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This issue is really confusing for me and I think it really causes problems for the left appealing to independents like me.

I kind of wish that instead of us having to pay 10k in legal fees and wait 6-8 months for my business partner from New Deli to be able to legally work in the US that he could just walk across the border and we could not deal with all the hassles and expense. However, if we got caught doing that, shouldn't we expect he'd be asked to leave at a minimum? I don't get how cheating the system is defensible. Should people instead be arguing to change the rules/laws if they don't like them, not arguing that people can ignore them?

What's the argument for ignoring the rules? Not trolling, seriously don't get this on any level.

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I agree. Someone has to stop all those business partners crossing the border illegally. It's an outrage that they're using the asylum status loophole to get to their meetings for free.

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there are asylum seekers all over the world. why should the ones we share a border with not have to go through the same channels. i still haven't seen anyone explain the "why it's ok to break the laws" and preferable to changing the laws if they aren't cutting it. if open borders is the desired policy, why not legislate and promote that? promoting ignoring the laws seems like a really bad idea.

Asylum seekers aren’t breaking the law. Also it’s their right to come to the border to seek asylum.

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and you feel that that's what happened to OPs friend here? i'm assuming when ice is raiding people and deporting them that they didn't go to a legal port of entry and request asylum and instead came into the country illegal which means they broke the law. this feels just like the gun debate where the conservatives are arguing against a complete gun ban while most folks just want to get rid of army style weapons and more reasonable regulations on their use. here feels like the left is arguing only about folks seeking legal asylum and ignoring the problem the right is actually concerned about which is the droves of people charging across the border unchecked.

[waltercronkite]

and you feel that that's what happened to OPs friend here? i'm assuming when ice is raiding people and deporting them that they didn't go to a legal port of entry and request asylum and instead came into the country illegal which means they broke the law. this feels just like the gun debate where the conservatives are arguing against a complete gun ban while most folks just want to get rid of army style weapons and more reasonable regulations on their use. here feels like the left is arguing only about folks seeking legal asylum and ignoring the problem the right is actually concerned about which is the droves of people charging across the border unchecked.

Op said his friend was a child when he came here. I think even you can understand it was beyond that kids control.

Also, what are you Johnny fucking law like you’ve never broken a law?

The left are concentrating on the fact that asylum seekers are in detention camps drinking water out of toilets not on people who generally live among us in peace and pay taxes. 50-75% of illegal aliens pay taxes (taken from the irs) do you know how much money that comes out to? Do you know how many of them are actually rapists and drug smugglers. I can’t speak for all liberals, but I don’t give a shit if someone’s just trying to peacefully make a better life for their family and still contributes to their/our community.

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This thread has an extra chromosome.

[DanTheDoucher]

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I don't care if a person is black, white, brown, green, red, blue, or purple. They are absolutely welcome here in my opinion, as long as go through the proper channels and do it legally.

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So you mean like asylum seekers who are being kept in camps and separated from there families? You mean that kind of coming here legally? Ya it seems to be working out

Seeking asylum and being granted asylum are two entirely different things.  I don't think they should be kept in camps. I think they should go back to their home country (as a complete family) and continue the process until they are legally granted access to the country. And that goes for Americans seeking citizenship in other countries as well.

[DanTheDoucher]

Don't worry guys, everything is ok because the law says it is.

Like someone said earlier, they should be fighting to get the law changed, not figuring out new ways to cheat the system.

[Beeda Weeda]

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I don't care if a person is black, white, brown, green, red, blue, or purple. They are absolutely welcome here in my opinion, as long as go through the proper channels and do it legally.

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So you mean like asylum seekers who are being kept in camps and separated from there families? You mean that kind of coming here legally? Ya it seems to be working out

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Seeking asylum and being granted asylum are two entirely different things.  I don't think they should be kept in camps. I think they should go back to their home country (as a complete family) and continue the process until they are legally granted access to the country. And that goes for Americans seeking citizenship in other countries as well.

do you think the usa should take responsibility for instabilities in the northern triangle?  Is america great again yet?

[Beeda Weeda]

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Don't worry guys, everything is ok because the law says it is.

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Like someone said earlier, they should be fighting to get the law changed, not figuring out new ways to cheat the system.

who is "they"

[Alan]

Loving all the legalists here. Just a quick step away from "I was just following orders!"

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[DanTheDoucher]

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Don't worry guys, everything is ok because the law says it is.

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Like someone said earlier, they should be fighting to get the law changed, not figuring out new ways to cheat the system.

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who is "they"

Those who want to come here. Families of those who want to come here. Staunch advocates of immigration. All the social justice warriors who spend all of their time bitching about it on the internet. State representatives of high immigration states that are in favor of less strict immigration policy. The list is pretty much endless for this.

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This issue is really confusing for me and I think it really causes problems for the left appealing to independents like me.

I kind of wish that instead of us having to pay 10k in legal fees and wait 6-8 months for my business partner from New Deli to be able to legally work in the US that he could just walk across the border and we could not deal with all the hassles and expense. However, if we got caught doing that, shouldn't we expect he'd be asked to leave at a minimum? I don't get how cheating the system is defensible. Should people instead be arguing to change the rules/laws if they don't like them, not arguing that people can ignore them?

What's the argument for ignoring the rules? Not trolling, seriously don't get this on any level.

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I agree. Someone has to stop all those business partners crossing the border illegally. It's an outrage that they're using the asylum status loophole to get to their meetings for free.

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there are asylum seekers all over the world. why should the ones we share a border with not have to go through the same channels. i still haven't seen anyone explain the "why it's ok to break the laws" and preferable to changing the laws if they aren't cutting it. if open borders is the desired policy, why not legislate and promote that? promoting ignoring the laws seems like a really bad idea.

The laws congress passed say asylum seekers can walk right up to the border and request asylum if they have a legitimate reason. The current administration has directed its agencies to variously not follow that law, to slow processing down at points of entry so that a minimum of cases are heard a day, and now to keep people who may have legitimate claims in perilous circumstances.


When it comes to purely economic migrants there are only 3 legal means entry:

HB1 Visas - Which are supposed to fill jobs that no Americans have the skills for but are often used by wealthy corporations to fill jobs for below a market rate or to avoid training that would have formerly happened in-house.

Family reunification - AKA Chain Migration, which Trump seeks to end.

Lottery - Not open to people from in this hemisphere from Canada, Brazil, Colombia, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Haiti, Jamaica, Mexico, and Peru.


So when you say "why don't you follow the law?" you are basically saying, "Sucks to be you, grin and bear it, maybe get reincarnated as an American, I approve of previous efforts to limit entry of Germans, Jews, Italians, Poles, Irish, Norwegians, Chinese, etc., it was ok for my family but not yours."

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Id rather deport all the people who own assault rifles instead.

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yes lets deport all americans exorcising their constitutional rights

No lets just deport americans who spell it "exorcising." Maybe a mandatory spelling test is in order? The longer your family has lived here, the less words you can miss on the test.

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I'm actually for even more illegal immigration. Many illegals I've met work hard as shit and have a good head on their shoulders. On the other hand, these legal, douches that have families thats been here for generations still compete for the same jobs as people who can't even speak english. Fuck em. Ship those people out.

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good thing you don't run the country.

Yes its good for you because I don't take kindly to people "exorcising" our rights like they're evil spirits. Very un-American.

[Betaphenylethylalamine]

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Id rather deport all the people who own assault rifles instead.

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yes lets deport all americans exorcising their constitutional rights

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No lets just deport americans who spell it "exorcising." Maybe a mandatory spelling test is in order? The longer your family has lived here, the less words you can miss on the test.

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I'm actually for even more illegal immigration. Many illegals I've met work hard as shit and have a good head on their shoulders. On the other hand, these legal, douches that have families thats been here for generations still compete for the same jobs as people who can't even speak english. Fuck em. Ship those people out.

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good thing you don't run the country.

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Yes its good for you because I don't take kindly to people "exorcising" our rights like they're evil spirits. Very un-American.

Can you speak ojibwe, cree, mohawk etc?

Debwe

[os89]

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Id rather deport all the people who own assault rifles instead.

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yes lets deport all americans exorcising their constitutional rights

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No lets just deport americans who spell it "exorcising." Maybe a mandatory spelling test is in order? The longer your family has lived here, the less words you can miss on the test.

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I'm actually for even more illegal immigration. Many illegals I've met work hard as shit and have a good head on their shoulders. On the other hand, these legal, douches that have families thats been here for generations still compete for the same jobs as people who can't even speak english. Fuck em. Ship those people out.

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good thing you don't run the country.

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Yes its good for you because I don't take kindly to people "exorcising" our rights like they're evil spirits. Very un-American.

[Dog the Bounty Hunter]

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If he's been detained by ICE then that would lead me to believe that his parents are not legal residents of the United States. If they came here illegally, then they have broken the law.

I'm sure they are awesome people, but they need to follow the law and come here legally.

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There's no way you actually skate. Why the fuck do you post here?

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What do the two things have to do with each other? Skating and being extremely left-wing are not mutually exclusive.

This guy only skates parks in full pads.

[DanTheDoucher]

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If he's been detained by ICE then that would lead me to believe that his parents are not legal residents of the United States. If they came here illegally, then they have broken the law.

I'm sure they are awesome people, but they need to follow the law and come here legally.

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There's no way you actually skate. Why the fuck do you post here?

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What do the two things have to do with each other? Skating and being extremely left-wing are not mutually exclusive.

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This guy only skates parks in full pads.

But really, do you have anything relevant to say?

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If he's been detained by ICE then that would lead me to believe that his parents are not legal residents of the United States. If they came here illegally, then they have broken the law.

I'm sure they are awesome people, but they need to follow the law and come here legally.

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There's no way you actually skate. Why the fuck do you post here?

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What do the two things have to do with each other? Skating and being extremely left-wing are not mutually exclusive.

Confirmed dude doesn’t skate and just watches episodes of Lucifer with his hand on his cock for LT. Dan the douche

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Id rather deport all the people who own assault rifles instead.

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yes lets deport all americans exorcising their constitutional rights

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No lets just deport americans who spell it "exorcising." Maybe a mandatory spelling test is in order? The longer your family has lived here, the less words you can miss on the test.

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I'm actually for even more illegal immigration. Many illegals I've met work hard as shit and have a good head on their shoulders. On the other hand, these legal, douches that have families thats been here for generations still compete for the same jobs as people who can't even speak english. Fuck em. Ship those people out.

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good thing you don't run the country.

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Yes its good for you because I don't take kindly to people "exorcising" our rights like they're evil spirits. Very un-American.

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Can you speak ojibwe, cree, mohawk etc?

Debwe

I'll just go ahead and say yes. Yes.

[DanTheDoucher]

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If he's been detained by ICE then that would lead me to believe that his parents are not legal residents of the United States. If they came here illegally, then they have broken the law.

I'm sure they are awesome people, but they need to follow the law and come here legally.

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There's no way you actually skate. Why the fuck do you post here?

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What do the two things have to do with each other? Skating and being extremely left-wing are not mutually exclusive.

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Confirmed dude doesn’t skate and just watches episodes of Lucifer with his hand on his cock for LT. Dan the douche

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If he's been detained by ICE then that would lead me to believe that his parents are not legal residents of the United States. If they came here illegally, then they have broken the law.

I'm sure they are awesome people, but they need to follow the law and come here legally.

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There's no way you actually skate. Why the fuck do you post here?

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What do the two things have to do with each other? Skating and being extremely left-wing are not mutually exclusive.

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This guy only skates parks in full pads.

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But really, do you have anything relevant to say?

Hey bro, just making sure you’re following the law.

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Shalom!

[DanTheDoucher]

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If he's been detained by ICE then that would lead me to believe that his parents are not legal residents of the United States. If they came here illegally, then they have broken the law.

I'm sure they are awesome people, but they need to follow the law and come here legally.

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There's no way you actually skate. Why the fuck do you post here?

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What do the two things have to do with each other? Skating and being extremely left-wing are not mutually exclusive.

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This guy only skates parks in full pads.

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But really, do you have anything relevant to say?

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Hey bro, just making sure you’re following the law.

I don't wear a helmet or pads at the park, but the cops could absolutely come around and enforce that rule/law if they were so inclined. I just wouldn't go back to that park anymore.

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If he's been detained by ICE then that would lead me to believe that his parents are not legal residents of the United States. If they came here illegally, then they have broken the law.

I'm sure they are awesome people, but they need to follow the law and come here legally.

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There's no way you actually skate. Why the fuck do you post here?

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What do the two things have to do with each other? Skating and being extremely left-wing are not mutually exclusive.

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This guy only skates parks in full pads.

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But really, do you have anything relevant to say?

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Hey bro, just making sure you’re following the law.

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I don't wear a helmet or pads at the park, but the cops could absolutely come around and enforce that rule/law if they were so inclined. I just wouldn't go back to that park anymore.

I'm sure you are awesome people, but you need to follow the law and skate legally.

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what do you do when they enforce them at the next park? and the park after that? Then when you finally give in to your trusted government, and decide to buy pads, but they block pads from being sold locally.

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what do you do when they enforce them at the next park? and the park after that? Then when you finally give in to your trusted government, and decide to buy pads, but they block pads from being sold locally.

Skate street only.

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what do you do when they enforce them at the next park? and the park after that? Then when you finally give in to your trusted government, and decide to buy pads, but they block pads from being sold locally.

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Skate street only.

but that is vandalism and  your people won't approve

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what do you do when they enforce them at the next park? and the park after that? Then when you finally give in to your trusted government, and decide to buy pads, but they block pads from being sold locally.

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Skate street only.

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but that is vandalism and  your people won't approve

It's only vandalism if you get caught, same as you are only an illegal immigrant if you get caught.

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I don't care if a person is black, white, brown, green, red, blue, or purple. They are absolutely welcome here in my opinion, as long as go through the proper channels and do it legally.

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So you mean like asylum seekers who are being kept in camps and separated from there families? You mean that kind of coming here legally? Ya it seems to be working out

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Seeking asylum and being granted asylum are two entirely different things.  I don't think they should be kept in camps. I think they should go back to their home country (as a complete family) and continue the process until they are legally granted access to the country. And that goes for Americans seeking citizenship in other countries as well.

That's not how asylum works, and the opposite of how it works and totally defeats the point of asylum.

People seek asylum because they need protection. Usually from their own government. I mentioned this in another thread, but I have transported asylum seekers as a part of my job a couple times over the past couple months. Some of these people went to a protest, and the next morning their homes were marked with red x's by the authorities to mark who is an enemy of the state.

When you seek asylum THE POINT is that you enter the country and remain there until you complete the asylum process. If you are seeking asylum because your life is at risk from your own government, why the fuck would we send you back home to be murdered??

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I don't care if a person is black, white, brown, green, red, blue, or purple. They are absolutely welcome here in my opinion, as long as go through the proper channels and do it legally.

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So you mean like asylum seekers who are being kept in camps and separated from there families? You mean that kind of coming here legally? Ya it seems to be working out

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Seeking asylum and being granted asylum are two entirely different things.  I don't think they should be kept in camps. I think they should go back to their home country (as a complete family) and continue the process until they are legally granted access to the country. And that goes for Americans seeking citizenship in other countries as well.

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That's not how asylum works, and the opposite of how it works and totally defeats the point of asylum.

People seek asylum because they need protection. Usually from their own government. I mentioned this in another thread, but I have transported asylum seekers as a part of my job a couple times over the past couple months. Some of these people went to a protest, and the next morning their homes were marked with red x's by the authorities to mark who is an enemy of the state.

When you seek asylum THE POINT is that you enter the country and remain there until you complete the asylum process. If you are seeking asylum because your life is at risk from your own government, why the fuck would we send you back home to be murdered??

Where do you suggest these people are housed until their application is approved/denied? The Four Seasons? If their country is bad enough that they feel there is no other choice but to hop a border and come here illegally, then how can they bitch about having to stay in a camp-type-setting until a decision is made?