Gofted Hater has become an anti-fascist force in skateboarding. Legend

[dkn]

I Kno it's not to do with GH. I just want to illustrate how close problems really are. We should all stick together. Especially in skatebloarding

ya <3

idk maybe GH will post a vid uncovering whats rly goin on with Tim Pool tryin to market off skatin.  maybe he'll reflect on his privilege a bit and better understand when to attack and when to not.  thats all i want

in all likelihood Glaser is just an accidental puppet of Tim Pool and GH tryin to save him and GH means no harm when he targets things attached to oppressed cultures cause he never seen no real real

[manuduncan]

On his latest stream he said he’s putting together a Tim pool hit piece video

also I feel like scifi and especially Ryan lay and Jerry hsu wouldn’t really fuck with him anymore if they thought he was what you are insinuating he is

[dkn]

ya nah i know Jerry Hsu is class conscious, he put it on the merch.  so when GH does these antics i just wonder why Hsu not givin him guidance

and to be clear i never insinuated GH is shit except a sheltered kid sayin sometimes-naive shit

edit: but regardless dude pretty much runs our culture at this point, so there are real consequences when he teaches kids certain things (champagne-socialist rhetoric) or clowns on certain shit (hot wheels jacket)

[Sila]

ya nah i know Jerry Hsu is class conscious, he put it on the merch.  so when GH does these antics i just wonder why Hsu not givin him guidance

and to be clear i never insinuated GH is shit except a sheltered kid sayin sometimes-naive shit

edit: but regardless dude pretty much runs our culture at this point, so there are real consequences when he teaches kids certain things (champagne-socialist rhetoric) or clowns on certain shit (hot wheels jacket)

I'm a poc and that's the main impression I have of him. The thing is though if all the same takes were coming from some random guy at the park i'd be inclined to be slightly more suspect.

[addie pray]

ya nah i know Jerry Hsu is class conscious, he put it on the merch

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Mainstream/commercial culture can't be separated from the social norms of its audience/market, including the underlying social inequalities and biases that make up that culture.
Perspectives that consistently take into account underlying, systemic isms, are by definition a more radical proposition.
I think expecting an egalitarian perspective in a podcast with mainstream aspirations, is like believing in corporate responsibility, ie. at best a gamble and likely a waste of time.

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i do agree with this and it's why i never posted anything til i learned dudes sellin political merch.  you sell political merch, you subvert this argument

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is it really political merch tho ? seems to me more likely that he is trolling a youtube celebrity he finds corny regarless of their political leanings, like he is also currently doing with moistcritikal - another corny youtube celeb

they're all corny only difference is gh is pretty self aware of his corniness and niche market in comparison to these guys

your opening paragraph answers your own question

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when he discusses Hasan he literally recites the "champagne socialist" argument used in early-1900s East Germany though.  it manifests into kids slapping that rhetoric everywhere and invalidating one of the few anti-fascist voices we have.  poor people sure as shit dont get to have a voice like that

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hasan is the living definition of a 'champagne socialist'

you're jumping to the defence of a youtube millionaire

He’s mentioned in the definition of the term “champagne socialist” on Wikipedia in fact.  I just happened to look it up as OP was mentioning it so frequently and was amused to find him being called one in the short blurb on the use of this term in the US.

It seems like something that Hassan might be trying to get in front of by dismissing it as “(empty) rhetoric”, but GH is certainly not the first or last to accuse him of being hypocritical. 

I do find GH to be a bit too edgelord/online/right adjacent for my liking at times, but don’t think this is a great example. 

[manuduncan]

ya nah i know Jerry Hsu is class conscious, he put it on the merch.  so when GH does these antics i just wonder why Hsu not givin him guidance

and to be clear i never insinuated GH is shit except a sheltered kid sayin sometimes-naive shit

edit: but regardless dude pretty much runs our culture at this point, so there are real consequences when he teaches kids certain things (champagne-socialist rhetoric) or clowns on certain shit (hot wheels jacket)

But isn’t that worth clowning lol it’s an objectively dumb jacket

And to wear it while going 0 for 5 on your tricks in street league just adds to the humor and clownability

In that same skate fashion vid he shit on ville wester just as much, and he’s gone in on all the dickies riders like Tom Knox Jamie foy Jake hayes in a much more merciless fashion imo no pun intended

[swellbowed]

(cough cough)
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120262.0

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I think gifted leans a little right, or at least leans against liberals

But he is an equal opportunity hater

And he’s been working on a take down video of Tim Pool for a couple weeks now which should be out soon

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Against liberals doesn't mean you're on the right racist tho.

I'm not a big jfk guy or anything. And I'm def not handing out cookies in the streets neo the one style.

I consider myself as just a skater who seen and even sometimes found myself involved in ugliness as a kid. I experienced it too. I want it to die. I want us tribe with out hesitation because we're all skatebloarding.

Talking shit is fine. I actually love it. But attacks that try to subhuman someone in anyway is unacceptable. You can enjoy your toy how you wanna but you can not do that hate shit around here.

People who can't recognize what they're looking at sometimes open up and be like blah blah yuck at me.

My neighbor on election night was like all 1980 memories and Reagan era suck into my ear and how much she loved the man.
Hmmm
I weighed it took a sip of my beer and politely toldl my crazy neighbor I'm going to bed. Talking to me about Reagan on voting day.

How could she think we could unite around that idk. She's rich. Definitely been the victim of some 1970s nightmare.
There's no way I wanna fight again.

Thank the dark lord she didn't say David Duke. My god. People forget that fool ran in 1980.
And BOOM Charlottesville there he is and he was saying on the tv that Trump made promises and now he's gotta pay up. That's on top of the official kkk endorsement!

How the fuck can we be there again back to back. Why aren't both sides running younger people idk. It's like they benefit from the continuation of hate. 

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Not a jfk guy myself, but besides adams and Quincy adams jimmy carter was our finest president.

Carter I agree looks good. His religious views and lack of power base got him killed by Bush the cia and the hostage situation.
He should NOT have fucked with the shah. Good guys can't ever read the room.

Idk if there was any good presidents.

Think about like Ike and his strike first policy. They are all bastards. I have faith in the future. I'd like to see a woman win.  Like a few in a row

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Mainstream/commercial culture can't be separated from the social norms of its audience/market, including the underlying social inequalities and biases that make up that culture.
Perspectives that consistently take into account underlying, systemic isms, are by definition a more radical proposition.
I think expecting an egalitarian perspective in a podcast with mainstream aspirations, is like believing in corporate responsibility, ie. at best a gamble and likely a waste of time.

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i do agree with this and it's why i never posted anything til i learned dudes sellin political merch.  you sell political merch, you subvert this argument

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is it really political merch tho ? seems to me more likely that he is trolling a youtube celebrity he finds corny regarless of their political leanings, like he is also currently doing with moistcritikal - another corny youtube celeb

they're all corny only difference is gh is pretty self aware of his corniness and niche market in comparison to these guys

your opening paragraph answers your own question

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when he discusses Hasan he literally recites the "champagne socialist" argument used in early-1900s East Germany though.  it manifests into kids slapping that rhetoric everywhere and invalidating one of the few anti-fascist voices we have.  poor people sure as shit dont get to have a voice like that

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hasan is the living definition of a 'champagne socialist'

you're jumping to the defence of a youtube millionaire

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He’s mentioned in the definition of the term “champagne socialist” on Wikipedia in fact.  I just happened to look it up as OP was mentioning it so frequently and was amused to find him being called one in the short blurb on the use of this term in the US.

It seems like something that Hassan might be trying to get in front of by dismissing it as “(empty) rhetoric”, but GH is certainly not the first or last to accuse him of being hypocritical. 

I do find GH to be a bit too edgelord/online/right adjacent for my liking at times, but don’t think this is a great example.

bro ngl you're a dumbass, you should work on that.  must notta seen the Bernie buzz in 2016 smh.  libs espousing champagne-socialism rhetoric has haunted all anti-capitalist discussion ever

like, you can put this on a hat:



and still make a livelihood for yourself.  you can criticize capitalism and even own food and shelter, believe it or not.  yall mfs gonna get us killed bein this dumb, im not even kidding i got the numbers to back that up

this why we cant have GH spreadin that shit, cause now i gotta provide training wheels to lazy minds all day

[dkn]

imagine $lave dropped today LOLL yall be like "little hypocritical dont you think..."

remind me to never have anti-capitalist takes in front of skaters outside SF again, this shit way too depressing.  no wonder Tim Pool fuckin with this shit.

[Shtonk]

First I was gonna tell OP to take their fake woke identity politics bullshit back to skate twitter and concoct trashy fictional outrage plots with the likes of Kyle Beachy over there. Then I thought maybe they're not doing well with all the backtracking, contradicting and skewed takes on reality. Now I'm finding it most likely this is some false flag counterinsurgence from the Tim Pool camp in expectation of the GH takedown vid.

Not just against GH but also Ricky Glaser who iirc has clearly denied working for Tim Pool but somehow this is presented as fact here? Update appreciated if I've missed out on any developments here tho.

Anybody who thinks Hasan Piker is "the only antifascist voice we have" is more terminally internet brained than GH will ever be. And lol at the absolute units on here mistaking Daniel Radcliffe for Hitler.

[lurkluke]

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ya nah i know Jerry Hsu is class conscious, he put it on the merch.  so when GH does these antics i just wonder why Hsu not givin him guidance

and to be clear i never insinuated GH is shit except a sheltered kid sayin sometimes-naive shit

edit: but regardless dude pretty much runs our culture at this point, so there are real consequences when he teaches kids certain things (champagne-socialist rhetoric) or clowns on certain shit (hot wheels jacket)

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But isn’t that worth clowning lol it’s an objectively dumb jacket

And to wear it while going 0 for 5 on your tricks in street league just adds to the humor and clownability

In that same skate fashion vid he shit on ville wester just as much, and he’s gone in on all the dickies riders like Tom Knox Jamie foy Jake hayes in a much more merciless fashion imo no pun intended

Yeah the joke wasn't the jacket, it was getting so dressed up in a statement piece and not scoring a point.

That's inherently funny in a skateboarding competition.

It'd be funny if Foy rocked up in a matrix duster, or Dicenzo in a valour tracksuit.

 If Robert Neale won it would've been great... but he didn't. So he has to take a few shots online.

[dkn]

First I was gonna tell OP to take their fake woke identity politics bullshit back to skate twitter and concoct trashy fictional outrage plots with the likes of Kyle Beachy over there. Then I thought maybe they're not doing well with all the backtracking, contradicting and skewed takes on reality. Now I'm finding it most likely this is some false flag counterinsurgence from the Tim Pool camp in expectation of the GH takedown vid.

Not just against GH but also Ricky Glaser who iirc has clearly denied working for Tim Pool but somehow this is presented as fact here? Update appreciated if I've missed out on any developments here tho.

Anybody who thinks Hasan Piker is "the only antifascist voice we have" is more terminally internet brained than GH will ever be. And lol at the absolute units on here mistaking Daniel Radcliffe for Hitler.

bold of you to assume i'm a "fake-woke-identity-politics-bullshit" liberal.  i'm anti-capitalist you idiot, and i'm extremely well-versed.  you will not catch me slipping or "backtracking"; i'm not a reactionary like you; i have specific philosophical texts i work off (Hegel, Deleuze, Marx).

as i said, Ricky Glaser is a Tim Pool associate.  sus of you to try to subvert my remark by twisting it into acting like i said he's Tim Pool's employee.



1) now name me a single anti-fascist voice in the mainstream eye other than Hasan.  and i don't mean fascist in the reactionary way you understand it of people showing up at drag shows or whatever the fuck with guns.  i mean the systemic fascism that economic liberalism both theoretically and anecdotally slips into (as we are witnessing), where the rich get richer/rarer and the working class becomes homeless and made to be criminals/die while useful pawns like you rush to defend the very system causing it.

2) also, name one point where i contradicted myself.  a single one.

do not shy from these two things i'm asking of you.  i typically don't debate because it's wasteful as a food fight,  but i've an audience and i can already tell from the language you are using and your username that you are an easy target and that i can easily embarrass the shit out of you with little ontological toll.  and this has nothing to do with my ego, i just find it infuriating that you can so casually dismiss antifascist perspectives during a literal genocide and homelessness epidemic.

dumbass lib.  "identity politics" smh, this material dialectics right here

[AdditionalSlip]

You’re pretty far gone here, you don’t need to die on a hill for hasan piker. He uses virtue signalling to rake in a living on social media, his opinions are so far removed from his acts. If your basis for gh being a fascist is him mocking a narcissistic vampire then he should be ok.

The discourse on this is ridiculous, it seems like some actually need it spelled out to them that people talking on the internet can have different thoughts than they do.

[Dante Bichette]

Me after writing nonsensical essays to own a edgy youtuber

[Steely Daniel]

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ya nah i know Jerry Hsu is class conscious, he put it on the merch.  so when GH does these antics i just wonder why Hsu not givin him guidance

and to be clear i never insinuated GH is shit except a sheltered kid sayin sometimes-naive shit

edit: but regardless dude pretty much runs our culture at this point, so there are real consequences when he teaches kids certain things (champagne-socialist rhetoric) or clowns on certain shit (hot wheels jacket)

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But isn’t that worth clowning lol it’s an objectively dumb jacket

And to wear it while going 0 for 5 on your tricks in street league just adds to the humor and clownability

In that same skate fashion vid he shit on ville wester just as much, and he’s gone in on all the dickies riders like Tom Knox Jamie foy Jake hayes in a much more merciless fashion imo no pun intended

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It'd be funny if Foy rocked up in a matrix duster, or Dicenzo in a valour tracksuit.

I want to see this so bad. Short chunky boy in a long duster grinding the fuck outta everything.

[håkanhellström]

i'll start this by sayin i think GH is actually too politically illiterate to be an ideological fascist/racist and that lots of this behavior stems from him just being sheltered, though his reach and influence in skateboarding is powerful enough to end careers

you have numerous black skaters voicing that GH unjustly targets their culture.  it's enough voices that this can not be ruled a big nothing

coincidentally, Gifted Hater is selling political merch targetting the largest anti-fascist voice, Hasan, a massive proponent of rights for the homeless, black, gay, trans, etc. communities

(this convo was overtakin the insta thread so ima continue discussion here)

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That hassan piker sticker is raleted joas podcast world genius stuff. It has not anything to do with political they just have internet beef with this twitch steamer hassan piker.

[dkn]

You’re pretty far gone here, you don’t need to die on a hill for hasan piker. He uses virtue signalling to rake in a living on social media, his opinions are so far removed from his acts. If your basis for gh being a fascist is him mocking a narcissistic vampire then he should be ok.

The discourse on this is ridiculous, it seems like some actually need it spelled out to them that people talking on the internet can have different thoughts than they do.

idc bout Hasan i dont even like dute, pompous atheists are annoying

what i care about is the philosophy of what's occurring: that any anticapitalist voice who gets into mainstream eyes gets slandered by this liberal understanding that the products you consume define who you are.  thus the poor get no voice to represent them other than liberals when economic liberalism is literally what's making people poor.

keep in mind: by liberals i mean both left-wing and right-wing ones.  believers of capitalism, of economic liberalism

it's the champange-socialist rhetoric.  GH literally made a video reciting it for 3 minutes.  i've had to spell it out 20 times in here.

"far gone," sure yeah, far gone from you.  because you define people by the products they purchase.  i don't. i'm not brainwashed by capitalism like you are.  i'd argue that you're far gone.

completely perplexed that you guys can not see past the champagne-socialist rhetoric.  very sad.  Jesus was killed by behavior like this you know.  people said "how dare you speak for the oppressed!  you can't do that because _____"

[dkn]

also, i don't want to have to type in MLA Standard soft-serving you guys philosophy lessons.  i get it, that you're not used to socialist philosopher types.  but what i do ask you to acknowledge is that i am very well-versed in this stuff and have very real experience and lots of it, dating back to OWS.  i have ties to things like the Black Panthers, i've touched the captured flags from East Germany.  i've led many protests.  and what i'm seeing, is that in spite of the fact that i like Gifted Hater, i'm seeing black skaters feeling a certain way about him and it's checking out on my end; that he is indeed providing fascist talking points.  i don't think it's intentional, but i think somewhere down the line they are sneaking into his diet of information (perhaps 4chan or something?) and that he is without a doubt the defacto tastemaker in skateboarding and thus regurgitating it back to us.  he runs our culture.

this should worry you.

[naites]

If there are ten people at a table, a fascist comes and sits down, and no one gets up, then there are eleven fascists at a table.

[HugeBodBoyle]

I think it was John Perry Barlow that said, "it is true, you can't have good without evil, but you don't have to give evil a seat at the table."

Not sure where that fits into this thread, and I don't think GH is evil or anything, but I feel like there's better uses of energy in the world than what he churns out.

Orange County is a weird place, man.

[Shtonk]

I applaud those on here with the patience to treat this guy at face value still. I'll go ahead and consider my theory #3 confirmed. People like you are the reason true leftist spaces still need gatekeepers. Gonna gift Joa an extra 10 subs next stream just to spite you and subscribe to Ricky Glaser too. And on the off chance you're actually being real: go get help please, this isn't a good place for you.

[Shtonk]

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also, i don't want to have to type in MLA Standard soft-serving you guys philosophy lessons.  i get it, that you're not used to socialist philosopher types.  but what i do ask you to acknowledge is that i am very well-versed in this stuff and have very real experience and lots of it, dating back to OWS.  i have ties to things like the Black Panthers, i've touched the captured flags from East Germany.  i've led many protests.  and what i'm seeing, is that in spite of the fact that i like Gifted Hater, i'm seeing black skaters feeling a certain way about him and it's checking out on my end; that he is indeed providing fascist talking points.  i don't think it's intentional, but i think somewhere down the line they are sneaking into his diet of information (perhaps 4chan or something?) and that he is without a doubt the defacto tastemaker in skateboarding and thus regurgitating it back to us.  he runs our culture.

this should worry you.

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That's interesting. I've done all those things too. I actually know black skaters who think hes an amazing representation of skating and don't feel any type of way towards him at all.

You see how you're just saying shit, but not actually saying anything of value or substance or without the ability to completely refute. Anyone can give a call to authority and some hypothetical anecdote about "black" skaters. You're saying so much shit in this post about all these heavy topics, but aren't really saying a god damn thing that is undeniable. You're like my manager. Just talking and saying shit without ever making a digestible point.

you say you "have the numbers" to back up that we're all going "get us killed". Please enlighten us on exactly what you mean.

You are the quintessential "woke" dick head that thinks hes holier than thou in his outlook on life when in reality your as fucking clueless as the rest of us, just can't admit it.

Just get over it man. People are over the leftist crybaby bullshit. Y'all had a good run. Let it be known as well that I want public works, free health care, school, etc. You on the other hand want to bitch and moan and connect your dots like fucking charlie day out of its always sunny and get the kid canceled because you don't agree with a sticker on a laptop and the fact hes in a picture with someone who you again do not agree with politically.

There is this hyper bizarre irony of you leftist turds screaming and shouting about authoritarianism and fascism. The reality it is over the past decade the blue haired liberal arts major, I can't get a job cause I have a stupid degree and am in mad debt to a university but am going to blame the system not my bad life choice, has been the the most authoritarian and close to fascism. The unwavering cultural war they've set out on every tom dick and sally under the sun that doesn't conform to the gospel of the left is really old news my man.

Are you that fucking asleep bro? People, and when I say people I mean the common human, not chronically online politically obsessive types, are over the corny virtue signaling bullshit. We just want to laugh and be friends with people again, even if they have different ideals than us.

You taking that obvious troll at his word to go on an anti-leftist rant is almost as embarrassing as the guy himself. I'm sure you know very well what the left is actually fighting for but you can't pass up an opportunity to bash the minority that still believes in a better future for everyone. My guess is that's because their existence makes your cynicism look like cowardice in the mirror and you can't bear the thought that if you were just a little more courageous, you'd be fighting alongside them.

[sizzle_chest]

he tried to destroy tom knox's life and he makes videos doing nollie hardflip flyouts at the skatepark so I am done with him

[realtalk66]

I'm a communist and I think Hasan is wack as fuck as are all streamers which means gifted hater is also wack as fuck. Streamers are basically the lowest common denominator entertainers who only exist because people are so isolated and desperate for connection so they form parasocial relationships with anyone they can. Gifted Hater certainly has some edgelord 4chan esque energy to him but he's smart enough to hide his power level so we will never know if he truly feels a certain way. Typing up paragraphs to defend Hasan a supposed Socialist/Communist who has hired prostitutes or at least a prostitute while traveling abroad and also has a close friend who's dad is CIA is pathetic. Stop defending your parasocial relationship and go read some theory.

[poopnutsupreme]

I always assumed the GH vs Robert Neal beef was less around the jacket and more around GH being really into trains growing up. I have video evidence for my proof.

[thailand]

Thanks to the internet we now get to hear homeless peoples political ramblings, how wonderful.

[addie pray]

"identity politics" smh, this material dialectics right here

that phrase has a specific meaning which you're using incorrectly. this is all very far from material or dialectic analysis- you're doing TV criticism.

[KrisJolson]

he tried to destroy tom knox's life and he makes videos doing nollie hardflip flyouts at the skatepark so I am done with him

his points about tom knox were so accurate though