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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2024, 08:58:12 AM »
What even is subculture these days?
Those dudes that bring RC cars to skateparks.

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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2024, 11:02:03 AM »
I'm not reading a GQ article....that said, skateboarding used to be a pure sub-culture. Now, it's just culture. It mirrors the rest of society, and like society, you can find every facet within it, from Olympic athletes to satanic (barrier) kult types. It's hard to argue that skateboarding, as whole, is still a sub-culture when you can now find a skate park sandwiched between the dog park, soccer field, and little league diamond in almost any suburb.

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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2024, 11:08:21 AM »
i liked the article, way better than i expected from gq, the interviewer seemed like he knew whats up

edit: title is pretty misleading tho
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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2024, 11:32:19 AM »
From my own experience in The Netherlands, street skating is definitely not popular. The 'mainstream skaters' are all posted up at their local indoor or outdoor parks and I can count the times I've seen people hit street spots in the four years I've been skating on two hands.

here in Rotterdam i regulary run into other skaters at street spots tho.
i think the lack of spots probably plays into this here. a nice spot people wanna skate. but there isn't all that much in the Netherlands. and not many people wanna drive out to a single spot to just skate that one spot. i woulnt.

but Rotterdam has a lot of good spots close to eachother so you can cycle or skate from spot to spot. and skate a diverse selection of obstacles easily. even older skaters still hitting the street spots here frequently.

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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2024, 12:07:15 PM »
Of course there is still a subcultural aspect to skateboarding.

There are people (most of us) who identify as skaters, we have our own argot, style, values, and ideology. We have our own history, heroes, and such that further the cultural side of skateboarding. The unique cultural side of skateboarding is undeniable.

And the counter-cultural, rebelious, deviant side is there as well, solidifying our little world as a subculture. Most of us internalized the ideology Thrasher, Anti-Hero etc. pushed which is overtly anti-suburban, anti-standard work life, anti-"law and order", (somewhat)anti-capitalist, and so on. And, many of us when we were younger also saw ourselves as "skaters," which the definition was usually "not like the jocks, frat boys, businessmen, etc." We viewed our selves as different/opposing the American ideals for how boys/men were supposed to act. And even now, we still rebel by not being "traditionalist" dickheads about gender, sexuality, etc. Unlike those "traditional" bro-brah assholes who have lame versions of masculinity that refuse to accept trans, gay, queer+ identities, we have been pretty good at embracing these non-traditional identities as part of our scene. Being stoked on whatever shouldhavegonetocollege posts on IG only furthers how we are subcultural and still pushing boundaries that upset the suburbs.

And there is exclusivity, I imagine most of us can remember our experience getting into the scene and for many of us it likely fucking sucked. I was socialized into skateboarding with encouragement but also with exclusion, being mocked (I pushed mongo for a few years), and threatened (dude at the park threatened to beat the shit out of me unless I skated the hubba properly (i.e. got on after the kink not before)). Skateboarding is welcoming but it is also a cool guy dickhead world that is protective and suspicious of outsiders.

And, this notion that it is only recently that skateboarding has been part of the mainstream is not true. There has always been overlap with the mainstream. Gleaming the Cube came out in the 80s, Marty McFly was zipping around on his hoverboard in 1985, Sk8 TV was on Nickelodian in the early 90s, Bart Simpson--one of Americas most famous cultural icons--had a board and such. We were always part of mainstream but stereotyped as the "bad boy," which only furthered our subcultural definition.

Finally, the sport/Olympic part has always been a part of skateboarding as well. ABC was showing contests in 1965, Tony Hawk's dad ?started? CASTL, which was supposed to be the little league of skateboarding, and so on. Just as freestyle, longboarding, luge, etc. sport-boarding has always been a sub-field within our little subculture. The question is has this become the dominate form of skateboarding? Does it have significant power? I will always fear that it will be the dominant or challenge the power our subcultural version of skateboarding has, but it hasn't significantly challenged us yet. I mean look at the all the Olympic skaters. Jagger can't find a decent sponsor in skateboarding, the Portuguese dude is a complete embarrassment, and Yuto (and maybe DaShawn) is the only one who seems to be able to have status in the sport version of skateboarding and our subcultural version. And, even dudes like Gravette went from a park kid (pretty sure his early nickname was pads) to gnarly hesh Creature dude to really become a part of skateboarding. The Olympics with its support from governments around the world and further interest from parent's like Jaggers' parents may eventually challenge and then overwhelm our subcultural version, but for the moment I think we hold the majority of power in defining skateboarding.



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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2024, 01:36:20 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2024, 01:48:46 PM »
I wonder what the mallgrab would be on a hoverboard?

Counterculture in skating would be the kid in nyjah shorts and a MAGA hat. That’s punk rock. No one would argue that kid is popular… and thus, that kid is counter to the prevalent culture.

That’s not to disagree with everything you said, Lurp, just a little bored and pontificating.



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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2024, 02:21:54 PM »
Before skateboarding and skateboard culture were married to each other, you couldn't separate them, if you were in it... you were in it....I think what O'Dell is alluding to is that there are lots of people who just skate but have no idea what's going on culturally.  There is some truth to this, but I still think the fact they are doing it is counter culture, as much as we may think everyone does it...they don't. 

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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2024, 03:25:28 PM »
I wonder what the mallgrab would be on a hoverboard?

Counterculture in skating would be the kid in nyjah shorts and a MAGA hat. That’s punk rock. No one would argue that kid is popular… and thus, that kid is counter to the prevalent culture.

That’s not to disagree with everything you said, Lurp, just a little bored and pontificating.

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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2024, 08:57:18 PM »
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I wonder what the mallgrab would be on a hoverboard?

Counterculture in skating would be the kid in nyjah shorts and a MAGA hat. That’s punk rock. No one would argue that kid is popular… and thus, that kid is counter to the prevalent culture.

That’s not to disagree with everything you said, Lurp, just a little bored and pontificating.
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2024, 11:23:19 PM »
It’s a culture, that contains subcultures.

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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2024, 10:29:11 AM »
i liked the article, way better than i expected from gq, the interviewer seemed like he knew whats up

edit: title is pretty misleading tho

chris black (the writer) is generally a pretty smart guy, i think he vaguely works in the fashion world, but he has a podcast called how long gone which usually has good guests, i think spanky was on ep a couple months back

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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2024, 11:14:50 AM »
When a mainstream magazine (that has nothing to do with subject matter it's covering) asks whether something is still a sub-culture...well, your answer is decidedly right there, without any equivocation. That ship has long sailed. 
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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2024, 03:09:21 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2024, 06:11:58 PM »
Kids learned before most of us were probably even born that whatever you can throw at capitalism will just be sold right back to you. Skateboarding might be unique because almost 30 years on from the X-games, it's still a moving target. Remember when the Olympics started how coverage of the street contests often included this kind of breathless praise for the "sportsmanship" of the participants? People at NBC or wherever would see competitors high-fiving and hugging each other after a good run and they couldn't fucking understand it. That's not to say that everyone who was there wasn't there to win. Of course they were, but being stoked for each other for putting down a banger is part of the culture in a way that it isn't in any other Olympic event that I can think of. And it's fine that some dingus on TV who represents the dominant culture doesn't understand that. Skateboarding isn't for them anyway.



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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2024, 01:28:55 AM »
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« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2024, 12:36:01 PM »
was watching a house hunter type show and the home owner said "love the culture of this neighborhood" - not sure what that means.

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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2024, 01:40:33 PM »
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was watching a house hunter type show and the home owner said "love the culture of this neighborhood" - not sure what that means.
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I actually finally watched Major League.  Pretty good, not as funny as I was expecting though.

From where I'm sitting maybe a better question would be "Are there still skateboarding subcultures?"  That way you get rid of the whole reductive / monolithic thing, and then you can be like, "yeah, 70s fad skating everyone had a skateboard, but z-boys was their own subculture," or 80s same thing with back to the future being on one stratos and the scene being its own things.  Maybe the most distilled it got was early 90s when there werent' any plastic toys or THPS or whatever to appeal to masses, just the occasional ravers who also wanted chain wallets?  This post is dedicated to Uncld Flea

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« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2024, 07:33:47 AM »
In sociological terms, yes. It’s meets all the criteria. I have a really great book that talks about this, gamers, conspiracy theorists, riot grrrls, punks, computer nerds, skinheads (both categories) you name it.

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« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2024, 09:34:55 AM »
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