What makes a bad truck bad and a good truck good?

[Baswell Cerry]

I've skated Indys, Destructos, Ruckus, and Thunders. The only thing I've noticed is the width. So what's with the numbers and stages and reverse this that?

[sketchyrider]

how much wood, would a good truck chuck...

[Bristol_Palin]

I honestly go by the smell test.

[DarthDingusMaximus]

I'm addicted to porn and masturbate constantly

[weon]

my truck bad
my truck good
my truck do stuff that ya truck wish she could

[fang]

I'm addicted to porn and masturbate constantly

#metoo

[Hyliannightmare]

Good trucks say independent
Bad trucks say crux

[Sila]

Bad trucks - Bad at not being a good truck
Good trucks - Good at not being a bad truck

[Wheelbyte]

inverted kingpins are the future

[Grind King Rims]

Good trucks say independent
Bad trucks say crux

What are those, knockoff krux?

[skatesum609]

I like good trucks

[layzieyez]

Holy water. Just go in and dunk them. You'll get overcome by the holy stokes.

[FredGallsBallz]

I've always assumed the truck design process across all brands is fairly arbitrary. It's certainly not the same level of R&D that goes into high end bicycles, golf clubs and tennis racquets. If a truck works and becomes a mainstay like Indy, Thunder and Venture, there's an element of luck and randomness.

[Wheelbyte]

I've always assumed the truck design process across all brands is fairly arbitrary. It's certainly not the same level of R&D that goes into high end bicycles, golf clubs and tennis racquets. If a truck works and becomes a mainstay like Indy, Thunder and Venture, there's an element of luck and randomness.

trucks are like bike frames, or car chassis with axles, they join riders to the wheels
I think super serious engineers have done a ton of homework on them in the past
there will probably be a thick manual of maybe 200 pages somewhere delving into skateboard trucks

[j....soy.....]

Logos.....

[Ok]

Logos.....

I mean yeah

[DarthDingusMaximus]

Kinda like a reputable wheel brand has great QC and products that have more success then failures.

 For example Wheels Bones, Spitfire, OJ's same concept with trucks Indy, Thunder, and Venture yes there's flaws with each one hangers, kingpins, axles slippage, baseplates etc...... each and every truck brand that comes after these top tiered trucks is a knockoff or a discount version of whatever trucks.


 There might be an exception albeit not under these parental brands Dlxsf, Powell, NHS, Crailtap whatever they try but it has the same flaws any lesser brands.

To me a truck has to have the flow of an Indy and heft that my deck isn't going to take a shit after a few slappies gap or drops. 

[GBLange]

what makes a bad truck bad and a good truck good? the skater

[Freelancevagrant]

Manufacturing, quality of materials, and quality control.

[hot take]

If it breaks it’s bad. If it doesn’t break it’s good.

[texasplant]

Wheelbase placement - some trucks work on particular shapes and others don’t. Short tail? Run aces. Too long? Run Ventures. So many times I’ve managed to save a ‘bad shape’ just by playing with trucks. There’s a reason I try to hold onto every size/brand of truck I buy.

[vhsfisheye]

good trucks match your board and wheel color
color corodination is the key to speed and handling

[Junglist]

What I don't understand how there are trucks that should be good, and have many similar traits/geometry to the big brands and yet fail to deliver. What is it that make them this way (Krux, Royal, etc.)? Also why do Ventures and Aces have very manageable wheelbite where as Indy and Thunder wheelbite much worse, especially when Indy is the tallest out of all of those brands?

[texasplant]

What I don't understand how there are trucks that should be good, and have many similar traits/geometry to the big brands and yet fail to deliver. What is it that make them this way (Krux, Royal, etc.)? Also why do Ventures and Aces have very manageable wheelbite where as Indy and Thunder wheelbite much worse, especially when Indy is the tallest out of all of those brands?

Regarding the wheelbite thing, its the angle of the kingpin! Don’t ask me if its steeper or mellower that helps lessen wheelbite, but just eyeing it - Aces have a much straighter kingpin compared to Thunder/Venture and Indy. Venture kingpins look like they’re at a near 45 degree angle, Aces are probably closer to 70. This is just a dude with lots of pairs of trucks eyeing shit, I’m no engineer.

[Junglist]

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What I don't understand how there are trucks that should be good, and have many similar traits/geometry to the big brands and yet fail to deliver. What is it that make them this way (Krux, Royal, etc.)? Also why do Ventures and Aces have very manageable wheelbite where as Indy and Thunder wheelbite much worse, especially when Indy is the tallest out of all of those brands?

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Regarding the wheelbite thing, its the angle of the kingpin! Don’t ask me if its steeper or mellower that helps lessen wheelbite, but just eyeing it - Aces have a much straighter kingpin compared to Thunder/Venture and Indy. Venture kingpins look like they’re at a near 45 degree angle, Aces are probably closer to 70. This is just a dude with lots of pairs of trucks eyeing shit, I’m no engineer.

Interesting. Just thinking how ace pull in wb more than indy and are lower (51 or 52mm I think), but then indy pull in wb just a little bit more than thunder, with like 5-6mm higher axles, and then venture is pushed way the fuck out and are at like 52-54mm height? crazy. I've seen 80s truck ads that advertise kingpin angles and wrote it off as a gimmick. Makes me wonder how many things you have to look out for when contemplating a new truck experience.

[os89]

[FrozenIndustries]

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What I don't understand how there are trucks that should be good, and have many similar traits/geometry to the big brands and yet fail to deliver. What is it that make them this way (Krux, Royal, etc.)? Also why do Ventures and Aces have very manageable wheelbite where as Indy and Thunder wheelbite much worse, especially when Indy is the tallest out of all of those brands?

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Regarding the wheelbite thing, its the angle of the kingpin! Don’t ask me if its steeper or mellower that helps lessen wheelbite, but just eyeing it - Aces have a much straighter kingpin compared to Thunder/Venture and Indy. Venture kingpins look like they’re at a near 45 degree angle, Aces are probably closer to 70. This is just a dude with lots of pairs of trucks eyeing shit, I’m no engineer.

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Interesting. Just thinking how ace pull in wb more than indy and are lower (51 or 52mm I think), but then indy pull in wb just a little bit more than thunder, with like 5-6mm higher axles, and then venture is pushed way the fuck out and are at like 52-54mm height? crazy. I've seen 80s truck ads that advertise kingpin angles and wrote it off as a gimmick. Makes me wonder how many things you have to look out for when contemplating a new truck experience.

I'm sure someone can elaborate further, but with Aces the axle rotates inward a bit as it moves towards the rails whereas Indys move in a straighter motion towards them. So even though Indy are a full 3mm higher they bite more.

[gyros4heroes]

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What I don't understand how there are trucks that should be good, and have many similar traits/geometry to the big brands and yet fail to deliver. What is it that make them this way (Krux, Royal, etc.)? Also why do Ventures and Aces have very manageable wheelbite where as Indy and Thunder wheelbite much worse, especially when Indy is the tallest out of all of those brands?

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Regarding the wheelbite thing, its the angle of the kingpin! Don’t ask me if its steeper or mellower that helps lessen wheelbite, but just eyeing it - Aces have a much straighter kingpin compared to Thunder/Venture and Indy. Venture kingpins look like they’re at a near 45 degree angle, Aces are probably closer to 70. This is just a dude with lots of pairs of trucks eyeing shit, I’m no engineer.

[close]

Interesting. Just thinking how ace pull in wb more than indy and are lower (51 or 52mm I think), but then indy pull in wb just a little bit more than thunder, with like 5-6mm higher axles, and then venture is pushed way the fuck out and are at like 52-54mm height? crazy. I've seen 80s truck ads that advertise kingpin angles and wrote it off as a gimmick. Makes me wonder how many things you have to look out for when contemplating a new truck experience.

[close]

I'm sure someone can elaborate further, but with Aces the axle rotates inward a bit as it moves towards the rails whereas Indys move in a straighter motion towards them. So even though Indy are a full 3mm higher they bite more.

Thinking about it logically it isn't something too complex. Im sure kingpin and hanger angles work in opposite ways- straighter kingpin-> more angle on the hanger(ace) or lots of angle on the kingpin->straighter hanger(venture).
The more angled the hanger, the more it will move inward