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^My routine's very similar. I'm not a Nike simp but "just do it" seems to work best for all my usual stuff.
When I'm learning something new and I'm starting to get close I try to focus on no more than 3 things per attempt. I can only consciously work on so many things at the same time, so whenever I try to adhere to more than 3 cues simultaneously I tend to not execute any of them properly. With any given trick there are lots of different things I need to do in regards to front and back foot placement, shoulder movement prior to and after the snap, pop, flick, rotation, and so on. Way too much stuff to consciously think of all of it at the same time, so I break it down to 3 cues per attempt until I've got those down and then move on to the next 3. Rinse and repeat until I've got the trick on lock.
Three cues sounds like a lot to me, would be very distracting, I legitimately have no idea how you can do that. To me learning new tricks always has been about simplifying analytic thought process to the max (by precisely identifying what matters) and either jettisoning it completely (once my basic technique is finally rich enough to afford doing), or solely focusing it onto one single aspect and moment. Like if any cue, then there has to be just one per attempt, and only once I can achieve the desired result to a point where it starts feeling natural (which doesn't necessarily mean landing the trick, could be e.g.. just managing to consistently lock in) then I move onto the next one and build up like that. Always worked for me, got that from the Mullen ON Video interview as a kid and it just stuck as the most optimal deconstruction of the process when nerding out on 'new' stuff. 'No thinking', 'blank out' approach on the other hand is apparent Penny mindset-inspired but that's for stuff I already know how to do.
Unless you count stuff like the positioning of each foot, or going at the appropriate speed, etc. as cues which I too consider as long as it matters (and it does) but also take for granted after a while and stop seriously thinking about as steps, and more like general practical standards. Breaking down skateboarding is super tempting and yet whatever happens just in the moment always wins.
after always just being a pop, float, and stomp sort of skater with minimal change in foot position, in trying to learn 360 flips i feel like there is a massive amount of mind/body communication and proprioception necessary. Its like “ok back foot here, this far off the tail. Last three toe insertion points are pressing down with toes way off the tail. Flex back foot down/away from shin at ankle while also scooping backwards with eyes are on front foot/knee. Dont forget to jump up and let that front foot catch”
Its helpful at this point to close my eyes and watch/imagine myself doing it step by step. And, a few weeks in, i havent gotten it yet. So maybe im over thinking it it just seems like such a foreign trick to me
I think that's what I meant to explain in my last paragraph, in a sense what I just said could sound like it contradicts my older post in this very thread or even just my tendency for breaking down trick principles on here, just the way I see it there is a time and place for everything, hyperfocus seems important when learning a trick (or learning how to take it somewhere new and difficult) but with the more you become confident on the maneuver the less it should persist, or after a while you might end up overthinking everything you do/actually know how to do and that would just be parasitic.
It's funny you mention 360 flips since I know I still 'watch' mine a bit more than I watch most other tricks (I don't do them on flat that often), and you're basically describing the same process I was bringing up I catch myself doing sometimes in the old post, which I wrote after I had been messing with hardflips again for the first time in xx years and so had to pay closer attention to than normal. But those are maneuvers I'm not sure exactly are trick specific and setting up your feet at the end of the day is an extension of one's board control. The way I see it is there are varying types of postures and pressures you can apply onto your skateboard in order to get this or that response whilst riding, and then different trick 'families' will appear upon exaggerating and tweaking each type a certain way, and so it should come to no surprise that if you can backside 360 ollie you can probably ollie impossible, if you can frontside kickflip you definitely can do darkslides. Can think of it as adjustments so redundant overall they keep encouraging exploring new personal paths not to get bored but also (and more importantly in this context) form a common moveset that one has to study and learn for a bit in order to figure out at first sure, but should aim at eventually, ideally just feel and integrate in their natural skating instead of forever staying mentally rooted in non-stop calculus. Just like when playing an instrument you know how to play, or even just typing on your phone and keyboard you stop consciously considering the precise mechanics of what you're doing every second and just flow with it; you know what's going to happen in exchange for this or that feeling, barely ever looking and then oops sometimes you fuck up.
But even when learning something new and approaching it from a technical standpoint (with the basics acquired and so no need to overthink too hard) I think it's better to think about only one goal at a time, and also be fair on yourself re: progression stages, e.g.. do back tails on the small curb on and off for a few days before you pretend you actually have any idea why your back tail on the bench isn't working 'today', but actually do the back tails on the small curb too and don't just think about them, or halfass two and call it practice, actually desire to figure them out and put in just the appropriate work. Only after you've stopped thinking about them and can do them regardless, you go to the bench. Or you keep skating the small curb if you realize that's fun enough (and in truth, it probably is) and then end up doing/learning something else entirely because you probably never really wanted to back tail the bench anyway.
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