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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Genericwhitemale on March 14, 2021, 07:40:47 PM
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Who/what/where/why/how about nuts and bolts.
Brand?
Size?
Philips? Allen?
Risers? No risers?
Colored? Plain black?
Any quirky methods when it comes to the hardware?
Please share.
I don't care what brand it. It has to be Allen key. I don't use risers but don't mind using the 1" hardware.
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Allen and 7/8”
All black bolts but they can have color on the nuts
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bronze
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Black 7/8 phillips head. Shorty's Light's recently.
Fuck allen head. I didn't get my board at Ikea.
Also, one white in the top right.
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7/8 allen till i die.
Used to be about shortys lites till i got fed up with the short nuts. Been on the regular diamond hardware since.
Silver bolt in the top right.
Whatever doesnt turn silver after a couple weeks
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7/8 allen evertim
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7/8 Phillips Lucky hardware. They come with mini dice and are $2~
1 inch Shorty’s Phillips + Lucky risers for cruiser and any setup with 55mm+ wheels
Sometimes I paint one of the bolts if I have solid black grip on a popsicle to indicate the nose & tail.
Nora’s hardware is nightmare fuel. I see this way too often on people’s boards at parks
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLcc5sTB5ZA/?igshid=s821nxbg0h95
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7/8” Allen always. Brand don’t matter ad long as I get 8 black bolts, no colored nuts etc.
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Shorty's Silverados.
7/8", allen, 7 black, 1 silver, always.
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https://waldskateboards.com/products/
Recently with a couple friends we've started producing TORX bolts, they don't strip at all.
They are made in Europe, and come in a reusable leather pouch.
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Most setups now on Indy Stage 11s, so no risers with the 7/8" Shortys phillips in silverados for plain black griptape (two in the front), or the 7/8" lights for when there is something on the board, grip or whatever that I can easily see to not need coloured heads.
Older / bigger setups, usually the 1" phillips for normal setups with very thin black rubber risers, or slightly longer bolts with risers (almost all phillips) on cruisers.
Black 7/8 phillips head. Shorty's Light's recently.
Fuck allen head. I didn't get my board at Ikea.
Also, one white in the top right.
Not Ikea - that made me laugh, but yeah, ever since there were slightly different allen key sizes from different brands, I have been using phillips and been happy. The worst thing when someone turned up to get something sorted but no allen key would fit their hardware. I have a million allen keys from all the sets that have been left in the shop, but I machined down some just to fit every brand and have them handy nowdays though.
7/8 allen till i die.
Used to be about shortys lites till i got fed up with the short nuts. Been on the regular diamond hardware since.
Silver bolt in the top right.
Whatever doesnt turn silver after a couple weeks
Interesting you are not keen on the low heads on Shortys - curious as to why, so anything in particular? I know they would be more of a pain on some trucks, especially if the skate tool didn't fit over them easily, eg Ventures.
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bolts are like the last thing i don't have dialed in with my setup.
bones and indy's are cheap but the white heads of bones can get old, and those cross bolts are so unnecessary. bronze is a dope company but they aren't stocked anywhere around here and i don't spend money on clothes anymore, i guess. i could just place a big order of bolts but haven't yet. shake junt just seems corn dog. as does any of those 6 dollar bags of painted hardware.
so i've just been using these uggo dimebag 1" with low bolts that i have laying around, basically the worst solution of all. one things for sure: phillips head.
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https://waldskateboards.com/products/
Recently with a couple friends we've started producing TORX bolts, they don't strip at all.
They are made in Europe, and come in a reusable leather pouch.
Very cool
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Allen is the the way, the light and the truth.
I tend to go 1” because my illogical skate ocd lizard brain tells me that I’m less likely to have a nut fall off than 7/8”, were they to come loose without me noticing. I think I’ve lost a grand total of two nuts since 2001, so it’s really not that critical of an issue.
Bronze hardware just because I like their riders and edits.
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https://waldskateboards.com/products/
Recently with a couple friends we've started producing TORX bolts, they don't strip at all.
They are made in Europe, and come in a reusable leather pouch.
Very cool
Thanks a lot.
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Shorty's original phillips
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I remember when I first started skating at age 12, people at school were extreme gatekeepers with skating, like you would get harassed when they found out you started, calling you a poser, etc. Someone tried to make fun of me for having Lucky hardware with a green bolt and I was like... uuhhhh it's a fucking screw, why do you care? Still do not care, as long as they don't strip and don't loosen. It's the least important part of skating. But yeah I have Shorty's 1" phillips head. Pro hardware is so unnecessary.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CLYBJXhF95Q/?igshid=40nb51o7ob4g
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7/8 Allen all day, silver bolts. I prefer the screws in silver too but they're pretty hard to find these days.
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Nora’s hardware is nightmare fuel. I see this way too often on people’s boards at parks
Friggin christ. Why is there an extra 1/2" of space? That's triggering my OCD like people with 473975 unread email alerts.
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I remember when I first started skating at age 12, people at school were extreme gatekeepers with skating, like you would get harassed when they found out you started, calling you a poser, etc. Someone tried to make fun of me for having Lucky hardware with a green bolt and I was like... uuhhhh it's a fucking screw, why do you care?
That’s the shit I had as a youngster. I loved the one green one. I’ve always had to have one different colored bolt ever since. Didn’t know that was a faux pas in some places.
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Allen, 1 inch, all black but one colored bolt in the lower left corner on my front truck, my “lucky kickflip marker”.
Will settle for Philip too if necessary.
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1" Allen bolts.
I ran into a lot of stripped heads with Philips bolts as a kid, and I prefer a little bit of thread showing past the nut. Makes me feel like they're definitely not gonna fall off.
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Shorty's original phillips
I don't understand the allen craze.
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1" phillips for me. I never understood how people have issues with stripping bolts, are people driving with the screw instead of the tool?
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Black, small head, unthreaded shaft through the deck area, phillips, 1”.
Basically, original Shorty’s. Or Roughneck, or anything that fits the above qualifications.
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Seriously the most overlooked equipment
I spent three years cycling through dozens of different hardware to find what worked best. I barely skated. Didn’t learn a single new trick, just dedicated my efforts towards the pursuit of finding the perfect bolt.
Still lookin for that nut
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Seriously the most overlooked equipment
I spent three years cycling through dozens of different hardware to find what worked best. I barely skated. Didn’t learn a single new trick, just dedicated my efforts towards the pursuit of finding the perfect bolt.
Still lookin for that nut
I'm tryna get mah nut
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shake hunt or PIG 7/8” Allen. on one board it’s 7 black, 1 green. Other board is 7 black,1 blue. And third board is 7 black, 1 prime/rainbowish color. On every board, the colored bolt is on the back right where the tail is.
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Does anyone remember when you could mix and match with Shortys hardware?
Shops could buy a small plastic container of loose bolts of each of the colours they wanted - the heads were painted in red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, glow in the dark, etc. People can mix and match to get the specific number and colours they wanted.
Definitely marketing to make shops buy a ton more Shortys bolts, but it worked and there were lots of options, even having a swap in for the regulars, so people could get one or two specific colours of their choice to go with the normal black set in some places.
(https://sep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-11859623546732/shorty-s-custom-mix-match-longboard-skateboard-mounting-hardware-1-7.gif)
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Does anyone remember when you could mix and match with Shortys hardware?
Shops could buy a small plastic container of loose bolts of each of the colours they wanted - the heads were painted in red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, glow in the dark, etc. People can mix and match to get the specific number and colours they wanted.
Definitely marketing to make shops buy a ton more Shortys bolts, but it worked and there were lots of options, even having a swap in for the regulars, so people could get one or two specific colours of their choice to go with the normal black set in some places.
(https://sep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-11859623546732/shorty-s-custom-mix-match-longboard-skateboard-mounting-hardware-1-7.gif)
Definitely remember these. And the little container with pocket wax too!
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7/8" phillips modus
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Been running the same 6 Bronze bolts for the last few years.
What was the company that sold colored bolts in all types of weird colors where the paint would jam up the threads and it was a pain in the ass to get the nuts on? I worked at a shop 10-12 years ago and kids would come in just to buy the crazy colored hardware and it was always a pain. Mightve been distributed through Streetcorner?
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Been running the same 6 Bronze bolts for the last few years.
What was the company that sold colored bolts in all types of weird colors where the paint would jam up the threads and it was a pain in the ass to get the nuts on? I worked at a shop 10-12 years ago and kids would come in just to buy the crazy colored hardware and it was always a pain. Mightve been distributed through Streetcorner?
That would be your "Colorful little buddies" in the painted version as I have here and you can see how much paint there is on the heads.
They figured out they were a pain (only after how ever many million sets) and brought out the anodized version which work really well - like a normal bolt anyway - second pic.
(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/enjoi-colorful-little-buddies-allen-bolts-1-p923-50475_medium.jpg)
(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/616765/files/10455687/1600x2048x1/enjoi-enjoi-little-buddies-hardware-coloured-7-8-a.jpg)
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black 1 inch allen for me. i use loctite on them as well now which i would highly recommend if you've ever battled with loose bolts ever sloppying your baseplate holes which has happened to me way too many times!
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Been running the same 6 Bronze Theeve bolts for the last few years.
Free is free and these things are still good, only lost one in 10 years
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Been running the same 6 Bronze bolts for the last few years.
What was the company that sold colored bolts in all types of weird colors where the paint would jam up the threads and it was a pain in the ass to get the nuts on? I worked at a shop 10-12 years ago and kids would come in just to buy the crazy colored hardware and it was always a pain. Mightve been distributed through Streetcorner?
That would be your "Colorful little buddies" in the painted version as I have here and you can see how much paint there is on the heads.
They figured out they were a pain (only after how ever many million sets) and brought out the anodized version which work really well - like a normal bolt anyway - second pic.
(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/enjoi-colorful-little-buddies-allen-bolts-1-p923-50475_medium.jpg)
(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/616765/files/10455687/1600x2048x1/enjoi-enjoi-little-buddies-hardware-coloured-7-8-a.jpg)
Damn I had those first ones. They really sucked.
Only bolts I had that snapped. 1 snapped and towards the end of the day I had a spinning truck because only 1 was left. Also the heads were so small that they would dig so deep into the board. Terrible bolts.
Only other bolts I had that sucked were Shorty’s Lights. The Nuts were so thin that they were a pain in the ass to hold in place while tightening them. I remember hurting my knuckles because the tool would slip out and I would hit the top of the bolt. And I swear they didn’t stay as tight as other bolts.
Lately I’ve been riding Bronze 1” Allen bolts. I had the same set for like almost 3 years and the nylon was starting to get a bit loose, only reason I had to get a new set not long ago. Solid bolts!
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Does anyone remember when you could mix and match with Shortys hardware?
Shops could buy a small plastic container of loose bolts of each of the colours they wanted - the heads were painted in red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, glow in the dark, etc. People can mix and match to get the specific number and colours they wanted.
Definitely marketing to make shops buy a ton more Shortys bolts, but it worked and there were lots of options, even having a swap in for the regulars, so people could get one or two specific colours of their choice to go with the normal black set in some places.
(https://sep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-11859623546732/shorty-s-custom-mix-match-longboard-skateboard-mounting-hardware-1-7.gif)
Definitely remember these. And the little container with pocket wax too!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ec/9e/ec/ec9eec81d625cc4995daf8fb21298263.jpg)
The containers with bolts, when I actually looked for them and when empty were good for lots of things, including holding the pocket sized "Curb Candy" wax too.
(http://cdn.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/preview/2WSHOCAN4PSTAAA.jpg)
Here you go, for the wax in its own container too.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/e7/8c/a4e78c0ae2bbd411ded91d144e4f2f58.jpg)
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I tend to go 1” because my illogical skate ocd lizard brain tells me that I’m less likely to have a nut fall off than 7/8”, were they to come loose without me noticing.
I’m in the same boat, I’m surprised at the number of 7/8ers in this thread. 1 inch just “feels” more secure. 1 inch till death.
Fuck all this Allen shit, though. Y’all are crazy.
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I tend to go 1” because my illogical skate ocd lizard brain tells me that I’m less likely to have a nut fall off than 7/8”, were they to come loose without me noticing.
I’m in the same boat, I’m surprised at the number of 7/8ers in this thread. 1 inch just “feels” more secure. 1 inch till death.
Fuck all this Allen shit, though. Y’all are crazy.
Ive thought about this, but as a non-silver tool user the extra wrist rotations always get to me
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I tend to go 1” because my illogical skate ocd lizard brain tells me that I’m less likely to have a nut fall off than 7/8”, were they to come loose without me noticing.
I’m in the same boat, I’m surprised at the number of 7/8ers in this thread. 1 inch just “feels” more secure. 1 inch till death.
Fuck all this Allen shit, though. Y’all are crazy.
Ive thought about this, but as a non-silver tool user the extra wrist rotations always get to me
Changing from Phillips to Allen was one of the best things I ever did. I see literally 0 benefits about Phillips bolts. The argument that “it’s easier to find a Phillips screwdriver” is only true if:
1 - You are Chase Gabor
2 - You are one of his hostages
No one ever has one of those when I’m skating and everyone has the little L shaped Allen tool somewhere, because it’s a small and convenient piece to carry around.
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7/8 Allen, Usually Thunder, Diamond, or FTC.
All black with a silver or gold indicator on my back truck toe side.
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Who has the connect on the helicopter bolts? I remember people talking about them here because they are indestructible
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I like 1" allen, as well. Have had more Philips strip on me, especially with the unit tool I use, probably a shitty Philips head and short with no leverage
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My distaste for Allen likely stems from the same silly argument dudes use when discussing circumcising their sons: “It just looks weird.” My first board had Phillips and any time I see Allen it just seems... off.
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Black 7/8" Allen all day - non-thread after head or threaded - depends on what's cheapest/available.
Thunder, Shorty's (oh the pain used with Ventures) or Superior.
#phuckphillipshead
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I tend to go 1” because my illogical skate ocd lizard brain tells me that I’m less likely to have a nut fall off than 7/8”, were they to come loose without me noticing.
I’m in the same boat, I’m surprised at the number of 7/8ers in this thread. 1 inch just “feels” more secure. 1 inch till death.
Fuck all this Allen shit, though. Y’all are crazy.
Lol was gonna say the same about Phillips - Surprised to see so many vouching for phillips tbh
1 inch is fine if your rocking risers but if not then having that excess thread sticking out is just weird & fucked up. I'm with Jamie Thomas - 7/8 allen key all day!
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7/8 Phillips Lucky hardware. They come with mini dice and are $2~
1 inch Shorty’s Phillips + Lucky risers for cruiser and any setup with 55mm+ wheels
Sometimes I paint one of the bolts if I have solid black grip on a popsicle to indicate the nose & tail.
Nora’s hardware is nightmare fuel. I see this way too often on people’s boards at parks
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLcc5sTB5ZA/?igshid=s821nxbg0h95
Gives me late 80s flashbacks when I decided to say fuck risers (before it was the norm) as I always skated worn down old ass wheels...except we'd do the right thing and hacksaw those fuckers down...
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they gotta be ALLEN
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Allen, philips, who cares when we have much bigger fish to fry - still looking for black bolts that won't turn silver after one day. Word is Enjoi Gender Benders might be the one...
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Who has the connect on the helicopter bolts? I remember people talking about them here because they are indestructible
helicopter bolts? ???
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i'm surprised no one has mentioned the allen/phillips combo bolts. i've never had them, i assume they're expensive or something. i don't really care.
i just have to say, i'm not really triggered by anything on slap, but seeing all the proponents of phillips bolts is vibing me out.
i thought allen was kind of a standard.
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i thought allen was kind of a standard.
Not since Kewday bolts had different sized allen heads and then everything went pear shaped. I still have half a dozen sets, but unless you have the smaller allen tool, the regular skate tool or allen key will not help.
That is the main reason I have a lot more phillips heads, but there are probably still more people asking for allen than phillips when it comes to setting up boards.
And the combo bolts scare people off mostly - it is kinda funny to show people and watch their faces. They do work well though.
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Yeah, i've only seen the combo bolts a few times in the wild.
I only remember having a different sized allen key once.
It was with a set of defiant {i think that's what it was named} bolts that I won in a comp. They made trucks i think? Chad bartie, trent fahey, i'm sure others skated for them, but that's all I remember - had a southern cross logo?
I feel like you're the only person who could answer this question Mr Brimson.
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also, possibly a silly question as i know nothing about these things, but why are these the only options - did anyone ever make robertson head bolts, or flat head screwdriver bolts? not that i would want them, because allen keys are sacred skateboard tools to me.
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i'm surprised no one has mentioned the allen/phillips combo bolts. i've never had them, i assume they're expensive or something. i don't really care.
i just have to say, i'm not really triggered by anything on slap, but seeing all the proponents of phillips bolts is vibing me out.
i thought allen was kind of a standard.
Enjoi makes them. They’re called “gender benders”. I’m sure someone is going to get offended by the name here soon, and they’ll have to change it. They’re only $4, so about middle of the road for hardware prices.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Enjoi_Gender_Bender_Phillips__Allen_Hardware/descpage-EIGBHW.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw9MuCBhBUEiwAbDZ-7lyWcGyCG7AD-UyFRJmEqKqH7jl9UiN9oH6ssLuMfcPKrSn09OWqlhoC5OIQAvD_BwE
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7/8" Indy Phillips Head black w/ 2 silver. Turn the nut, not the screw, you animals.
I have one pair of black Thunder bolts with 2 blue. The blue is hard to distinguish from the black when the light isn't good, but I kinda like how they sit a little lower than the Indys.
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Whatever between 7/8 and 1"
I don't mind color, phillips, allen, etc.
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Shorty's 7/8" allen for ....geez over 20 years. I think I had some Diamond Carroll 7/8" allen once in the last 5 years though
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Shake Junt 7/8 Allen (Reynolds colorway)
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I love the Shorty's 7/8" phillips but the damn tool always slips off the shorter nuts real easy and takes too long. 1" and normal sized nuts, I cruise through em real quick.
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Am I the only one confused about shortys still selling hardware? Like wtf happened to the company where they decided to shut everything down except the hardware department? That old marketing really did the trick I suppose, looks like most people still ride em.
1in shortys Phillips with 1/8 RUBBER risers.
I kinda like how they look worn between black/silver, and fuck Allen, that shit looks weird.
The forged plates on titanium indy's plus the slight squish from the rubber risers allow you to get a thread or two passed the nut.
Also rubber risers are sick because you can trim them to fit flush around your baseplates, and they seem to make my hardware rattle loose less often.
PS - Nora needs to get her shit together, I almost threw up looking at that. Come on girl get it together.
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anyone have a source for bulk bolts? i bought a Powell 100 pack a while back, but they're 1 inch//phillips, and I've been looking for 7/8//allen with no luck
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anyone have a source for bulk bolts? i bought a Powell 100 pack a while back, but they're 1 inch//phillips, and I've been looking for 7/8//allen with no luck
https://www.mudgehardware.com/shortys-style-allen-mounting-hardware
Order minimum is $50, which equates to about 100 sets
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anyone have a source for bulk bolts? i bought a Powell 100 pack a while back, but they're 1 inch//phillips, and I've been looking for 7/8//allen with no luck
Order minimum is $50, which equates to about 100 sets
sweet, thanks!
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I want to try white bolts (I think bones makes them)
but otherwise as long as my bolts arent longer than normal and arent Phillips idc
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I bought a bunch of generic 7/8" and 1" Allen-key bolts from eBay (Aliexpress reseller, no doubt) a few years back for like $2 a pack. They have been great, no complaints. I tried to direct a friend that way and found that the seller was gone. While plenty of other people are selling them for $4-6, at that price, might as well go name brand
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I bought a bunch of generic 7/8" and 1" Allen-key bolts from eBay (Aliexpress reseller, no doubt) a few years back for like $2 a pack. They have been great, no complaints. I tried to direct a friend that way and found that the seller was gone. While plenty of other people are selling them for $4-6, at that price, might as well go name brand
For some reason most of the sellers only do 1" allen, rarely see 7/8" Philips.
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I bought a bunch of generic 7/8" and 1" Allen-key bolts from eBay (Aliexpress reseller, no doubt) a few years back for like $2 a pack. They have been great, no complaints. I tried to direct a friend that way and found that the seller was gone. While plenty of other people are selling them for $4-6, at that price, might as well go name brand
For some reason most of the sellers only do 1" allen, rarely see 7/8" Philips.
Generic stuff is weird like that. I always assume it is because a pallet of 1" hardware disappeared out of the back of a factory in Shenzhen a year or two ago
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I was actually trying to find a place to order bulk generic hardware a little while back, and found this place
www.americanintegratedsupply.com
Stainless 7/8 allen: https://www.americanintegratedsupply.com/details/item?itemID=BSFHS010200870
Black 7/8 allen: https://www.americanintegratedsupply.com/details/item?itemID=BSFHA010200870
Locknuts: https://www.americanintegratedsupply.com/details/item?itemid=NLI1S01020&rt=%2FSearch%2FResults%3Fid%3D10-32%2Blocknut
Don't quote me on this, but i believe all of their stuff is made in the USA as well, so that's cool.
Shipping is a bit pricey, but if you're buying a ton of that stuff in bulk it definitely still saves you money in the long run.
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I want to try white bolts (I think bones makes them)
but otherwise as long as my bolts arent longer than normal and arent Phillips idc
The bones ones are just white painted heads on black bolts.
Maybe a little bit less spectacular when you see them, but that is up to you.
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Yeah, i've only seen the combo bolts a few times in the wild.
I only remember having a different sized allen key once.
It was with a set of defiant {i think that's what it was named} bolts that I won in a comp. They made trucks i think? Chad bartie, trent fahey, i'm sure others skated for them, but that's all I remember - had a southern cross logo?
I feel like you're the only person who could answer this question Mr Brimson.
Ha yes, but Defiant brand was from the minds / under the umbrella of Kewday, so that is the link - Jamie Bartie, older brother to Chad and others, as well as their dad Dave Bartie, who had the Barties skate shop on the Gold Coast from the 80s.
also, possibly a silly question as i know nothing about these things, but why are these the only options - did anyone ever make robertson head bolts, or flat head screwdriver bolts? not that i would want them, because allen keys are sacred skateboard tools to me.
I know there were a few back once upon a time, maybe only on the really cheap completes, with the flatheads or that is what people bought from the hardware store, and I saw somewhere a couple of people doing other special shaped heads, similar to all those weird looking extra bits that are in the 50 piece kit that you never know what they will fit, but they always have them in there, star shaped and all that.
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Yeah, i've only seen the combo bolts a few times in the wild.
I only remember having a different sized allen key once.
It was with a set of defiant {i think that's what it was named} bolts that I won in a comp. They made trucks i think? Chad bartie, trent fahey, i'm sure others skated for them, but that's all I remember - had a southern cross logo?
I feel like you're the only person who could answer this question Mr Brimson.
Ha yes, but Defiant brand was from the minds / under the umbrella of Kewday, so that is the link - Jamie Bartie, older brother to Chad and others, as well as their dad Dave Bartie, who had the Barties skate shop on the Gold Coast from the 80s.
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also, possibly a silly question as i know nothing about these things, but why are these the only options - did anyone ever make robertson head bolts, or flat head screwdriver bolts? not that i would want them, because allen keys are sacred skateboard tools to me.
I know there were a few back once upon a time, maybe only on the really cheap completes, with the flatheads or that is what people bought from the hardware store, and I saw somewhere a couple of people doing other special shaped heads, similar to all those weird looking extra bits that are in the 50 piece kit that you never know what they will fit, but they always have them in there, star shaped and all that.
thanks for clarifying the defiant/kewday connection - yeah that was a terribly stupid idea to have different sized allen key set ups.
i equate phillips head bolts with really cheap completes and is part of my disdain for them in real skateboards.
i never had them, but when i was a kid i really wanted a set of those tap in bolts that were neither phillips/allen or anything else, anyone had experience with those? i guess they suck and that's why they didn't stay a thing but all the older dudes had them around me...
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i never had them, but when i was a kid i really wanted a set of those tap in bolts that were neither phillips/allen or anything else, anyone had experience with those? i guess they suck and that's why they didn't stay a thing but all the older dudes had them around me...
Yes, had those for a minute too, but was always more keen on the plain simple ones.
Funny though cause I was going through things and found some, lots actually.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLBiQ_IF0YZ/
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are they good or are they a pain?
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The bolts thread is moving way faster than the trucks thread. Has truck madness been solved and I didn't get the memo?
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are they good or are they a pain?
From my instagram post, sums it up best I think:
Randoms Hardware, otherwise known as "hammer ins"
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Cleaning up and sorting out some things and a few people had been talking about them, so I decided to get out the ones I still had floating around, some with Black Label heads, some from Hardcore Dist and others from who knows where.
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Look like these guys went out of business a few years ago now, last Instagram post early 2019, but had been around since about 2000 or earlier. I know these were pretty hot in the early 00s and people loved to swap and mix them with heads from certain brands or pro riders like Heddings with the pentagrams or the alien or skull, etc.
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The way they worked was you put them in the board, sat the trucks on and just did up the nuts, not needing to hold the deck bolts from the top, but as the nickname suggested, often a hammer was needed to get them into the board to get far enough through so you could get the nuts on.
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I can recall a few people having issues not being able to get them far enough through or hammering them in on angles so the trucks didn't go on and all sorts of stupid things, but when installed correctly they worked well and never had loose bolt issues.
30ramp
Looking back I’ve wondered if randoms contributed to pressure cracks at the base plate area when I always used them as a kid.
mbrimson88
@30ramp There was actually a post on their Instagram account showing no difference in stress between hammer ins and regular bolts and I remember seeing something like that in a video once too. Funny though, cause the way some people were beating the things in, I could easily see them doing damage to the board. I always found it interesting too when looking at old boards, to see the star pattern the bolts left in the decks. @randomshardware
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are they all 1"? if you have lots would you be happy to let a set go? i wanna try them.
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are they all 1"? if you have lots would you be happy to let a set go? i wanna try them.
I think there are still some online, as I looked around before I posted that a while back - might have been $20 a set or something which I think is ridiculous, but I guess that is what people can get for them.
There are a lot of things that come and go, mainly because there are better products, so these fall more into the gimmick category than anything else.
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If you don’t run shortys allen heads I honestly feel sorry for you
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If you don’t run shortys allen heads I honestly feel sorry for you
they look cool, but they look like something a tech skater would rock...
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i had rasta bolts when i was 11, don’t remember the brand but they were painted and the screwdriver didn’t fit some of them at first
i prefer allen simply because i like that shape more than phillips and i own a skate tool so i don’t have a problem with finding a key
i’ve been using the same set of bolts for like 8 years, though i remember buying plus reserve bolts in like 2015, i set up 2 or 3 decks using them and all of them stripped, they were awful. they were those bolts that fit both phillips and allen keys, such a bad idea but i was 15 and liked how they looked
i recently got new bolts and they’re the pig allen prime bolts, 1 inch, i like that rainbow color a lot
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I was actually trying to find a place to order bulk generic hardware a little while back, and found this place
www.americanintegratedsupply.com
Stainless 7/8 allen: https://www.americanintegratedsupply.com/details/item?itemID=BSFHS010200870
Black 7/8 allen: https://www.americanintegratedsupply.com/details/item?itemID=BSFHA010200870
Locknuts: https://www.americanintegratedsupply.com/details/item?itemid=NLI1S01020&rt=%2FSearch%2FResults%3Fid%3D10-32%2Blocknut
Don't quote me on this, but i believe all of their stuff is made in the USA as well, so that's cool.
Shipping is a bit pricey, but if you're buying a ton of that stuff in bulk it definitely still saves you money in the long run.
Some additional bulk suppliers should they have better shipping rates to your area:
https://www.fastenere.com/10-32-x-1-flat-head-socket-cap-screws-black-oxide-alloy-steel-qty-100
https://www.fastenere.com/10-32-nylon-insert-hex-lock-nuts-grade-2-zinc-plated-steel-qty-100
https://www.grainger.com/product/4XY14
https://www.grainger.com/product/4XY14
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are they all 1"? if you have lots would you be happy to let a set go? i wanna try them.
I think there are still some online, as I looked around before I posted that a while back - might have been $20 a set or something which I think is ridiculous, but I guess that is what people can get for them.
There are a lot of things that come and go, mainly because there are better products, so these fall more into the gimmick category than anything else.
you are very right - it was a retroactive desire that was fuelling my misguided wanting of these. I realize I am absolutely content with the 1-inch allen bolts that are holding my board to my trucks presently and need for nothing more.
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are they all 1"? if you have lots would you be happy to let a set go? i wanna try them.
I think there are still some online, as I looked around before I posted that a while back - might have been $20 a set or something which I think is ridiculous, but I guess that is what people can get for them.
There are a lot of things that come and go, mainly because there are better products, so these fall more into the gimmick category than anything else.
you are very right - it was a retroactive desire that was fuelling my misguided wanting of these. I realize I am absolutely content with the 1-inch allen bolts that are holding my board to my trucks presently and need for nothing more.
The issue I remember is you couldn’t get em out again
Those enjoi bolts gave me a laugh I 100% remember what you guys were talking about with the paint just peeling
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Bulk bolts probably go the 40 thieves - Ali baba
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Are there any other companies which use a bigger bolt head like Indy does?
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Nora’s hardware is nightmare fuel. I see this way too often on people’s boards at parks
You're one of those people bothered by hardware "too big" for a truck setup, huh? Lol
Did you see them shits? There’s an extra half inch or more sticking out. I bet her hangers rub her bolts when she carves hard enough. At least she doesn’t have to worry about wheelbite
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I've got the regular Shorty's 1 inch phillips. Would be open to trying Hardies Hardware if it was more readily available.
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are they all 1"? if you have lots would you be happy to let a set go? i wanna try them.
I think there are still some online, as I looked around before I posted that a while back - might have been $20 a set or something which I think is ridiculous, but I guess that is what people can get for them.
There are a lot of things that come and go, mainly because there are better products, so these fall more into the gimmick category than anything else.
you are very right - it was a retroactive desire that was fuelling my misguided wanting of these. I realize I am absolutely content with the 1-inch allen bolts that are holding my board to my trucks presently and need for nothing more.
The issue I remember is you couldn’t get em out again
The easiest way was undo all the nuts and then just drop your board on the ground, then stand on it - they all pop straight up and out.
I used to laugh at seeing others not do this, but yeah there was really no other easy way to get them out.
Are there any other companies which use a bigger bolt head like Indy does?
Lots actually, which is funny because I stay away from the bigger heads mainly because they are often a bit more of a pain to get done up right. By that I mean to get the heads down to just below grip line is a lot easier with small heads than with others like those Indy heads. More of the generic variety use the bigger heads, so pretty much any brand that are more of a "free hardware with complete" option or the DIY brands "buy in bulk and put in your own packaging" type, as compared to some of the major companies who have everything mass produced with their own packaging from the manufacturing end.
Have a look next time you are in a skate shop, as most you can usually see easily enough, or at least feel through the packet.
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Local brand/shop called Def has a hardware co called Grill Army, so I support them. They have the option of all black, silver or gold, or all black with one or two in silver or gold. I run 7/8 allen, seven black with one gold, front toe side, like it's a gold tooth.
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My last set up was on Shorty‘s allen bolts but after a few times tightening them some turned empty so I got some Shorty‘s Phillips heads for my new set up but these are even worse. I could not fix two of them no matter how I tried and had to use two of the old allen heads instead. I‘ll go to the shop tomorrow to get some bolts... can‘t have allen bolts and phillips bolts on one setup or you dudes would tear me a new one in the set up thread, right? ;D
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My last set up was on Shorty‘s allen bolts but after a few times tightening them some turned empty so I got some Shorty‘s Phillips heads for my new set up but these are even worse. I could not fix two of them no matter how I tried and had to use two of the old allen heads instead. I‘ll go to the shop tomorrow to get some bolts... can‘t have allen bolts and phillips bolts on one setup or you dudes would tear me a new one in the set up thread, right? ;D
This just sounds weird, (not that I don't believe you) but how does this happen, eg you clear the excess grip out of the mounting holes in the deck, you put the deck bolts through the board, mount the truck, put the nuts on by hand and then tighten them up...
Just curious as to what or where this is falling down.
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Anyone knows where I could find Shortys Style 7/8" Allen stainless or silver? Can't find anything ( "-_-)
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Anyone knows where I could find Shortys Style 7/8" Allen stainless or silver? Can't find anything ( "-_-)
I haven't seen full silver sets in a long time from Shortys, if ever, but after looking around there are some out there from other generic / no name brands, but I guess it depends where you are as to what you can get, eg
US https://www.skateamerica.com/products/independent-genuine-parts-phillips-silver-7-8in-skateboard-mounting-hardware
AU https://www.citybeach.com.au/deck-bolts-20165672
UK https://www.skatewarehouse.co.uk/venom-premium-1-allen-key-anodised-skateboard-deck-hardware-silver.html
For another guy I had pulled apart four sets of silverados so he could have all silver hardware, but that was a one time thing.
I know when I wanted to make silverados I had just rubbed off two of the black heads on smooth concrete, which worked, but it is not quite what you are after.
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Anyone knows where I could find Shortys Style 7/8" Allen stainless or silver? Can't find anything ( "-_-)
I haven't seen full silver sets in a long time from Shortys, if ever, but after looking around there are some out there from other generic / no name brands, but I guess it depends where you are as to what you can get, eg
US https://www.skateamerica.com/products/independent-genuine-parts-phillips-silver-7-8in-skateboard-mounting-hardware
AU https://www.citybeach.com.au/deck-bolts-20165672
UK https://www.skatewarehouse.co.uk/venom-premium-1-allen-key-anodised-skateboard-deck-hardware-silver.html
For another guy I had pulled apart four sets of silverados so he could have all silver hardware, but that was a one time thing.
I know when I wanted to make silverados I had just rubbed off two of the black heads on smooth concrete, which worked, but it is not quite what you are after.
From Canada! Thanks for the links definitely gonna check those :)) And might do that trick of buying a couple sets to get the perfect 10 years lasting silver hardware set ahah
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My last set up was on Shorty‘s allen bolts but after a few times tightening them some turned empty so I got some Shorty‘s Phillips heads for my new set up but these are even worse. I could not fix two of them no matter how I tried and had to use two of the old allen heads instead. I‘ll go to the shop tomorrow to get some bolts... can‘t have allen bolts and phillips bolts on one setup or you dudes would tear me a new one in the set up thread, right? ;D
This just sounds weird, (not that I don't believe you) but how does this happen, eg you clear the excess grip out of the mounting holes in the deck, you put the deck bolts through the board, mount the truck, put the nuts on by hand and then tighten them up...
Just curious as to what or where this is falling down.
I figured out that the problem is that I got bolts that are too long. I used to ride with a 1/8 riser so I copped 1.125 bolts but decided to get rid of the riser and now the bolts are way too long. I‘m gonna pick up some 7/8 bolts today that should do it.
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My last set up was on Shorty‘s allen bolts but after a few times tightening them some turned empty so I got some Shorty‘s Phillips heads for my new set up but these are even worse. I could not fix two of them no matter how I tried and had to use two of the old allen heads instead. I‘ll go to the shop tomorrow to get some bolts... can‘t have allen bolts and phillips bolts on one setup or you dudes would tear me a new one in the set up thread, right? ;D
This just sounds weird, (not that I don't believe you) but how does this happen, eg you clear the excess grip out of the mounting holes in the deck, you put the deck bolts through the board, mount the truck, put the nuts on by hand and then tighten them up...
Just curious as to what or where this is falling down.
I figured out that the problem is that I got bolts that are too long. I used to ride with a 1/8 riser so I copped 1.125 bolts but decided to get rid of the riser and now the bolts are way too long. I‘m gonna pick up some 7/8 bolts today that should do it.
Yeah that makes sense now.
The 1" will be the average size for almost everything including no riser or thin risers, but if you can find some Shortys in 7/8" they will also work as they have the low nuts that fit well on any truck.
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Really? A 4 page thread discussing bolts?
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Yeah that makes sense now.
The 1" will be the average size for almost everything including no riser or thin risers, but if you can find some Shortys in 7/8" they will also work as they have the low nuts that fit well on any truck.
Cheers brah, I'll get both 7/8" and 1" just in case. :D
Really? A 4 page thread discussing bolts?
Welcome to Slap. There's a 334 page thread about trucks waiting for your kind perusal. ;D
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Shortys 7/8 Allen or Phillips. Fo Sho
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Bolts too long? Hacksaw, dremel or angle grinder will fix that right up.
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Really? A 4 page thread discussing bolts?
It really suprise you? This is Slap.
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https://youtu.be/YVgB0EBg1xA
Were 7/8” Allen head bolts really non-existent in the mid-2000s?
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https://youtu.be/YVgB0EBg1xA
Were 7/8” Allen head bolts really non-existent in the mid-2000s?
They’re still non-existent at Cowtown, which he talks about in that video. They only carry their own brand 1 inch Phillips hardware, which is really odd. They have a massive selection of boards, shoes, apparel, etc. but don’t carry any branded bolts or other sizes
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I don’t mind colored bolts. I think they look nice.
That being said, I bought some old Alien bolts and I screwed them in but the heads were shaped weird. The cone area didn’t sink in and I felt that if I kept screwing it could've messed up my board. Other than that I’m okay with Allen or Philip.
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https://youtu.be/YVgB0EBg1xA
Were 7/8” Allen head bolts really non-existent in the mid-2000s?
They’re still non-existent at Cowtown, which he talks about in that video. They only carry their own brand 1 inch Phillips hardware, which is really odd. They have a massive selection of boards, shoes, apparel, etc. but don’t carry any branded bolts or other sizes
Tho$e margin$ tho
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CLYBJXhF95Q/?igshid=40nb51o7ob4g
The only choice
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i'm surprised no one has mentioned the allen/phillips combo bolts. i've never had them, i assume they're expensive or something. i don't really care.
i just have to say, i'm not really triggered by anything on slap, but seeing all the proponents of phillips bolts is vibing me out.
i thought allen was kind of a standard.
combihead is the best. indy made combihead hardware for a while. i would buy nothing else. it looks kinda cool, too. sadly i can't find any combihead bolts in 7/8 anymore. it's sick since if you happen to strip the allen thread, you can still get your trucks off via the philips thread and they still look consistent. makes the bolts last virtually forever. i lost all mine when i thought i could use a fresh set of bolts with a christmas complete, put them away and now i have like three left.
i'm surprised combi isn't the standard tbh. but it might be actually expensive as you said, since i imagine you'd have to machine two times instead of once and it probably has a bigger failure margin so less come out of qc, if they even really do that when producing those in bulk.
this brings to mind how almost half the time i buy bolts, there's either a bolt or a nut missing. if you're lucky there's too much in it. or the allen key thing is missing. independent was notorious for this in one of the shops i worked at. i would actually insist on opening each pack and counting the bolts and nuts to ensure the set was complete if someone just wanted some hardware to take home to set up their board.
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GOLD PIG BOLTS BABY
1 inch
Phillips
Skate these or gtfo
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I was stoked to receive a bag of Enjoi Gender Benders as I thought these could be the bolts that stay black. Well, I can already see silver on the bolt heads and threads. Obviously it's a microscopic amount, but I'm not gonna ride them until they lose the black coating like other shitty Chinese bolts. So fuck em, sending them back. The Mini Logo bolts that someone suggested are threaded all the way to the head so that's lame too. The search for the holy grail of bolts continues.
(https://i.imgur.com/bshO8Px.jpg)
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i know this is shoes and gear, but returning bolts cause there is some silver showing through the threading is peak madness. also is threading all the way through really that bad? i guess in theory it could be a little loose, and oval out your trucks more quickly...
i found some of those hammer-through style hardware, kinda interesting.
https://socalskateshop.com/Dustys-Nuts-and-Bolts-1-Pounders-Hardware-Black-Silver.html (https://socalskateshop.com/Dustys-Nuts-and-Bolts-1-Pounders-Hardware-Black-Silver.html)
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I was stoked to receive a bag of Enjoi Gender Benders as I thought these could be the bolts that stay black. Well, I can already see silver on the bolt heads and threads. Obviously it's a microscopic amount, but I'm not gonna ride them until they lose the black coating like other shitty Chinese bolts. So fuck em, sending them back. The Mini Logo bolts that someone suggested are threaded all the way to the head so that's lame too. The search for the holy grail of bolts continues.
(https://i.imgur.com/bshO8Px.jpg)
I've broken mini logo bolts just by putting them on the board.
did you try bender hardware yet? I'm sure if you DM'd the owner on IG they'd confirm if the current ones stay black or not. Seems like they've had various results over the years.
http://www.benderhardware.com/products
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMfs0uGFKCB/
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I was stoked to receive a bag of Enjoi Gender Benders as I thought these could be the bolts that stay black. Well, I can already see silver on the bolt heads and threads. Obviously it's a microscopic amount, but I'm not gonna ride them until they lose the black coating like other shitty Chinese bolts. So fuck em, sending them back. The Mini Logo bolts that someone suggested are threaded all the way to the head so that's lame too. The search for the holy grail of bolts continues.
(https://i.imgur.com/bshO8Px.jpg)
Shorty's tend to stay black for me. I think theyre anodized instead of painted.
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I've broken mini logo bolts just by putting them on the board.
did you try bender hardware yet? I'm sure if you DM'd the owner on IG they'd confirm if the current ones stay black or not. Seems like they've had various results over the years.
http://www.benderhardware.com/products
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMfs0uGFKCB/
Have not tried em, but the ones in the pictures look black enough. My Indy and Diamond bolts go shiny silver in a few weeks and I don't even do anything strange with them. I sink em and I ride em and somehow it happens every time. It's not a surprise as just a slight brush with some leftover griptape is enough to scrub off the paint. I need some bolts for my 2nd and 3rd setups so I want to make it count. The other bolts to try out will probably be Shorty's. Someone mentioned Thunder in a good light as well.
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Bolt madness in my opinion is way more benign than other gear madness. No one thinks changing bolt companies will make them better. I just like quality shit and bolts are among the first things I see on the board besides the griptape (looking from the up). It's strictly for my viewing pleasure and no one else's - quite selfish if you think about it.
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I've been running Indy 1 in. phillips hardware for who knows how long, probably years, still no major issues.
I don't even know what I'd base my next hardware purchase on. Maybe a cool color or something. All I know is that I personally thought 7/8 was too short for me.
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We’re big fans of Bender.
I run the allen heads.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CNVLAOILe7G/
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Got myself some generic Element 1" bolts. The package says the red bolt is anodized, but it seems like they all are. Black is holding up very well so far. It seems to me that the deal with shitty hardware is some of the companies stopped anodizing the hardware and are instead selling painted bolts, which is why they lose their color after like 2 sessions. And that's also the reason why it didn't happen as often in the past. At least that's my theory. I know Enjoi Little Buddies (rainbow hardware) are definitely anodized, so maybe the Gender Benders are too.
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5 philips and 3 allens, all white that I paint myself.
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I used to ride philips but then got a set of Allen and I’ve had them for over a decade. After a few years the lock tight wore out so I went to Home Depot and got generic nuts with this purple lock tight and they seriously never slip or loosen. Regardless of your bolt preference I recommend just getting some nicer nuts and never worrying about the trucks getting loose. Sounds trivial but it’s actually super nice.
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when you gotta pull out that nut
make sure its bronze
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Not a speck of silver on the Element bolts after weeks of riding. Might unironically consider an Element deck because of this. Element 4 life.
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Any weirdos use randoms like me?
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are they good or are they a pain?
From my instagram post, sums it up best I think:
Randoms Hardware, otherwise known as "hammer ins"
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Cleaning up and sorting out some things and a few people had been talking about them, so I decided to get out the ones I still had floating around, some with Black Label heads, some from Hardcore Dist and others from who knows where.
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Look like these guys went out of business a few years ago now, last Instagram post early 2019, but had been around since about 2000 or earlier. I know these were pretty hot in the early 00s and people loved to swap and mix them with heads from certain brands or pro riders like Heddings with the pentagrams or the alien or skull, etc.
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The way they worked was you put them in the board, sat the trucks on and just did up the nuts, not needing to hold the deck bolts from the top, but as the nickname suggested, often a hammer was needed to get them into the board to get far enough through so you could get the nuts on.
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I can recall a few people having issues not being able to get them far enough through or hammering them in on angles so the trucks didn't go on and all sorts of stupid things, but when installed correctly they worked well and never had loose bolt issues.
30ramp
Looking back I’ve wondered if randoms contributed to pressure cracks at the base plate area when I always used them as a kid.
mbrimson88
@30ramp There was actually a post on their Instagram account showing no difference in stress between hammer ins and regular bolts and I remember seeing something like that in a video once too. Funny though, cause the way some people were beating the things in, I could easily see them doing damage to the board. I always found it interesting too when looking at old boards, to see the star pattern the bolts left in the decks. @randomshardware
I've got the heddings, alien, skull and blank randoms. I bulked up on them five or six years ago when he was still producing new sets. I used to have the Tony Hawk and label ones but i left the board that had the black label bolts at a skatepark on accident and it grew legs and walked away. I'm mostly a transition dude, but I've never snapped a board at the trucks because of randoms and I've been skating them exclusively since 2014
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Got some Thunder 1 1/8 bolts. They suck. I had a nut that wouldn’t go on and they’re painted not anodized.
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Got some Thunder 1 1/8 bolts. They suck. I had a nut that wouldn’t go on and they’re painted not anodized.
I can definitely vouch for Thunder bolts sucking big time
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Got some Thunder 1 1/8 bolts. They suck. I had a nut that wouldn’t go on and they’re painted not anodized.
I can definitely vouch for Thunder bolts sucking big time
All the sets I have had come through, either set up the board for the customer or seen them set them up in the shop had no issues.
And not doubting you, but anything in particular about them you don't like, besides as said the one nut?
The coloured ones are chrome foil coated I think more than anything else, but I still have some of the green ones that have kept their coating after a few years.
I always liked that they came with 8 black and 2 coloured bolts, so you could choose what you wanted.
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Got some Thunder 1 1/8 bolts. They suck. I had a nut that wouldn’t go on and they’re painted not anodized.
I can definitely vouch for Thunder bolts sucking big time
All the sets I have had come through, either set up the board for the customer or seen them set them up in the shop had no issues.
And not doubting you, but anything in particular about them you don't like, besides as said the one nut?
The coloured ones are chrome foil coated I think more than anything else, but I still have some of the green ones that have kept their coating after a few years.
I always liked that they came with 8 black and 2 coloured bolts, so you could choose what you wanted.
What irked me most was the allen key not sticking inside the bolt when tightening it, like something was in the way and wouldn't allow the key to go all the way in. And that was a problem with different allen keys.
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Got some Thunder 1 1/8 bolts. They suck. I had a nut that wouldn’t go on and they’re painted not anodized.
I can definitely vouch for Thunder bolts sucking big time
All the sets I have had come through, either set up the board for the customer or seen them set them up in the shop had no issues.
And not doubting you, but anything in particular about them you don't like, besides as said the one nut?
The coloured ones are chrome foil coated I think more than anything else, but I still have some of the green ones that have kept their coating after a few years.
I always liked that they came with 8 black and 2 coloured bolts, so you could choose what you wanted.
Apart of struggling to get that on. My screw driver would slip out and they were harder than most bolts to screw. I understood it would take longer to screw but, they were harder to turn and the plastic/rubber stuff that keeps it secure was shredded by the time I was done putting a bolt in.
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Don't do wrong, get some TORX bolts. 8)
waldskateboards.com
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My local doesn't have 7/8 Allen. Is there a consensus on where the best place to get them online is? I don't care about brand just preferably all black but indicators will work too.
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My local doesn't have 7/8 Allen. Is there a consensus on where the best place to get them online is? I don't care about brand just preferably all black but indicators will work too.
https://www.tactics.com/skateboard-hardware/allen/rs-7~8in/sort-3
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i use both allen & phillips. 7/8" for forged baseplates and 1" for cast baseplates.
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I’ve been using the colored, supposedly anodized, Indy crossbolts. The color rubbed off the top within a week of use, but the main part and nut are still colored fine, assuming because they aren’t touched much.
Anyone else have this problem? Any way to restore that? I got the blue set but they’re all just chrome looking now. Could always paint them, but it wouldn’t look the same.
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My local doesn't have 7/8 Allen. Is there a consensus on where the best place to get them online is? I don't care about brand just preferably all black but indicators will work too.
https://orchardshop.com/collections/skate-hardgoods/products/orchard-hardware-allen-head?variant=40056622514341
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That's probably been asked before, but I am lazy and don't feel like searching.
I am looking for 7/8 black allen bolts with a bigger head and silver nuts. Like the indy ones, but just silver nuts.
Thanks in advance pals.
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That's probably been asked before, but I am lazy and don't feel like searching.
I am looking for 7/8 black allen bolts with a bigger head and silver nuts. Like the indy ones, but just silver nuts.
Thanks in advance pals.
I got a set of Diamonds like that, maybe Yuto’s?
Also Shorty’s, but they have a smaller head iirc
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Used 7/8 Phillips forever now that I got risers Im using 1 inch Phillips. Its just easier for me to find a screwdriver than an Allen key.
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I used to ride philips but then got a set of Allen and I’ve had them for over a decade. After a few years the lock tight wore out so I went to Home Depot and got generic nuts with this purple lock tight and they seriously never slip or loosen. Regardless of your bolt preference I recommend just getting some nicer nuts and never worrying about the trucks getting loose. Sounds trivial but it’s actually super nice.
Did the nuts already come with the purple lock tight or did you buy that separate?
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(https://i.ibb.co/VQkSmrL/FB-IMG-1629112538376.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VQkSmrL)
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That's probably been asked before, but I am lazy and don't feel like searching.
I am looking for 7/8 black allen bolts with a bigger head and silver nuts. Like the indy ones, but just silver nuts.
Thanks in advance pals.
Shake Junt Andrew Reynolds
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That's probably been asked before, but I am lazy and don't feel like searching.
I am looking for 7/8 black allen bolts with a bigger head and silver nuts. Like the indy ones, but just silver nuts.
Thanks in advance pals.
Pig hardware has the larger heads and silver nuts too.
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I used to ride philips but then got a set of Allen and I’ve had them for over a decade. After a few years the lock tight wore out so I went to Home Depot and got generic nuts with this purple lock tight and they seriously never slip or loosen. Regardless of your bolt preference I recommend just getting some nicer nuts and never worrying about the trucks getting loose. Sounds trivial but it’s actually super nice.
Did the nuts already come with the purple lock tight or did you buy that separate?
I actually meant the nylon locking insert. The inserts in the nuts that come in typical skate hardware is super cheap in comparison to what is used in other industries.
My brother an I started buying the really nice stuff in bulk then packaging it in sets and selling it at a local shop for the same price as regular hardware. We don’t make any money off because we have regular jobs so that doesn’t matter.
It’s weird that it makes such a difference but having your trucks so firmly adhered to your board really makes your board feel stiffer longer. Maybe I’ve just convinced myself and it’s just a placebo but Frank Gerwer said he rides hardware he got from a friend in a stop and chat that sounds like what we get and noticed the same thing. If people are interested, maybe we will sell it online.
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This might be a dumb idea, but has anyone tried putting helicoils/timeserts into baseplates and getting rid of nuts all together? Save a bit of weight, run shorter hardware and it wouldn't wear down the nuts.
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This might be a dumb idea, but has anyone tried putting helicoils/timeserts into baseplates and getting rid of nuts all together? Save a bit of weight, run shorter hardware and it wouldn't wear down the nuts.
Haven't tried helicoils, but I have tried countersunk Chicago screws/sex bolts. They were going into the trash at work, so I brought them home. Red Loctite was used on the threads.
They held for about 30 mins of skating until I ate shit really bad. The front truck was nearly falling off, two of the bolts were missing :( Evidently, the Loctite wasn't enough to hold the screws in place. I feel like the maple veneers shifting, compressing, and expanding in microscopic amounts caused the Loctite to break the bond between the screws and sex nuts. That's just my experience though, maybe I was unlucky or fucked something up. Either way, if you do decide to try helicoils, I'd love to know your results!
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I got these for 3€ at a car workshop. And they are perfect.
(https://i.ibb.co/7RbZ4Pv/20210821-191321-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5n2SFmT)
Thanks for the help with the size @Mbrimson88
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Fuck bolts, grow up and super glue your trucks on
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Fuck bolts, grow up and super glue your trucks on
fuck that dawg. paperclips r the shit
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I've ridden 1" shorty's phillips without risers and 1-1/8" with 1/8" risers since I started skating. Need to see a few threads engaged in that nylock for peace of mind so that's why I go slightly longer on the bolts. New hardware each set-up, too.
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(https://i.ibb.co/VQkSmrL/FB-IMG-1629112538376.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VQkSmrL)
I see you too have seen the light
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/274654295315?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/274654295315?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649)
I bought these, and they're pretty funky. Half the weight of normal bolts, much stronger, should last forever. ~2 dollars more than most hardware.
Edit: Forgot to add the unthreaded part is ever so thicker than Shorty's (the only hardware I buy, so I'm clueless about other brands). So your trucks won't slop around at all. :)
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shorty's allen silverados since ~1990, 2 packs for 4 silvers.
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I’ve been using the colored, supposedly anodized, Indy crossbolts. The color rubbed off the top within a week of use, but the main part and nut are still colored fine, assuming because they aren’t touched much.
Anyone else have this problem? Any way to restore that? I got the blue set but they’re all just chrome looking now. Could always paint them, but it wouldn’t look the same.
Ive been using the Indy hardware with black and 2 gold bolts. The golds are still like new, but the black is rubbing off. Dont think theres a reliable way of restoring them. Its fine and gets the job done, but I dont like the cross design on the heads, I prefer a simple look so I got some diamond hardware on ice for my next deck.
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Home Depot has an Everbilt 8 pack of bolts+nuts 10-32 3/4" for $1.28. The nuts are lower profile so they work without risers like a 7/8" set would. They don't have nylock but I threw some Loctite on them, I don't think they'll come off. Will post pics when I can. I think they look excellent in all silver.
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Phillips just seems to make more sense to me. everyone has a screw driver, its a much more practical tool than an Allen key. The bolts wont strip as long as you use the screw driver to hold the bolt in place and the skate tool to screw it in.
I don't have a preference on brand, although I seem to have a lot of Indy 7/8 Phillips bolts. Half of my set ups have 7/8 Allen bolts in then anyways so I'm clearly just grabbing what ever. I do have a set of 1 inch, and a set of 1 1/2 inch bolts for cruiser set ups with riser pads.
lately I keep having this problem where the grip tape squishes around my bolts when I screw them in. It's annoying for sure but I forget about it pretty quickly.
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bronze allen 1 inch always
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Might as well, since we're on topic:
http://waldskateboards.bigcartel.com/product/chopping-board-knife-kit
We've just released these hand shaped Cutting Boards, including our TORX bolts.
Let me know if anyone is interested, we have a special SLAP discount.
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Home Depot has an Everbilt 8 pack of bolts+nuts 10-32 3/4" for $1.28. The nuts are lower profile so they work without risers like a 7/8" set would. They don't have nylock but I threw some Loctite on them, I don't think they'll come off. Will post pics when I can. I think they look excellent in all silver.
Just wanted to say these nuts were garbage. One of them completely stripped which transferring it to a different board. Failed experiment.
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Said it before and will say it again.
You can buy boxes (or some smaller lots) of replacement nuts fairly easily from hardware wholesalers, from ebay or even from car part dealers.
They come in the normal height or the low heads and all work the same way.
I just got another lot of these, 200 nuts = 25 sets for skateboards, which worked out about 68 cents a set.
Qty 200 Jam Nyloc Nut 3/16" (10-32) UNF Zinc Plated Steel Grade 5 Lock Insert ZP
https://www.ebay.com/itm/182438925274
(https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/1-4AAOSw6n5XstSx/s-l200.jpg)
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It may have been asked or maybe not, but how does one remove hammer in bolts?
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Take nut and truck off, hammer back out.
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It may have been asked or maybe not, but how does one remove hammer in bolts?
Take nut and truck off, hammer back out.
Almost, but it is easier just to undo all the nuts which come off in the normal way, then take the truck off and then just drop the board on the ground.
They always just popped straight out.
One guy I knew would put the nuts back on and just hit it on a ledge or something and they would pop up, so he would never lose any or cause issues with the end of the threads. He would also never need a hammer either, just putting them into the board, put the trucks on and tighten the nuts down to pull them through.
They would always leave such a distinctive star pattern in the deck bolt holes too, whenever I would see a board that used those sort of bolts.
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It may have been asked or maybe not, but how does one remove hammer in bolts?
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Take nut and truck off, hammer back out.
Almost, but it is easier just to undo all the nuts which come off in the normal way, then take the truck off and then just drop the board on the ground.
They always just popped straight out.
One guy I knew would put the nuts back on and just hit it on a ledge or something and they would pop up, so he would never lose any or cause issues with the end of the threads. He would also never need a hammer either, just putting them into the board, put the trucks on and tighten the nuts down to pull them through.
They would always leave such a distinctive star pattern in the deck bolt holes too, whenever I would see a board that used those sort of bolts.
i was actually thinking about that, and came to the conclusion that the best way to get them out could be putting the board on the ground grip side up with the bolts in and then standing on it, no?
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It may have been asked or maybe not, but how does one remove hammer in bolts?
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Take nut and truck off, hammer back out.
Almost, but it is easier just to undo all the nuts which come off in the normal way, then take the truck off and then just drop the board on the ground.
They always just popped straight out.
One guy I knew would put the nuts back on and just hit it on a ledge or something and they would pop up, so he would never lose any or cause issues with the end of the threads. He would also never need a hammer either, just putting them into the board, put the trucks on and tighten the nuts down to pull them through.
They would always leave such a distinctive star pattern in the deck bolt holes too, whenever I would see a board that used those sort of bolts.
i was actually thinking about that, and came to the conclusion that the best way to get them out could be putting the board on the ground grip side up with the bolts in and then standing on it, no?
That's how I used to do it.
To put them in id also just kinda do the opposite. Put the bolts in the holes put the trucks on and stand on it.
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For fans of hammer in bolts:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbshmPTuflm/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Hammering bolts and them shifting and not lining up correctly would mess with me so hard.
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Any clues with what to look out for with black bolts turning silver. Always skated girl bolts which never ever fade but now I can't get them. Was thinking diamond but heard they fade.
Is it only painted black bolts that fade?
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Any clues with what to look out for with black bolts turning silver. Always skated girl bolts which never ever fade but now I can't get them. Was thinking diamond but heard they fade.
Is it only painted black bolts that fade?
Shortys and Modus do this, annoying.
Thunders fade a bit, Superior stay black for a while; the crail bolts you rode stay pretty true; good bolts.
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The only good is that they all match the two silver ones…..
I still like the low pro nuts and the sticker….
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Any clues with what to look out for with black bolts turning silver. Always skated girl bolts which never ever fade but now I can't get them. Was thinking diamond but heard they fade.
Is it only painted black bolts that fade?
If you can find bender hardware they don’t fade. You can also DM them for nerdy questions.
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Any clues with what to look out for with black bolts turning silver. Always skated girl bolts which never ever fade but now I can't get them. Was thinking diamond but heard they fade.
Is it only painted black bolts that fade?
If you can find bender hardware they don’t fade. You can also DM them for nerdy questions.
looks like they got em online currently - https://benderhardware.bigcartel.com/
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A paint marker does a great job at color coding your hardware, swap the color every few boards too.
Riding the Andele combi bolts at the moment, no complaints. The adonized colors are staying on pretty well.
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A paint marker does a great job at color coding your hardware, swap the color every few boards too.
Riding the Andele combi bolts at the moment, no complaints. The adonized colors are staying on pretty well.
Those red combi or metalic blue allen heads don't seem to wear at all.
Almost sent you those ones, but I thought you would prefer a bit of Aussie Modus blue.
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A paint marker does a great job at color coding your hardware, swap the color every few boards too.
Riding the Andele combi bolts at the moment, no complaints. The adonized colors are staying on pretty well.
Those red combi or metalic blue allen heads don't seem to wear at all.
Almost sent you those ones, but I thought you would prefer a bit of Aussie Modus blue.
Me rocking blue hardware is like Aussies getting dreadlocks while in Bali. Ok for a holiday, any longer and I'm getting stares from everyone back home.
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A paint marker does a great job at color coding your hardware, swap the color every few boards too.
Riding the Andele combi bolts at the moment, no complaints. The adonized colors are staying on pretty well.
Those red combi or metalic blue allen heads don't seem to wear at all.
Almost sent you those ones, but I thought you would prefer a bit of Aussie Modus blue.
Me rocking blue hardware is like Aussies getting dreadlocks while in Bali. Ok for a holiday, any longer and I'm getting stares from everyone back home.
Ha yeah, I usually just grind off the blue leaving them silver topped, but prefer to just get silver (Silverados) or similar to start with.
Just running a single bolt between fingers upside down on moderately smooth concrete gets the paint off fairly well, but I have also used a blade to take the blue paint off as well.
I had quite a number of the blue ones left over that were unused / unwanted so ended up spraying the tops black and it worked well enough too.
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A paint marker does a great job at color coding your hardware, swap the color every few boards too.
Riding the Andele combi bolts at the moment, no complaints. The adonized colors are staying on pretty well.
seconded for the Andale combo red bolts. Functionally good with both allen and phillips head. And most importantly the paint doesn’t wear away. Idk what other bolt companies are doing but it pisses me off when the colored bolts fade after a week of skating. especially if i’m getting hardies since they charge a premium for the brand.
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If you are in SD Slappy's sells Lawn Chair, which has stayed black really well for me. No idea who else carries them. Cheap too.
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If you’re in San Diego, Rose St sells Dawg bones hardware. Contact and Labor skate shop carries them as well. Based out of San Diego and I believe it’s sold also online Dawgboneshardware.com.
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Ranger hardware is treating me good so far plus all the bolts are brass like bullet cartridges which sound weird but it looks cool. Like looking down they are easy to see and also don’t look bright like colored bolts.
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no mention of NUTASS is a serious oversight
(https://i.imgur.com/Ok3fEUX.png)
if you're a baby who cares about their hardware staying black maybe these aren't for you, but if you want unparalleled speed, performance, strength and durability then look no further
https://faboles.bigcartel.com/product/nutass-skateboards-7-8-hardware (https://faboles.bigcartel.com/product/nutass-skateboards-7-8-hardware)
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(https://i.ibb.co/mhG2Tz8/6686-A7-A7-6-B05-4-D09-8-F17-11-A8-F52-D2006.jpg)
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I wish GK Rims would come back
(https://i.ibb.co/mhG2Tz8/6686-A7-A7-6-B05-4-D09-8-F17-11-A8-F52-D2006.jpg)
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Ranger hardware is treating me good so far plus all the bolts are brass like bullet cartridges which sound weird but it looks cool. Like looking down they are easy to see and also don’t look bright like colored bolts.
I normally try and support small Oregon company’s, but man the fact that the heads on them is so big messes with my skate ocd bad.
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How’s about that new Ace hardware?
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How’s about that new Ace hardware?
Just saw an Instagram post/ad for them. I’m usually a Phillips guy but wouldn’t mind trying these out if my local gets them in.
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WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF COPPER BOLTS??
https://www.tactics.com/pig/pig-bolts-phillips-skateboard-hardware/copper
Classier looking setups? will brass bolts become a thing now?
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How’s about that new Ace hardware?
Just saw an Instagram post/ad for them. I’m usually a Phillips guy but wouldn’t mind trying these out if my local gets them in.
Homie showed me a pic of Hollow Ace bolts. I like the idea of those. But are they lighter as say Titanium bolts? And how much grams would be saved? Can't be much ^^
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no mention of NUTASS is a serious oversight
(https://i.imgur.com/Ok3fEUX.png)
if you're a baby who cares about their hardware staying black maybe these aren't for you, but if you want unparalleled speed, performance, strength and durability then look no further
https://faboles.bigcartel.com/product/nutass-skateboards-7-8-hardware (https://faboles.bigcartel.com/product/nutass-skateboards-7-8-hardware)
I have Allen nutass hardware. I rep it hard got mad stickers too. They help me go fast
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How’s about that new Ace hardware?
Just saw an Instagram post/ad for them. I’m usually a Phillips guy but wouldn’t mind trying these out if my local gets them in.
Homie showed me a pic of Hollow Ace bolts. I like the idea of those. But are they lighter as say Titanium bolts? And how much grams would be saved? Can't be much ^^
I agree, but when you add it up ie. also the little locking teeth, I’m interested…. From what I recall from the tih Theeves, the hard metal shredded nuts…..I’ve been running silverados for awhile but these seem worth trying.
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(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/1608/4KDLoy.jpg)
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How’s about that new Ace hardware?
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-hollow-bolts-w-grippers-allen-1 (https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-hollow-bolts-w-grippers-allen-1)
(https://i.imgur.com/v3R5dhK.jpg)
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-bolts-allen-1 (https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-bolts-allen-1)
(https://i.imgur.com/kSongHW.jpg)
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So totally worth it yeah? Does Bronze even give you a sticker? If they did I’d consider…
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How’s about that new Ace hardware?
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-hollow-bolts-w-grippers-allen-1 (https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-hollow-bolts-w-grippers-allen-1)
(https://i.imgur.com/v3R5dhK.jpg)
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-bolts-allen-1 (https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-bolts-allen-1)
(https://i.imgur.com/kSongHW.jpg)
So if we use 1" Ace Hollow Bolts, our setup would be 8 grams lighter as with other regular bolts (if we use 8 of them). But hear me out. What if we use 7/8" Ace Hollow Bolts instead? That would maybe save another 2 grams. Maybe. I still think it is cool and a bit funky.
I think it would trip me out when I look down on my board and I can see through my bolts onto the ground below.
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Are the ace bolts hollow all the way through?
Hear me out y'all, magnesium bolts. IDK if they exist but they sound decent for a set up but then they'll get washed and you probably can't take them off.
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So totally worth it yeah? Does Bronze even give you a sticker? If they did I’d consider…
not that im aware of, the first set of bronze i got i got a sticker but it wasn't in the packaging it was just complimentary.
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I run 1” Allen on all my setups. Sometimes I run 1/8” risers and sometimes i don’t. Works well with both and no need to change bolts when adding or removing risers. Changing bolts to a different brand with a different head on a deck is horrible. That’s why I always try to donate the bolts and nuts if I have a board I don’t get along with and give it away.
I prefer Shorty’s and Thunder cuz they have smaller heads. Dunno which other ones have those. Tried Ace non-hollow recently and got rid of those fast as I hated the huge heads.
Worst bolts I’ve ever had were Independent combi bolts. Never stripped another bolt but those stripped way too easy. Also fuck Philips head. That’s some toy store complete shit.
I’ve never lost a nut skating but I have way more bolts than nuts in my skate stuff box. I do throw away nuts that start looking like prolapsed anuses and I guess that happens quite often then. Wouldn’t mind having some of those better nuts that were talked about here earlier on, with purple nyloc or what it was. Not easy to find those in hardware stores in Finland as we’re not using inch hardware over here.
I don’t care about colors or them wearing off too much. I like my shit to look beat up anyway. With twin tails I like to have bolts that all look the same so either new ones or old ones that are worn equally. Sometimes I use the green Thunder bolts as indicator bolts but lately I’ve had mainly shaped boards or stuff on my grip, which is why @SneakySecrets doesn't like me.
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I run 1” Allen on all my setups. Sometimes I run 1/8” risers and sometimes i don’t. Works well with both and no need to change bolts when adding or removing risers. Changing bolts to a different brand with a different head on a deck is horrible. That’s why I always try to donate the bolts and nuts if I have a board I don’t get along with and give it away.
I prefer Shorty’s and Thunder cuz they have smaller heads. Dunno which other ones have those. Tried Ace non-hollow recently and got rid of those fast as I hated the huge heads.
Worst bolts I’ve ever had were Independent combi bolts. Never stripped another bolt but those stripped way too easy. Also fuck Philips head. That’s some toy store complete shit.
I’ve never lost a nut skating but I have way more bolts than nuts in my skate stuff box. I do throw away nuts that start looking like prolapsed anuses and I guess that happens quite often then. Wouldn’t mind having some of those better nuts that were talked about here earlier on, with purple nyloc or what it was. Not easy to find those in hardware stores in Finland as we’re not using inch hardware over here.
I don’t care about colors or them wearing off too much. I like my shit to look beat up anyway. With twin tails I like to have bolts that all look the same so either new ones or old ones that are worn equally. Sometimes I use the green Thunder bolts as indicator bolts but lately I’ve had mainly shaped boards or stuff on my grip, which is why @SneakySecrets doesn't like me.
I don't know how accessible things are in the way of hardware / nuts and bolts wholesalers, but if you never really destroy the normal Shortys or Thunder bolts, you can always buy a pack, or more often a box of nuts to keep you going, which is what I do for the spare parts area of my shop space.
If someone blows out some of the nyloc on the nuts, I just replace the full set and away they go, which should last another dozen or more board changes.
Deck bolts are way harder to find the right size, shape and strength, so I get whatever I prefer in the way of skate brand deck bolts (usually Shortys) and just replace the nuts as needed.
Ebay has them for only a few dollars for enough to make it worthwhile for me, but just so OCD doesn't kick in and make a mess of things, I buy them in lots of 200 = 25 full sets of spare nuts.
Key words that came up with the best listings for me were:
Nyloc Nut 3/16" (10-32) UNF
Some car part suppliers also use those nuts, but they are usually more expensive than the ebay hardware wholesalers.
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https://www.instagram.com/spagear_hardware/
Started a hardware brand mainly to make stupid stickers. 7/8 allen and phillips. Follow if you'd like.
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I run 1” Allen on all my setups. Sometimes I run 1/8” risers and sometimes i don’t. Works well with both and no need to change bolts when adding or removing risers. Changing bolts to a different brand with a different head on a deck is horrible. That’s why I always try to donate the bolts and nuts if I have a board I don’t get along with and give it away.
I prefer Shorty’s and Thunder cuz they have smaller heads. Dunno which other ones have those. Tried Ace non-hollow recently and got rid of those fast as I hated the huge heads.
Worst bolts I’ve ever had were Independent combi bolts. Never stripped another bolt but those stripped way too easy. Also fuck Philips head. That’s some toy store complete shit.
I’ve never lost a nut skating but I have way more bolts than nuts in my skate stuff box. I do throw away nuts that start looking like prolapsed anuses and I guess that happens quite often then. Wouldn’t mind having some of those better nuts that were talked about here earlier on, with purple nyloc or what it was. Not easy to find those in hardware stores in Finland as we’re not using inch hardware over here.
I don’t care about colors or them wearing off too much. I like my shit to look beat up anyway. With twin tails I like to have bolts that all look the same so either new ones or old ones that are worn equally. Sometimes I use the green Thunder bolts as indicator bolts but lately I’ve had mainly shaped boards or stuff on my grip, which is why @SneakySecrets doesn't like me.
I don't know how accessible things are in the way of hardware / nuts and bolts wholesalers, but if you never really destroy the normal Shortys or Thunder bolts, you can always buy a pack, or more often a box of nuts to keep you going, which is what I do for the spare parts area of my shop space.
If someone blows out some of the nyloc on the nuts, I just replace the full set and away they go, which should last another dozen or more board changes.
Deck bolts are way harder to find the right size, shape and strength, so I get whatever I prefer in the way of skate brand deck bolts (usually Shortys) and just replace the nuts as needed.
Ebay has them for only a few dollars for enough to make it worthwhile for me, but just so OCD doesn't kick in and make a mess of things, I buy them in lots of 200 = 25 full sets of spare nuts.
Key words that came up with the best listings for me were:
Nyloc Nut 3/16" (10-32) UNF
Some car part suppliers also use those nuts, but they are usually more expensive than the ebay hardware wholesalers.
Thanks.
I’d prefer to get some really good nuts instead of generic ones from which the nyloc strips easily from eBay.
I’m also fairly certain that I couldn’t get through 200 nuts in my life no matter how I tried. 50 max or something like that. Dunno. I’ve got like 10 sets of hardware right now so I have no urgent need. :)
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How’s about that new Ace hardware?
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-hollow-bolts-w-grippers-allen-1 (https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-hollow-bolts-w-grippers-allen-1)
(https://i.imgur.com/v3R5dhK.jpg)
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-bolts-allen-1 (https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-bolts-allen-1)
(https://i.imgur.com/kSongHW.jpg)
So if we use 1" Ace Hollow Bolts, our setup would be 8 grams lighter as with other regular bolts (if we use 8 of them). But hear me out. What if we use 7/8" Ace Hollow Bolts instead? That would maybe save another 2 grams. Maybe. I still think it is cool and a bit funky.
You don't need 4 bolts per truck. On my freestyle setup I have 2.
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there needs to be a list of bolts with small heads (for us normal people) and large ones (for freaks).
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Are the ace bolts hollow all the way through?
Hear me out y'all, magnesium bolts. IDK if they exist but they sound decent for a set up but then they'll get washed and you probably can't take them off.
Yes
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there needs to be a list of bolts with small heads (for us normal people) and large ones (for freaks).
That would be an interesting one, but I guess it just comes down to where brands get their bolts.
Some more generic brands seem to have the bigger heads, which are easier to come by on ebay (which is why I don't get them) but then some seem to get the exact size, shape, etc as Shortys and other good brands.
I guess it is subjective, like everything in skateboarding, where some people prefer bigger heads and others prefer smaller heads. Never had a problem doing bolts up too much and the smaller heads just work so much better for me anyway, so I always stick with those, but I have seen where some people almost pull the bolt through their deck either not paying attention or thinking they constantly need to do them up tighter or whatever.
This might also come down to the fact that any and every nut is only as good as the nyloc on it, which is why I have bought bulk spare nuts to swap out as needed.
Back to the question, list of smaller heads that I can think of right this minute that I have seen or used (but also being in AU so we don't get half of those brands that the USA does) includes:
Shortys
Modus
Thunder
Element (look like Shortys bolts)
Shake Junt
Pig
Andale
Primitive
Diamond
Bolts I have seen with heads that are bigger than I like:
Indy
HKD
Lucky
Bones
Mini Logo
Enjoi
Almost
Universal
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The silverados I skate the heads are small but I wish they sunk down a bit more….
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no mention of NUTASS is a serious oversight
(https://i.imgur.com/Ok3fEUX.png)
if you're a baby who cares about their hardware staying black maybe these aren't for you, but if you want unparalleled speed, performance, strength and durability then look no further
https://faboles.bigcartel.com/product/nutass-skateboards-7-8-hardware (https://faboles.bigcartel.com/product/nutass-skateboards-7-8-hardware)
I have Allen nutass hardware. I rep it hard got mad stickers too. They help me go fast
salute to a real nutted up soldier
offering up one free sacque of allen or phillips for anyone who wants to experience the Nutass Difference™, first person to DM gets it
UPDATE: the free sacque offer has been claimed
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there needs to be a list of bolts with small heads (for us normal people) and large ones (for freaks).
I use both actually. I always mount a board for the first time with the smaller heads. When that board downgrades to rain board or cruiser I use the larger heads to keep the hardware secure and flush without being sunken into the deck.
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no mention of NUTASS is a serious oversight
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if you're a baby who cares about their hardware staying black maybe these aren't for you, but if you want unparalleled speed, performance, strength and durability then look no further
https://faboles.bigcartel.com/product/nutass-skateboards-7-8-hardware (https://faboles.bigcartel.com/product/nutass-skateboards-7-8-hardware)
I have Allen nutass hardware. I rep it hard got mad stickers too. They help me go fast
offering up one free sacque of allen or phillips for anyone who wants to experience the Nutass Difference™, first person to DM gets it
UPDATE: the free sacque offer has been claimed
shout out FABOMARVOCEO for the free loot. 7/8 phillip small head gang
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My wife just bought a kitchen scale so I decided to do a little test between the Ace Hollow hardware and the Shorty's Lights that I normally use. All sets are 7/8 allen.
(https://i.imgur.com/naO3Nzr.jpg)
The bolts themselves weigh the exact same, so the only weight savings comes with the thinner nuts that Shorty's uses. Could pair the Ace bolts with the Shorty's nuts to at least get the benefit of potentially not needing to use an allen key and Ace's claim that their bolts don't cause griptape swirls (that's never been a problem for me anyway as long as you only tighten from the nut side)
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Did we ever decide what bolts resisted turning silver, or is it time to just accept it
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My wife just bought a kitchen scale so I decided to do a little test between the Ace Hollow hardware and the Shorty's Lights that I normally use. All sets are 7/8 allen.
(https://i.imgur.com/naO3Nzr.jpg)
The bolts themselves weigh the exact same, so the only weight savings comes with the thinner nuts that Shorty's uses. Could pair the Ace bolts with the Shorty's nuts to at least get the benefit of potentially not needing to use an allen key and Ace's claim that their bolts don't cause griptape swirls (that's never been a problem for me anyway as long as you only tighten from the nut side)
Thanks for that. Makes me happy / satisfied that Shortys are good, or even just buying a box of the low head nuts is a win, when I have the nyloc start to lose grip, so don't have to get new deck bolts either.
So good!
Did we ever decide what bolts resisted turning silver, or is it time to just accept it
From two sets of identical bolts, same brand, about the same time they were set up, one guy who swears by putting them down into the board and another who never puts them down in far enough (to my mind), sure enough the first set are still full black, the other set are all worn off and plain silver.
From the thoughts about this thread, I have seen quite a few people recently who didn't do up their bolts enough and sure enough they were having issues with the colour / paint rubbing off the heads.
Others who put their bolts on and do them up so they are a little below the top of the grip never have issues with bolts changing colour, or the paint wearing off, no matter what brand, myself included.
Make of that what you will.
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My wife just bought a kitchen scale so I decided to do a little test between the Ace Hollow hardware and the Shorty's Lights that I normally use. All sets are 7/8 allen.
(https://i.imgur.com/naO3Nzr.jpg)
The bolts themselves weigh the exact same, so the only weight savings comes with the thinner nuts that Shorty's uses. Could pair the Ace bolts with the Shorty's nuts to at least get the benefit of potentially not needing to use an allen key and Ace's claim that their bolts don't cause griptape swirls (that's never been a problem for me anyway as long as you only tighten from the nut side)
Ive been had.
They probably sell low profile locknuts on McMaster carr , I’ll check that out soon
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My wife just bought a kitchen scale so I decided to do a little test between the Ace Hollow hardware and the Shorty's Lights that I normally use. All sets are 7/8 allen.
(https://i.imgur.com/naO3Nzr.jpg)
The bolts themselves weigh the exact same, so the only weight savings comes with the thinner nuts that Shorty's uses. Could pair the Ace bolts with the Shorty's nuts to at least get the benefit of potentially not needing to use an allen key and Ace's claim that their bolts don't cause griptape swirls (that's never been a problem for me anyway as long as you only tighten from the nut side)
this pleases me in so many ways considering my other hobby is ultralight backpacking lol
thats kind of a wild difference in weight savings. pretty surprised
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Did we ever decide what bolts resisted turning silver, or is it time to just accept it
Anybody remember halos hardware? Those resisted turning silver pretty well.
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Did we ever decide what bolts resisted turning silver, or is it time to just accept it
the only ones I’ve ever found to truly stay black, are shake junt. their bolts looked like they might be powder coated black? most bolts are painted black it seems. I wish I could skate the shortys light bolts, but that’s why I don’t. Lol the nuts are great for cast plates though.
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I got some Roughneck hardware from my local recently, they are black phillips bolts... flat black/brownish hue to them and they seem like they will forever stay black since they're not painted. They're actually my new fav cause they blend in with the griptape differently. Just throwing that out there in case anyone wants to try them. I haven't skated them long enough to know for sure about them not rubbing/turning silver.
Also, those thinner Shorty's nuts you guys are posting are the truth. I run them with 1" bolts and risers combo so that way the nylock actually gets engaged with the threading and they just look better than the normal taller/fatter looking nuts.
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Do people really have a problem with 1” bolts engaging with normal nuts when using 1/8” risers? I’ve been running that combo for a long time and never had any issues. Should be the same as using 7/8” without risers which is a really popular combo also.
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the only ones I’ve ever found to truly stay black, are shake junt. their bolts looked like they might be powder coated black? most bolts are painted black it seems. I wish I could skate the shortys light bolts, but that’s why I don’t. Lol the nuts are great for cast plates though.
Bender hardware stays black. I’ve had the same set of 7/8 allen for 3 years.
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Did we ever decide what bolts resisted turning silver, or is it time to just accept it
the only ones I’ve ever found to truly stay black, are shake junt. their bolts looked like they might be powder coated black? most bolts are painted black it seems. I wish I could skate the shortys light bolts, but that’s why I don’t. Lol the nuts are great for cast plates though.
Bender hardware stays black. I’ve had the same set of 7/8 allen for 3 years.
can confirm the same
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Do people really have a problem with 1” bolts engaging with normal nuts when using 1/8” risers? I’ve been running that combo for a long time and never had any issues. Should be the same as using 7/8” without risers which is a really popular combo also.
Yes, 1" hardware for 1/8" risers imo is too short. having the bolt flush with the end of the nut isn't enough to properly secure it. That's why I use the thin nuts so there a few threads engaged past the nylock.
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hmm, is that whats really causing that tho...?
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I feel like loose hardware is what causes it and those crail bolts would still damage the truck when loose
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hmm, is that whats really causing that tho...?
Yeah loose hardware is 100% causing that. If it's loose, it can vibrate, which will widen the hole in the softer aluminum.
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They would definitely come off faster.
You would have to check them more often and there’s less thread for it to hold on.
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My dumb little bolt company is now available at my local. No long neck nonesense and should not oval your baseplates if tightened ;)
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/hardware/products/spa-gear-7-8-skateboard-mounting-hardware
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My dumb little bolt company is now available at my local. No long neck nonesense and should not oval your baseplates if tightened ;)
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/hardware/products/spa-gear-7-8-skateboard-mounting-hardware
lmao was not expecting to see Sans on skateboard bolts ever
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My dumb little bolt company is now available at my local. No long neck nonesense and should not oval your baseplates if tightened ;)
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/hardware/products/spa-gear-7-8-skateboard-mounting-hardware
lmao was not expecting to see Sans on skateboard bolts ever
Oh shit, that’s yours @camel filters ? I saw these on Instagram yesterday. Looks dope!
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The funny thing with these bolts, if you sink them too deep into the deck you can't actually do them up tight enough as there is no more thread.
I have a set of these from who knows where from ages ago that someone was sick of, so I swapped him out with some normal bolts and kept these ones as I was curious about them, never saw a brand or anything and had never seen them before or since.
They work fine, but really it is the nuts and nyloc that stops bolts working well, so just swap out the nuts and away you go.
Anyone, even on these bolts can still have that issue if the trucks are not mounted well and move side to side as they are skating.
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My dumb little bolt company is now available at my local. No long neck nonesense and should not oval your baseplates if tightened ;)
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/hardware/products/spa-gear-7-8-skateboard-mounting-hardware
Saw these on the Gram yesterday and instantly followed. Having your own thing feels pretty good.
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My dumb little bolt company is now available at my local. No long neck nonesense and should not oval your baseplates if tightened ;)
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/hardware/products/spa-gear-7-8-skateboard-mounting-hardware
What I like the most is that they are plain simple bolts, option for all black, or silver, which really appeals to me.
Silver nuts too. Just right.
It might sound silly, but I would get eight sets, so I can use all the spares, use two silvers at the front of any set on plain grip and use the plain black ones on any board with cut up grip.
Being in AU it is not easy to get (and I have too much stuff anyway), but it is rad you have them in a local shop too.
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2023 is the year of hardware gimmicks
My predictions:
Indy: Stage 4 hardware reissue
Thunder: Titanium hardware
Venture: Forged hollow hardware but the nuts don't turn
FA: Bolts that have the two letter FA Logo as the head
Real: Wooden hardware
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My dumb little bolt company is now available at my local. No long neck nonesense and should not oval your baseplates if tightened ;)
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/hardware/products/spa-gear-7-8-skateboard-mounting-hardware
Followed a wild back. Waiting for pay day to get a set or two!
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2023 is the year of hardware gimmicks
My predictions:
Indy: Stage 4 hardware reissue
So we’re going back to dome top bolts again?
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My dumb little bolt company is now available at my local. No long neck nonesense and should not oval your baseplates if tightened ;)
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/hardware/products/spa-gear-7-8-skateboard-mounting-hardware
lmao was not expecting to see Sans on skateboard bolts ever
Oh shit, that’s yours @camel filters ? I saw these on Instagram yesterday. Looks dope!
Yep! Sick. I guess social media does have some uses, haha.
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My dumb little bolt company is now available at my local. No long neck nonesense and should not oval your baseplates if tightened ;)
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/hardware/products/spa-gear-7-8-skateboard-mounting-hardware
What I like the most is that they are plain simple bolts, option for all black, or silver, which really appeals to me.
Silver nuts too. Just right.
It might sound silly, but I would get eight sets, so I can use all the spares, use two silvers at the front of any set on plain grip and use the plain black ones on any board with cut up grip.
Being in AU it is not easy to get (and I have too much stuff anyway), but it is rad you have them in a local shop too.
Aw thanks for the compliment. Yes I went ahead and made the silver optional and not make it a separate product. I guess it's good customer value but it was mainly so I didn't have too many differing products to package. I guess laziness can sometimes pay off. Hopefully one day I can have the bolts distributed in AU :)
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My dumb little bolt company is now available at my local. No long neck nonesense and should not oval your baseplates if tightened ;)
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/hardware/products/spa-gear-7-8-skateboard-mounting-hardware
Followed a wild back. Waiting for pay day to get a set or two!
Thank you! I hope I followed back. For some reason IG is not giving me notifications on follows. I turned it on in settings and everything. If not shoot me a message!
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Awesome you have a sticker in there too…..I know it costs $ but it makes a difference for me.
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Ah fuck we ordered 100,000 of the wrong type of bolts what do we do? Guess just make some shit up so people think it's intentional
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Did we ever decide what bolts resisted turning silver, or is it time to just accept it
Shake Junt
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2023 is the year of hardware gimmicks
My predictions:
Indy: Stage 4 hardware reissue
Thunder: Titanium hardware
Venture: Forged hollow hardware but the nuts don't turn
FA: Bolts that have the two letter FA Logo as the head
Real: Wooden hardware
woah, woah slow down! i gotta write all this stuff down. (Tensor design guy)
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i've never ruined a truck by "baseplate blowout", so i could really care less about this product
also, how many people really give a shit about their hardware? just get the cheapest allen/phillips
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(https://i.ibb.co/cwPdjqJ/098-F7-EB1-27-C1-4598-8-F56-A590-B3232832.png) (https://ibb.co/cwPdjqJ)
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Here's some low profile locknut's I got from McMaster Carr, been skating them for a month and no issues and I combined them with the hollow Ace bolts. Pack of 50 for $5.70 + $9.69 shipping (you can't choose shipping, they arrived next day). Not the best financial decision, but then again I'm buying low profile locknuts for my skateboard.
Part number: 90101A225
(https://i.imgur.com/64ipCIs.png)
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I'd be much more interested in low-profile 3/8" nuts for better kingpin clearance, but not interested enough to buy 50 through McMaster-Carr.
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I'd be much more interested in low-profile 3/8" nuts for better kingpin clearance, but not interested enough to buy 50 through McMaster-Carr.
That’s a good idea, you could have a looser truck while remaining flush at the top
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So ACE can't even make hollow bolts lightweight?
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I'd be much more interested in low-profile 3/8" nuts for better kingpin clearance, but not interested enough to buy 50 through McMaster-Carr.
That’s a good idea, you could have a looser truck while remaining flush at the top
https://www.acerracing.com/products/3-8-24-titanium-skateboard-truck-kingpin-nuts-2-pieces?variant=14347926896675¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAiA3KefBhByEiwAi2LDHLr5DHeiPDNhjXRL6vQmFxpA2xPLM2Rjc7uyUccX2eyDoRS7IyA37RoCPkYQAvD_BwE
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They seem to be going neck and neck with Indy making newer and heavier products……could be consistent to their middle aged target market…..
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So ACE can't even make hollow bolts lightweight?
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I'd be much more interested in low-profile 3/8" nuts for better kingpin clearance, but not interested enough to buy 50 through McMaster-Carr.
That’s a good idea, you could have a looser truck while remaining flush at the top
https://www.acerracing.com/products/3-8-24-titanium-skateboard-truck-kingpin-nuts-2-pieces?variant=14347926896675¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAiA3KefBhByEiwAi2LDHLr5DHeiPDNhjXRL6vQmFxpA2xPLM2Rjc7uyUccX2eyDoRS7IyA37RoCPkYQAvD_BwE
Same link has titanium mounting hardware too… $30 for two boards worth
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I'd be much more interested in low-profile 3/8" nuts for better kingpin clearance, but not interested enough to buy 50 through McMaster-Carr.
That’s a good idea, you could have a looser truck while remaining flush at the top
https://www.acerracing.com/products/3-8-24-titanium-skateboard-truck-kingpin-nuts-2-pieces?variant=14347926896675¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAiA3KefBhByEiwAi2LDHLr5DHeiPDNhjXRL6vQmFxpA2xPLM2Rjc7uyUccX2eyDoRS7IyA37RoCPkYQAvD_BwE
And titanium axle wheel nuts!
I own some of each (not the nut/bolts) and they are much thinner; the nylock seems overly firm and one too many swaps of hardware and they can get finger loose pretty quick. The Kingpin nuts are great tho, especially if you are a set and forget once you have them dialed in.
Thing with axle nuts being thinner is the amount of washers you need to use, keeping them flush there is a TON of play.
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Thing with axle nuts being thinner is the amount of washers you need to use, keeping them flush there is a TON of play.
I have used them with extra washers when running a smaller truck on a wider board just to get a little more width.
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I'd be much more interested in low-profile 3/8" nuts for better kingpin clearance, but not interested enough to buy 50 through McMaster-Carr.
That’s a good idea, you could have a looser truck while remaining flush at the top
All the skate product nuts are actually the low profile variety to start with, for kingpin and axle nuts.
Deck bolts are the only ones that initially came in the taller / standard option, but then with the 7/8" bolts, Shortys and other companies sourced the low profile nuts on them too.
When you compare the standard axle nuts and kingpin nuts, those things are twice as tall, which just don't work that well for anything.
And yes, buying a pack of spare deck bolt nuts is something I should have done a long time ago, but only recently (last few years or so) finally sourced some from ebay and they are exactly the same, either standard or low profile, as the deck bolts almost never wear out, but the nuts need replacing quite often, depending on how often you change out your boards. I like to get them in lots of 200 or so, which equates to 25 full sets, so I don't have single spares. Sure it is madness, but at least then the old ones go in the bucket for spares in the shop if needed, so it all works out.
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Hey all so i use 1" ALLEN KEY only as i skate risers and i have 2 silver bolts on the nose but the brand i use the others are black which wear through and turn silver which drives me nuts , Does the Indy 1" allen stay black ?
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Hey all so i use 1" ALLEN KEY only as i skate risers and i have 2 silver bolts on the nose but the brand i use the others are black which wear through and turn silver which drives me nuts , Does the Indy 1" allen stay black ?
in my experience indy’s tend to wear thru the fastest
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Hey all so i use 1" ALLEN KEY only as i skate risers and i have 2 silver bolts on the nose but the brand i use the others are black which wear through and turn silver which drives me nuts , Does the Indy 1" allen stay black ?
in my experience indy’s tend to wear thru the fastest
Damn :(
Pretty Brand limited in South Africa 🇿🇦
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Hey all so i use 1" ALLEN KEY only as i skate risers and i have 2 silver bolts on the nose but the brand i use the others are black which wear through and turn silver which drives me nuts , Does the Indy 1" allen stay black ?
in my experience indy’s tend to wear thru the fastest
Damn :(
Pretty Brand limited in South Africa 🇿🇦
If you sink bolts little deeper in your deck so they sit lower than griptape you can avoid bolts wearing to silver to some degree.
If they eventually turn silver, just take them of the board them and use black nail polish to color them back to black.
I tried this recently and it does work good enough.
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Hey all so i use 1" ALLEN KEY only as i skate risers and i have 2 silver bolts on the nose but the brand i use the others are black which wear through and turn silver which drives me nuts , Does the Indy 1" allen stay black ?
in my experience indy’s tend to wear thru the fastest
Damn :(
Pretty Brand limited in South Africa 🇿🇦
If you sink bolts little deeper in your deck so they sit lower than griptape you can avoid bolts wearing to silver to some degree.
If they eventually turn silver, just take them of the board them and use black nail polish to color them back to black.
I tried this recently and it does work good enough.
Thanks I'll definitely try the nail polish trick, Glad im not the only one it bothers so much lol
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I got those Girl Longneck bolts. I am loyal to Shorty's Lights, mainly because of the small head.
The Girl bolt heads aren't as small as the Shorty's, but they are the same size as Diamond.
Since I know there are some maniacs on here, and I have a scale...
Shorty's Lights bolts (no nuts) - 22g
Girl Longneck bolts (no nuts) - 26g
Not shiny like Shorty's, matte finish. So maybe they will stay black for longer than one setup.
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Modus 1" Allen for the two blue bolts (instead of the vert line on my grip) and shock pads under my Indy lows. 52mm Spitfires btw
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I got those Girl Longneck bolts. I am loyal to Shorty's Lights, mainly because of the small head.
The Girl bolt heads aren't as small as the Shorty's, but they are the same size as Diamond.
Since I know there are some maniacs on here, and I have a scale...
Shorty's Lights bolts (no nuts) - 22g
Girl Longneck bolts (no nuts) - 26g
Not shiny like Shorty's, matte finish. So maybe they will stay black for longer than one setup.
Did they come with regular nuts or low nuts?
Also did they fit well on whatever board you are using, cast / normal baseplates or forged plates?
Just curious as some other brand of similar bolts don't fit very well, but I made them work on a board with thin risers just to have them on something and not wasted. The threaded part on these ones sure are very minimal.
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So, I have always just used 1" allen bolts. Phillips disgusts me - i know people say they don't burr as easily, but whatever, they look gross.
Anyway, I have always had the issue of my bolts coming a little loose and then ending up with massive ovals in my baseplate holes as opposed to the circles they ought to be, then your trucks aren't straight and it can feel absolutely horrible sometimes. I started tightening them every time I skated, which was irritating, then I started using some Loctite on my bolts, which does work - but I'm not really into that sort of maintenance every time I set up a new board.
Blah, blah, blah - last time I was in this thread we were discussing tap in bolts - I finally found some grind king rocket bolts and I have been running them. Have had no truck wobbles at all, and have no need need for allen or phillips tools - I am slightly bothered that they only give you 8 bolts and 2 are silver, it really should be 10 bolts with 2 optional silver bolts like Modus do with their gross blue directional bolts.
I don't know why other bolts exist. All bolts should be tap in.
They were all the rage in the early 2000s, I feel like lots of companies made them. It's not a gimmick, it's the most sensible approach to mounting hardware. I'm also kind of hyped to have some grind king product on my setup again after 20 or so years.
Are there any other companies currently producing bolts like this?
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Oh, and having little star heads looks cool to me! I'm sure they could be designed round still for those who don't want stars.
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Anyone have experience with a deck being remounted a bunch of times and the bolts really needing to be sunken in there for the proper tightness? I hate seeing it so I've been gripping over the bolts to kinda pull an out of sight out of mind. Also noticed last regrip the top ply has some pressure cracks around the bolt holes probably from so many remounts and countersinking too deep. I only really have madness about this cause I don't want to risk ovalizing the baseplate holes since they're converted/inverted baseplates and must be protected/reused forever if I can manage it. I do use those Ace shock pads which I feel helps lessen the chance of loosening.
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Anyone have experience with a deck being remounted a bunch of times and the bolts really needing to be sunken in there for the proper tightness? I hate seeing it so I've been gripping over the bolts to kinda pull an out of sight out of mind. Also noticed last regrip the top ply has some pressure cracks around the bolt holes probably from so many remounts and countersinking too deep. I only really have madness about this cause I don't want to risk ovalizing the baseplate holes since they're converted/inverted baseplates and must be protected/reused forever if I can manage it. I do use those Ace shock pads which I feel helps lessen the chance of loosening.
Often my usual bolts like Shortys or similar with small heads are great for new boards, but then after a few changes, other bolt brands with bigger heads fit better, or in boards from other people that have been sunk in too far or whatever people do with them.
Usually I wouldn't use the bigger head bolts at all, but I found they work well in those boards that smaller heads have pulled through a bit too far, so they make them look and seem a lot better in that regard, so I keep a number of each on hand in the shop area to use as needed.
Almost all boards will usually end up with stress cracks down the length of the board, so that in itself is not a big deal. Just watch for any that run across or diagonally from the bolts area, as usually they are the ones that are the start of the board breaking or weakening.
As long as the bolts are nice and snug, more so the nuts still retain the nyloc material to keep them tight, there should not need to be an overtightening of the deck bolts, but various things like shock pads, or cut up bike tube or even grip tape stuck to the baseplate will help to stop the trucks moving against the board.
I just put stickers on the board under the trucks, as I have a whole lot of old shop stickers I have cut up to sit nicely under each truck, stuck on to the deck before I set the board up, which I find is just enough to prevent the metal truck on wood issues that some people have, so I don't need a riser or anything else with standard Indy 55 mm height, but I find Thunder or other lower trucks can often do with a 1 or 2 mm thin riser to just give them a touch more clearance with regular sized wheels, which in turn can help to prevent any truck movement on the board too.
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Going back to the nuts thing, the test I use with any is if I can tighten the nut completely on by hand, then the nyloc is done and it goes in the bin or will not be used again. Anything that still keeps the nyloc from letting the nut loosen itself off is good to use again and shouldn't have any problems there.
You can buy replacement nuts from hardware suppliers too, boxes of 100 or more are fairly cheap and keep bolts going for a lot longer than people might use them, or are good to have as spares just in case anyone loses some too.
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This has probably been discussed before, but I just gotta say that the Shortys Light bolts are pretty awful. The nuts keep slipping from my skate tool all the time, I feel like I'm at the risk of not being to remove them anymore at some point.
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BRONZE
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BRONZE
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Said before but worth repeating- shake junt hardware stays black
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This has probably been discussed before, but I just gotta say that the Shortys Light bolts are pretty awful. The nuts keep slipping from my skate tool all the time, I feel like I'm at the risk of not being to remove them anymore at some point.
In no way having a dig at you or anyone else, but the low profile nuts can definitely be a pain with a skate tool that doesn't fit over them very well, or is old and worn out, as per some of the tools I have had to use over the years.
Increasingly now I find that the slim shaft type of tool works so much better for all deck bolt / nut issues and I also try to get the all metal tools, rather than something with a thicker shaft and plastic body. The thicker shaft doesn't fit around the hanger easily, especially on Venture trucks, which then puts the tool at odds with getting over the nut correctly, which then makes any of the slim nuts often slip and make trouble for the user.
The tools that I find work well include the Spitfire tool, Modus tool, one Indy tool and even those small pull apart type tools, although they can be a pain too when they come apart in the middle of using them.
I can't remember if it was in this thread or others, but I know other people had said they are the best tools to use with certain truck / nut combinations like that.
Might have to search and I will post the link, rather than just posting again...
Couldn't find where they were posted last, so just posting a pic of the Spitfire tool.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0475/5337/products/spitfire-tool.jpg)
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Said before but worth repeating- shake junt hardware stays black
Finding bolts that stay black with silver bolts is impossible. I just got those new girl bolts but I'm pretty sure they turn silver too
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This has probably been discussed before, but I just gotta say that the Shortys Light bolts are pretty awful. The nuts keep slipping from my skate tool all the time, I feel like I'm at the risk of not being to remove them anymore at some point.
In no way having a dig at you or anyone else, but the low profile nuts can definitely be a pain with a skate tool that doesn't fit over them very well, or is old and worn out, as per some of the tools I have had to use over the years.
Increasingly now I find that the slim shaft type of tool works so much better for all deck bolt / nut issues and I also try to get the all metal tools, rather than something with a thicker shaft and plastic body. The thicker shaft doesn't fit around the hanger easily, especially on Venture trucks, which then puts the tool at odds with getting over the nut correctly, which then makes any of the slim nuts often slip and make trouble for the user.
The tools that I find work well include the Spitfire tool, Modus tool, one Indy tool and even those small pull apart type tools, although they can be a pain too when they come apart in the middle of using them.
I can't remember if it was in this thread or others, but I know other people had said they are the best tools to use with certain truck / nut combinations like that.
Might have to search and I will post the link, rather than just posting again...
Couldn't find where they were posted last, so just posting a pic of the Spitfire tool.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0475/5337/products/spitfire-tool.jpg)
Yup, I have the Spitfire tool and it works perfectly for me with anything else than the aforementioned Shortys Lights. Not gonna change my tools for a specific bolt/nut, I'm already sorted with Bronze.
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Yup, I have the Spitfire tool and it works perfectly for me with anything else than the aforementioned Shortys Lights. Not gonna change my tools for a specific bolt/nut, I'm already sorted with Bronze.
Ha no I wouldn't change, especially if you have something that works just right, it would be silly to use the other ones.
Funny thing is I don't think I have ever seen Bronze brand bolts anywhere on my travels, or at least don't recall seeing any, but I have probably seen or had them on boards that have come in from people and I just hadn't taken notice.
Looking at their site and other stock pics, they look about the same as most others, slightly bigger heads than Shortys, all black with one bronze bolt and nut in every pack. They certainly have a lot more going on than just bolts too.
I know people have arguments about bolts, so definitely not starting anything here, but are they much the same in physical size as others? Might be harder to get a standard measure of product, even if some of the main suppliers provide bolts to any number of brands, but for now I might go with something like Thunder being maybe the most common bolts everywhere, slightly bigger heads, normal size nuts, two spares in each tube, etc.
Some like Indy bolts are way bigger in the head size, so I don't touch those ones, Enjoi bolts as well, of which there were way too many floating around, usually with the painted bolts and nuts which just didn't want to fit together nicely.
Modus are smaller heads like Shortys, also with two spares per pack and they are everywhere here in AU, but I don't usually hear of many others being that familiar with them, even though they are in Tactics, SW and similar places.
Anyway, that is probably more than enough late night / early morning thoughts and I should go get some sleep.
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Yup, I have the Spitfire tool and it works perfectly for me with anything else than the aforementioned Shortys Lights. Not gonna change my tools for a specific bolt/nut, I'm already sorted with Bronze.
Ha no I wouldn't change, especially if you have something that works just right, it would be silly to use the other ones.
Funny thing is I don't think I have ever seen Bronze brand bolts anywhere on my travels, or at least don't recall seeing any, but I have probably seen or had them on boards that have come in from people and I just hadn't taken notice.
Looking at their site and other stock pics, they look about the same as most others, slightly bigger heads than Shortys, all black with one bronze bolt and nut in every pack. They certainly have a lot more going on than just bolts too.
I know people have arguments about bolts, so definitely not starting anything here, but are they much the same in physical size as others? Might be harder to get a standard measure of product, even if some of the main suppliers provide bolts to any number of brands, but for now I might go with something like Thunder being maybe the most common bolts everywhere, slightly bigger heads, normal size nuts, two spares in each tube, etc.
Some like Indy bolts are way bigger in the head size, so I don't touch those ones, Enjoi bolts as well, of which there were way too many floating around, usually with the painted bolts and nuts which just didn't want to fit together nicely.
Modus are smaller heads like Shortys, also with two spares per pack and they are everywhere here in AU, but I don't usually hear of many others being that familiar with them, even though they are in Tactics, SW and similar places.
Anyway, that is probably more than enough late night / early morning thoughts and I should go get some sleep.
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Yeah man all good, to each their own and I'm glad if peeps can enjoy smaller heads with no difficulties. Bolts are bolts, most often they're really not an issue. Was just surprised of the effect of the smaller nuts, was under the impression that they're all the same size regardless of brand.
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are there any bolts have little spine on them that are avalible?
not like hammer bolts, or it's just my imagination?
I think I'm tripped into hardware madness.
(https://i.ibb.co/GxXLqrq/NORMAL.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GxXLqrq)
(https://i.ibb.co/xfjtq7T/HAMMER.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xfjtq7T)
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are there any bolts have little spine on them that are avalible?
not like hammer bolts, or it's just my imagination?
I think I'm tripped into hardware madness.
(https://i.ibb.co/GxXLqrq/NORMAL.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GxXLqrq)
(https://i.ibb.co/xfjtq7T/HAMMER.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xfjtq7T)
The ace hollow bolts have that on the countersink where you marked in red
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7/8 Phillips Shorty's.
Just better than Allen for the screw grip.
Allen tend to get rounded with time.
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are there any bolts have little spine on them that are avalible?
not like hammer bolts, or it's just my imagination?
I think I'm tripped into hardware madness.
(https://i.ibb.co/GxXLqrq/NORMAL.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GxXLqrq)
(https://i.ibb.co/xfjtq7T/HAMMER.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xfjtq7T)
The ace hollow bolts have that on the countersink where you marked in red
thanks
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Anyone else painting their bolts? I make sure that the front truck bolts' heads are white.
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Anyone else painting their bolts? I make sure that the front truck bolts' heads are white.
We used to scratch off the tops of two to go in the two front holes when there were no silverado or similar bolts available. I still take off the coloured tops, combination of blade and steel wool, even use a sharp wood screw to get down inside of the blue, red or other coloured indicator bolts so I have two silvers up front and the rest black, which might sound like a bit of work, but I think they turn out ok and don't look bad. That is with a single full sheet of black grip.
If I do cut grip jobs, as in a couple of very thin lines through the grip at different places, then I just run the bolts all black.
I have also painted bolts black again, from them wearing off, or if they were other colours, but people have said nail polish works best for that sort of thing.
Most common bolts I get now are Shortys, both plain and Silverado 7/8" either Phillips or Allen, Thunder Allen bolts which have eight black and two gold in the 7/8" size, but others like the Andale bolts had two metallic blue and six black. They were the ones I scraped off.
Modus also have the eight black and two blue, but I haven't had those in a while, even though I still have lots of them, new in packs in the shop.
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Anyone else painting their bolts? I make sure that the front truck bolts' heads are white.
Def. I try to stay with Thunder Green bolts. They are my shit.
i wish indy had a green soft bushing. Otherwise i go lowering kit.
3ply Green dlx risers.
Green top Purple bottom.
if i coud get big ass orange f4s id be made.
i like As many colour plys as possible on the sides.
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Anyone else painting their bolts? I make sure that the front truck bolts' heads are white.
Yeah I've painted up a few sets but not commonly. I've done indicator bolts and painted some black when they were becoming silver
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Anyone else painting their bolts? I make sure that the front truck bolts' heads are white.
Yup, do that sometimes.I use thick enamel paint cause reg spraycan paint wears off prett quick.
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This has probably been discussed before, but I just gotta say that the Shortys Light bolts are pretty awful. The nuts keep slipping from my skate tool all the time, I feel like I'm at the risk of not being to remove them anymore at some point.
As a shortys loyalist I have always hated this about the lights. Like how much weight are you really saving by having a nut so thin it slips? Believe me I’d had to baby them a few times to not saw them off from slippage.
I just run them if the original is out of Allen head.
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Damn I snap ace hollow bolts in just 2 sesh, the part it breaks was even in the mount hole, never had problem with regular hardware.
I missed my noseslide, front truck ride onto the ledge, smashed my rear inner bolt. I was lucky to recover this nut and part of the bolt, my friend found it, I didn't know I break it .
maybe they should bring out solid ones, the anti slip edge really worked tho.
(https://i.ibb.co/JzNq3sn/BOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JzNq3sn)
(https://i.ibb.co/r4xCMz5/BBOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r4xCMz5)
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Damn I snap ace hollow bolts in just 2 sesh, the part it breaks was even in the mount hole, never had problem with regular hardware.
I missed my noseslide, front truck ride onto the ledge, smashed my rear inner bolt. I was lucky to recover this nut and part of the bolt, my friend found it, I didn't know I break it .
maybe they should bring out solid ones, the anti slip edge really worked tho.
(https://i.ibb.co/JzNq3sn/BOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JzNq3sn)
(https://i.ibb.co/r4xCMz5/BBOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r4xCMz5)
Woah. Never seen a broken bolt in ~20 years of skating. That's kinda impressive. Still a bummer.
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not very weird, i've broken tons of bolts over the years. from snapped off heads and ones just like this, usually right at the nut and baseplate though from skating.
the snapped off heads seems to happen only when tightening ime.
this is why i replace hardware after a few setups.
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What exactly do I search for online to buy the low-profile nuts that come with Shorty's Lights hardware?
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Damn I snap ace hollow bolts in just 2 sesh, the part it breaks was even in the mount hole, never had problem with regular hardware.
I missed my noseslide, front truck ride onto the ledge, smashed my rear inner bolt. I was lucky to recover this nut and part of the bolt, my friend found it, I didn't know I break it .
maybe they should bring out solid ones, the anti slip edge really worked tho.
(https://i.ibb.co/JzNq3sn/BOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JzNq3sn)
(https://i.ibb.co/r4xCMz5/BBOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r4xCMz5)
are those washers under the hollow hardware? that won't help.
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Damn I snap ace hollow bolts in just 2 sesh, the part it breaks was even in the mount hole, never had problem with regular hardware.
I missed my noseslide, front truck ride onto the ledge, smashed my rear inner bolt. I was lucky to recover this nut and part of the bolt, my friend found it, I didn't know I break it .
maybe they should bring out solid ones, the anti slip edge really worked tho.
(https://i.ibb.co/JzNq3sn/BOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JzNq3sn)
(https://i.ibb.co/r4xCMz5/BBOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r4xCMz5)
are those washers under the hollow hardware? that won't help.
those are nordlock washers, I was testing them, sometimes locktite still came loose, not sure it's the nut or bolt rotatinig in normal set up.
(https://i.ibb.co/R65vpjC/NL.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R65vpjC)
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50 pack of slim nuts for mounting hardware
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077DJ8YK4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
(https://i.imgur.com/6lFNCywl.png)
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there needs to be a list of bolts with small heads (for us normal people) and large ones (for freaks).
That would be an interesting one, but I guess it just comes down to where brands get their bolts.
Some more generic brands seem to have the bigger heads, which are easier to come by on ebay (which is why I don't get them) but then some seem to get the exact size, shape, etc as Shortys and other good brands.
I guess it is subjective, like everything in skateboarding, where some people prefer bigger heads and others prefer smaller heads. Never had a problem doing bolts up too much and the smaller heads just work so much better for me anyway, so I always stick with those, but I have seen where some people almost pull the bolt through their deck either not paying attention or thinking they constantly need to do them up tighter or whatever.
This might also come down to the fact that any and every nut is only as good as the nyloc on it, which is why I have bought bulk spare nuts to swap out as needed.
Back to the question, list of smaller heads that I can think of right this minute that I have seen or used (but also being in AU so we don't get half of those brands that the USA does) includes:
Shortys
Modus
Thunder
Element (look like Shortys bolts)
Shake Junt
Pig
Andale
Primitive
Diamond
Bolts I have seen with heads that are bigger than I like:
Indy
HKD
Lucky
Bones
Mini Logo
Enjoi
Almost
Universal
Hey, I realise this is an ancient post but I'm having a mare finding replacement nuts for my hardware. I remember you saying you lived in Aus. I live in NZ and I'm having trouble finding replacement (shorter) nuts in 10-32 unf measurement. Seems most places are only stocking metric. Is the M5 metric the same measurement or equivalent to 10-32 unf?
Cheers, hope you understand what I'm trying to say!
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Hey, I realise this is an ancient post but I'm having a mare finding replacement nuts for my hardware. I remember you saying you lived in Aus. I live in NZ and I'm having trouble finding replacement (shorter) nuts in 10-32 unf measurement. Seems most places are only stocking metric. Is the M5 metric the same measurement or equivalent to 10-32 unf?
Cheers, hope you understand what I'm trying to say!
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/182438925274
Qty 200 Jam Nyloc Nut 3/16" (10-32) UNF Zinc Plated Steel Grade 5 Lock Insert ZP
That is the ebay link to the low nuts I have been getting which are the right everything for skateboard deck bolts of any brand.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/122705348915
Zinc Plated 3/16" (10-32) UNF Imperial Fine Hex Nyloc Insert Nut Grade 5
That is the link to the regular nuts that I got recently too, also just right for any and every skateboard deck bolt I have ever tried them on.
As to the other type / size / metric conversion, I think people have had mixed results in the past, so I would be wary of getting any without trying one on a deck bolt first, as I know they can be different threads, slightly this or that, which means they will not fit at all with any normal skateboard hardware and only fit on their same make bolts which are more often for other uses.
Hope that helps, but not sure if the AU links deliver to NZ - worth a shot anyway, but I usually buy bulk to save, using them on boards in the shop as well as for myself.
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Ah thank you so much! You are a legend!
Hopefully shipping isn't too bad to NZ. Yes I was about to try the M5 nuts but thought I'd try asking - seems it's best to keep with the standard imperial measurements!
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Ah thank you so much! You are a legend!
Hopefully shipping isn't too bad to NZ. Yes I was about to try the M5 nuts but thought I'd try asking - seems it's best to keep with the standard imperial measurements!
m5 should work, make sure threading is same
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Best bolts hands down, made in Reno,NV!
https://biggestlittleskateboardco.com/collections/hardware
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Best bolts hands down, made in Reno,NV!
https://biggestlittleskateboardco.com/collections/hardware
No allen head?
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Best bolts hands down, made in Reno,NV!
https://biggestlittleskateboardco.com/collections/hardware
No allen head?
Would be interested if Allen head.
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Damn I snap ace hollow bolts in just 2 sesh, the part it breaks was even in the mount hole, never had problem with regular hardware.
I missed my noseslide, front truck ride onto the ledge, smashed my rear inner bolt. I was lucky to recover this nut and part of the bolt, my friend found it, I didn't know I break it .
maybe they should bring out solid ones, the anti slip edge really worked tho.
(https://i.ibb.co/JzNq3sn/BOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JzNq3sn)
(https://i.ibb.co/r4xCMz5/BBOLT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r4xCMz5)
Woah. Never seen a broken bolt in ~20 years of skating. That's kinda impressive. Still a bummer.
Hubba and mini logo hardware, I’ve broken just from tightening them.
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Just set up those Ace hollow bolts for the first time, hope mine don't snap too lol.
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Just set up those Ace hollow bolts for the first time, hope mine don't snap too lol.
i have been riding them since they came out, have 4 different sets ups going with them, no issues.
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Just set up those Ace hollow bolts for the first time, hope mine don't snap too lol.
i have been riding them since they came out, have 4 different sets ups going with them, no issues.
Nice. Yeah been bashing slappies no issues yet. I like the way they look, always been a phillips enjoyer but the larger heads with the allen hole is a nice change. Can't see the hollow aspect unless you look real close but still a trip, has hollow skate hardware ever existed til now? They might be the first there.
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+1 to bender bolts. Been skating these on my current setup and there are zero signs of them turning silver. Head size is very similar to shorty's lights, but are much easier to make flush against the griptape. They also sent like 20 stickers for my one order of bolts
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Do you know similar bolts to bender that can be found in Europe ? The won’t ship sadly.
The always black + small head and easier to make flush sound like perfection
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Philips
better grip
one colored on the front
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Anyone know of hardware that has the microgripper thing, but is phillips? I had a set a while ago and really enjoyed that feature when setting up new boards. Bolts would always be flush.
Right now on Indy 1" phillips and I really like the crosshatch on the head of the bolt. Any other brands that do something similar?
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Just set up those Ace hollow bolts for the first time, hope mine don't snap too lol.
i have been riding them since they came out, have 4 different sets ups going with them, no issues.
Nice. Yeah been bashing slappies no issues yet. I like the way they look, always been a phillips enjoyer but the larger heads with the allen hole is a nice change. Can't see the hollow aspect unless you look real close but still a trip, has hollow skate hardware ever existed til now? They might be the first there.
Mine have not snapped, but when setting up a new deck I noticed that with several bolts the threads sheared off making them unusable.
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Set up new deck, so new bolts and it’s the longneck from Girl.
They work. They’re bolts. The nylon lock is really strong. Let’s see if the black scrapes off as quick as Thunder hardware.
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Anyone know of hardware that has the microgripper thing, but is phillips? I had a set a while ago and really enjoyed that feature when setting up new boards. Bolts would always be flush.
Right now on Indy 1" phillips and I really like the crosshatch on the head of the bolt. Any other brands that do something similar?
Yeah I like it too. Was even better when they produced "Crossbolts" - The heads would wear away to show the dreaded Iron Cross. I stocked up on a few sets haha
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Do people use new bolts when setting up a new deck?
My Magenta bolts are on their second year now.
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Do people use new bolts when setting up a new deck?
My Magenta bolts are on their second year now.
Nah, the bolts go with the trucks. They last for ages.
BTW Bronze bolts for lyphe. Solid as. And gotta have that bronze indicator bolt.
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Do people use new bolts when setting up a new deck?
My Magenta bolts are on their second year now.
Nah, the bolts go with the trucks. They last for ages.
BTW Bronze bolts for lyphe. Solid as. And gotta have that bronze indicator bolt.
I might have way too many new sets ready to go, but more often than not I use the same bolts, just use new nuts if the old nuts are getting a bit worn in the nyloc, eg if you can put the nuts on all the way with your fingers (no tools) it is time to swap in new nuts, so from that I don't need new bolts much at all.
Fresh grip with new bolts looks nice though.
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Allen/hex key and Philips are such garbage screw heads.
Someone should make a Robertson bolt company and name it Sideshow Roberts or something more clever and less stupid.
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Allen/hex key and Philips are such garbage screw heads.
Someone should make a Robertson bolt company and name it Sideshow Roberts or something more clever and less stupid.
I believe skull skates sells Robertson hardware.
http://www.skullskates.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1_73/products_id/1575/osCsid/bf82ea814d68a1e09b965d9831b2379a
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Regripped my board, grip over bolts, running ace hollow bolts with fresh nuts and I have never been more confident my hardware is not coming loose for eternity lol.
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Regripped my board, grip over bolts, running ace hollow bolts with fresh nuts and I have never been more confident my hardware is not coming loose for eternity lol.
Respect.
Grip over bolts is always insane to me, but if you're going to do it, might as well fully commit.
I heard HKD or FKD or someone else used to do gripper bolts, too.
If I ever find a set of 7/8 Randoms I would totally buy em for the curiosity. Never had em back then.
My current go to is the Girl Longneck 7/8 Allen, and I put low profile nuts on after the first setup.
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Regripped my board, grip over bolts, running ace hollow bolts with fresh nuts and I have never been more confident my hardware is not coming loose for eternity lol.
Respect.
Grip over bolts is always insane to me, but if you're going to do it, might as well fully commit.
I heard HKD or FKD or someone else used to do gripper bolts, too.
If I ever find a set of 7/8 Randoms I would totally buy em for the curiosity. Never had em back then.
My current go to is the Girl Longneck 7/8 Allen, and I put low profile nuts on after the first setup.
Too bad shipping costs too much, cause I have a box of Randoms that it seems no one wants, lots of different types, sizes / top heads too, but the grip ones with the little knobs I think are more just for the look than anything else.
Also the 7/8" bolts always were a pain to get into the board far enough to start to get your bolts on, at least for those dudes that had them at the skateparks setting up their boards without a hammer anyway. The longer ones, you could just put through, start to do them up and they would pull right in easily enough.
Fun looking at them now though, as I used to have them on all my boards back in the day, but just run plain simple bolts like Shortys or similar without any issues.