"I would like to see some source for Muslims killing 1/3 of the worlds Jewish population, or which particular time period and place you are talking about this happening. "
During the time periods I mention, given Jewish settlement was allowed primarily in 3 cities in Israel, indeed there were explosions and murders of 1/3 of certain settlements/cities and at various points fleeing to other places in the Ottoman Empire and/or Europe or Syria/Lebanon. Again, I fully accept that Ottoman Empire did not have full control centralized in the modern sense, and that jews did live for hundreds of years in many countries that ultimately become the British mandate of palestinine
A few specific responses:
- All of those entries describe Ottoman Turk sanctioned pograms (at least in the ones from pre 1900 time period) after ousting of Mamlauks. During some of these, the jewish population of Israel was indeed reduced by 1/3 or more. The Arab population in some of these time periods was very small as well. Jerusalem was a majority christian city for hundred of years. Many of these time periods do not appear tabulated in the numbers you provided. I dont believe there are numbers that are full census from some of these time periods.
- Someone else in this thread mentioned Ottoman agressions in the Middle East. I could also list many atrocities against Christians as the other person noted. That said, I agree overall these were pograms in the context of a larger Ottoman- Turk conquest of the mamlauks, but why is the murder, looting and rape excused if directed at Jews? I am in no way transporting this forward to imply that this is related to a moral justification for the current war, but its a well known fact that both the crusader empire kingdom of Jerusalem and the pre-zionist Ottomans, as well as other arab nations, had persistent issues with pograms against jews - state sponsored at various levels and with tacit or explicit approval of leaders during various periods. At some points Jerusalem and other places were temporarily rid of jews by Crusaders-- agreed.
- The population link that you posted has huge gaps as you can see, and doesn't really cover this period. Covers more of the zionist period. In 1800s and 1900s huge amounts of Jews and Arabs moved to Israel-- this is well documented. But the idea that they all came from Europe is fault. Most were from the Middle East. Happy to provide sources if anyone is curious -- but all of the following countries' Jewish histories during the 1800s to late 1900s and mass expulsions to Israel can easily be researched: (a) Yemen, (b) Morocco, (c) Syria, (d) Egypt, (e) Libya, (f) Iran (relatively large population allowed to remain), (g) Bahrain, (h) Afghanistan, (i) other parts of "British Mandate" (i.e., historic TransJordan, etc.), ...
- I agree that empathy for all people is important
- What do you expect Jews in Israel to do in terms of place to live and survival? More than 50% of Jews in Israel descend from Jews from middle eastern lands expelled in 1800s and 1900s (as noted above), stripped of their property and forced to move to Israel. Yes, some Israelis descend from Ashkanaz jewish refugees in Israel who are from Europe in the modern times, but trace descendant to the Middle East-- again less relevant than the reality that they live in Israel and hopefully we can agree dont deserve to be abducted, raped or executed.
- Assuming you dont plan to expel all Jews from Israel, how do you suggest Israel reacts to the attacks on its citizens including women and children recently? I can accept if you think some sort of negotiated settlement is required now, but long term what is the solution in Gaza specifically? Jews are long gone from Gaza despite what you might believe. What do you suggest Israel does at this point to free its hostages, or is that not relevant? If you are a pacifist, I understand that view. If not, what level of response do you think is appropriate, or are acts of terrorism against civilians justified while Gaza border cut off by both Egypt and Israel in response to threats of violence, instability, rape and looting.
Again- I have family and friends with views on both sides (and indeed, killed and injured in the attacks), just hard for me to understand capture and execution of women and children act as an act of valor or resistance. I certainly accept that I'm not unbiased.
Compassion definately should rule the day. Optimally Hamas can be removed from power in some kind of non-violent way. I dont venture to have an opinion on what the answer is at all, would just urge folks to be compassionate to their neighbors and try to remember there are humans involved on both sides who have valid feelings and claims. Would urge everyone to consider their words to their neighbors and friends that may be impacted amongst jews and muslims and peace to all.