Let the Skateboarders Alone

[sluggers]

"Jordan Peterson’s 11th rule, of his now-legendary 12, states that we should not “bother children while they are skateboarding.” The chapter describes Peterson marveling at the sight of skaters attempting tricks on the University of Toronto campus. “The crazy kids…would pull back about fifteen yards from the top of the steps. Then they would place a foot on their boards, and skate like mad to get up some speed” so as to nail a handrail slide, which they’d land “sometimes gracefully still atop their boards, sometimes, painfully, off them.”


“Some might call it stupid,” Peterson writes. “Maybe it was. But it was brave, too.” Never in my life did I ever think a bestselling book of any kind would side with skaters against security guards. But there you have it. “Beneath the production of rules stopping the skateboarders from doing highly skilled, courageous and dangerous things I see operation of an insidious and profoundly anti-human spirit.” Peterson, contra almost everyone, sees thrashing, shredding, and the like not as public nuisances, but as necessary pathways for headstrong boys to become reliable men.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/let-the-skateboarders-alone/

[feedmeseymour]

[tura]

Yeah i was stoked to hear an academic defending skateboarding. There's an interview with him somewhere where he talks about trying to oppose the university using skatestoppers.

It's unfortunate that Peterson got famous for his political opinions and is now pigeon-holed as just another anti-PC commenter, since it's only really incidental to his work. All his major media appearances since have been based around his political opinions, and he comes across as bored and angry. you can see his real passion in his lectures on depth psychology and mythology. He's like a man on a burning tightrope who always seems to be on the verge of uncovering some great unifying truth.

[eraserheadfuckers]

yea he's right about that but peterson is a total fucking hack.

he got famous for misrepresenting bill C-16 by saying it would land him in jail for accidentally misgendering someone. to this day no one has been charged under bill C-16.

This is a really good (and funny) piece about it https://medium.com/@offordwrites/the-intellectual-fraudulence-of-jordan-peterson-apropos-daniel-karasik-ff3b58c48fc3

he also has made the claim that all atheists are actually religious, because they have a moral framework.
https://youtu.be/FmH7JUeVQb8?t=2489
he then stated that nazism was an "atheistic" ideology, even though Christianity was a fundamental part of nazi ideology and propaganda


he has a really weird video where he says that nazi's should have enslaved the jews instead of just killing them at the death camps...which they did


he also went on the Joe Rogan podcast and said that Marxists were afraid to debate him, after cancelled a scheduled debate interview with Marxist Douglas Lain on the Zero Books podcast.


sorry i like what you posted but i just gotta set the record straight that the dude is trash. this is just a few things, not even going into all his sexist rhetoric. he is incredibly intellectually dishonest and is making millions doing it.

[sluggers]

Yes, Peterson is controversial, but it seems to come more from a jealousy of his popularity among many academics, intellectuals, and pundits.

Here are a few more nuanced pieces on his work (none of them alt-right or even right):

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/05/jordan-petersons-gospel-of-masculinity?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/why-they-listen-to-jordan-peterson.html

https://quillette.com/2018/03/22/jordan-b-peterson-appeals-left/

See also his discussions with Camille Paglia and Steve Pinker for more enlightenment and less noise.

[itsyourdad]

even when he’s talking about skateboarding in a positive light i want to punch him in his face

[Dwyck]

jordan peterson? Uh, nuh uh

[iKobrakai]

I'm sure his reaserch and work in clinical psychology is pretty interesting.

[Surf-goth]

I like peterson and i agree. Fuckin using these weird made up pronouns just cause these mentally ill hipsters want me to. Cool to see him backing skateboarding.

[Peter Zagreus]

he also went on the Joe Rogan podcast and said that Marxists were afraid to debate him, after cancelled a scheduled debate interview with Marxist Douglas Lain on the Zero Books podcast.

Thanks for sharing this. The memes had me rolling.
I also appreciate Peterson's apreesh, but its nothing Chris Rock or my dad haven't already said.

[GAY]

I wish he would have gone with the angle that skateboarding is dancing and art and therefore should be considered free speech and 2nd Amendment something something.

[frontsideoverkrook]

jordan peterson is great for people who pretend to read philosophy

[Peter Zagreus]

jordan peterson is great for people who pretend to read philosophy

This, as well. He's like a karate teacher who read Nietzsche in college once and then opened a dojo and plastered the wall with motivational posters containing his aphorisms.

[midevilco]

You can tell who lives in a dirty room at their mom's house by the responses in this thread.

[SodaJerk]

I wish he would have gone with the angle that skateboarding is dancing and art and therefore should be considered free speech and 2nd Amendment something something.

This and guns I suppose

[wallawallawa]

Yes, Peterson is controversial, but it seems to come more from a jealousy of his popularity among many academics, intellectuals, and pundits.

Here are a few more nuanced pieces on his work (none of them alt-right or even right):

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/05/jordan-petersons-gospel-of-masculinity?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/why-they-listen-to-jordan-peterson.html

https://quillette.com/2018/03/22/jordan-b-peterson-appeals-left/

See also his discussions with Camille Paglia and Steve Pinker for more enlightenment and less noise.

The New Yorker article was okay, but the NY Mag and Quillette articles just read as desperate attempts to legitimize his essentialist justifications of hierarchy by misrepresenting common criticisms of him. The Quillette writer was by far the most frustrating in the clarity of their bullshit, writing, "[Peterson's] core claim about postmodernism is true. In postmodern literature, there is no truth outside of discourse. The implications of that are devastating – it means that any scientific findings that make us uncomfortable do not emerge from objective reality, but are themselves constructs, or products of “straight white male bias”. If it is discovered that men and women differ in their interests, occupational choices or in certain personality traits, those findings are already part of a “discourse” on sexism, and cannot be objective. If you want to ruin Western civilization and break the sciences, you’d do no better than to make people believe that the scientific method is a tool of oppression."

Criticisms of Peterson aren't arguing that those statistical differences between men and women's generalized social behaviors are false. They are arguing against the objectivity of Peterson's assertion that such differences are biologically determined or reproduced. Yeah sure, of course, human beings tend to have two different types of genitalia and general hormonal patterns, but it takes social conditioning to be taught that this physical difference should be internalized as a defining aspect of how one relates to others. (I would not be too stoked to hear Jordan Peterson's explanation for why we haven't had a single female president.) People push back against bogus interpretations of statistical research so that the scientific method can be used more effectively. It's people like Jordan Peterson who are "breaking the sciences."

(That little excerpt also reveals that the Quillette writer is just as clueless as Peterson about what they label "postmodernism." The one nice thing about the NY Mag article was that it linked to Shuja Haider's piece on Peterson's delusions about postmodernism: https://www.viewpointmag.com/2018/01/23/postmodernism-not-take-place-jordan-petersons-12-rules-life/)

Really not looking forward to the day I see a thread titled, "David Brooks fucks with skating so I fuck with him."

[Surf-goth]

Peterson rules suck it sjw sissies

[Zurg]

I don’t know much about him, but he seems to give bigots extra confidence

[Surf-goth]

I don’t know much about him, but he seems to give bigots extra confidence

No he just doesn't humor irrational crybabies

[electromagnetic radiation]

Peterson made some really good points that I can agree with, not backing everything he said but a lot of stuff makes sense.

Also, he has a massiv collection of commumist propaganda paintings from the soviet union that he bought piece for piece, dirt cheap, on ebay 

[ihatejulio]

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I don’t know much about him, but he seems to give bigots extra confidence

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No he just doesn't humor irrational crybabies

Case in point.

[Zurg]

As I say I don’t know much about him, but he seems to really speak to the type of people who get all uppidy when they’re asked to call a trans woman she or her

[Surf-goth]

As I say I don’t know much about him, but he seems to really speak to the type of people who get all uppidy when they’re asked to call a trans woman she or her

So you don't know much but just assume what is convenient to what you wanna believe?

[Zurg]

I guess I should’ve said, I haven’t looked into him much, but I don’t generally agree with the people who’ve recommended him or the points of his that theyve relayed to me(except the skate one, funny enough i think I’ve skated the spot he’s referring to). I was at a friends and he was trying to show another friend and I a lecture or interview of peterson’s, so we compromised on skimming the video and every time it stopped he was saying something about his masculinity and how it was being attacked and I wasn’t too into it. Shallow, I know, maybe I should do more research

[eraserheadfuckers]

Yes, Peterson is controversial, but it seems to come more from a jealousy of his popularity among many academics, intellectuals, and pundits.

See also his discussions with Camille Paglia and Steve Pinker for more enlightenment and less noise.

"Controversial" is a clever way of putting "wrong about a lot of things"

How can you prove that people critical of him are jealous?
How can you prove that people that are supportive of him aren't jealous?
Further, how does that affect the legitimacy of their arguments?

When Jordan Peterson said that Humans and Lobsters common ancestor was 350 million years ago (which he did), and I say no, that's wrong it was 700, but I say it out of jealousy, he's still wrong. The fact that I am jealous is totally irrelevant and for someone to bring that into the discussion is fallacious.

I guess I should’ve said, I haven’t looked into him much, but I don’t generally agree with the people who’ve recommended him or the points of his that theyve relayed to me(except the skate one, funny enough i think I’ve skated the spot he’s referring to). I was at a friends and he was trying to show another friend and I a lecture or interview of peterson’s, so we compromised on skimming the video and every time it stopped he was saying something about his masculinity and how it was being attacked and I wasn’t too into it. Shallow, I know, maybe I should do more research

nah you're right. his whole thing is that traditional western hierarchies and norms are "natural" and therefore good.
some of his positions:
Masculinity is really good, feminism is terrible and is responsible for women being harassed and assaulted in the workplace
Trans people don't deserve to be a protected class because it infringes on my right to misgender them
We need enforced monogamy to stop incels from murdering people

He's a status quo warrior.

[Surf-goth]

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Yes, Peterson is controversial, but it seems to come more from a jealousy of his popularity among many academics, intellectuals, and pundits.

See also his discussions with Camille Paglia and Steve Pinker for more enlightenment and less noise.

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"Controversial" is a clever way of putting "wrong about a lot of things"

How can you prove that people critical of him are jealous?
How can you prove that people that are supportive of him aren't jealous?
Further, how does that affect the legitimacy of their arguments?

When Jordan Peterson said that Humans and Lobsters common ancestor was 350 million years ago (which he did), and I say no, that's wrong it was 700, but I say it out of jealousy, he's still wrong. The fact that I am jealous is totally irrelevant and for someone to bring that into the discussion is fallacious.

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I guess I should’ve said, I haven’t looked into him much, but I don’t generally agree with the people who’ve recommended him or the points of his that theyve relayed to me(except the skate one, funny enough i think I’ve skated the spot he’s referring to). I was at a friends and he was trying to show another friend and I a lecture or interview of peterson’s, so we compromised on skimming the video and every time it stopped he was saying something about his masculinity and how it was being attacked and I wasn’t too into it. Shallow, I know, maybe I should do more research

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nah you're right. his whole thing is that traditional western hierarchies and norms are "natural" and therefore good.
some of his positions:
Masculinity is really good, feminism is terrible and is responsible for women being harassed and assaulted in the workplace
Trans people don't deserve to be a protected class because it infringes on my right to misgender them
We need enforced monogamy to stop incels from murdering people

He's a status quo warrior.

Controversial is a clever way of labeling someone who is wrong? Based on your personal beliefs maybe. But beliefs aren't facts.

[GAY]

Peterson rules suck it sjw sissies

Now THIS stings.

[Surf-goth]

Sorry GAY next time I'll use silencer haha. I wanna make one thing clear though. I am NOT anti gay anti feminism(real feminism) or anything like that. I am however anti people pretend to be outraged about dumb shit

[eraserheadfuckers]

Sorry GAY next time I'll use silencer haha. I wanna make one thing clear though. I am NOT anti gay anti feminism(real feminism) or anything like that. I am however anti people pretend to be outraged about dumb shit

Do you believe that trans people should get the same protection under the law that black people, gay people, etc receive?

[SHIREFLIP]

I have this thing where I can't trust old men who try to act like they're supportive of whatever dumb shit it is that I'm doing. It makes me feel like it's a cheap ploy to gain my trust so they can abuse my naive, blind support. It reminds me of the many white van driving weirdos who tried to prey upon my childhood love of candy, with the end goal of absconding with me and turning me into furniture.