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views on kids before marriage?
« on: February 08, 2022, 11:24:39 AM »
i think marriage first then kids second. its like taking initiations and steps in order to be have your sacred union sorted out first in order to be your best for the kids. what are your thoughts on the matter?

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2022, 11:44:37 AM »
no sex before marriage. for sure.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2022, 11:44:52 AM »
Finances gotta be A1 before kids!
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2022, 11:57:29 AM »
No strong views either way, shit happens.

While of course there’s a lot of evidence suggesting  that getting married before popping out kids is more ideal for everyone, it’s not like the nuclear family structure is how humans were designed to live.

According to the book Sapiens, when humans were hunter gatherers we roamed fertile areas in colonies of 50-150 people where the entire group raised children and everyone who weren’t biologically related fucked each other.

The concept of marriage only develops after we discovered shit humans aren’t even supposed to do like farming, establish city states, and create economic systems etc.
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2022, 12:14:49 PM »
Me and Mine have been together for 7 or so years. The only reason we talk about marriage is for health insurance purposes- she's got a job with insurance, I don't. Things are good as they are and there's no need to complicate it with marriage right now.

We also talk about having a kid within the next couple years and again, marriage has nothing to do with it at this point in time.

Our sacred union has been initiated time and again through the yoga of love and relationships. Might have a ceremony of love or something at some point, but the legal stuff is less than ideal for us.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2022, 12:23:02 PM »
My parents had me accidentally before they were married at the ages of around 20, however having young parents was great during my childhood as they were super active then and also by the time i was old enough they were still able to go on ski/motorcycle trips as they were only 40 by the time me and my sister moved out

due to my experience my view is that it depends on the partner, i remember being at my parents weeding (probably my oldest memory) and it really worked out for them in the long run (even though it wasn't intentional). However, it wouldn't be a good situation if the parents broke up with the kid still around, like if one partner realizes they don't want to actually get married anymore it can effect the kid at varying degrees.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2022, 12:32:57 PM »
I suggest never having kids.

And, for marriage, prenuptial agreements are key. Even if you have nothing when you get married, get a prenup.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2022, 02:36:57 PM »
That's a hard no on both.
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2022, 02:50:00 PM »
After going through a few office jobs where most of my peers were already married and some had kids..

That's a hard no on both.

Not dissing if that’s your ideal life situation but man did those young folks look battered and dead inside.
In the sense that they looked/sounded like my old man (60) but in their early 30s. 
I have this theory that when you and your partner have a kid, a part of both of the parents soul dies with it. Like a life loop or something.
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2022, 03:52:23 PM »
No strong views either way, shit happens.

While of course there’s a lot of evidence suggesting  that getting married before popping out kids is more ideal for everyone, it’s not like the nuclear family structure is how humans were designed to live.

According to the book Sapiens, when humans were hunter gatherers we roamed fertile areas in colonies of 50-150 people where the entire group raised children and everyone who weren’t biologically related fucked each other.

The concept of marriage only develops after we discovered shit humans aren’t even supposed to do like farming, establish city states, and create economic systems etc.
I got this idea we have kinda done everything as a species before and sort of invented rules to fix it. Back in the tribe days and everyone just ran trains every night there were probably mad sti, std, some version of aids and they figured just pairing off would reduce it then made up religios reasons to explain it. That and/or small nob dudes were sick of never getting to pass on their genetics.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2022, 04:01:59 PM »
I don't think it matters at all.

Just because you have a wedding and are 'married' suddenly you're going to be a better parent?
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2022, 04:17:44 PM »
I don't think it matters at all.

Just because you have a wedding and are 'married' suddenly you're going to be a better parent?
Well the theory is the more bound together financially and legally, the harder it is to disappear.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2022, 05:40:30 PM »
I don't think it matters at all.

Just because you have a wedding and are 'married' suddenly you're going to be a better parent?

very true, I have a friend with unmarried parents and both of us have had very normal upbringings.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2022, 05:46:20 PM »
No strong views either way, shit happens.

While of course there’s a lot of evidence suggesting  that getting married before popping out kids is more ideal for everyone, it’s not like the nuclear family structure is how humans were designed to live.

According to the book Sapiens, when humans were hunter gatherers we roamed fertile areas in colonies of 50-150 people where the entire group raised children and everyone who weren’t biologically related fucked each other.

The concept of marriage only develops after we discovered shit humans aren’t even supposed to do like farming, establish city states, and create economic systems etc.
things humans 'aren't supposed to be doing'? cause you read a book? i'm sure you can go to places in africa or australia and find tribes still living like this but i'm not sure that that's how we're 'supposed to live'. immigration seems to be flowing one way and it's not their direction. farming is awful, huh? now everyone can eat, not just hope to stumble on berries or a corpse before you starve.
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2022, 06:11:00 PM »
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No strong views either way, shit happens.

While of course there’s a lot of evidence suggesting  that getting married before popping out kids is more ideal for everyone, it’s not like the nuclear family structure is how humans were designed to live.

According to the book Sapiens, when humans were hunter gatherers we roamed fertile areas in colonies of 50-150 people where the entire group raised children and everyone who weren’t biologically related fucked each other.

The concept of marriage only develops after we discovered shit humans aren’t even supposed to do like farming, establish city states, and create economic systems etc.
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things humans 'aren't supposed to be doing'? cause you read a book? i'm sure you can go to places in africa or australia and find tribes still living like this but i'm not sure that that's how we're 'supposed to live'. immigration seems to be flowing one way and it's not their direction. farming is awful, huh? now everyone can eat, not just hope to stumble on berries or a corpse before you starve.
marriage first. children second. but it doesn't always work that way. single mom is the single greatest predictor of prison later on.
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2022, 06:16:59 PM »
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No strong views either way, shit happens.

While of course there’s a lot of evidence suggesting  that getting married before popping out kids is more ideal for everyone, it’s not like the nuclear family structure is how humans were designed to live.

According to the book Sapiens, when humans were hunter gatherers we roamed fertile areas in colonies of 50-150 people where the entire group raised children and everyone who weren’t biologically related fucked each other.

The concept of marriage only develops after we discovered shit humans aren’t even supposed to do like farming, establish city states, and create economic systems etc.
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things humans 'aren't supposed to be doing'? cause you read a book? i'm sure you can go to places in africa or australia and find tribes still living like this but i'm not sure that that's how we're 'supposed to live'. immigration seems to be flowing one way and it's not their direction. farming is awful, huh? now everyone can eat, not just hope to stumble on berries or a corpse before you starve.
marriage first. children second. but it doesn't always work that way. single mom is the single greatest predictor of prison later on.
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2022, 06:54:25 PM »
I always want to at least get a good look at the kid before proposing.
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2022, 07:34:52 PM »
no sex before marriage. for sure.
It's the other way around, actually. No sex AFTER marriage.

 You and the D00D have turned this thread into a horrible head-on-collision between a short bus full of regular kids and a van full of paraplegics.



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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2022, 08:48:16 PM »
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No strong views either way, shit happens.

While of course there’s a lot of evidence suggesting  that getting married before popping out kids is more ideal for everyone, it’s not like the nuclear family structure is how humans were designed to live.

According to the book Sapiens, when humans were hunter gatherers we roamed fertile areas in colonies of 50-150 people where the entire group raised children and everyone who weren’t biologically related fucked each other.

The concept of marriage only develops after we discovered shit humans aren’t even supposed to do like farming, establish city states, and create economic systems etc.
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things humans 'aren't supposed to be doing'? cause you read a book? i'm sure you can go to places in africa or australia and find tribes still living like this but i'm not sure that that's how we're 'supposed to live'. immigration seems to be flowing one way and it's not their direction. farming is awful, huh? now everyone can eat, not just hope to stumble on berries or a corpse before you starve.
marriage first. children second. but it doesn't always work that way. single mom is the single greatest predictor of prison later on.


I would suggest you read the book, but you aren’t  presenting yourself as someone who is open minded. I hate to go full Gipper on you, because I should be working, but fuck it.

What humans are “supposed to do” is subjective, you’re right about that. Thing is the vast majority of our grievances with existence has been a side effect of the agricultural revolution. Our evolution has yet to catch up, and probably never will.

The homosapien by design are daytime pack hunters and foragers with high stamina, problem solving, and communication skills, but relatively low strength and speed for our size. A lot of our distinguishing features as a species are centered around nomadic group survival.

While we were more likely to be killed by a lion, or falling off a cliff back then, we didn’t have nearly as many diseases and mental illnesses until we became a farming centric species. It’s not like we’re natural farmers either, we were just intelligent enough to figure out how it works. It’s very exhausting work that still required assistance from animals, slavery, and advanced machinery just to maintain demand.

You are also right that tribal people today have a lower quality of life compared to us debating about existence on essentially space technology, but you have to keep in mind that these people exist in a world ravaged by disease, deforestation, pollution, and limited resources. 7 billion humans producing toxic waste on a planet that’s 30% land isn't conducive for tribal living anymore.

You are wrong with the idea that everyone can eat though, in fact there’s still tons on famine and poverty in the world. Both of which didn’t exist until the agricultural revolution.

95% of our societal standards have been established around maintaining food cultivation in one way or another. So when I say the traditional family isn’t really how humans are “supposed to live”, it’s because it’s just one of many schemas established to maintain city states, which were only created to maintain farming.

Also, I wrote this response off of an adderall pill I take to help my ADHD. The ability to shift focus constantly was a survival mechanism when we were hunter gatherers as it helps you spot predators. In a farming centric society it is a great disadvantage that requires treatment of some form or you are deemed as unproductive. Even with evolution tons of people have some form of ADHD, gee I wonder why…
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2022, 10:01:15 PM »
In my view marriage is a much smaller commitment, so it doesn’t matter much which comes first.  If you get married and it doesn’t work out you can always divorce.  Once that is all settled financially and legally you’re good for the rest of your life.  Don’t need to think about how much of a mistake you made, you can just move on with life and go your own way.  Find happiness and have nothing to keep you from whatever choices you want to make for yourself.

Having a kid...  that is a lifelong commitment if you are a real stand up kind of person.  You’ll endure hell for that kid.  The problem lies in that having a kid with someone is a lifelong commitment not only to your child, but it ties you to your spouse/partner/cousin or whatever in a way that divorce doesn’t just end.  You are now involved with that baby momma/daddy and their possible bag of issues that you may not have even known about when you were joyfully making babies.  Leaving will still mean you need to negotiate custody, visitation, child support, holidays, transportation, schooling, consistent discipline, etc etc etc.  If you make a baby with a solid person you can work together and do all that without a great deal of hassle.  If you chose poorly or you are the asshole, or you both are, holy shit a world of pain awaits.

My take is go ahead and get married, but for god’s sake think about who you have a baby with.  For your own sake, the child’s, your family, your pets, and the rest of all of us.

I say this as a guy with no child of my own, but I have a wife and we have adopted her nephew out of foster care who came from a violent, drug fueled, abusive, and neglectful start.   I have also helped friends both male and female escape abusive relationships where there are kids also involved, and seen the fallout of great people dealing with abusive wastes of skin for years to do their best for their kid.  Not all humans are good at relationships, splitting up, remaining respectful, cooperating, or even being non abusive or violent.  Selfish people won’t meet you half way and expect the world without giving much.

This all really makes the start of idiocracy seem rather on point, because it really fucking is.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2022, 11:55:29 PM »
You lost me at sacred union…..

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2022, 12:03:25 AM »
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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2022, 02:37:16 AM »
Have kids and don't worry about marriage just have a party to celebrate yourselves marriages are only good to obtain visas/benefits of other nations

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2022, 06:18:34 AM »
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No strong views either way, shit happens.

While of course there’s a lot of evidence suggesting  that getting married before popping out kids is more ideal for everyone, it’s not like the nuclear family structure is how humans were designed to live.

According to the book Sapiens, when humans were hunter gatherers we roamed fertile areas in colonies of 50-150 people where the entire group raised children and everyone who weren’t biologically related fucked each other.

The concept of marriage only develops after we discovered shit humans aren’t even supposed to do like farming, establish city states, and create economic systems etc.
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things humans 'aren't supposed to be doing'? cause you read a book? i'm sure you can go to places in africa or australia and find tribes still living like this but i'm not sure that that's how we're 'supposed to live'. immigration seems to be flowing one way and it's not their direction. farming is awful, huh? now everyone can eat, not just hope to stumble on berries or a corpse before you starve.
marriage first. children second. but it doesn't always work that way. single mom is the single greatest predictor of prison later on.
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I would suggest you read the book, but you aren’t  presenting yourself as someone who is open minded. I hate to go full Gipper on you, because I should be working, but fuck it.

What humans are “supposed to do” is subjective, you’re right about that. Thing is the vast majority of our grievances with existence has been a side effect of the agricultural revolution. Our evolution has yet to catch up, and probably never will.

The homosapien by design are daytime pack hunters and foragers with high stamina, problem solving, and communication skills, but relatively low strength and speed for our size. A lot of our distinguishing features as a species are centered around nomadic group survival.

While we were more likely to be killed by a lion, or falling off a cliff back then, we didn’t have nearly as many diseases and mental illnesses until we became a farming centric species. It’s not like we’re natural farmers either, we were just intelligent enough to figure out how it works. It’s very exhausting work that still required assistance from animals, slavery, and advanced machinery just to maintain demand.

You are also right that tribal people today have a lower quality of life compared to us debating about existence on essentially space technology, but you have to keep in mind that these people exist in a world ravaged by disease, deforestation, pollution, and limited resources. 7 billion humans producing toxic waste on a planet that’s 30% land isn't conducive for tribal living anymore.

You are wrong with the idea that everyone can eat though, in fact there’s still tons on famine and poverty in the world. Both of which didn’t exist until the agricultural revolution.

95% of our societal standards have been established around maintaining food cultivation in one way or another. So when I say the traditional family isn’t really how humans are “supposed to live”, it’s because it’s just one of many schemas established to maintain city states, which were only created to maintain farming.

Also, I wrote this response off of an adderall pill I take to help my ADHD. The ability to shift focus constantly was a survival mechanism when we were hunter gatherers as it helps you spot predators. In a farming centric society it is a great disadvantage that requires treatment of some form or you are deemed as unproductive. Even with evolution tons of people have some form of ADHD, gee I wonder why…
TL,DR but farmers don't have mental illness. consumers in the city w/ service industry or other meaningless jobs? sure. but actual producers can look at themselves in the mirror. farming allowed us to not only live fat but subsidize stupid countries that are too lazy to farm. we are so good at surviving we subsidize 80IQ children!
i'm against that but i don't blame farmers, i blame bureaucrats who decided it.

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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2022, 06:51:11 AM »
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No strong views either way, shit happens.

While of course there’s a lot of evidence suggesting  that getting married before popping out kids is more ideal for everyone, it’s not like the nuclear family structure is how humans were designed to live.

According to the book Sapiens, when humans were hunter gatherers we roamed fertile areas in colonies of 50-150 people where the entire group raised children and everyone who weren’t biologically related fucked each other.

The concept of marriage only develops after we discovered shit humans aren’t even supposed to do like farming, establish city states, and create economic systems etc.
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things humans 'aren't supposed to be doing'? cause you read a book? i'm sure you can go to places in africa or australia and find tribes still living like this but i'm not sure that that's how we're 'supposed to live'. immigration seems to be flowing one way and it's not their direction. farming is awful, huh? now everyone can eat, not just hope to stumble on berries or a corpse before you starve.
marriage first. children second. but it doesn't always work that way. single mom is the single greatest predictor of prison later on.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2022, 07:21:04 AM »
Don’t want either one.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2022, 10:13:14 AM »
Don’t have kids unless you plan to spend the rest of your life with the woman/man.

I have the most beautiful boy. Born on my birthday. And we have a great relationship.

His mother though… I wouldn’t give her water if she was dying in the desert. Actually I would. Cause my son loves her.

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2022, 11:09:05 AM »
I love kids, but the idea of raising one has always been a mortifying to me and my wife. Our careers (and skateboarding) have let us spend a lot of time with young people, but like... at their best moments (having fun or educating them as opposed to feeding them and being a caregiver).

Having said, there's no order to things anymore. It just depends on what kind of input and support your giving the grom. Having said, most of my friends have kids, and this is good, those little ones are expensive:

Finances gotta be A1 before kids!

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Re: views on kids before marriage?
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2022, 11:22:50 AM »
anyone that wants kids, adopt.
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2022, 03:11:38 PM »
Kids are just as bad whether you're married or not.