thanks your help. i owe you a gnar when i can give em
is thunder the tallest bottom bushing on the market? my problem would be solved if they made a barrel in the same height. never owned a pair but the thunder supercush look shorter than their stock bottoms.
i recently put the ace bottom with a stock thunder top on my thunders and it is working perfectly when tightened flush. the ace bushing with the washer seems like it is squished and doesnt fit the trucks geo but its working magic. this setup is giving me the best stability ive ever had not only for landing but setting up tricks. its still a broken in 86a and will turn when i want it to but wont wobble during trick setup which i struggled with. the 90a thunder top with a bones washer is firm but gives me the full range of turn to wheelbite if i get careless.
my theory is that the ace barrel bushing is hard when squished up but since its 86a, it has to give in and flex when my body wants to turn. i couldnt replicate this feeling when replacing it with a shorter and harder barrel bushing. the set up stability was mushy and wobbly on a venture 90a barrel. it really is a strange thing that shouldnt work as described. could you explain it?
at the moment im looking for tall and soft bottom bushings cause knowing ace quality control, this magic might not last me long. all i know is ML bottoms are basically ace height. those pictures ruled out indy aftermarket. is supercush ace height?
No problem. The 'Thunder' supercush as they're labelled at places like Tactics is actually wrong, they're DLX's bushings made for Ventures (which also fit Indy's). So yes, shorter than the Thunders by a good amount. The only aftermarket bushings that fit Thunders are the Thunder branded ones. No barrels (unless you get into the longboarder stuff, but I'm completely ignorant on that front, some other dudes here have experimented with them).
In terms of skate trucks, I'm fairly positive Thunder have the tallest bottom bushings. I only rode Thunders for maybe... two weeks, but after a a few days I threw on an Ace bottom as well to help with the wheelbite and make the turn a little less sketch. I think you'll be fine running the Ace bottom's on there, the height difference isn't enough to hurt the truck. Plus, the mixed duro is pretty close to Aces, you could even throw a Thunder 94 top bushing on there for quicker snap back (but then you're in deep frankenbushing territory).
As for why the Venture bottom barrel was acting weird, I'd have to say the height would probably be screwing it up. If you go back to the first page where I posted the pic of the Indy vs Thunder bushing the height difference is considerable (Indy and Ventures having the same size bottom bushings). When the geometry is off that much the yoke of the hanger won't seat correctly against the bushing, one side will make too much contact, the other side not enough, instant wobble because only half the bushing is interacting the way it should. Maintaining the proper bottom bushing height is important, the top bushing is where you can fuck around without too much consequence.