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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #330 on: October 09, 2024, 12:13:00 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
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Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
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It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).

I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...

They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.

It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #331 on: October 09, 2024, 01:28:00 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
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Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
[close]

It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
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I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...

They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.

It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version

Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.

Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.

Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #332 on: October 09, 2024, 01:58:27 AM »
So it sounds like he’s inspired by a handful of small brands and wants to dilute their success by needlessly joining the small pond to offer about the same thing

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #333 on: October 09, 2024, 04:06:26 AM »
So it sounds like he’s inspired by a handful of small brands and wants to dilute their success by needlessly joining the small pond to offer about the same thing

Average Jamie Thomas behavior.

Just like blowing it and having to apologize to shops before the brand even exists is average Jamie Thomas behavior.

Just like being so completely delusional as to compare your brand to Gravis is average Jamie Thomas behavior.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #334 on: October 09, 2024, 04:17:03 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
[close]
Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
[close]

It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
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I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...

They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.

It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
[close]

Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.

Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.

Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.

Yeah agree 100, Last Resort does not follow Gravis in terms of shoe design at all but more of a kin of Cons

As someone who has been trying to find shoes to fill I. The Gravis void, in skeptical of Thomas's company doing that. It's a niche look at this point and that's why the new iteration of Gravis stays in Japan... In other words the Gravis sleek silhouette look doesn't sell with baggy jeans

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #335 on: October 09, 2024, 05:36:32 AM »
Eat a dick Jamie. You really think you can do stupid shit and then just issue a half ass dead apology with the "Sending my love" crap at the end like that makes everything ok.
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #336 on: October 09, 2024, 05:57:12 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
[close]
Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
[close]

It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
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I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...

They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.

It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
[close]

Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.

Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.

Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #337 on: October 09, 2024, 06:38:32 AM »
Eat a dick Jamie. You really think you can do stupid shit and then just issue a half ass dead apology with the "Sending my love" crap at the end like that makes everything ok.

He's going to be apologizing a hell of a lot more once Christine finishes telling her story, she's got receipts and all.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #338 on: October 09, 2024, 07:03:52 AM »
So it's a hypebeast shoe company, not a skate shoe company? Okay.

Damn I left my bubbler at my parents house

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #339 on: October 09, 2024, 07:06:56 AM »
Uhhh Last Resort had a Milic and Alba on the team before shoes even hit the stores.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #340 on: October 09, 2024, 07:08:36 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
[close]
Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
[close]

It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
I was asking what the guy thought of it since its operating in a similar space right now.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #341 on: October 09, 2024, 07:10:09 AM »
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Will the first shoe that releases be called the chiefs
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nah, it will be called "permission to drip sir?"

Its called the "drip slip", like a permission slip for looking fucking good.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #342 on: October 09, 2024, 07:19:25 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
[close]
Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
[close]

It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
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I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...

They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.

It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
[close]

Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.

Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.

Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.
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Yeah agree 100, Last Resort does not follow Gravis in terms of shoe design at all but more of a kin of Cons

As someone who has been trying to find shoes to fill I. The Gravis void, in skeptical of Thomas's company doing that. It's a niche look at this point and that's why the new iteration of Gravis stays in Japan... In other words the Gravis sleek silhouette look doesn't sell with baggy jeans

That's right! Although I think these shoes also work well with relaxed and regular-fit pants. In adult life, few people wear baggy jeans to the office or to restaurants. Gravis is a good example that a brand doesn’t necessarily have to be international or ride the current fashion wave. It's enough to have a smaller niche of people who can identify with the brand and trust it. Baggy is just a phase, and there's usually a sharp contrast between old and new trends. Next year, slim or skinny might be back in fashion, and 2000s-style shoes will look awkward with them.

What’s strange is that in Japan, people skate in the baggiest pants, and at the same time, a brand like Gravis also has its place.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #343 on: October 09, 2024, 07:27:59 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
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Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
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It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
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I was asking what the guy thought of it since its operating in a similar space right now.

Sorry if I misunderstood. Several people commented on why JT didn't mention Last Resort or that it copies them. I misread it!

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #344 on: October 09, 2024, 07:31:18 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
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Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
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It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
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I was asking what the guy thought of it since its operating in a similar space right now.
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Sorry if I misunderstood. Several people commented on why JT didn't mention Last Resort or that it copies them. I misread it!

It doesn’t copy them, if anything they both copied vans. Last resort is like a low quality version of his shoe.  Last resort clearly also copied their designs from company’s like simple and others.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #345 on: October 09, 2024, 07:36:09 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
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Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
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It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
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I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...

They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.

It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
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Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.

Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.

Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.
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Yeah agree 100, Last Resort does not follow Gravis in terms of shoe design at all but more of a kin of Cons

As someone who has been trying to find shoes to fill I. The Gravis void, in skeptical of Thomas's company doing that. It's a niche look at this point and that's why the new iteration of Gravis stays in Japan... In other words the Gravis sleek silhouette look doesn't sell with baggy jeans
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That's right! Although I think these shoes also work well with relaxed and regular-fit pants. In adult life, few people wear baggy jeans to the office or to restaurants. Gravis is a good example that a brand doesn’t necessarily have to be international or ride the current fashion wave. It's enough to have a smaller niche of people who can identify with the brand and trust it. Baggy is just a phase, and there's usually a sharp contrast between old and new trends. Next year, slim or skinny might be back in fashion, and 2000s-style shoes will look awkward with them.

What’s strange is that in Japan, people skate in the baggiest pants, and at the same time, a brand like Gravis also has its place.
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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #346 on: October 09, 2024, 07:38:59 AM »
so is FunisLow DGar, Matt Costa, or Austin? Who else has so much invested in this brand succeeding besides Jamie?

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #347 on: October 09, 2024, 07:49:25 AM »
Gravis was cool because of dylan. Does jamie think he has the cool factor dylan had?

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #348 on: October 09, 2024, 09:42:08 AM »
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The shoes look good to me. I don’t like busy shoes. These look like nicer Emericas which is probably my fav shoe company. Emericas are starting to look stale though.They haven’t really changed in 20 years. Id actually want to wear them out to dinner or something. I think he made a good point that there’s a hole in the market left by Gravis. Gravis had their own vibe, not just another vans knock off. They were a little more modern and stylish. I like that he does’t have logos plastered all over the shoe but no visible logo at all probably  isnt a good business move either. But I don’t know, maybe that makes them more intriguing. People will have to come up and be like what are those?
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Genuinely curious, have you heard of and what do you think of Last Resort AB?
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It seems like you're trying to present it as if Last Resort AB started this trend, while other companies had already begun moving away from visible branding on shoes earlier, like Gravis during the Dylan era, which JT also references. I personally associate this shift with Dylan, who rejected heavily branded, logo-covered products and preferred unique tailoring and good material quality. I think this reflects a more mature mindset that resonates with an older demographic, so Jamie is on the right track with his new brand’s target audience. For me, too, it’s more important to buy a product made from quality materials than to have a logo visible from across the street. I’m glad someone is finally paying attention to sizing as well. I find it baffling that even the big brands (Adidas, Nike, NB) often handle this carelessly, and I frequently have to return shoes due to sizing issues. The 'X' stitching on the side panels is a subtle detail that isn’t flashy but gives the shoe a unique identifier. It seems to me that JT pays special attention to good material usage, and I hope we’ll see some similar, unique materials in the next drops, like what was characteristic of Gravis shoes (blue wax canvas).

I also have no issue with the name choice; I think it makes perfect sense, as Jamie explained. I feel like many people are just here to hate and are looking for reasons to amplify their negativity. It’s a shame that some are already writing this brand off as a failure (or even hoping for it). It seems to me that he has learned from his mistakes and is trying to grow both personally and in business. I see that he speaks with enthusiasm about this project, where he has done and continues to do a lot on his own. He’s funding this brand himself, and it seems he isn’t aiming to be overly ambitious but rather to offer something to a part of the skateboarding community. And who knows, maybe there’s demand for a brand like this, alongside Hours (and I won’t list all the other similar brands).
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I think Last Resort is way closer to the original Gravis skate program than warsaw will ever be...

They make simple/tasteful shoes with quality materials & Also experiment with unique materials. They also support a team, & make good videos.

It seems like JT is seeing their model and trying to cash in on a watered down version
[close]

Last Resort has existed for several years now, with enough profit to maintain a team. War Saw, on the other hand, is not even available yet; we barely know anything about it, so obviously, there’s no way to fund a team. It seems to me that Jamie isn’t necessarily thinking in the same model as the well-known shoe brands today. The way he talks about the brand’s identity, he seems more interested in working with musicians, artists, and skaters who are less active but deeply connected to skate culture and history. He also refers to the brand as a skateboarding-inspired lifestyle brand. The main characteristics are quality, clean lines, and limited, restrained colors, followed by the ability to skate in them. This is because the target audience (an older generation) may not primarily use these shoes for skating.

Most skate shoe brands have a lifestyle or chiller line alongside their specific skate shoes, but Jamie aims to position these shoes between the two – still capable of being used for skating but with a stronger focus on the lifestyle aspect. To be authentic, it doesn't necessarily require a skate team; it could be about supporting programs, events, concerts, or exhibitions connected to skate culture. What matters more is the brand's DNA, where it comes from, which musicians and artists they work with, and what they share in common.

Last Resort, on the other hand, follows current trends more and has fully become a skate shoe brand, which is great. They have a team, cool videos, and good products, but it’s a much more classic direction/model. Their target audience is much more focused on the younger crowd (which is a broader segment), and different factors are important to them compared to the older generation. The brand’s logo and the look of the shoes are aligned with this: louder, with varied color usage, shiny, textured foxing tape, and a classic Cons-inspired outsole. That’s why I don’t see these two brands crossing paths, nor do I think Jamie is trying to copy this brand. His inspiration likely comes primarily from Hours (and of course Gravis), and secondarily from Clearweather, Clae, Savalé, and Rone.
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Yeah agree 100, Last Resort does not follow Gravis in terms of shoe design at all but more of a kin of Cons

As someone who has been trying to find shoes to fill I. The Gravis void, in skeptical of Thomas's company doing that. It's a niche look at this point and that's why the new iteration of Gravis stays in Japan... In other words the Gravis sleek silhouette look doesn't sell with baggy jeans
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That's right! Although I think these shoes also work well with relaxed and regular-fit pants. In adult life, few people wear baggy jeans to the office or to restaurants. Gravis is a good example that a brand doesn’t necessarily have to be international or ride the current fashion wave. It's enough to have a smaller niche of people who can identify with the brand and trust it. Baggy is just a phase, and there's usually a sharp contrast between old and new trends. Next year, slim or skinny might be back in fashion, and 2000s-style shoes will look awkward with them.

What’s strange is that in Japan, people skate in the baggiest pants, and at the same time, a brand like Gravis also has its place.

Homie save it, the company is gonna bomb.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #349 on: October 09, 2024, 09:45:50 AM »
I always thought Last Resort was copying the 'shoes without big side brand logos' and materials vibe of Sal 23s and Dukes... except designed by hipsters people who also like floppy unstructured Converse Chuck Taylors...

JT new shoes sound a bit like they would compete with the coffee shop / cruiser board end of Last Resort users..

Gravis Arto mid looking very ahead of its time now... 

Gravis .... seemed was 1/4 an arty skate shoe umbrella for Dylan, and 1/2 a snowboard company chiller shoe brand sold on having good insoles... and 1/4 flip flops?
Wasn't the issue it was canned everywhere except Japan (where it's under the same roof as Burton snowboards) that it just wasn't popular with skaters? Who, for all their sins, go through a lot of shoes...
so if JT is trying to fill that market of 'upmarket skate/fashion crossover, not that popular with core/main skate scene... it sounds like he's on the right path!





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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #350 on: October 09, 2024, 10:01:25 AM »
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You all are a bunch of sourpusses. Jaimie is cool his shoes kinda look like vans without the branding but they look better and I imagine have better materials. If you don’t like his shoes why not just not buy them instead of massive thread of shit towards somebody most of you have never met?  The hyprocrysim is ripe
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I've met him. He sucks.

I don't think anyone is saying he is a Nazi. It's the sheer stupidity of choosing a name for a brand that is very easily synonymous with the holocaust. You could choose anything, but you choose that? Dumb.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #351 on: October 09, 2024, 10:05:14 AM »
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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #352 on: October 09, 2024, 10:10:48 AM »

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #353 on: October 09, 2024, 11:43:07 AM »
Is it just me or do all of these new shoe companies seem to be really bland? Good luck to him, but I just don't see this company being successful.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #354 on: October 09, 2024, 03:02:12 PM »
‘Sounds like you guys are copying it’

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #355 on: October 09, 2024, 04:17:15 PM »
responses in this thread are funny as hell

at least wait for the whole thing to drop before hating it

i get the JT hate though

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #356 on: October 09, 2024, 05:03:46 PM »
Btw, gravis japan only has the filter and a loafer as shoe models.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #357 on: October 09, 2024, 05:26:27 PM »
I wanna see a review cause despite him repeating the word premium multiple times the soles on the shoes he showed on nine club look like that cheap hard rubber huf used to use . Those soles were awful and wore so badly you rub off the rubber with a finger
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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #358 on: October 09, 2024, 05:31:54 PM »




I never took a close side by side look but wow. I get that its a basic design but even in that context it's especially similar.

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Re: Jamie Thomas's new shoe company?
« Reply #359 on: October 09, 2024, 06:08:28 PM »
Anyone care for a conversation about this venture and its potential for success or failure?  I have thoughts.

It’s an interesting concept and I always thought he designed good, functional skate shoes. And now he’s designing for the old people who can’t sk8 gud no more, and have extra money to burn from their 9-5.

Except Straye…  WTF was that. Yuck.

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