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Re: Skate Church Thread…
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2023, 09:29:22 AM »
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I helped close one of these by buying booze for the teens who hung out. There were kids puking in the bushes of the church.
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Why would you admit to this?
Why not? I’m almost 49 and these “kids” are now in their mid-30s.

The skate scene here at the time already had a sizable DIY park situated downtown, the university campus, and some other strip mall curb spots. The church spot was superfluous and definitely trying to exploit and indoctrinate.

I didn’t buy them booze with the intention of them getting hammered at the church. It was just a happy accident and a sight to behold.

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Re: Skate Church Thread…
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2023, 09:32:29 AM »
Dang, you guys had skate churches? When I was a teenager, most of the youth oriented churches in my area were more hyper focused on “christian metalcore” shows than anything skateboarding related. It was definitely as bad as it sounds. Despite my aversion to religion (my entire family are Jehovahs witnesses and I realized it was all utter bullshit at a young age), I would have been down to skate at some of the places you guys have described. Especially the ones that don’t prioritize proselytizing.

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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2023, 10:22:03 AM »
I grew up very Christian, and having a skate program was huge for me. I was able to have an outlet to be creative and get my energy out that had nothing to do with feeling guilty about so many things or esoteric theology. It had the opposite effect the church intended unfortunately, skateboarding led me to meet lots of people of different walks of life and i began to question why the church has so many discriminatory views about them. Thanks for giving me a path out!

Unfortunately with the church linked, this is an incredibly common branding exercise that so many modern evangelical churches engage in. They appear inclusive, young and progressive in their marketing materials and social media, but at their heart, they still see LGBTQ+ people as sinners and refuse to allow openly queer people to participate in church activities or leadership unless they are either celebate (a standard that literally no other church member who "struggles" with "sexual impurity" is held to) or "convert" aka not gay/trans/nb. It's incredibly ignorant and harmful, and many young queer people that grow up in the church are saddled with self loathing or sent to a gay conversion camp which are basically torture camps for queer people.


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Re: Skate Church Thread…
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2023, 11:27:11 AM »
I grew up very Christian, and having a skate program was huge for me. I was able to have an outlet to be creative and get my energy out that had nothing to do with feeling guilty about so many things or esoteric theology. It had the opposite effect the church intended unfortunately, skateboarding led me to meet lots of people of different walks of life and i began to question why the church has so many discriminatory views about them. Thanks for giving me a path out!

Unfortunately with the church linked, this is an incredibly common branding exercise that so many modern evangelical churches engage in. They appear inclusive, young and progressive in their marketing materials and social media, but at their heart, they still see LGBTQ+ people as sinners and refuse to allow openly queer people to participate in church activities or leadership unless they are either celebate (a standard that literally no other church member who "struggles" with "sexual impurity" is held to) or "convert" aka not gay/trans/nb. It's incredibly ignorant and harmful, and many young queer people that grow up in the church are saddled with self loathing or sent to a gay conversion camp which are basically torture camps for queer people.

well written.

It is incredibly disheartening to see churches have such a black and white judgement on outsider groups such as the LGBTQ+ community. The historical Jesus spent almost all of his time outside of the church, caring for those who have been deemed as "sinful" and concludes that even in their "sin," those outsiders were generally more accepting and caring than the church leaders.

The judgement that church (many individual christians) have today is not much different from the ones who were responsible for the death of Jesus. I find it ironic and sad that an institution that boasts inclusivity and love still struggles with the same surface level judgement and problems of a civilization that lived 2000 years ago. 

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Re: Skate Church Thread…
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2023, 12:07:37 PM »
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I grew up very Christian, and having a skate program was huge for me. I was able to have an outlet to be creative and get my energy out that had nothing to do with feeling guilty about so many things or esoteric theology. It had the opposite effect the church intended unfortunately, skateboarding led me to meet lots of people of different walks of life and i began to question why the church has so many discriminatory views about them. Thanks for giving me a path out!

Unfortunately with the church linked, this is an incredibly common branding exercise that so many modern evangelical churches engage in. They appear inclusive, young and progressive in their marketing materials and social media, but at their heart, they still see LGBTQ+ people as sinners and refuse to allow openly queer people to participate in church activities or leadership unless they are either celebate (a standard that literally no other church member who "struggles" with "sexual impurity" is held to) or "convert" aka not gay/trans/nb. It's incredibly ignorant and harmful, and many young queer people that grow up in the church are saddled with self loathing or sent to a gay conversion camp which are basically torture camps for queer people.
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well written.

It is incredibly disheartening to see churches have such a black and white judgement on outsider groups such as the LGBTQ+ community. The historical Jesus spent almost all of his time outside of the church, caring for those who have been deemed as "sinful" and concludes that even in their "sin," those outsiders were generally more accepting and caring than the church leaders.

The judgement that church (many individual christians) have today is not much different from the ones who were responsible for the death of Jesus. I find it ironic and sad that an institution that boasts inclusivity and love still struggles with the same surface level judgement and problems of a civilization that lived 2000 years ago.

Some of Jesus' harshest words in the new testament are reserved for the pharisees and people who used the church to profit off the needy or exclude people he saw as needing salvation. Sadly these are most of the people who have gained prominence in Christian culture. Swindlers, the uber wealthy, MLM scammers, crypto currency snake oil salesmen. All of these people are not only welcome but incredibly popular. And much of the texts that Christians use today to persecute LGBTQ+ people are either levitical law that literally no one follows to the letter, the letters of Paul (who was not Jesus and just an early church figure, but go off i guess), or Sodom and Gomorrah (which has more to do with a mob that wants to rape Lot's guests than being gay specifically)

Not that any of that matters. So much of church structures are completely calcified, and skewing older and older as more young people peel off when they realize that a lot of the core of current evangelical culture is racist and discriminatory. And many people would rather leave than try and reform because the structure and the people who populate it is so rotten


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Re: Skate Church Thread…
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2023, 12:08:19 PM »
I just read that interview with Brian Sumner on Jenkem and I was thinking "what a fucking judgemental kook this guy is"

I don't care if you're Christian, but Jesus hung out with whores, with all kinds of scum of society (for the record I don't consider prostitutes scum at all) and he LOVED them. Brian Sumner is like "let me name drop a bunch of white guys and tell you you're going to hell." Judgemential piece of shit. Also with 3rd grad argumenst against evolution, SMH.

Fuck him and any god that isn't there for everyone. Fuck these hateful assholes trying to infiltrate skateboarding to sell their uninclusive religion.

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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2023, 12:26:31 PM »
I grew up very Christian, and having a skate program was huge for me. I was able to have an outlet to be creative and get my energy out that had nothing to do with feeling guilty about so many things or esoteric theology. It had the opposite effect the church intended unfortunately, skateboarding led me to meet lots of people of different walks of life and i began to question why the church has so many discriminatory views about them. Thanks for giving me a path out!

Unfortunately with the church linked, this is an incredibly common branding exercise that so many modern evangelical churches engage in. They appear inclusive, young and progressive in their marketing materials and social media, but at their heart, they still see LGBTQ+ people as sinners and refuse to allow openly queer people to participate in church activities or leadership unless they are either celebate (a standard that literally no other church member who "struggles" with "sexual impurity" is held to) or "convert" aka not gay/trans/nb. It's incredibly ignorant and harmful, and many young queer people that grow up in the church are saddled with self loathing or sent to a gay conversion camp which are basically torture camps for queer people.
Thanks for the insight, Dale. Wasn't Moses Itkonen part of one of those gay conversion camps?

Edit: yeah found it: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120542.msg3819195#msg3819195
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Re: Skate Church Thread…
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2023, 12:34:54 PM »
I’m reading The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky and Christianity as it is depicted in the story from Elder Zosima and the main character Alyosha make it much more wise and compassionate. Also, at the beginning of the book, the bros’ narcissistic dad makes a glory hole related joke to a priest and it’s fucking hilarious.

I finished that book not too long ago, and without wanting to spoil it, man there is definitely not a satisfying ending. Dostoyevsky jumps around a lot and has great character development, but I think the story line may suffer as a result of wanting to include too much information and asides. The Possessed is a good Dostoyevsky read if you're digging his style.
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Re: Skate Church Thread…
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2023, 12:54:46 PM »
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I’m reading The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky and Christianity as it is depicted in the story from Elder Zosima and the main character Alyosha make it much more wise and compassionate. Also, at the beginning of the book, the bros’ narcissistic dad makes a glory hole related joke to a priest and it’s fucking hilarious.
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I finished that book not too long ago, and without wanting to spoil it, man there is definitely not a satisfying ending. Dostoyevsky jumps around a lot and has great character development, but I think the story line may suffer as a result of wanting to include too much information and asides. The Possessed is a good Dostoyevsky read if you're digging his style.

I think Crime and Punishment is second to none.
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« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2023, 01:00:20 PM »
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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2023, 01:01:50 PM »
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I know it's boomer tier to complain about the acronym being too long but... come on... surely there is a less complex way to say this

I thought they called it the Alphabet Mob or Alphabet Gang.
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« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2023, 01:08:41 PM »
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I know it's boomer tier to complain about the acronym being too long but... come on... surely there is a less complex way to say this

It's meant to be an inclusive acronym so people feel represented. 

Other folks just say queer as a catch-all.

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« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2023, 01:17:21 PM »
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One I went to wasnt much of a church but fridays you could get in for free if you attended their church seminar thing (mass?). Everyone had to stop skating to move the obstacles and stuff out the way to help set up chairs. Some goofballs would preach. It was only like 30 minutes long but the preaching was over the top and I refuse to pay to skate a skatepark, so I only went there like twice. They couldnt afford the property/heating costs so they tore down half of the building. And it’s no longer affiliated with religion. Idk why anyone pays money to skate in that cramped little building, it’s always crowded as hell too. There’s plenty of covered parking garages in the area
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Wait are you talking about the Skatuary in Colorado?

I tried to go to that free Friday thing once and it was so crowded I left after like 5 mins. I know one of the guys running the place did that crazy 50-50 on the S handrail to open up the montage in Modus Operandi. He had dreadlocks and gave off awful born again Christian vibes but was friendly enough. Not sure if it’s the same people running it but there’s a Skatuary in Steambutt now.

Now in the half park that’s left some of the guys who work there wear Cariumas, which is almost as bad.
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« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2023, 01:35:13 PM »



Had some skate churches around in my youth. Actually, now that I think about it, those were the only skate parks in my town. None of them were good enough for me to actually think of when we were trying to figure out where to skate.  They also had helmet requirements.
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« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2023, 01:50:38 PM »
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I’m reading The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky and Christianity as it is depicted in the story from Elder Zosima and the main character Alyosha make it much more wise and compassionate. Also, at the beginning of the book, the bros’ narcissistic dad makes a glory hole related joke to a priest and it’s fucking hilarious.
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I finished that book not too long ago, and without wanting to spoil it, man there is definitely not a satisfying ending. Dostoyevsky jumps around a lot and has great character development, but I think the story line may suffer as a result of wanting to include too much information and asides. The Possessed is a good Dostoyevsky read if you're digging his style.
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I think Crime and Punishment is second to none.

Have it on my nightstand, next in line to read!

On the topic of skate churches, there was one that had some prevalence in my hometown for a few years as well. Started off as JUST an indoor skatepark - sick. The owner was an ex-corporate guy in his late 30's who lived an extravagant lifestyle, but left the corporate world after cheating on his wife in an elevator with some chick from his office. Forgot to mention they also had a very handicapped child who was not expected to live past 5. So his wife is at home taking care of their child 24/7, while he's out buying sports cars and hooking up with strangers. After his extramaritals were brought to light, he salvaged his marriage by "finding god again" and quitting his corporate job to....open an indoor skatepark as God had instructed him to.

He had a company called "Glory skateboards", which actually used to hook up Eduardo Craig back in the day and somehow had a decent team. He had toyed around with owning a skateboard company prior to corporate life, but abandoned it for the corporate job as it probably was a time drain and costing too much. This dude was a total "I used to skate" type, who could roll around on the ramps and not much else.

Anyways, the park is pretty fun at first, but the guy in charge is just too much for a lot of the older kids who are immediately turned off by him. He criticized clothes kids would wear if they were the wrong brands, music kids would listen to, hairstyles, tattoo's and piercings, etc. Just tried to clown on you if you weren't right with the lord. As you can imagine, skate church began to become a thing. 30 minute sermon on Friday nights, get to skate for free for 2 hours and he bought pizza for everyone - super cool. Sermons at first were generally agreeable topics, be a good person, do the right thing, God loves you. The cracks started to show over time though. One of the older guys who helped with the park, really great guy actually and he shredded, was doing 360 flip noseslides down hubbas in the late 90's, was giving a sermon one night and favorite bands came up. One kid said ACDC and the speaker said something along the lines of "not my taste, but hey good for you for listening to older music and having an open mind". Really nice inclusive feeling. Afterwards, the owner stopped everyone before they got up to go skate again and made it a point to say that ACDC is the Devil's music and he needed to stop listening to it immediately. The kid who felt validated moments prior, then got bright red and was immediately just ostracized and embarrassed. On a different day, he did a whole sermon about which brands are against god, and I don't recall the whole list but do specifically remember Volcom being on there. The argument, Volcom stands for anti-establishment, and the establishment is an extension of god's will. Anti-establishment = hates god.

The pizza stopped coming. 30 minutes turned into an hour. Friday nights became Friday night AND Sunday morning. The "free" session afterwards only applied if you had paid to get in BEFORE the sermon. Half the park was then taken out for pews and a stage. No skating anymore on Sundays at all. The ramps fell into disrepair, holes went unpatched, screws left sticking out, wax was nowhere to be found.

Church started having guest speakers and shit. A lady came in once who was teaching people how to speak in tongues. "Just let the heavenly spirit flow through you and take over your body." A line of people formed up to the stage, and one by one they were all "taught how to speak in tongues". That was pretty much the moment I thought to myself, "What the fuck is this? These people are all lying, is this a cult?" The owner began passing out a form that was for "minimum required donations" based off your household income. I just stopped going altogether.

I had an interesting personal relationship with the owner during my time there however. He sponsored me and some friends, had us skating demos, even flew me out to Indiana for a skatepark opening one time. The demos were so wack for the most part. He would charge people hundreds of dollars (if not more) to rent out his "professional skateboarding team" for events. This entailed us stacking wooden ramps Tetris style into the back of a pickup truck, and driving to the location, then pulling everything out ourselves and setting it all up. Some event's were cool, we did demos at some schools, and some festival type settings, once at a mini golf course. Some were so extremely awkward I'm embarrassed now even. We did a birthday party in San Bernardino once and there was an immediate language barrier. Myself and the other kid skating + the teenager (non-skater) who drove the truck did not speak Spanish. We didn't bring any ramps to this one at all. For some reason, the birthday kid's mom thought we were bringing the loop and other crazy shit, she got Tony Hawk Boom Boom Huckjam napkins and assumed we would be doing that type of skating. There was a group of kids maybe 3 years younger than I was at the time, skating a really jankie flatbar they had. We skated the rail with them, with not much more than small talk being made. tried to find objects to skate over, so we started stacking empty beer cans from the family eating in the backyard. Ollied over a few kids. We were pretty much just guests that nobody knew. The family was so nice though, they fed all of us a great meal. As we left, the mom came up and handed us an envelope with $500 cash in it for our demo. Felt so bad taking that money. We were never paid for anything, other than the reeeeally shitty boards he gave us. Broke 3 in 1 day one time. We still had to pay for own grip too, so the boards weren't really even "free".

Looking back now I realize it was ripe with manipulation and child labor issues. I was about 14 during this period. I just completely ghosted the owner after I stopped going to the park. Wouldn't answer his phone calls. Saw him at Walmart a few months later, and we made eye-contact, then he just walked right past me with his nose in the air without saying a word.

Eventually he completely destroyed the skatepark, and made the entire inside of the building a church. There was an article in the newspaper about a year later detailing how he was shut down by the city for tax evasion, or zoning issues, something weird and corporate style shadiness. The city and building owner approved the use of that space for a skatepark, but it was now completely a church and for some reason created a huge issue.


TLDR: church bad, religion bad, skating better.

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Re: Skate Church Thread…
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2023, 03:50:33 PM »
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I know it's boomer tier to complain about the acronym being too long but... come on... surely there is a less complex way to say this
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I thought they called it the Alphabet Mob or Alphabet Gang.

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