The Jamie Thomas & Dane Burman Thread

[h00man]

I'd like to happily announce that I have never once been a fan of Zero or Fallen in any way, shape or form. The only products I have of either are DVDs, which have never made me want to go out and skate.

Never been a fan of Jaime Thomas (always skipped playing as him in THPS), never cared for Dane Burman, and never gave a single fuck about Neckface.

Also, Chris Cole is overrated and has absolutely shit style; always has. Never understood the James Cole hype train.

Fuck all of them.

[Noble Experiment]

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

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Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that skater has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

[close]

Out of curiosity, when you watch Video Days and there's Guy Mariano as a little kid with a 40 Oz. who is responsible for the legal fallout?

What if we take it out of skate, should Joseph Deangelo's (The Golden State Killer) direct bosses have been arrested and prosecuted next to him?

With examples like that it looks like you need to invest some money in building a time machine to go back at least a minimum of a decade ago to when this sort of stuff didn't matter as much. But, times change, and with that, so does the landscape of what it means to take accountability and how the public views how companies should hold some sort of responsibility in looking after, reprimanding, and addressing employees who do stupid shit that makes their company look bad. hate to break it to ya with your outdated examples, but it's 2026 and it's just a part of being a company owner that employs employees in the spotlight, well, at least that's if you're a company owner who cares about your company. You could just not give a shit and disable comments on your company page tho and hope sales don't suffer.

[Taffy Lee Fubbins]

I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

There is a level of accountability that is missing with Jamie and Dane. I’m not saying Jamie needs to answer for Dane’s malfeasance, but making a post celebrating Dane as a person evolving for the better immediately after a story is released where he is coercing a child to send him nude photos is certainly not acceptable behaviour. I’m not saying that Jamie should be held to the same level as Dane, but him posting this story only serves to diminish the actions that Dane did. In typical JT fashion, it would have been better to not say anything at all in this case rather than make a post saying “my friend did some fucked up shit, but don’t judge him for that, he knows it was wrong.”

[MOE SYZLAK]

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that skater has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

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Out of curiosity, when you watch Video Days and there's Guy Mariano as a little kid with a 40 Oz. who is responsible for the legal fallout?

What if we take it out of skate, should Joseph Deangelo's (The Golden State Killer) direct bosses have been arrested and prosecuted next to him?

It's a bit more nuanced than simply breaking the law, it comes down to activity that harms others involved.

[outis]

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that skater has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

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Out of curiosity, when you watch Video Days and there's Guy Mariano as a little kid with a 40 Oz. who is responsible for the legal fallout?

What if we take it out of skate, should Joseph Deangelo's (The Golden State Killer) direct bosses have been arrested and prosecuted next to him?

I'm pretty sure that Guy having a a forty was part of a skit right? Maybe not in good taste, but it was a joke. I don't know much about Joseph Deangelo or his bosses, but presumably they didn't know he was a serial killer. Jamie, on the other hand, is likely to have known about the conduct of both Cole and Burman, and didn't take any meaningful action.

I'm glad that this was brought out in the open. I was a huge Burman fan for a long time, obviously was not tuned in to the allegations against him during that time. Losing his sponsors is appropriate and hopefully he actually pursues mental counseling, not just some vague reflection, because anyone who acts like that towards children is clearly in need of it.

I get the feeling no one doesn't have a lot of fans on here for whatever reasons, but this was an important story and he should get credit for the work he did bringing it to light. No doubt there are many other offenders in skateboarding, hopefully this is a step towards such conduct being no longer swept under the rug, and instead called out and appropriate consequences being rendered.

[r.g.]

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that skater has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

[close]

Out of curiosity, when you watch Video Days and there's Guy Mariano as a little kid with a 40 Oz. who is responsible for the legal fallout?

What if we take it out of skate, should Joseph Deangelo's (The Golden State Killer) direct bosses have been arrested and prosecuted next to him?

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It's a bit more nuanced than simply breaking the law, it comes down to activity that harms others involved.

Definitely,  that's why I mentioned that serial killer. If that cop's police bosses didn't know what was happening, are we being unrealistic to put a bumpkin from Alabama who didn't finish high school for 30 years on too high a pedestal?

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that skater has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

[close]

Out of curiosity, when you watch Video Days and there's Guy Mariano as a little kid with a 40 Oz. who is responsible for the legal fallout?

What if we take it out of skate, should Joseph Deangelo's (The Golden State Killer) direct bosses have been arrested and prosecuted next to him?

[close]

It's a bit more nuanced than simply breaking the law, it comes down to activity that harms others involved.

[close]

Definitely,  that's why I mentioned that serial killer. If that cop's police bosses didn't know what was happening, are we being unrealistic to put a bumpkin from Alabama who didn't finish high school for 30 years on too high a pedestal?

If all of us industry outsiders had heard the rumors. Surely the industry insiders have and more likely than not made their way to JT.

[Abyss1]

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that skater has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

[close]

Out of curiosity, when you watch Video Days and there's Guy Mariano as a little kid with a 40 Oz. who is responsible for the legal fallout?

What if we take it out of skate, should Joseph Deangelo's (The Golden State Killer) direct bosses have been arrested and prosecuted next to him?

comes down to cultural acceptance in the 90s of underage drinking.   I overheard my boss 10yrs ago talk about how she openly let their 17 yr old daughter get drunk with them and its a bit of a false comparison as underage grooming is far more creepy and psychotic 

[Noble Experiment]

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that skater has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

[close]

Out of curiosity, when you watch Video Days and there's Guy Mariano as a little kid with a 40 Oz. who is responsible for the legal fallout?

What if we take it out of skate, should Joseph Deangelo's (The Golden State Killer) direct bosses have been arrested and prosecuted next to him?

[close]

With examples like that it looks like you need to invest some money in building a time machine to go back at least a minimum of a decade ago to when this sort of stuff didn't matter as much. But, times change, and with that, so does the landscape of what it means to take accountability and how the public views how companies should hold some sort of responsibility in looking after, reprimanding, and addressing employees who do stupid shit that makes their company look bad. hate to break it to ya with your outdated examples, but it's 2026 and it's just a part of being a company owner that employs employees in the spotlight, well, at least that's if you're a company owner who cares about your company. You could just not give a shit and disable comments on your company page tho and hope sales don't suffer.

Also, to add to my point, I forgot to address that there'll obviously be situations where fucked things an employee did that occurred years ago slip under peoples radars but may get brought up in the future, to which public outrage may occur even though it didn't when it had first happened. When this occurs, people may demand a company associated with that employee make some sort of statement addressing things such as if they knew about it, why they chose to not step in, why they still chose to keep that employee employed, things of that nature. Would it be the job and responsibility of the company to address it in some sort of manner? Well, yeah, I'd say so, especially if you actually give a shit about your companies reputation. Once again, it's really on the company, their owner, and how they want to approach it. You could be an owner that says "this ain't a part of my job, I'm not saying shit", but then don't be surprised if you lose sales, if you have to mute comments, etc.

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that skater has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

[close]

Out of curiosity, when you watch Video Days and there's Guy Mariano as a little kid with a 40 Oz. who is responsible for the legal fallout?

What if we take it out of skate, should Joseph Deangelo's (The Golden State Killer) direct bosses have been arrested and prosecuted next to him?

[close]

With examples like that it looks like you need to invest some money in building a time machine to go back at least a minimum of a decade ago to when this sort of stuff didn't matter as much. But, times change, and with that, so does the landscape of what it means to take accountability and how the public views how companies should hold some sort of responsibility in looking after, reprimanding, and addressing employees who do stupid shit that makes their company look bad. hate to break it to ya with your outdated examples, but it's 2026 and it's just a part of being a company owner that employs employees in the spotlight, well, at least that's if you're a company owner who cares about your company. You could just not give a shit and disable comments on your company page tho and hope sales don't suffer.

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Also, to add to my point, I forgot to address that there'll obviously be situations where fucked things an employee did that occurred years ago slip under peoples radars but may get brought up in the future, to which public outrage may occur even though it didn't when it had first happened. When this occurs, people may demand a company associated with that employee make some sort of statement addressing things such as if they knew about it, why they chose to not step in, why they still chose to keep that employee employed, things of that nature. Would it be the job and responsibility of the company to address it in some sort of manner? Well, yeah, I'd say so, especially if you actually give a shit about your companies reputation. Once again, it's really on the company, their owner, and how they want to approach it. You could be an owner that says "this ain't a part of my job, I'm not saying shit", but then don't be surprised if you lose sales, if you have to mute comments, etc.

I get that, it makes me think of Duffel and how the internet chooses what it wants to remember and how after a while apologizing or making a statement may not necessarily serve the need one would hope.

[Sandwich Marty]

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

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Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

If you want to keep your JT poster up in your bedroom go ahead but don’t come around here with some weak ass strawman argument trying to minimizing the responsibility of the people who enabled and muffled this shit.

[Kielwasser]

Why are we having this dumb argument about "employer" responsibility when Jamie is on record calling Dane his friend. All these moronic comparisons to regular work relationships completely don't apply here. (PLUS pro skateboarders are rarely employees bur rather representatives so their behaviour does reflect a lot more  than a gardener's.

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If you want to keep your JT poster up in your bedroom go ahead but don’t come around here with some weak ass strawman argument trying to minimizing the responsibility of the people who enabled and muffled this shit.

He fired the creep the day the proof was posted, I don't know if Bronk or the woman in the msgs ever approached with those screenshots prior to yesterday, and neither do you.

[Sandwich Marty]

[r.g.]

Yknow what, you're right. That's not my company and happily not my problem.

[lurkluke]

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that employee has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

Also - I know the industry is pretty shabby when it comes to agreements/contracts etc - but I would guess it's pretty standard that any contract has big clause saying "if you bring us into disrepute we will drop you immediately".

Being a pedo should trigger that clause.

[Newphone]

Brinks got a new post on insta, this is all pretty disturbing, but I think he should just dump everything he has in the most professional way possible and skip the Chris Hanson cameo stuff.

[Mandatory Reload]

it's been fuck Dane Burman for years and anyone who's ever been aware of this guy won't be remotely surprised to learn of this behavior. Jamie too.

that being said, I desperately wish we had ANYONE else that was willing to do this kind of journalism in skateboarding that had even a little bit of integrity.

"Serving Dane some Cody Davis catfish karma felt amazing, by the way."

Super normal thing to say in your supposedly serious and not self-serving investigatory article, man. This guy is palpably giddy at the prospect of being "the guy who breaks the story" and getting revenge on an industry that he feels he was wrongly shunned by. Glad to see these pieces of shit get exposed but it's extremely frustrating that we have to have Br***'s weirdo shit mixed up in it.

[Noble Experiment]

Brinks got a new post on insta, this is all pretty disturbing, but I think he should just dump everything he has in the most professional way possible and skip the Chris Hanson cameo stuff.

Didn't he say he was taking a break due to GH?

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Oh give me a break. “Be back soon” I’m betting he’ll be back in less than a few weeks tops; dude can’t help but post about how persecuted he is, just like how he shit talks Slap yet can’t help but come back on here using multiple different accounts to post to every mention of his name.

Damn, and here I was giving him a few weeks until he comes back as if nothing happened. He didn't even make it one week.

[dumptruck12]

I wonder if Dane Burman likes apples, because I like apples, and that wouldn’t be cool if I liked the same fruit as a sexual creep, should I throw all my apples out? Ahh god!

[TheWineClub]

Brinks got a new post on insta, this is all pretty disturbing, but I think he should just dump everything he has in the most professional way possible and skip the Chris Hanson cameo stuff.

His page is private now

[Hqjdncm]

So I’m confused, he’s alluding to the girl that neckface hit up to fly out here is the same girl Burman hit up? Yasmin? Or just another girl that they both just ended up hitting up

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Brinks got a new post on insta, this is all pretty disturbing, but I think he should just dump everything he has in the most professional way possible and skip the Chris Hanson cameo stuff.

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His page is private now

It’s still up for me.

Anyway it says:
"One day I visited Santa Monica to skate with a friend who was trying to get on Zero. We went to some school spot to meet up with the team and Jamie Thomas was there with some Zero riders.
There were these young girls on scooters riding around and they stopped to watch everyone skate.
They had to have been like, 10 years old - maybe even younger.
So my friend makes his trick and the little girls on the scooters were yelling for him like, "Yaaaaayyy!" You know, just having fun watching.
Then Jamie shouts to my friend, 'They love you!
You're a superstar! They love you and their t;ts haven't even popped out yet!'
And I just went blank..."


Then the caption:
robertbrink - A testimony from an old friend
The problem, the patterns, and the culprits should be crystal clear by now. Thank you to all who have watched the interviews, read the articles, and supported the victims thus far ... more to come.


I just think the “more to come” seems weird. This is an anonymous quote, if there’s more to come why not just post it? 

[DirtCat]

Isn't Broink the dude who posted some cryptic message a while back about some skate industry president protecting a predator, saying he contacted this industry person threatening to go public if they didn't respond to him?

[TheWineClub]

Isn't Broink the dude who posted some cryptic message a while back about some skate industry president protecting a predator, saying he contacted this industry person threatening to go public if they didn't respond to him?

I'm assuming he meant Tony Vitello and the predator was Neckface, based on that article.

[DCLOVE]

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Wasn’t their speculation on here Jamie was doing all those fallen trips to SE asia for underage sex tourism?

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As much as I don't like Jamie this kind of speculation is ridiculously serious and stupid. It's more likely they went to SEA because of untapped spots/it's cheap/or something to do with being closer to shoe manufacturers

Not to say you’re wrong but this forum literally memed Dane’s pedoness for years and this is the second person close to Jamie to be some sort of piece of shit so it’s not really far fetched anymore is it? Birds of a feather and what not.

[DirtCat]

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Isn't Broink the dude who posted some cryptic message a while back about some skate industry president protecting a predator, saying he contacted this industry person threatening to go public if they didn't respond to him?

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I'm assuming he meant Tony Vitello and the predator was Neckface, based on that article.

Yeah that's what I figured too, just couldn't place where I remembered that from

[Atiba Applebum]

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Brinks got a new post on insta, this is all pretty disturbing, but I think he should just dump everything he has in the most professional way possible and skip the Chris Hanson cameo stuff.

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His page is private now

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It’s still up for me.

Anyway it says:
"One day I visited Santa Monica to skate with a friend who was trying to get on Zero. We went to some school spot to meet up with the team and Jamie Thomas was there with some Zero riders.
There were these young girls on scooters riding around and they stopped to watch everyone skate.
They had to have been like, 10 years old - maybe even younger.
So my friend makes his trick and the little girls on the scooters were yelling for him like, "Yaaaaayyy!" You know, just having fun watching.
Then Jamie shouts to my friend, 'They love you!
You're a superstar! They love you and their t;ts haven't even popped out yet!'
And I just went blank..."


Then the caption:
robertbrink - A testimony from an old friend
The problem, the patterns, and the culprits should be crystal clear by now. Thank you to all who have watched the interviews, read the articles, and supported the victims thus far ... more to come.


I just think the “more to come” seems weird. This is an anonymous quote, if there’s more to come why not just post it?

And a testimony is a sworn statement.  This is anecdotal unless you can get corroboration

[TelethonJohn]

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I don't think it's fair to put that on company owners, otherwise Rocco, Rick & Mike, Templeton, Reynolds etc would all be in that spot being overly responsible for their employees.

[close]

Company owners being responsible for their employees? It's almost as if they'd have to do their jobs! That's a big ask.

[close]

So if you're hired as an electrician, your boss can give you shit about your trespassing and damaging property as a skateboarder? Should they get arrested if you do?

[close]

If a company owner has an employee who has a public presence (which pro skaters do), and that skater has an obligation to make the company look good (which skaters do), and that employee does something that’s frowned upon to where the company being associated with them starts to look bad just by being associated with them, then it’d probably be in the company owner’s best interest in accepting some sort of responsibility in addressing it, thus making it a part of their job.

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Out of curiosity, when you watch Video Days and there's Guy Mariano as a little kid with a 40 Oz. who is responsible for the legal fallout?

What if we take it out of skate, should Joseph Deangelo's (The Golden State Killer) direct bosses have been arrested and prosecuted next to him?

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I'm pretty sure that Guy having a a forty was part of a skit right? Maybe not in good taste, but it was a joke. I don't know much about Joseph Deangelo or his bosses, but presumably they didn't know he was a serial killer. Jamie, on the other hand, is likely to have known about the conduct of both Cole and Burman, and didn't take any meaningful action.

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That was 100% part of the skit, Guy was drinking water.

Don’t know we ended up here in this thread.

Slap spiral/I'm a lawyer now

[Democratic Republic Of Mongo]

I’ll give Brænk credit where it’s due for this info. It takes an odd duck to catch a pedo sometimes I suppose.

The Neckface revelation is spicy but I’m not surprised by any of these things anymore. Disappointing people everywhere, no hobbies or interests are spared.