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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1710 on: April 16, 2024, 08:45:23 AM »
Primitive twin was highly disappointing due to the 13.75 wheelbase on that shape specifically.All their 8.25s have had a 14” wheelbase so I assumed the twin would too.

 I just knew it wasn’t gonna work after a session and a half. Don’t know what they were thinking with that

Weren't both kicks longer than the standard 8.25? Guess they were assuming that would compensate.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1711 on: April 16, 2024, 08:13:50 PM »
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Primitive twin was highly disappointing due to the 13.75 wheelbase on that shape specifically.All their 8.25s have had a 14” wheelbase so I assumed the twin would too.

 I just knew it wasn’t gonna work after a session and a half. Don’t know what they were thinking with that
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Weren't both kicks longer than the standard 8.25? Guess they were assuming that would compensate.


I like the longer kicks but they shoulda kept it the same 14” wheelbase. Even when I would land tricks my positioning and weight distribution felt off. It wasn’t even some shit i was gonna try to get used to after finding my Goldilocks wheelbase and riding that for the past couple years


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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1712 on: April 17, 2024, 06:23:33 AM »
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I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).
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The 8.5x31.75 dimensions are correct. However, the WB is fucking 14" if NOT slightly LESS than 14"...WT A F...Still gonna skate it and see how it feels.

It's wide at the kicks like the 8.5 toy machine, it has lots of fingers of flat, almost THREE...was gonna ride indys now I'm not sure what to set up on it...Thunders? Gotta work that WB out a bit...

I ordered one of these last night. I’ll measure it and see if it is consistent with what you found. Tactics had it listed as “symmetrical”.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1713 on: April 17, 2024, 10:05:13 PM »
One of my kicks was slightly longer than the other as well, not enough to notice a difference while skating, but definitely on measuring.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1714 on: April 26, 2024, 04:09:47 AM »
I just started skating an Ishod symmetrical deck, and I swear the “nose” feels steeper than the tail. I still like it, but it kinda defeats the purpose.
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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1715 on: April 26, 2024, 06:27:48 AM »
https://www.tactics.com/heroin/wilson-dead-reflections-85-skateboard-deck

New heroin graphic based off the same shape as the tom day. been my favorite twin so far by a long shot

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1716 on: April 26, 2024, 09:01:46 AM »
I just started skating an Ishod symmetrical deck, and I swear the “nose” feels steeper than the tail. I still like it, but it kinda defeats the purpose.
I've had 7 of those so far and every single one was perfectly symmetrical in kick angle, length, fingers of flat, ...
Sure it's not just a regular Ishod pro model?

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1717 on: April 26, 2024, 11:15:42 AM »
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I just started skating an Ishod symmetrical deck, and I swear the “nose” feels steeper than the tail. I still like it, but it kinda defeats the purpose.
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I've had 7 of those so far and every single one was perfectly symmetrical in kick angle, length, fingers of flat, ...
Sure it's not just a regular Ishod pro model?

It’s one of these


But honestly, after skating today I’m no longer sure I was correct in my assessment, and I meant to get back on here to acknowledge that my body may not be the most accurate angle gauge, and I might have been mistaken. I suppose I could always nerd it up and buy a digital angle gauge. Either way, I still like the way it skates, so that’s really all that matters.
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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1718 on: April 26, 2024, 01:31:58 PM »
I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1719 on: April 26, 2024, 06:58:09 PM »
I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.

IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.
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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1720 on: April 26, 2024, 07:30:40 PM »
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
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IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.

Yeah, the Easy Riders are symmetrical in degree of kick only (not shape); they really did a piss poor job on explaining the board - they just assumed everyone was going to watch BenD's video.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1721 on: April 26, 2024, 07:34:25 PM »
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
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IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.

Will try and 8.5" easy rider for sure but would be rad if they were proper symmetrical shapes... haha... we want it ALL!!

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1722 on: April 26, 2024, 11:44:58 PM »
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
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IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.
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Yeah, the Easy Riders are symmetrical in degree of kick only (not shape); they really did a piss poor job on explaining the board - they just assumed everyone was going to watch BenD's video.

Their recent Insta posts has side-by-side comparisons of the new Easy Rider concave against their classic one.

Just setup a SC 8.4 Maurio McCoy Twin, the kicks are really tapered, almost like they took the old Asta shape and widened it out. Almost egg like, haven't landed a 360 flip on it yet but pretty good. I don't think they use the same woodshop as DSM since SC / Creature feel like they have a signature stiffness, right below a BBS.

Their eagle graphic was ugly as sin and I don't like the matte finish on the bottom. Aside from that it's treating me much better than the Opera Twin.
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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1723 on: April 27, 2024, 12:29:47 AM »
Anyone skated the Alien workshop/habitat twins in 8.5? Wondering how the measurements are. Some shops list as 14.25 wb others 14.375.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1724 on: April 27, 2024, 12:46:46 AM »
Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.

The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.

The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1725 on: April 27, 2024, 12:53:15 AM »
Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.

The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.

The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.

Thanks for the insight.
The new spectrum is what made me curious. On paper it sounds great. Just can’t deal with 14.25 wb even with ventures when the deck is that long

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1726 on: April 27, 2024, 03:59:46 AM »
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
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IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.
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Yeah, the Easy Riders are symmetrical in degree of kick only (not shape); they really did a piss poor job on explaining the board - they just assumed everyone was going to watch BenD's video.

Well shit, thanks for the heads up!
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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1727 on: April 27, 2024, 07:17:49 PM »
Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.

The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.

The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.


Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?

That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.

I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.


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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1728 on: April 27, 2024, 09:27:34 PM »
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.

The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.

The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
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Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?

That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.

I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.




Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks

8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"

Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1729 on: April 27, 2024, 09:31:19 PM »
The 8.38 Mercy shape is another beast at 32.75 x 14.25, is Marius actually riding that shape??
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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1730 on: April 29, 2024, 04:23:06 AM »
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.

The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.

The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
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Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?

That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.

I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.



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Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks

8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"

Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).


Thanks!


Funny that DLX Ishod similar boards have such short kicks, then Alien Workshop have such long kicks.

I have the two 8.3 / 8.375 boards here comparing them, Ishod twin tail just feels so short and AW is twin nose and feeling a little too long.  A little something in between would be nice for a medium board.


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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1731 on: April 29, 2024, 09:30:38 AM »
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.

The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.

The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
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Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?

That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.

I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.



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Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks

8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"

Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).
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Thanks!


Funny that DLX Ishod similar boards have such short kicks, then Alien Workshop have such long kicks.

I have the two 8.3 / 8.375 boards here comparing them, Ishod twin tail just feels so short and AW is twin nose and feeling a little too long.  A little something in between would be nice for a medium board.




Deathwish Foy Twin (8.5) is perfect, really wish they made it in smaller sizes. A good 8.25 twin is harder to come by, the Toy machine is close....8.3 quasi is decent but really close to the dlx in terms of kicks.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1732 on: April 30, 2024, 08:04:32 AM »
How do you guys tighten your trucks with twins? I set up new thunders and they’re way too loose for me stock but I’m scared my ocd will come back if I tighten them and one feels different than the other.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1733 on: April 30, 2024, 09:02:46 AM »
How do you guys tighten your trucks with twins? I set up new thunders and they’re way too loose for me stock but I’m scared my ocd will come back if I tighten them and one feels different than the other.

I usually do 2-3 threads showing on both

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1734 on: April 30, 2024, 09:20:57 AM »
Always have both trucks nut and kingpin flush. Ace AF1 55s on an 8.5 Ishod Twin or Thunder 151s on an 8.5 Crail twin. And Ace 55 Classics on a 8.88" Powell Flight Twin (shhhh......)

I rotate trucks on directional decks also so they usually feel very close. I know some people really like to get brand new trucks when they set up a twin.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1735 on: April 30, 2024, 09:41:44 AM »
How do you guys tighten your trucks with twins? I set up new thunders and they’re way too loose for me stock but I’m scared my ocd will come back if I tighten them and one feels different than the other.

With a skate tool!

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1736 on: April 30, 2024, 11:58:13 PM »
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.

The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.

The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
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Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?

That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.

I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.



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Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks

8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"

Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).
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Thanks!


Funny that DLX Ishod similar boards have such short kicks, then Alien Workshop have such long kicks.

I have the two 8.3 / 8.375 boards here comparing them, Ishod twin tail just feels so short and AW is twin nose and feeling a little too long.  A little something in between would be nice for a medium board.



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Deathwish Foy Twin (8.5) is perfect, really wish they made it in smaller sizes. A good 8.25 twin is harder to come by, the Toy machine is close....8.3 quasi is decent but really close to the dlx in terms of kicks.

Habitat just released Apex Bold Green Twin 8.25 with 14.25, it's 32-ish long, big long kicks. I got it in Europe and it's BBS made.

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1737 on: May 01, 2024, 03:43:15 PM »
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.

The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.

The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
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Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?

That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.

I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.



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Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks

8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"

Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).
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Thanks!


Funny that DLX Ishod similar boards have such short kicks, then Alien Workshop have such long kicks.

I have the two 8.3 / 8.375 boards here comparing them, Ishod twin tail just feels so short and AW is twin nose and feeling a little too long.  A little something in between would be nice for a medium board.



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Deathwish Foy Twin (8.5) is perfect, really wish they made it in smaller sizes. A good 8.25 twin is harder to come by, the Toy machine is close....8.3 quasi is decent but really close to the dlx in terms of kicks.
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Habitat just released Apex Bold Green Twin 8.25 with 14.25, it's 32-ish long, big long kicks. I got it in Europe and it's BBS made.

It's the 'same old' one we've had:


Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks

8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"

Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).

https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-green-8-25-twin


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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1738 on: May 02, 2024, 04:56:39 PM »

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Re: Twin tail
« Reply #1739 on: May 02, 2024, 05:57:50 PM »
^Ooof. I had last year’s version, the wheelbase was just slightly longer (14.28), and it was really nice. Hopefully I can get my hands on this one.
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