The Indy Thread

[tzhangdox]

I want to experiment with these combos, for science

Forged baseplates
Stg 4 146 hangers
Stg 4 bottom bushing
Stg 11 top bushing

Standard stg 11 baseplates
Titanium 149 hangers
Stg 11 bottom bushing
Bones top bushing

Forged stg 11 baseplates
Standard stg 11 144 hangers
Stg 11 bottom bushing
Bones top bushing

bruh

[swongolianbbq]

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I want to experiment with these combos, for science

Forged baseplates
Stg 4 146 hangers
Stg 4 bottom bushing
Stg 11 top bushing

Standard stg 11 baseplates
Titanium 149 hangers
Stg 11 bottom bushing
Bones top bushing

Forged stg 11 baseplates
Standard stg 11 144 hangers
Stg 11 bottom bushing
Bones top bushing

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bruh

I prolly won't

But I think it's interesting you can create so many different trucks with their lineup

I would hate to find something I really liked there because it would cost a fortune

I'm mentally not okay and unemployed, hyperfixating on hypothetical stuff pertaining to my special interests is giving me something to cling to since I don't smoke or drink anymore and moved away from all my friends, hence the majority of my posts being in the madness thread

[JM]

I want to experiment with these combos, for science

Forged baseplates
Stg 4 146 hangers
Stg 4 bottom bushing
Stg 11 top bushing

Standard stg 11 baseplates
Titanium 149 hangers
Stg 11 bottom bushing
Bones top bushing

Forged stg 11 baseplates
Standard stg 11 144 hangers
Stg 11 bottom bushing
Bones top bushing

By all means, godspeed; and please report back with your findings.

[texasplant]

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Cross posting my question from another thread:

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Seems like a good time to ask - I’ve been giving Indy’s another go lately but at the same time I’m also trying to skate smaller boards/wheelbases. I’ve never given the forged hollows a try but wondering if swapping from standard would make a noticeable difference aside from weight?

I understand they’re low and set the wheels slightly further out, but at the end of the day do they just feel like standard Indy’s? I want to try something that pushes out just a little more but I don’t really like thunders and ventures. I don’t care at all about the weight difference.

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You will notice the height difference, not the wheelbase difference, hard stop. Also, there is just a different “feel” between because of different baseplate constructions—no way to really explain it, though.

And what @Mbrimson88 said, depending on how big your wheels are, and how loose/tight you run your trucks, you might need to drop wheel size a tad.

I tend to prefer a heavier board, and I feel like Indy's are what I want to settle on. I just can't help but feel my standards are a little taller than what I'm looking for. I even dropped wheel size from 58 to 54 and its still not quite what I'm looking for. Since I apparently won't feel the wheelbase change these should perform exactly like standards, just lower?

I've been skating for a long time now and forged hollows are literally the only truck I haven't tried yet which is funny.

Also a question regarding bushings - I remember the aftermarket oranges being much softer than stock so I bought a pack, but they are feeling very strange. They click and crack and are feeling quite a bit harder than the stocks. Did they change something or am I remembering wrong? Maybe they take longer to break in? I've been skating Aces for quite a while now and haven't had to think about bushings in a long time.

[DarkPools]

In my experience with aftermarket Indy bushings (bought many over the years) is that they feel a little firmer new (like stock bushings) but within the first session they're usually broken in to feel exact how they should be

Next question: did you do barrel or conical aftermarket ? Conical will feel even more turny than barrel stock from what i tried

[texasplant]

In my experience with aftermarket Indy bushings (bought many over the years) is that they feel a little firmer new (like stock bushings) but within the first session they're usually broken in to feel exact how they should be

Next question: did you do barrel or conical aftermarket ? Conical will feel even more turny than barrel stock from what i tried

I got the barrels. They seem taller, I've barely got any of the nylon touching the threads on my kingpin. I did consider conical but remember them not quite having the same kind of rebound I was looking for.

[disparatethoughts]

Coming back to Indys after a stint with Aces. I love Indys and have skated them pretty much the entire time I've been skating, but I always got the standards and hated how heavy they always were. I remember reading through here awhile back debating between titanium's and hollows and remember that one of them are prone to snapping, but can't remember which, I believe the titanium's. Regardless, what's the verdict on best yet lightest indys?

[Mbrimson88]

Coming back to Indys after a stint with Aces. I love Indys and have skated them pretty much the entire time I've been skating, but I always got the standards and hated how heavy they always were. I remember reading through here awhile back debating between titanium's and hollows and remember that one of them are prone to snapping, but can't remember which, I believe the titanium's. Regardless, what's the verdict on best yet lightest indys?

Yes the Indy ti axle trucks re 2020 production were the ones that had axles breaking, but they have said they have new and improved ti axle trucks now, so I think you should be good there.

The ti axles come on forged baseplates so they are the lightest of the Indy range and 53.5 mm tall, so a little closer to what you have had for height on Ace trucks too.

In the event that ti axles do break, they are covered under warranty, so you would get a new set pretty easily.  Not a big deal, but I know some people had never put in a warranty on anything and just didn't buy that brand of product again, but the warranty for them is all online and very easy to fill out.


Some people prefer hollow over ti anyway, saying the ti were just too light, but it is more just your own personal choice there really.  All the info is available online re weights of all the sizes, if you wanted to check whichever size you rode.  Hollow comes in both the hollow forged (53.5 mm tall) or the hollow cast (55 mm tall) with the forged ones being lower and lighter.

I ride the standards, so I found the ti axles a little too light in the smaller sizes, but that is just me.  In the bigger sizes, they even out the weight of the whole setup quite well, especially 159s it seemed, although I do have some ti 169s too, as well as a used set in 149 and 144 that I got from others.  Riding boards with those trucks, I can see why some people really do like them for the easy pop and light weight feel of them.

[disparatethoughts]

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Coming back to Indys after a stint with Aces. I love Indys and have skated them pretty much the entire time I've been skating, but I always got the standards and hated how heavy they always were. I remember reading through here awhile back debating between titanium's and hollows and remember that one of them are prone to snapping, but can't remember which, I believe the titanium's. Regardless, what's the verdict on best yet lightest indys?

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Yes the Indy ti axle trucks re 2020 production were the ones that had axles breaking, but they have said they have new and improved ti axle trucks now, so I think you should be good there.

The ti axles come on forged baseplates so they are the lightest of the Indy range and 53.5 mm tall, so a little closer to what you have had for height on Ace trucks too.

In the event that ti axles do break, they are covered under warranty, so you would get a new set pretty easily.  Not a big deal, but I know some people had never put in a warranty on anything and just didn't buy that brand of product again, but the warranty for them is all online and very easy to fill out.


Some people prefer hollow over ti anyway, saying the ti were just too light, but it is more just your own personal choice there really.  All the info is available online re weights of all the sizes, if you wanted to check whichever size you rode.  Hollow comes in both the hollow forged (53.5 mm tall) or the hollow cast (55 mm tall) with the forged ones being lower and lighter.

I ride the standards, so I found the ti axles a little too light in the smaller sizes, but that is just me.  In the bigger sizes, they even out the weight of the whole setup quite well, especially 159s it seemed, although I do have some ti 169s too, as well as a used set in 149 and 144 that I got from others.  Riding boards with those trucks, I can see why some people really do like them for the easy pop and light weight feel of them.

Hell yeah, thanks dude, I ride an 8.75 and big wheels so I'll try the titanium's for sure

[codswallop]

Adding on to Mbrimson’s experience: I’m one of those people who love the Ti’s for those reasons. Riding Indy’s that aren’t as heavy as Indy’s is magical if that makes sense - I was surprised to find out that the weight or lack therof competes well with Thunder and Venture for example. I ride them with the forged plates they come on for the lower height + weight. Riding them on cast plates would be rad though. I’ve also heard the hollows can make the grind feel rougher VS the solid Ti axle. I didn’t notice this when I switched to Ti from hollows but that makes sense I’d guess.

[Nth syd bear]

I have never needed to use the re-thread tool on titanium axles

They are definitely an upgrade from forged hollows

Forged hollow mindys are my favourite at the moment

Even tho the mids aren't that light the height makes em less hefty to me

I don't know why more people don't fuck with those great truck

[swongolianbbq]

Still excruciatingly pleased with my truck setup

144 standards that I replaced the top bushing with a bones medium, running em nut flush. Kept all the Indy washers, and the brand new, not broken-in stock bottom bushings, and didn't use the flat bones washers or anything else.

Favorite ever for sure

I don't have to break them in, I don't have any threads sticking out, it's great. I'm 145 lbs for the record

Board sounds dry and snappy but still turns and pinches, and it's minimal effort for the result, I don't have to break anything in or buy multiple sets of aftermarket bushings, or do anything with the washers or grind the kingpin or anything. Brand new indys,  slap a bones top bushing on and it's ready to go wherever I am

Initially I was using bones hards up top and I like that too, but it's a little too tight for me. Not sure how it'll be in hot weather but I'd rather use a hard top flush, than tighten a medium any more than flush and blow it out, considering that since it's a taller bushing than the stock ones it already has some pressure on it

[tzhangdox]

Have a new set of cast plates and a set of forged. Noticed one of the trucks with cast plates on was absurdly squeaky, kinda creaky sounding. I take a look and seems like the kingpin isn't perfectly lined in the middle, kinda leans top left. (the other cast plate on the right isnt perfectly centered either but a little better). Both forged kingpins are perfectly centered.

Could this be a problem? Wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't weirdly loud when standing on it. Or is it fine and i just need to break it in?

[Mbrimson88]

Have a new set of cast plates and a set of forged. Noticed one of the trucks with cast plates on was absurdly squeaky, kinda creaky sounding so I take a look and seems like the kingpin isn't perfectly lined in the middle, kinda leans top left. (the other cast plate on the right isnt perfectly centered either but a little better). Both forged kingpins are perfectly centered.

Could this be a problem? Wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't weirdly loud when standing on it. Or is it fine and i just need to break it in?

Quite simply, people have returned and got replacements for less.

To me, that is a fault in the truck production process and I have some other brand trucks like that which I can feel always end up leaning to one side no matter what.  Different baseplates with the exact same everything else feels perfectly normal.  Maybe that is more just how acute I feel the straight / turn with fairly loose easy feeling trucks, same as if a baseplate is on crooked or a few other things, but a kingpin should be drilled in the center and it should be straight.

If you are skating and can feel them pull to one side, or other issues, I would be either going back to the shop you got them or sending an email to NHS to check, as they could just send out some replacement baseplates and everything should be ok.


* Also check on top if they are off center there, or if the kingpins are now on an angle, cause having a leaning kingpin is not a good thing on a new setup.

** Replied in the other thread, but it is good to have here as well.

[Mbrimson88]

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Might not be a big deal but I noticed on the most recent set of Indy standard trucks, the bushing washers are way thinner, more like the after market bushing sets which had different washers to what came on the trucks.

The washers are a different shape now, compared to the deeper stock washers with the sharp edge that Indy trucks used to come with.

I don't know when they might have changed over, but I had seen a few other sets like this before but didn't really think much of it at the time, but someone who got them commented on the top bushing washer, saying they liked it more than the older deeper ones, whereas someone else preferred the deeper ones to what comes on the trucks now.

Just a small point of interest anyway.

[codswallop]

Can you bless us with some comparison photos mbrimson?

[hiljentaa]

Can you bless us with some comparison photos mbrimson?

Would also be interested in washer nerdery.

I immediately change all stock bushing washers to the smaller ones that come with Indy aftermarket bushings.

[art hellman]

[JM]

A quick comment: just a quarter turn makes a very noticeable difference.

Carry on.

[Mbrimson88]

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Can you bless us with some comparison photos mbrimson?

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Would also be interested in washer nerdery.

I immediately change all stock bushing washers to the smaller ones that come with Indy aftermarket bushings.

I found a set of the new bushing washers on a set of Indy Mids, which appear to be the same across all the trucks now, so as per pic below, newer thinner one on the left, older deeper one on the right.

Maybe it was just the fact that a lot of places still have older stock and some places have newer stock in, but even now most of the new trucks I have seen still have the deeper older ones.

The orange stock bushings on the new ones were also a little lighter in colour and maybe a little more squishy too, but that could easily be just because they were very new and urethane bushings, just like urethane wheels, hardens and darkens over time.

Any which way here are the pics I took just now of them for reference.

[Richard Skidder]

Please tell me the board side washer is still the wider ones ( fingers crossed emoji ). If not I’m sure a replacement could be found at the hardware store. Just hate having to go through extra steps is all.

[codswallop]

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Can you bless us with some comparison photos mbrimson?

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Would also be interested in washer nerdery.

I immediately change all stock bushing washers to the smaller ones that come with Indy aftermarket bushings.

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I found a set of the new bushing washers on a set of Indy Mids, which appear to be the same across all the trucks now, so as per pic below, newer thinner one on the left, older deeper one on the right.

Maybe it was just the fact that a lot of places still have older stock and some places have newer stock in, but even now most of the new trucks I have seen still have the deeper older ones.

The orange stock bushings on the new ones were also a little lighter in colour and maybe a little more squishy too, but that could easily be just because they were very new and urethane bushings, just like urethane wheels, hardens and darkens over time.

Any which way here are the pics I took just now of them for reference.

Right 
Left 

Thank you!

[Mbrimson88]

Please tell me the board side washer is still the wider ones ( fingers crossed emoji ). If not I’m sure a replacement could be found at the hardware store. Just hate having to go through extra steps is all.

Both are thinner, but both fit perfectly with the stock bushings, so compared to the aftermarket cylinder bottom washer, which was smaller (maybe to fit in the plastic container) the stock one sits nicely round the bottom cylinder bushing.

I should pull out some of the older aftermarket ones too that came in the white box, but I am sure they were not as small as the ones that come in the plastic containers.

Either way, I think this is a step in the right direction, but maybe they had a lot of stock they were sitting on, so they had to move all those older deeper washers first, as well as all the trucks that were from the older stock that still have the older washers, which are still sitting in shops or distribution warehouses too.


The only reason I really noticed this now is because it was brand new stock that had come in, 149s seem to sell out quickly here in AU, whereas almost every other size might not have been replenished for a minute.

I thought it was just the Mid versions that had the thinner washers at first, but I am also guessing as they were newer stock, they had the newer thinner bushing washers, as per a set on the 159 Forged hollow mids I got a while back.

Maybe too because I don't buy a lot of Indy trucks, as I still had a lot from pre 2020, so I hadn't really noticed this either, but in this case we swapped out the bushings for harder ones right away and I couldn't help noticing the different parts and look of everything.

[256 Ply]

[swongolianbbq]

Whoa!

Those nuts are cool

I wish they had made the top bushing normal dimensions though

Will continue swapping in just a bones top bushing only and leaving everything else stock

But those are fun

I would not be psyched on the way my truck looked though but this is still pretty cool

[tzhangdox]

wtf are those.

look interesting but cant even find on the website, any details?

[Sandwich Marty]

wtf are those.

look interesting but cant even find on the website, any details?

I’m curious as well. Pic looks like AI or something

[256 Ply]

Coming out around the end of the year.

[swongolianbbq]

That flange nut, I've been talking about stuff like that in the madness thread before

Should solve the clicking issue the bones ones have

I know when I used my regular Indy top washer on the bones ones it doesn't do the loud clicks but with the bones flat one it would do it, at least at first

So it appears they're trying to solve some issues with the bones ones

The plastic lip looks taller, so the bushings won't be as prone to blowing out, and the integrated washer/nut eliminates the heavy clicking noise

I used to run bones washers on my aces and I know people do on ventures

I wonder how many people would buy these just to get those nuts


Would be fun to do a dual duro hard top / soft bottom bushing, on stage 4s, using a bottom washer from the aftermarket conicals to get the height right, since they're sized for stage 11s -without- a bottom washer I think that with a washer they'd work well with stage 4s

[Richard Skidder]

Finally someone solved the “my bushings are too heavy “ problem.