Does anybody remember what a "gazelle out" was?

[Youoverthere]

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Originally it was the pivoted (nollie?) 360, and then THPS came out with Mullen's special trick in the game being the 'gazelle underflip' where he throws an extra underflip in there, but in his trick the board also spins an extra 180 (underflips are harder to do 'straight' in general), which all the new generations subsequently interpreted as gazelle being the same thing without the flip.

I don't even try naming those bigspin tricks because it just seems like everyone has their take on them, some say biggerspin for the variation where you spin 180 with the board, some for the 360. In my head I just call the 'modern' 'gazelles' 360 bigspins (or cab bigspins when fakie), but even that can be confusing as freestylers have their own nomenclature for bigspins, for instance they use the term 360 bigspin for the bigspin where your board spins 540 as the rotation of the board in relation to the body is what they count.

So really calling those tricks anything is always bound to confuse the other person, I usually just describe it instead (and low-key appreciate it when people use the original gazelle term properly).

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Sweet Christ you did your homework.

right! silhouette always hooks it up with the knowledge.

[Hyliannightmare]

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Originally it was the pivoted (nollie?) 360, and then THPS came out with Mullen's special trick in the game being the 'gazelle underflip' where he throws an extra underflip in there, but in his trick the board also spins an extra 180 (underflips are harder to do 'straight' in general), which all the new generations subsequently interpreted as gazelle being the same thing without the flip.

I don't even try naming those bigspin tricks because it just seems like everyone has their take on them, some say biggerspin for the variation where you spin 180 with the board, some for the 360. In my head I just call the 'modern' 'gazelles' 360 bigspins (or cab bigspins when fakie), but even that can be confusing as freestylers have their own nomenclature for bigspins, for instance they use the term 360 bigspin for the bigspin where your board spins 540 as the rotation of the board in relation to the body is what they count.

So really calling those tricks anything is always bound to confuse the other person, I usually just describe it instead (and low-key appreciate it when people use the original gazelle term properly).

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Sweet Christ you did your homework.

Right. What a post

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

Mullen’s trick in THPS should have been called hellipop underflip tho no?

[j....soy.....]

I always assumed a lot of the trick names were made up on the spot for some of the crazy stuff in video games - gazelle has always meant pivoting 270 out of a trick to me, as I learned the term in the 90's when everyone was doing it out of noseslides on curbs.

You'll have to ignore that the photog's shutter speed wasn't fast enough to catch the first 5-0 grind (hence why the sequence seems to make no sense from frame 3 - 4... I actually think they forgot to/didnt print the missing frames), but the dismount is a gazelle out, as evidenced by the caption.



So there's what it meant in the early 90's. I've never heard anyone call a 360 where the board goes 540 a gazelle, but I've never seen anyone do that in person either. If it got adopted to mean something else as it seems to have done in the early 90's from something else, then I wasn't aware of it.

That lore you speak of may be freestyle...as much as there's a bunch of Rodney stuff that was adopted... There was a ton which wasn't.....I'm thinking of that thrasher article where Rodney has like ten new tricks or something....no one adopted or cared about any of it until THPS, which we can try and discount but in hindsight it's not really less meaningful than some shitty caption.....

[Getty]

I was there in the 80s for this & in my area (SF Bay Area) initially a gazelle & helipop were the same thing (360 bs nollie) & it started on flatground with Rodney.

The first dude's post had it right that "gazelle out" started being used when everyone was pivoting out of manual & ledge tricks like crazy for awhile there. I didn't hear that stuff called "to revert" or "270 out" til later.

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

I was there in the 80s for this & in my area (SF Bay Area) initially a gazelle & helipop were the same thing (360 bs nollie) & it started on flatground with Rodney.

The first dude's post had it right that "gazelle out" started being used when everyone was pivoting out of manual & ledge tricks like crazy for awhile there. I didn't hear that stuff called "to revert" or "270 out" til later.

that makes sense then!

[Hefe43]

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Is it only gazelle out if it’s on a ledge or what?

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I'd say yes, or out of manual, I typically see it as the action of planting your nose down then reverting which ever way, whereas if you do it on a flatground trick it's a smoother type of revert that usually goes with the flow of the trick. I remember learning b/s 180's out of manual and 5-0 with that technique at first, it's not practical but it's easy and helps you understand the way you need to spin before you just learn to scoop out and do it in the air.

About helipops being called gazelles, I've definitely heard it from different skaters from the 80's and different areas but the difference was for a gazelle you wouldn't pop, just 'Chinese nollie' style it and pivot around which I guess really kind of goes together with how one gazelles out of curb tricks, so it makes sense to me when I hear it.

When did this become a thing and why? I always thought Chinese knockoff but who coined the term and did it start after Chinese popsicles in the 2000s?

[silhouette]

When did this become a thing and why? I always thought Chinese knockoff but who coined the term and did it start after Chinese popsicles in the 2000s?

I'm not a big fan of the term but I needed it to communicate the idea here; can't say crack nollie if there's no crack and you're just using the bushing. It definitely predates the Chinese manufacturing of most boards, I always heard from skaters from the late 80's.

[krapnek]

i'm really old, 47, and skated in the late 80s in jersey.  tricks trickled down to us from towns closer to nyc and the associated skaters, shut folks like kepper and felix.  we said chinese ollie when we popped off a crack in the sidewalk.  in retrospect people were dong actual nollies at that point (check out gonz and tommy in the savanah slamma vid from '87, blender in tempe in '86), but we did not know it nor did we hear that term.  we said gazelle rather than helipop with the understanding there really was no popping going on. just a kind of sassy pivot thing. we saw ray barbee do them in public domain.

[Arto!Arto!WakeUp!]

as someone who started skating in early 2000s, i've only ever known gazelle as the umbrella term for tricks in which the board spins 540 and the body 360 (same direction). for example, i'd call the trick in PJ's ender line a fakie bs gazelle kickflip.

I thought it came from freestyle and that it originally only applied to the nollie (or off the nose at least) frontside version.

cool to learn the fuller history.

as far as 'bigger' goes, for me that's definitely 540 and 180 body.

[Featherdale wildlife park]

Most everyone I seen do a body jar looked at me like I was fucken idiot for calling it a body jar
Kids these daze...

[SneakySecrets]

Most everyone I seen do a body jar looked at me like I was fucken idiot for calling it a body jar
Kids these daze...

Dude it’s 2020, the preferred term is corporeal vessel.

[kid casserole]