I totally understand the Cariuma hate

[Lessfillingtastegreat]

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Is this their attempt at a Nike “off white” knock off.  With the manufacturing detail on the side. And the rubber duct tape is totally from the the blazer zoom.  I can’t post pics because it’s too complicated.  But damn.  I can’t stand this shit brand.

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If you’re trying to measure the shittiness of a company thinking Nike is better, you’re lost.

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you clearly haven't educated yourself on cariuma then, or maybe you just donate to scientology i'm not sure.

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Asinine.

And is there even a connection to Scientology aside from marketing with one particular Scientologist?

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I’m not even sure what the design statement has to do with joke be cariuma? I’m calling out the inspiration/ cash grab.  And the hopes of making something original. 

Simply calling out the design inspiration. Take your weak ass Nike attack else wear as I don’t give two shits.

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bruh use your other brain cell, please

Truth be told I was totally blown out during this moment. Appreciate the regulation here. 

With that being said I stand by my statement.

[Mike Oxwelling]

Oh Jesus fuck.

Please tell me, nay EDUCATE me on how Cariuma and it’s shitty logo are worse than the the world’s largest and most corporate shoe company with its decades of labor abuse, environmental degradation, repeated attempts to exploit skate culture and general unethical business practices.

Shitty.  Worse.  Those are opinions.   

What's not opinion is where Cariuma is manufactured.  And its a city/nation/state full of human labor violations. 

So we are just left with opinions.   In my opinion.  And for fucks sake that logo is horrid.

 

[R3dBullRox420]

Just to add something more to hate:

- never visited Cariuma's website
- never Googled any of their products
- started receiving newsletter emails from them some months weeks ago
- "whatever, I'll just delete, I don't have time to unsubscribe now"
- finally have time to unsubscribe (never subscribed in the first place)
- emails keep it coming
- unsubscribe again
- still receive emails
- I give up and just accept their shitty emails

Should I DM Mike V?

Are they the sponsored ads at the top of Gmail, or are they actual emails below in your inbox?

If they're full-on emails and what you're saying is true, that's a flagrant violation of email compliance.

Pretty sure they can get a fat fine for not honoring your opt-outs. Even worse if you're based in the UK. Not suggesting you should snitch... but saying

[Cool Ceith]

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Just to add something more to hate:

- never visited Cariuma's website
- never Googled any of their products
- started receiving newsletter emails from them some months weeks ago
- "whatever, I'll just delete, I don't have time to unsubscribe now"
- finally have time to unsubscribe (never subscribed in the first place)
- emails keep it coming
- unsubscribe again
- still receive emails
- I give up and just accept their shitty emails

Should I DM Mike V?

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Are they the sponsored ads at the top of Gmail, or are they actual emails below in your inbox?

If they're full-on emails and what you're saying is true, that's a flagrant violation of email compliance.

Pretty sure they can get a fat fine for not honoring your opt-outs. Even worse if you're based in the UK. Not suggesting you should snitch... but saying

I checked my mailbox last week and found a Cariuma postcard addressed to my wife with a 20% off coupon code for their site. My heart dropped. It was like I had found an open condom wrapper in her pocket or something.

I sat in a chair in the dark and waited for her to come home. When she walked in the door I very calmly asked her, "Is there something you'd like to tell me?" Friends, the make-up sex was unbelievable.

[manysnakes]

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Oh Jesus fuck.

Please tell me, nay EDUCATE me on how Cariuma and it’s shitty logo are worse than the the world’s largest and most corporate shoe company with its decades of labor abuse, environmental degradation, repeated attempts to exploit skate culture and general unethical business practices.

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Shitty.  Worse.  Those are opinions.   

What's not opinion is where Cariuma is manufactured.  And its a city/nation/state full of human labor violations. 

So we are just left with opinions.   In my opinion.  And for fucks sake that logo is horrid.

Please explain what you mean. As I understand it, Cariuma are made in Singapore, which would make them and Last Resort (Thailand) the only skate shoes I know of which are made in a country with an 8 hour workday.

[butterballs for jerry]

Oh Jesus fuck.

Please tell me, nay EDUCATE me on how Cariuma and it’s shitty logo are worse than the the world’s largest and most corporate shoe company with its decades of labor abuse, environmental degradation, repeated attempts to exploit skate culture and general unethical business practices.

Cariuma = Steve Berra, as far as slap is concerned

Hating Berra helps to build a "one of us!" reputation for anyone new, and strengthens the culture of this website for older users.  It is one of the core beliefs of this odd collection of has been's, never were's, and generally salty older people who have posted thousands upon thousands of times on this site. Their views don't need to be generally correct, they just have to all be the same.

As an aside, I'm pretty sure most of the PALS are so vocally "woke" because they were threatened by Highspeed to either cool it with the non-PC shit or get the whole site taken down. So to protect their little hidey-hole, they have about-faced and are quick to shout down anyone who doesn't say the right thing, as far as progressive issues go. It happened very quickly in the past few years. Does nobody remember all the dick pics and pornography?

[Mike Oxwelling]

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Oh Jesus fuck.

Please tell me, nay EDUCATE me on how Cariuma and it’s shitty logo are worse than the the world’s largest and most corporate shoe company with its decades of labor abuse, environmental degradation, repeated attempts to exploit skate culture and general unethical business practices.

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Shitty.  Worse.  Those are opinions.   

What's not opinion is where Cariuma is manufactured.  And its a city/nation/state full of human labor violations. 

So we are just left with opinions.   In my opinion.  And for fucks sake that logo is horrid.

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Please explain what you mean. As I understand it, Cariuma are made in Singapore, which would make them and Last Resort (Thailand) the only skate shoes I know of which are made in a country with an 8 hour workday.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/singapore#f176e9

[manysnakes]

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Oh Jesus fuck.

Please tell me, nay EDUCATE me on how Cariuma and it’s shitty logo are worse than the the world’s largest and most corporate shoe company with its decades of labor abuse, environmental degradation, repeated attempts to exploit skate culture and general unethical business practices.

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Shitty.  Worse.  Those are opinions.   

What's not opinion is where Cariuma is manufactured.  And its a city/nation/state full of human labor violations. 

So we are just left with opinions.   In my opinion.  And for fucks sake that logo is horrid.

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Please explain what you mean. As I understand it, Cariuma are made in Singapore, which would make them and Last Resort (Thailand) the only skate shoes I know of which are made in a country with an 8 hour workday.

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https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/singapore#f176e9

I just don’t understand the reasoning here. I don’t think Singapore has “first world” labor practices, but I am genuinely curious why you single out Cariuma, who are relatively upfront about the factories they use, as being particularly bad when other skate shoe makers still contract out of places like Bangladesh, where labor organizers are still routinely rounded up and killed. Do you have any evidence that Cariuma’s factories are using immigrant labor, withholding wages, etc.?

[rocklobster]

There is NO WAY Cariuma shoes are manufactured in Singapore, it hasn't been a manufacturing hub for decades (much higher labor costs versus the region). It shifted to high end manufacturing (chemicals, oil & gas, electrical) in the 90s and hasn't looked back since.

Singapore is probably their regional sales office or distribution hub, the local government heavily incentives foreign companies to setup shop here through generous tax incentives and an educated workforce. Cariuma probably continues to manufacture in developing country where labor is cheap, that's a reality of economics / capitalism.

[Sick_McCrank_]

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Oh Jesus fuck.

Please tell me, nay EDUCATE me on how Cariuma and it’s shitty logo are worse than the the world’s largest and most corporate shoe company with its decades of labor abuse, environmental degradation, repeated attempts to exploit skate culture and general unethical business practices.

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Cariuma = Steve Berra, as far as slap is concerned

Hating Berra helps to build a "one of us!" reputation for anyone new, and strengthens the culture of this website for older users.  It is one of the core beliefs of this odd collection of has been's, never were's, and generally salty older people who have posted thousands upon thousands of times on this site. Their views don't need to be generally correct, they just have to all be the same.

As an aside, I'm pretty sure most of the PALS are so vocally "woke" because they were threatened by Highspeed to either cool it with the non-PC shit or get the whole site taken down. So to protect their little hidey-hole, they have about-faced and are quick to shout down anyone who doesn't say the right thing, as far as progressive issues go. It happened very quickly in the past few years. Does nobody remember all the dick pics and pornography?

I think you’re on to something. It’s all about getting your genitals sucked or suck the others genitals. Anyways, Berra is a weird dude…

[HeapsCool]

Its pretty funny this hole protect nike at all costs attitude that Slap has adopted in the face of Cariuma. WTF? Nike used to sponsor the berrics. Nike has documented slave labor practices. But everyone else here is like "I'm SURE cariuma are evil, I just don't have any clear proof beyond this weird pack circle jerk where you gotta hate the right shit for gnars. We're not like reddit though. We like obscure bands and have stories about skating in Portland."

Fuck all of you. Recreationally outraged but racist about corporate companies that aren't American or Euro. Dumbass man boys who were never in a frat but act like skateboarding is one big one.

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

I hate Nike as much as I hate Cariuma, if not more so!

[Alan]

racist about corporate companies

[manysnakes]

Its pretty funny this hole protect nike at all costs attitude that Slap has adopted in the face of Cariuma. WTF? Nike used to sponsor the berrics. Nike has documented slave labor practices. But everyone else here is like "I'm SURE cariuma are evil, I just don't have any clear proof beyond this weird pack circle jerk where you gotta hate the right shit for gnars.

I’m not sure it’s racist, but otherwise I agree and this is the same point I’ve been trying to drive at multiple times in this thread. No one can really articulate a reason, other than how they are marketed, why they don’t like Cariuma.

The fact is that there is no meaningful distinction between Cariuma and a company like Last Resort or eS, or even Nike, if you can ignore the scale. I think it’s clear that the reason for the hate is that they are marketing these shoes to the “wrong” type of skateboarder.

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dude
was it started by a skateboarder is a meaningful distinction

Sidenote: The price people can afford / accept AND companies margins are the main reason skate shoes are made in these countries

[OldSkater]

A story of nostalgia, skateboarding, and duct tape..

https://cariuma.com/products/mil-pro-black-suede-sneaker-men

Only $120. The white ones are already sold out, better snap 'em up while we can!

this is just as cringe as the people who buy pre-distressed jeans with the holes in the knees

[devourthehours]

People kind of gave up on Nike hate because they've just been around long enough and taken a foothold that no one cares anymore. If Cariuma survives long enough, most people here will probably move on and hate the next new thing that comes out. It's the slap hate cycle.

[manysnakes]

dude
was it started by a skateboarder is a meaningful distinction

Which is why people love Nike, adidas, New Balance, Vans, etc., right? I really don't see why it matters whether or not the profits at the top flow to a skateboarder or not. "Skate capitalism" is a very weird urge I see here which I cannot explain.

Sidenote: The price people can afford / accept AND companies margins are the main reason skate shoes are made in these countries

lol you don't say!

[manysnakes]

People kind of gave up on Nike hate because they've just been around long enough and taken a foothold that no one cares anymore. If Cariuma survives long enough, most people here will probably move on and hate the next new thing that comes out. It's the slap hate cycle.

Of course. Maybe they'll even eventually sign the right pros and dial in their marketing in such a way that these same people will love them and there'll be a Cariuma thread in the gear forum.

[big_kev_215]

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Its pretty funny this hole protect nike at all costs attitude that Slap has adopted in the face of Cariuma. WTF? Nike used to sponsor the berrics. Nike has documented slave labor practices. But everyone else here is like "I'm SURE cariuma are evil, I just don't have any clear proof beyond this weird pack circle jerk where you gotta hate the right shit for gnars.

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I’m not sure it’s racist, but otherwise I agree and this is the same point I’ve been trying to drive at multiple times in this thread. No one can really articulate a reason, other than how they are marketed, why they don’t like Cariuma.

The fact is that there is no meaningful distinction between Cariuma and a company like Last Resort or eS, or even Nike, if you can ignore the scale. I think it’s clear that the reason for the hate is that they are marketing these shoes to the “wrong” type of skateboarder.

I think it simply boils down to Nike SB is cool (most of the pros on the team, aesthetics of the products, collaborations, etc.).  Cariuma is not cool.  People are willing to look past a lot more for something desirable in life and in skateboarding. 

[doublesteveburger]

i get what you're saying but really what it boils down to really is that cariuma has cooties and are like total posers whereas nike may be giant doodoo heads and are mean to children but they paid for gino's groceries for a decade plus

[IpathCats]

i get what you're saying but really what it boils down to really is that cariuma has cooties and are like total posers whereas nike may be giant doodoo heads and are mean to children but they paid for gino's groceries for a decade plus

big fax

[manysnakes]

So like I said, skaters are mad that Cariuma chose to market to the "wrong" type of skateboarder. That's ok, I just find it hilarious the convoluted lengths people are going here to in order to obscure or explain that fact.

[Mike Oxwelling]

So like I said, skaters are mad that Cariuma chose to market to the "wrong" type of skateboarder. That's ok, I just find it hilarious the convoluted lengths people are going here to in order to obscure or explain that fact.

Or maybe there's more.   Skateboarders wore Nike for decades prior to them tryin to be a part of it.   As is the first issue of Thrasher has them drawn on the skater in the drawing.  FTC sold Nike Blazers in 1993.   Skateboarding adored Nike before they heavily marketed themselves into it.

So whether you're a sustainability guy all for the "new guy" that never once had any presence in skateboarding, or one that recognizes that Nike had been sponsoring folks even in the 80s (I think it was the G&S team?   Grosso mentions it in a Love Letter I believe?) and helped skaters for decades prior to the current Cariuma ad onslaught and sad saturation of the market.

I mean if your go to guy it the guy that calls himself....literally....the greatest of all time....then I don't know what to tell you.   You're not going to understand the hate.

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So like I said, skaters are mad that Cariuma chose to market to the "wrong" type of skateboarder. That's ok, I just find it hilarious the convoluted lengths people are going here to in order to obscure or explain that fact.

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Or maybe there's more.   Skateboarders wore Nike for decades prior to them tryin to be a part of it.   As is the first issue of Thrasher has them drawn on the skater in the drawing.  FTC sold Nike Blazers in 1993.   Skateboarding adored Nike before they heavily marketed themselves into it.

So whether you're a sustainability guy all for the "new guy" that never once had any presence in skateboarding, or one that recognizes that Nike had been sponsoring folks even in the 80s (I think it was the G&S team?   Grosso mentions it in a Love Letter I believe?) and helped skaters for decades prior to the current Cariuma ad onslaught and sad saturation of the market.

I mean if your go to guy it the guy that calls himself....literally....the greatest of all time....then I don't know what to tell you.   You're not going to understand the hate.

This is incomprehensible gibberish, but from what I can understand of it, nothing you said contradicted my central argument.

[Mike Oxwelling]

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Just look at the side profile

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Looks like a fuckin shuttlecock

my bad @manysnakes   I should have stuck to the kiss rule.  Zero 2 was sick!!!!

[manysnakes]

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So like I said, skaters are mad that Cariuma chose to market to the "wrong" type of skateboarder. That's ok, I just find it hilarious the convoluted lengths people are going here to in order to obscure or explain that fact.

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a gross oversimplification of what i said but since it seems like you're dead set on playing devil's advocate for cariuma, go off

In what way is that an oversimplification? The only issues you stated were manners in which the shoes are marketed.

[BartHarleyJarvis]

Here's my Cariuma story: I used to skate primarily Nike but I was sort of over it and wanted to try some other shoes, ideally smaller companies. I saw Ben Degros' video on the Cariumas and thought they were sort of interesting. I wasn't on SLAP yet and didn't know much about the berrics connection at the time, I just thought it was a new company targeting youtube skaters pushing a new "eco friendly" shoe. I figured it was worth a shot.

The first red flag was that they OVERNIGHT AIR your shoes from Asia. Which, I don't care how eco friendly your manufacturing is, that's about the least efficient/least eco friendly way to ship your shoes I can imagine. The shoes were fine, really nothing special, but every time I walked they would *squeak*. It was super obnoxious and weird so i talked to their customer service, and they overnighted ANOTHER pair that I didn't want or ask for. At that point I was pretty much over it.

As far as how they skated: they were fine. The sole is really thick all the way around and it messed with my kickflips for a while, but I got used to them. They were pretty durable, though I tore the logo on the side right away. I skated them for a couple of months and I've been skating LRABs since.

I started to realize something was up because every time i went to the skatepark I would get some looks and at least one person would ALWAYS ask me about them. That's when I started looking into it and learned everyone basically hates them.

[i halfcab board ledges]

A story of nostalgia, skateboarding, and duct tape..

https://cariuma.com/products/mil-pro-black-suede-sneaker-men

Only $120. The white ones are already sold out, better snap 'em up while we can!

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WHERE IS THE ATTENTION FOR THESE,  THIS MIGHT B THE FUNNIEST SHIT IVE SEEN.  cariuma makes me cry holy shit, actual ductape ollie cap thx cariuma for providing me with genius idea of shoes that are alreadyh ugly for 120$, could get 120 dollar tacos instead

[Banned from the room]

Badminton shoes.

Ima go get a salad