk it.
but yeah, keep putting out as much shape info as possible
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The more info the better, especially with:
- Accurate measurements - tell us how you measure, across the top/edge to edge, with or without contour, etc.
- Wheel base, again, center of holes or edge
- Shape Chart
- Concave depth: Mellow/Medium/deep
- Tail and nose I can live without, we all know tails are shorter these days with bigger noses
- Woodshop
Concavity is the obvious one missing from the O.P. for me. And I prefer normal descriptions, not silly names like what Scumco calls theirs (bless their hearts otherwise). And not the word "Standard". Which is pretty vague.
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The trouble with concave is that it will always vary. Factories press multiple boards at a time so if you get a top board and then a bottom board they will be different. Back in the day we had riders that would only ride the middle deck. Some of the riders will look 50 decks just so they can pick out 5 to ride. There's a solution and i'll make sure to pass along the info. Keep the info coming. Open to hear anything.
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The trouble with concave is that it will always vary. Factories press multiple boards at a time so if you get a top board and then a bottom board they will be different. Back in the day we had riders that would only ride the middle deck. Some of the riders will look 50 decks just so they can pick out 5 to ride. There's a solution and i'll make sure to pass along the info. Keep the info coming. Open to hear anything.
Isn't that why Almost/Dwindle do the whole single deck at a time press?
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The trouble with concave is that it will always vary. Factories press multiple boards at a time so if you get a top board and then a bottom board they will be different. Back in the day we had riders that would only ride the middle deck. Some of the riders will look 50 decks just so they can pick out 5 to ride. There's a solution and i'll make sure to pass along the info. Keep the info coming. Open to hear anything.
Isn't that why Almost/Dwindle do the whole single deck at a time press?
they have that layered press thing, I imagine dwindle probably has that manufacturing process patented
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The trouble with concave is that it will always vary. Factories press multiple boards at a time so if you get a top board and then a bottom board they will be different. Back in the day we had riders that would only ride the middle deck. Some of the riders will look 50 decks just so they can pick out 5 to ride. There's a solution and i'll make sure to pass along the info. Keep the info coming. Open to hear anything.
Isn't that why Almost/Dwindle do the whole single deck at a time press?
they have that layered press thing, I imagine dwindle probably has that manufacturing process patented
http://dwindle.com/dsm/ (http://dwindle.com/dsm/)
Think it's around the 4:25 mark
I'd have to agree with more info the better
When buying decks online and the retailer only has the deck width available, it can be infuriating. The deck width, wheelbase and board length should be the bare minimum, concave and tail/nose dimensions should come next.
Thanks again Gunner Down for asking the forum this, it's great to be able to give feedback for some of this stuff.
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The trouble with concave is that it will always vary. Factories press multiple boards at a time so if you get a top board and then a bottom board they will be different. Back in the day we had riders that would only ride the middle deck. Some of the riders will look 50 decks just so they can pick out 5 to ride. There's a solution and i'll make sure to pass along the info. Keep the info coming. Open to hear anything.
Isn't that why Almost/Dwindle do the whole single deck at a time press?
I challenge you to run one of those boards through a heat press...never knew a skateboard could sound like firecrackers
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The trouble with concave is that it will always vary. Factories press multiple boards at a time so if you get a top board and then a bottom board they will be different. Back in the day we had riders that would only ride the middle deck. Some of the riders will look 50 decks just so they can pick out 5 to ride. There's a solution and i'll make sure to pass along the info. Keep the info coming. Open to hear anything.
Yeah, I've read that from different people. How about "intended concavity" though obviously the word 'intended' doesn't have to be used. I assume the middle deck of one set that's intended to be steep is going to be steeper than the middle deck of a set intended to be mellow.
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I would love to see PS Stix have detailed layouts of all their shapes, concaves, and how they actually get the measurements. Like others have said, I want to know where they measure a board width and if they measure across the top or through the concave.
For Element there's the issue where the pros ride PS Stix but Element sells doo doo wood to the public.
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
What's wrong with Element? A lot of the people on those other companies have asked to ride for Element. If you don't know, you don't know.
I think they fell from grace when Howell left and there was the feeling of selling out when the brand felt more lifestyle than skate. Also, I think there is a bad rap with wood quality? I've never skated one, not even sure where/who makes them. Team-wise, if you can call it that, is a hodge-podge of great skaters.
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Do you guys want boards to have a shape number associated with it or just having the dimensions of the board good enough?
"Can i get a 7.75 with a 14.25 wheel base?"
or
"Can i get a shape #7 Element board?"
What's wrong with Element? A lot of the people on those other companies have asked to ride for Element. If you don't know, you don't know.
I think they fell from grace when Howell left and there was the feeling of selling out when the brad felt more lifestyle than skate. Also, I think there is a bad rap with wood quality? I've never skated one, not even sure where/who makes them. Team-wise, if you can call it that, is a hodge-podge of great skaters.
Boards have always been made at PS Stix. We've ventured to BEARback for other options but for the most part every brand uses 1 of these two wood shops.
then ps stix must also have a plant operating in china. maybe this has changed now but last time (circa 2010) i got an element board, the shop carried several items of this brand and some of them had a sticker that said they were made in china and other (element) boards would have heat printed "made in the usa". i always buy a few decks per visit and compared the chinese ones to the us made. HUGE DIFFERENCE between the decks and i never got an element board again. i suppose, if you are going to produce china quality boards then sell those ones at zumiez and sell the decent ones to legit skate shops so that proper skaters can skate proper decks and goth/trap(nowadays) kids can skate garbage