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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #330 on: May 08, 2022, 04:14:58 PM »
Just weighed my AF1 55 and 55 low. Lows are 377, standard 396. Only a 19 gram difference in weight. Not 33 grams like they are advertising. Kinda lame tbh, they’re lighter, but not much…

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #331 on: May 08, 2022, 08:01:35 PM »
Looks like NFG has something….

To me Ace stock feel like a better version of OG Indy stock….

No low barrels sadly.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #332 on: May 08, 2022, 09:41:03 PM »
Just weighed my AF1 55 and 55 low. Lows are 377, standard 396. Only a 19 gram difference in weight. Not 33 grams like they are advertising. Kinda lame tbh, they’re lighter, but not much…

This might sound ridiculous but beware of the number 33. You'll find many shills, corporations and fake news articles using that number.

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Once enlightened to this bit of info you'll notice 33 is a warning. Presenting a recent example I am wrapping up a custody battle and was served with paperwork (a interrogatory). I read all the laws associated with this document which lead to the final law of ars family law 33. There is no consequence for choosing to ignore the filing.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #333 on: May 10, 2022, 05:30:22 AM »
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Just weighed my AF1 55 and 55 low. Lows are 377, standard 396. Only a 19 gram difference in weight. Not 33 grams like they are advertising. Kinda lame tbh, they’re lighter, but not much…
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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #334 on: May 10, 2022, 06:16:07 AM »
He's being deadly serious and it is also why Bobby Puelo won't ride Ace Lows.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #335 on: May 10, 2022, 06:56:24 AM »
So Ace Lows weigh as much as an Indy Hollow in the same size. It seems that a lot of trucks sit in that ~360g sweet spot.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #336 on: May 10, 2022, 08:07:26 AM »
So Ace Lows weigh as much as an Indy Hollow in the same size. It seems that a lot of trucks sit in that ~360g sweet spot.

No they don’t. Indy hollows weigh 358 grams and ace lows weigh 377 grams. That’s 20 grams.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #337 on: May 10, 2022, 11:19:26 AM »
Just weighed my AF1 55 and 55 low. Lows are 377, standard 396. Only a 19 gram difference in weight. Not 33 grams like they are advertising. Kinda lame tbh, they’re lighter, but not much…

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So Ace Lows weigh as much as an Indy Hollow in the same size. It seems that a lot of trucks sit in that ~360g sweet spot.
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No they don’t. Indy hollows weigh 358 grams and ace lows weigh 377 grams. That’s 20 grams.

af1 55s are 8.5" (which is the truck in question)

149 TI = 340g
149 Forged hollow =358g
149 Indy standard hollow = 369g
149 Forged Hollow mid (50.5mm) is 379g
148 Standard Mids = 392g
149 Standards = 394g

So Standard vs Standard we're talking 3 grams between Indy/ACE.

Indy hollow forged Mids (50.5mm) vs ACE Low (49mm) also, 2g difference. (Indy shaving off 2g with a hollow axle)
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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #338 on: May 10, 2022, 02:38:38 PM »
19 grams is almost the weight of 4 United States Quarter Dollar Coins

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #339 on: May 10, 2022, 11:07:36 PM »
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I’m considering giving the AF1 55 low’s a try. I tried the regular AF1’s for a while, and even though I really liked the turn and general feel, I had the feeling that it was just more difficult to do my tricks on due to the heavy feel. How is that with the lows? Is the pop/flip feeling lighter due to the reduced weight and height? And is the steering still comparable even though the bushings are smaller?
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They are 20g lighter, and also shorten the wheelbase even more. And lower obviously, which leads to an even quicker pop. Steering is amazing. These are the best trucks I've ever been blessed to skate.

I felt like the new royals are going to be the only trucks in my future because they were better than everything I've tried, but ace made a comeback with these lows. Huge win for ace and the people in my opinion

Thanks for sharing your experience :)

I'm currently skating an enjoi 8.5" with 14.25" WB with Indy Titanium 149's. The Ace AF1 Low's are a bit heavier, but do you guys think that the height is going to make the pop feel lighter than the Indy Titaniums?

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #340 on: May 11, 2022, 08:17:21 AM »
Well your nose/tail will hit way sooner: it’s not only lower, but also with the wheelbase pushed in.  This may be interpreted as ‘lighter’. 

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #341 on: May 11, 2022, 12:11:27 PM »
Well your nose/tail will hit way sooner: it’s not only lower, but also with the wheelbase pushed in.  This may be interpreted as ‘lighter’.


I thought the wheelbase was extended making it longer, not pushed in closer.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #342 on: May 11, 2022, 01:22:09 PM »
You are mistaken….

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #343 on: May 15, 2022, 12:15:55 AM »
I thought I wanted the stability of having a bones hard top especially for it being a low for easier wheelbite but mysteriously it’s now a little tight to where im just gonna throw the stock top back on

Do pivot cups break in too?

Like how the Indy and thunder bushings would start out all soft and mushy then broke in and stiffened up
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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #344 on: May 15, 2022, 09:38:24 AM »
I’ve been told the bushings will harden up as well after three weeks. I’d be psyched on a low hard ace bushing but I recognize it’s a bit of an ask….

I’ve put on 52’s and I don’t find the wheelbite excessive….a bit on impact but never while turning out of something.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #345 on: May 15, 2022, 09:45:29 AM »
I’ve been told the bushings will harden up as well after three weeks. I’d be psyched on a low hard ace bushing but I recognize it’s a bit of an ask….

I’ve put on 52’s and I don’t find the wheelbite excessive….a bit on impact but never while turning out of something.

That's going to depend how much you skate and maybe how tight you have your trucks. I think they harden with use. Either way, they definitely do firm up. Took about four two hour sessions for my Ace bushings to get there but this was on the Standard AF1s.

After the first session I nearly ordered some hards but glad I held off.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #346 on: May 15, 2022, 09:57:13 AM »
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I’ve been told the bushings will harden up as well after three weeks. I’d be psyched on a low hard ace bushing but I recognize it’s a bit of an ask….

I’ve put on 52’s and I don’t find the wheelbite excessive….a bit on impact but never while turning out of something.
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That's going to depend how much you skate and maybe how tight you have your trucks. I think they harden with use. Either way, they definitely do firm up. Took about four two hour sessions for my Ace bushings to get there but this was on the Standard AF1s.

After the first session I nearly ordered some hards but glad I held off.

The lows definitely firm up the same way, but I'd say the change is not as drastic due to less bushing material being there. They're still pretty soft after a few weeks of skating and feel amazing

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #347 on: May 21, 2022, 05:10:45 PM »
I'd like to know how the guys who tried these think the pinch on crooked grinds and similar is. I think the Ace pinch isn't its strong point, although it's still decent, and maybe the lows being lower have a way better pinch than the normal 53mm? Also i've been wondering "where the pop comes from" since they're very low and also have a very short wheelbase; you'd like to pair these truck with a very steep board i guess? What you guys think?

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #348 on: May 21, 2022, 10:20:40 PM »
My crook sucks but I’d say they pinch better because you are so close to the ledge and I think they add to the fingers of flat which makes a bigger zone?  Does that make sense? 

I agree, I’d consider these trucks on something with a steep kick.

The pop to me feels similar to a thunder….but thunder being more stable like a venture, you can use the pockets better….the ace is still quick and light…

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #349 on: May 22, 2022, 11:59:19 PM »
What's the verdict on these? Worth the hype if I'm looking for a low truck in the 8.25 range?
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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #350 on: May 23, 2022, 02:25:16 AM »
What's the verdict on these? Worth the hype if I'm looking for a low truck in the 8.25 range?

I'll vouch for them 100%. The only thing I'm gonna warn you and everyone else about is that ace sizes are stupid. The axle on the 44 is 8.25, but the hanger is just as wide as an 8.0 indy/thunder (139/140mm). BUT the 8.5 AF1 is also not the standard 149mm, but only 145/146mm. So if you want a 144, you might wanna go with the 8.5 truck for a 8.25 deck.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #351 on: May 23, 2022, 06:52:20 AM »
I’d say it’s this truck vs a thunder in the battle of the low trucks….

Ace Lo: Pro: less wheelbite, wheelbase tighter, turn well
Thunder: lighter options, more stable.

Worth a try I think.  The af-1 and classics are too clunky for me, this truck is way more skateable.  I liked being so low and the wheelbite doesn’t eject you like a thunder.  The weight didn’t bother me that much either. 

That said I skated my old ventures yesterday and skating flat and doing manuals is just easier.  It could be my lack of skill….. 

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #352 on: May 23, 2022, 06:54:21 AM »
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What's the verdict on these? Worth the hype if I'm looking for a low truck in the 8.25 range?
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I'll vouch for them 100%. The only thing I'm gonna warn you and everyone else about is that ace sizes are stupid. The axle on the 44 is 8.25, but the hanger is just as wide as an 8.0 indy/thunder (139/140mm). BUT the 8.5 AF1 is also not the standard 149mm, but only 145/146mm. So if you want a 144, you might wanna go with the 8.5 truck for a 8.25 deck.

Good insight, anyone else found also ride the 55 on a 8.25?

I'm used to sticking 2-3 washers on the inside of my axle anyway. First time I'd be riding a 8.5 truck.
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5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #353 on: May 23, 2022, 07:11:33 AM »
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What's the verdict on these? Worth the hype if I'm looking for a low truck in the 8.25 range?
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I'll vouch for them 100%. The only thing I'm gonna warn you and everyone else about is that ace sizes are stupid. The axle on the 44 is 8.25, but the hanger is just as wide as an 8.0 indy/thunder (139/140mm). BUT the 8.5 AF1 is also not the standard 149mm, but only 145/146mm. So if you want a 144, you might wanna go with the 8.5 truck for a 8.25 deck.
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Good insight, anyone else found also ride the 55 on a 8.25?

I'm used to sticking 2-3 washers on the inside of my axle anyway. First time I'd be riding a 8.5 truck.

I also ride AF1 55s on my 8.25. I'm using the spitfire og shape 52mm and the width from wheel edge to edge is 8.18, still inside the rails of the 8.25. Hope this helps.

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #354 on: June 02, 2022, 01:34:59 PM »
I’ve been told the bushings will harden up as well after three weeks. I’d be psyched on a low hard ace bushing but I recognize it’s a bit of an ask….

I’ve put on 52’s and I don’t find the wheelbite excessive….a bit on impact but never while turning out of something.

Sometime in the past few weeks, hard bushings for the Lows showed up on the Ace shop, so they’ll probably be hitting real shops soon.

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/skate-accessories/products/ace-low-hard-bushings

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #355 on: June 02, 2022, 02:22:48 PM »
That’s cool.  The bones stiffened things up but still have some movement with the conical bushing. I’m curious what the harder barrel feels like. 

I went back to ventures.  What I miss about the ace is the easier tippy nose for nose manuals, just being low is kinda nice, and the grind.  I’m sure lots of people still like the classics but the AF1 worked well for me. 

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #356 on: June 04, 2022, 05:28:06 AM »
Mine came in the mail today, really tempted to set the up but I got a couple of tricks I want to work on during the AM session. Worried going from Venture (forged plates) to Ace will be too drastic a change in WB. Also, trucks with no grooves are the worse.
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FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #357 on: June 04, 2022, 03:17:24 PM »
I’m only three sessions in on them but I love my 60s so far (coming most recently from indy 159 titaniums). The pop feel is much better than it was with the 55 classics imo. Somebody in some thread said that loose Indy’s feel like your balancing on the kingpin and I never really got that til I switched back and forth between these two setups. The ace lows are miles more stable, and I run all trucks just to point of wobbliness. 

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #358 on: June 04, 2022, 06:33:11 PM »
@kneebone What size deck and wheels you runnning with the 60 Lows? How's the wheelbite?

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Re: New Ace AF1 *Low* announced
« Reply #359 on: June 05, 2022, 10:59:34 AM »
@kneebone What size deck and wheels you runnning with the 60 Lows? How's the wheelbite?

53mm Classics wheelbite exactly when the top washer hits the hanger. Anything smaller, you’ll probably bind before you get wheelbite. Anything bigger, you’ll definitely get some.

A hard top bushing is a really good fix, though. Doesn’t affect the turn much, but cushions the end of the turn enough that I don’t have to worry about the wheelbite.

Been riding these with a 66 hanger, btw, but the 60 felt pretty much the same.