Why didn't Howard Grind stick?

[bob george]

It's always scary to start a topic but this feels like a fair question. I came up to think of a 180 switch crook as a howard grind, but it generally seems to be referred to in the former, but barleys and bennetts seem pretty concrete. Suski's even pretty locked in, and I would say that I hear Pupecki more often than I hear howard.

Did you grow up thinking of it as a howard grind?

While I'm here, what was the deal with K-grind for crooks? A lot of the skaters of the 90s here in Australia seem pretty planted in calling them K grind.

Oh and another while i'm thinking about it, was a backside sugarcane {on transition obviously - do people do sugarcanes in the street?!} ever a miller grind? - is there are a miller grind or is this a melted memory?

[Guwop]

pupecki is a bs 180

[botefdunn]

never knew Bryan Howard had the street skills like that. K grind is for Koston.

[Nicki]

never knew Bryan Howard had the street skills like that. K grind is for Koston.

Brian Howard was straight butter, rad coping tricks - probably could do Howard grind on vert.

[j....soy.....]

It's always scary to start a topic but this feels like a fair question. I came up to think of a 180 switch crook as a howard grind, but it generally seems to be referred to in the former, but barleys and bennetts seem pretty concrete. Suski's even pretty locked in, and I would say that I hear Pupecki more often than I hear howard.

Did you grow up thinking of it as a howard grind?

While I'm here, what was the deal with K-grind for crooks? A lot of the skaters of the 90s here in Australia seem pretty planted in calling them K grind.

Oh and another while i'm thinking about it, was a backside sugarcane {on transition obviously - do people do sugarcanes in the street?!} ever a miller grind? - is there are a miller grind or is this a melted memory?

Look at the eras....is there Henry Sanchez anything?  Despite everything he did?  That's what early/mid 90's was killing everything that was the 80's ie. Naming tricks after yourself......but yes...thanks for mentioning this as I now think Bennets, Barleys, and Suski's are even dumber than a front 180 fakie 5-0 ever will be....

Sugarcane has always been a sugarcane.....Miller just did them....he invented the Crossbone.....which could have easily been called the Millair...but that would have been stupid so of course it never happened...

Re Howard grind...I think Rick on Vichflip vs. Rick flip....'he can have it....' 

[Cosme]

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.... is there Henry Sanchez anything?  ...

I've heard Sanchez Grind for a BS 180 Fakie FS 5-0 (top right seq here)

[bob george]

pupecki is a bs 180

yeah, i worded that a little off, i just mean you hear more people call a pupecki grind a pupecki grind, despite howard having a higher profile and i would've thought a more common trick for people to hold on to. wasn't saying they were the same trick.

Never put K-grind, Koston connection together.

[Cosme]

K grind is for Koston.

Never put K-grind, Koston connection together.

Also, once and for all: the K-grind is for Dan Peterka

[ziggy]

willy grind was invented by Willy Santos, right?

[mattchew]

willy grind was invented by Willy Santos, right?

https://chromeballincident.blogspot.com/2011/08/chrome-ball-interview-30-willy-santos.html?m=1

Was this a Willy Grind?

No, it was a fakie nosegrind.

Okay, let’s get this straight for everybody: I didn’t invent the Willy Grind. Rob Dyrdek swears that I invented it but the person that invented it was Derek Williams. He rode for Santa Cruz and was a local over at McGill’s skatepark with Peter Hewitt, Jordan Richter, Matt Goldsby and those guys.

There’s a sequence in Transworld, it’s a How-To, and it’s Derek Williams showing how to do a Willy Grind. They called it a Willy Grind because his last name is Williams. But somehow over the years, I don’t know if Derek skates anymore, but that trick has gotten put on me.

If you look in any magazine or in any videos, I have never had any footage or photos of me doing a Willy grind.

So after two decades, the truth comes out.

Exactly. I actually asked Dave Swift a couple of months ago if we could do something in the Skateboard Mag so people would know that I didn’t invent it but it never happened.

Well, we’re gonna do it now, Willy.

There we go. We’ll put it up on Chrome Ball: I did not invent the Willy grind.

[hot take]

There’s something about skaters naming tricks after their name that just irks me. I remember reading about how tony hawk named the stale fish. It has aspects of a story and setting behind it that’s actually memorable.

Mike smith and Allen gelfand were probably smith grinding and doing ollies for awhile but it would be really awesome to be able to pinpoint the exact session they invented the trick.

I imagine there’s all types of names for tricks that didn’t stick. For instance, I hate the name blizzard flip. I would never call it that.

[DirtyBurger]

There’s something about skaters naming tricks after their name that just irks me. I remember reading about how tony hawk named the stale fish. It has aspects of a story and setting behind it that’s actually memorable.

Mike smith and Allen gelfand were probably smith grinding and doing ollies for awhile but it would be really awesome to be able to pinpoint the exact session they invented the trick.

I imagine there’s all types of names for tricks that didn’t stick. For instance, I hate the name blizzard flip. I would never call it that.

I hate the name laser flip and it's ugly so I feel you there. Also Bennet grinds are sick and I wish I could do them.

[Dark Knight]

I always thought Henry Sanchez did it first at EMB, then Howard. Could be totally off though as it was so long ago.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/SLyCl8I_NGI/AAAAAAAABZ0/D2kuWkSSevk/s1600-h/henryembchrome.jpg

I’m pretty sure it was Henry though because I specifically remember being blown away by it and then being stoked to see Howard do it after.

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There’s something about skaters naming tricks after their name that just irks me. I remember reading about how tony hawk named the stale fish. It has aspects of a story and setting behind it that’s actually memorable.

Mike smith and Allen gelfand were probably smith grinding and doing ollies for awhile but it would be really awesome to be able to pinpoint the exact session they invented the trick.

I imagine there’s all types of names for tricks that didn’t stick. For instance, I hate the name blizzard flip. I would never call it that.

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I hate the name laser flip and it's ugly so I feel you there. Also Bennet grinds are sick and I wish I could do them.

I doubt Bennett and barley named their tricks. They just did them sooo proper everybody else named them

[spungo]

Did Karl Watson do k grinds before Koston though?  There's been some debate

[Lou Strux]

Anybody remember calling a Feeble a “Grapefruit grind?”

Though not literally named after somebody per se, I do enjoy the origin story of the Salad grind’s naming.

[AfterBlackEnderEnder]

Howard grind doesn’t roll off the tongue very well. Rick flip does. He still has that. The Howie grind he does in Carroll’s part in Modus is forever in my brain, though. So perfect.

[Atiba Applebum]

Barley grind works because it refers to such an iconic execution of that trick.   

Suski grind, like Suciu Grind, work because they are known for doing it and seem to be the only ones doing it. 

Smith Grind has just been used so much that it’s name has lost all meaning and I don’t even think of it as being named after someone. 

[HugeBodBoyle]

Anybody remember calling a Feeble a “Grapefruit grind?”

Though not literally named after somebody per se, I do enjoy the origin story of the Salad grind’s naming.

I actually do remember the grapefruit grind name for feebles. I wanna say this was in a trick tip?

[anon]

Oh and another while i'm thinking about it, was a backside sugarcane {on transition obviously - do people do sugarcanes in the street?!} ever a miller grind? - is there are a miller grind or is this a melted memory?

kenny anderson refers to them as such
https://youtu.be/ip--2ht-rDs?t=12

Anybody remember calling a Feeble a “Grapefruit grind?”

chris cole mentioned it on the nine club as an alley-oop frontside 180 to switch feeble

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has anyone heard it called a gino grind?

is barley technically starting off switch?
so a "switch barley" would be regular stance

[Lenny the Fatface]

Since we’re talking about trick name origins...

I’ve been told that the skater whom the smith grind is named after wasn’t the first to do it. He created the smith stall but some other dudes started grinding it. Does anyone know if that is true?

[anon]

Since we’re talking about trick name origins...

I’ve been told that the skater whom the smith grind is named after wasn’t the first to do it. He created the smith stall but some other dudes started grinding it. Does anyone know if that is true?

"ah, smith stop"
https://youtu.be/Dz1KGi4yAYQ?t=58

[Lenny the Fatface]

Thanks dude! RIP Grosso.

[Craig Lutzka]

Anyone know the story behind “salad grind” I’ve always wondered.

[Frank]

didn't stick, ledge was waxed good with banana peels, needed potassium

[Bizarro Jerry]

Anyone know the story behind “salad grind” I’ve always wondered.

I think it was done by Eric Dressen, salad dressing -- Eric Dressing/Dressen. Something like that.

[ok boomer]

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K grind is for Koston.

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Never put K-grind, Koston connection together.

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Also, once and for all: the K-grind is for Dan Peterka

A G amongst G's

[GardenSkater77]

A Pointer grind was what Thrasher called this Henry Sanchez trick on the cover. May have come before K grind.



‘Don’t call crooked grinds K-grinds at EMB or the locals will think your are on Koston’s nuts and call you a T-dog’.

I’m paraphrasing from a Big Brother article.

[botefdunn]

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K grind is for Koston.

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Never put K-grind, Koston connection together.

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Also, once and for all: the K-grind is for Dan Peterka

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A G amongst G's

a k amongst ks?

cosme i chuckled imagining a little animated smoke puff out your ears, happy boxing day

[layzieyez]

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K grind is for Koston.

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Never put K-grind, Koston connection together.

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Also, once and for all: the K-grind is for Dan Peterka

He sat on them comfortably first. Compare it to what Henry Sanchez is doing on that cover.