The Indy Thread

[swongolianbbq]

149 on the left, 144 on the right

You can see it better in person, but the 144 pivot is definitely narrower and pointier.

Idk how they blew it with that mold but it would be nice if they fixed it, I've blown out pivot cups with 144 indys and not any of the other ones

[Mbrimson88]

149 on the left, 144 on the right

You can see it better in person, but the 144 pivot is definitely narrower and pointier.

Idk how they blew it with that mold but it would be nice if they fixed it, I've blown out pivot cups with 144 indys and not any of the other ones

I feel like having bushings tightened down a bit more does help solve this issue of the 144 pivot point moving around in the pivot cup, or even bushings that sit a little lower or are already squashed down a bit, so the hanger sits lower into the pivot cup.

For any I have sold, usually swapping out the stock pivot cup was the first thing to do if they are making that "ting" noise too.  It can happen on any new Indy trucks, but maybe way more so on any 144 variants than other sizes.

[GashBandicoot]

Funny enough I've nearly worn out a second set of pivot cups in my 144s. The riptides are getting kind of loosey goosey in there and I get a bit of side to side sloppiness. Not a huge deal but in a few months they'll need replaced. Have had reoccurring premature pivot cup and bushing failure with other trucks in the past so I doubt it's a glaring flaw with the 144 hangars but the pics above are interesting for sure.

[JM]

Ace cups work alright. They stick out the top but no more hangar travel.

[Ok]

damn i just started skating indys again i want a set now

how’s the change been?

[Summers Steve]

Anyone try the hollow Stage 4's?

[Tale Crab]

149 on the left, 144 on the right

You can see it better in person, but the 144 pivot is definitely narrower and pointier.

Idk how they blew it with that mold but it would be nice if they fixed it, I've blown out pivot cups with 144 indys and not any of the other ones

I think this is exactly why the 144 feels wrong compared to the 149. It's not just the width, but the 144 feels tippy in an uncontrolled sort of way because of the slop. I ride my trucks with the blue bushings and with the nuts about flush, but still get a Daewon-esque side-to-side wiggle when yanking the truck with my hands that definitely shouldn't be there. What doesn't help is that somewhere along the way Indy made the pivot cup recess ever so slightly bigger, which makes many of the aftermarket cups (and even the originals) sit loose. The best results I've had so far were with older US-made baseplates and Ace AF-1 cups, although they still don't feel as good as the 149. My point of reference is 149s with Riptide cups, which works a charm.

It's especially a bummer since I decided to size down to an 8.25 during and after an injury and ended up picking up two pairs of standards and a pair of titaniums from various sales, only to find all of them to have the same flaw. I emailed NHS about this to see if they've acknowledged or intended to fix the issue, but never got a response.

I think that apart from the unusable squeaky stock pivot cups, the Stage 11 149 is the best truck from them that I ever rode and I wish I could say the same about the 144. At this point I'm looking at Slappys to see if they could do what I want from an 8.25 truck without having to think about it.

[SwitchBenihana]

Ace classic pivot cups fit perfectly and are a tad thicker and take out all the play. They work great.

[logjammin]

bought some stage 4 151's today after being on lurpiv/ace for the last year or so. put ace medium bushings in them as usual since they're my go-to for any truck. I definitely was reminded how these are 100% the most turny trucks on the market. ace, and especially lurpiv, do defeat the stage 4's in stability, but definitely not the turn. for anyone willing to try it out, equip them with the ace bushings and feel the insanity. definitely for the wigglers/surfers. pure bliss.

[Creachteach]

bought some stage 4 151's today after being on lurpiv/ace for the last year or so. put ace medium bushings in them as usual since they're my go-to for any truck. I definitely was reminded how these are 100% the most turny trucks on the market. ace, and especially lurpiv, do defeat the stage 4's in stability, but definitely not the turn. for anyone willing to try it out, equip them with the ace bushings and feel the insanity. definitely for the wigglers/surfers. pure bliss.

I just sold my set of 166s, and only have 151s on my Winkowski cruiser. Loving the turn. Are the Ace bottom bushings tall enough to fit in there?

[logjammin]

ace bottoms are half a hair shorter when I lined them up next to the stage 4 bottoms so the geometry is still more or less retained.

[Creachteach]

Speaking of bushings.
I visited my local for some bushings. I bought new old stock forged 149, that came with the red bushings that are supposedly 90a, but I can’t ride them not knowing if they’re exactly like they’re supposed to be.

I got neon orange ones. I think I like them ok. But what’s their deal?
They came in the regular transparent plasitic box, with a paper insert.

[Mbrimson88]

Speaking of bushings.
I visited my local for some bushings. I bought new old stock forged 149, that came with the red bushings that are supposedly 90a, but I can’t ride them not knowing if they’re exactly like they’re supposed to be.

I got neon orange ones. I think I like them ok. But what’s their deal?
They came in the regular transparent plasitic box, with a paper insert.

All the stock bushings regardless of colour are 90 duro - old orange, red, black, white, or any other colour I forget, but older stock is a different product to what is in the trucks these days.  Older ones had just the unfinished ends, no lines or concentric circles the way the stock ones do now.  Current stock Indy bushings are way more translucent orange and feel softer, but they firm up enough to work well for people who are used to 90 duro options.

Aftermarket bushings have always been a different product again, compared to any stock variants, so the aftermarket bushings used to be very much harder for the same duro options / colours, than they do now, but if you got the clear plastic container, they should be good as 90 duro, not something that was more like 94 duro and with a tall top, the way they were before that in the hang sell bags or the white cardboard boxes.

The clear containers used to have the old logo too, so you would know if they were pre 2020 or post 2021 there, so if anything the bushings might take a little more to break in as they are old stock, which also goes for the red stock bushings that came in those black hollow trucks, which would have looked like this as I had some come through my shop before it closed in 2020:

[SwitchBenihana]

What do you mean what's their deal? As it says on the box they're 90A stock replacements. I find them a tad softer than stock and the washers are always too small. The red bushings suck they are very hard despite being labeled 88A.

[Mbrimson88]

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This is about the only quick bushing pic of all of them, at least the different duro options that are available these days, this pic pre 2020 logo change.

Note there are the conical variants in a few options, or the cylinder variants in all options.





* The stock bushings of whatever colour are different to the after market bushings too, so the red 90 duro stock ones that come in the trucks are not the same as the red 88 duro bushings, that are a weird mix of soft but still firm.

[Creachteach]

Yeah they’re weird. I can’t ride red bushings, even though they’re supposedly 90a.

Yeah, those trucks. Have plenty of them. Funny how they pop up on Swedish page Tradera.

Found some extra translucent oranges, so now the 149s have the same ‘turn in’ as the 169s.

[Mbrimson88]

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I thought there were some pics or info about the different stages of the Indy bushings, but I couldn't see it so I took some pics in the shop yesterday and will post a bit of info with them regarding the bushings and bushing washers.





From left to right:

1. Current stock - Blue 92 duro after market cylinder bushings with small washers that they come with, just big enough to fit the bushings when the lined ends are both facing the hanger and the smooth sides on the washers, but for people who set up their boards and go straight at it without breaking the bushings in first, the bushings can often slip over the washers and can get a bit cut up from them.  This is why I can understand how some people don't like the aftermarket washers at all.

2. The most recent set of stock Indy bushings, 90 duro cylinder translucent orange with the lines on them, fairly small new washers too, but have been on a board for a month or more, so they look slightly used, but compared to the other washers, these are quite slim looking.

3. Older stock Indy bushings, 90 duro cylinder more murky orange and unfinished ends with a bit of a bubble look to them, also with older larger washers, especially the bottom washer being significantly wider all round.  Taken off an older setup so very well used and looking pretty dirty, but still work fine on the board they were on.

4. Very old stock Indy bushings, 90 duro cylinder red from a specific colourway of some coloured / graphic trucks, also unfinished ends with a bubbly look and also with the older and much bigger washers that came with older trucks.  This set still new that I took off a "display set" that has not been used.


* Bushings and washers on the older stock were from Indy trucks as far as I know, but I could be wrong if someone had changed out washers at some point, but I think they are the same as other older ones I have here too.



Indy bushings in the same order as above, for 1, 2 and 3.






Indy aftermarket 90 duro conical bushings, the lines showing which both face the hanger, with the smooth side to the washers.






Bushing washers, specifically stock older deeper versions on the left, newer thinner ones on the right.