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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #90 on: November 21, 2024, 11:53:10 AM »

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #91 on: November 21, 2024, 02:19:26 PM »
Brazil indicted their coup leader, we voted ours back in.

https://apnews.com/article/brazil-jair-bolsonaro-indictment-0d62fe0a7399483aee48cf3c845560ea

To be fair, we indicted ours a few times and even convicted him of 30+ felonies. It is just his electoral win that has allowed him to escape justice. 

Also, of course the head of the FAA will be an airline lobbyist.
https://jacobin.com/2024/11/trump-airlines-deregulation-transportation-secretary

Finally, I wonder what we can do to bring people back into reality. I worry the left lacks the religious fervor that inspires evangelism. I feel we need to running for local offices and start acting as community organizers to pull people away from crazy. We need to think of ways to welcome people but also let them softly know that conservatives are going to hurt them more than they help them.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #92 on: November 21, 2024, 03:18:46 PM »
I think we’ll miss having Gaetz as AG.   There are crazies like Kash Patel and others who Trump could stick there instead of the FBI.  Gaetz was crazy.   He is rich, disgusting and corrupt, and but is a comprehensible disgustingness .   The die hard Maga ones are the ones that scare me

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #93 on: November 21, 2024, 03:40:07 PM »

Finally, I wonder what we can do to bring people back into reality. I worry the left lacks the religious fervor that inspires evangelism. I feel we need to running for local offices and start acting as community organizers to pull people away from crazy. We need to think of ways to welcome people but also let them softly know that conservatives are going to hurt them more than they help them.

I'm certainly not promoting it, and I could very well be wrong (hope so), but I could see the possibility of both sides turning to guerilla-style violence.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #94 on: November 21, 2024, 03:46:57 PM »
I definitely see this happening now.  I see mass protests leading to massacres by the military like Kent State or even Tiannemen square.  More acts of terrorism.  We’ll probably see some kind of Oklahoma City mass casualty event. 
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #95 on: November 21, 2024, 04:01:14 PM »
I think it all depends on how far those who are in power attempt to push their facist agenda. I really don't see the American public going down easy with rolling back the civil liberties for which they've fought so hard.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #96 on: November 21, 2024, 04:10:03 PM »
I think we’ll miss having Gaetz as AG.   There are crazies like Kash Patel and others who Trump could stick there instead of the FBI.  Gaetz was crazy.   He is rich, disgusting and corrupt, and but is a comprehensible disgustingness .   The die hard Maga ones are the ones that scare me


Eh it’s some blonde woman who used to be the Florida AG.   Name doesn’t set off any immediate alarms bells

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2024, 08:22:34 AM »
Okay, so, putting my actual sentiments aside: the stock market has been rallying - capitalist/corporate America seems happy about Trump being elected. Thoughts on how Trump will *actually* affect the economy? Will he make any actual positive changes and keep this momentum? Or will it all come tumbling down once he's actually in office? How will his changes impact "normal" people, economically speaking?


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2024, 09:01:47 AM »
Okay, so, putting my actual sentiments aside: the stock market has been rallying - capitalist/corporate America seems happy about Trump being elected. Thoughts on how Trump will *actually* affect the economy? Will he make any actual positive changes and keep this momentum? Or will it all come tumbling down once he's actually in office? How will his changes impact "normal" people, economically speaking?
If you're rich or have inherited wealth you're good as with any Republican presidency, saw it with Reagan, Bush Jr and now Trump.  The Democrats try to help but seem to be failing at any opportunity they can seize, or they're in on it too, 😐 there seems to be more and more xenophobia and subtle to outright racist rhetoric each presidential race, look back at history and you'll see.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #99 on: November 22, 2024, 10:18:55 AM »
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I think it all depends on how far those who are in power attempt to push their facist agenda. I really don't see the American public going down easy with rolling back the civil liberties for which they've fought so hard.
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Maybe i’m high but you got me legit chuckling over here, homie!

Yeah same. What planet have you been living on the last few years Ed? You mean civil liberties like Roe vs Wade? Like actual free speech? Like equal rights? Like an impartial justice system? All of these are gone already. You live in a country that is now censoring history books. ALL of the power branches of your government are about to be under Trump's control. What the fuck do you think is going to happen?!?!

Next BLM/MeToo like movement is gonna be hit by an army of Rittenhouses and nobodys gonna do a damn thing. Are you ready to defend or be among those standing up for what's right when crazed militias and cops will attack you in unison? When exactly is that point where the American people start "not going down easy"??? You are headed for the abyss and who of you is actually arming up to start doing the liberty-defending you're talking about?!

I haven't been following this and the pre-election thread closely but has there been any moment where you centrist moderate liberals with your arrogant know-it-all analyses bowed your heads in shame and acknowledged that you were dead fucking wrong? All I can see is the same people who were waxing all statesmanlike about how exactly  Kamala was beating Trump and employing perfect strategies, now going on in the same "rational" manner about a future that should do nothing but first humble you, scare you to death and then lead you to start adapting the more radical stances of the people you've been dismissing who turns out were right ALL ALONG. Any one of you not seriously considering ways of joining a resistance is absolutely fooling themselves. Trump is about to end the American democracy. If left unchecked, the next four years will damage your country beyond the hope of repair. Join unions, left wing gun clubs, local initiatives and prepare to walk the walk, because "not going down easy" is about to get 100% real.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #100 on: November 22, 2024, 11:02:49 AM »
Are you serious? I just...I just told you that.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #101 on: November 22, 2024, 11:53:35 AM »
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I think it all depends on how far those who are in power attempt to push their facist agenda. I really don't see the American public going down easy with rolling back the civil liberties for which they've fought so hard.
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Maybe i’m high but you got me legit chuckling over here, homie!
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Yeah same. What planet have you been living on the last few years Ed? You mean civil liberties like Roe vs Wade? Like actual free speech? Like equal rights? Like an impartial justice system? All of these are gone already. You live in a country that is now censoring history books. ALL of the power branches of your government are about to be under Trump's control. What the fuck do you think is going to happen?!?!

Next BLM/MeToo like movement is gonna be hit by an army of Rittenhouses and nobodys gonna do a damn thing. Are you ready to defend or be among those standing up for what's right when crazed militias and cops will attack you in unison? When exactly is that point where the American people start "not going down easy"??? You are headed for the abyss and who of you is actually arming up to start doing the liberty-defending you're talking about?!

I haven't been following this and the pre-election thread closely but has there been any moment where you centrist moderate liberals with your arrogant know-it-all analyses bowed your heads in shame and acknowledged that you were dead fucking wrong? All I can see is the same people who were waxing all statesmanlike about how exactly  Kamala was beating Trump and employing perfect strategies, now going on in the same "rational" manner about a future that should do nothing but first humble you, scare you to death and then lead you to start adapting the more radical stances of the people you've been dismissing who turns out were right ALL ALONG. Any one of you not seriously considering ways of joining a resistance is absolutely fooling themselves. Trump is about to end the American democracy. If left unchecked, the next four years will damage your country beyond the hope of repair. Join unions, left wing gun clubs, local initiatives and prepare to walk the walk, because "not going down easy" is about to get 100% real.

Am I to believe you don't even live in the USA? How exactly do you think you know so much, as to PREDICT THE FUTURE OF THE USA? You are out of your fucking mind mate. This is the shit you're to scared to post on X, so you come to a fucking skateboard forum and post dumb ass hypothetical theories like this. Fucking sad really. Do you really think Kamala would've fixed all/any of this in 4 years? Hell no. She's just as bad as the rest of them.

We'll be just fine. As for you, go outside, look around, and start trying to fix the community that surrounds you for the better. Pretty please
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #102 on: November 22, 2024, 01:10:40 PM »
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I think it all depends on how far those who are in power attempt to push their facist agenda. I really don't see the American public going down easy with rolling back the civil liberties for which they've fought so hard.
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Maybe i’m high but you got me legit chuckling over here, homie!
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Yeah same. What planet have you been living on the last few years Ed? You mean civil liberties like Roe vs Wade? Like actual free speech? Like equal rights? Like an impartial justice system? All of these are gone already. You live in a country that is now censoring history books. ALL of the power branches of your government are about to be under Trump's control. What the fuck do you think is going to happen?!?!

Next BLM/MeToo like movement is gonna be hit by an army of Rittenhouses and nobodys gonna do a damn thing. Are you ready to defend or be among those standing up for what's right when crazed militias and cops will attack you in unison? When exactly is that point where the American people start "not going down easy"??? You are headed for the abyss and who of you is actually arming up to start doing the liberty-defending you're talking about?!

I haven't been following this and the pre-election thread closely but has there been any moment where you centrist moderate liberals with your arrogant know-it-all analyses bowed your heads in shame and acknowledged that you were dead fucking wrong? All I can see is the same people who were waxing all statesmanlike about how exactly  Kamala was beating Trump and employing perfect strategies, now going on in the same "rational" manner about a future that should do nothing but first humble you, scare you to death and then lead you to start adapting the more radical stances of the people you've been dismissing who turns out were right ALL ALONG. Any one of you not seriously considering ways of joining a resistance is absolutely fooling themselves. Trump is about to end the American democracy. If left unchecked, the next four years will damage your country beyond the hope of repair. Join unions, left wing gun clubs, local initiatives and prepare to walk the walk, because "not going down easy" is about to get 100% real.
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Am I to believe you don't even live in the USA? How exactly do you think you know so much, as to PREDICT THE FUTURE OF THE USA? You are out of your fucking mind mate. This is the shit you're to scared to post on X, so you come to a fucking skateboard forum and post dumb ass hypothetical theories like this. Fucking sad really. Do you really think Kamala would've fixed all/any of this in 4 years? Hell no. She's just as bad as the rest of them.

We'll be just fine. As for you, go outside, look around, and start trying to fix the community that surrounds you for the better. Pretty please
Dude you're an idiot, no really you must have been one of those jackholes that either didn't vote or put something stupid in your nominee box.  If you don't see the writing on the wall with history repeating itself than the blood that's going to be spilled by Nazis and other proud boys dolts is on your hands.

Don't bitch about anything if you didn't vote.   I voted and got the raw deal too, and everyone of us going to get the shaft.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #103 on: November 22, 2024, 02:36:25 PM »

here's a change, we all have the opportunity to rock just a little bit harder with these tacky shein guitars

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #104 on: November 22, 2024, 02:52:18 PM »

here's a change, we all have the opportunity to rock just a little bit harder with these tacky shein guitars

He looks like a body double of himself. Maybe it is. Dictators usually do that.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #105 on: November 22, 2024, 03:00:25 PM »

here's a change, we all have the opportunity to rock just a little bit harder with these tacky shein guitars
I've already watched a video on this from Guitar Tube. Basically, Gibson just served a Canadian luthier for making Vs and the question is if they will purse a C&D on what is obviously a Les Paul copy. Gibson also had a copyright dispute with Dean over Vs and Explorers reversed and the case will need to be retried. The question is if they are in a fighting mood.

Right now, I'm enjoying the nomination to ruination pipeline. Gaetz is fucked for now. Maybe nationally forever. I think Hegseth is about to get cut with the police report that was released yesterday. He's the guy that will for sure open fire on US citizens so I hope he has to crawl into the muskrat hole of the right wing streamer void with Michael Flynn and all the other radioactive Trump alumni.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #106 on: November 22, 2024, 03:00:53 PM »
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here's a change, we all have the opportunity to rock just a little bit harder with these tacky shein guitars
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He looks like a body double of himself. Maybe it is. Dictators usually do that.

Kimmel pointed out (bc there’s another event he did that made people question) that Trumps body double would be hilariously complementary to what Trump thinks he looks like not what he actually does

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #107 on: November 22, 2024, 03:32:01 PM »
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Yo homie, please know i was not trying to call you out or make fun of you. You know i like you 😁

I just don’t think those who would take to the streets in that sorta way will realize (ciz they havent already) whats being taken

No worries, IUTSM, I didn't take offense.

I think (fear) the reason we haven't seen a lot of demonstrating in the streets after this recent Trump win, like in 2016, is because the mood has changed.

And not necessarily out of complacency but, rather, a general feeling of unease, like what's at stake has graduated to a whole new level. One where the general American public kind of understands/expects that there will be a lot of fighting in the near future to do, so may as well save its strength for now.

In addition to all the violence since Trump first got into office (ppl getting run over and shot at demonstrations, January 6, proud boy militias planning to kidnap politicians, etc.), there were at least two assassination attempts during this latest campaign...and ppl were kind of cool with it, some even openly stating that they wouldn't have minded if one had been successful.

In my opinion, folks may have been conducting themselves in a relatively civil manner while Roe Vs. Wade was overturned, while  affirmative action was reversed, while [insert civil liberty reversion here] has been going on...but that has all been before the election.

There was hope that the country wouldn't actually go down this rabbit hole. Now the election has happened and the far right won and they got a lot of power and can make a lot of the agenda come true and last for a while. And that is demoralizing.

And I doubt ppl are just going to stand around while the country starts executing drug addicts, deporting our friends and neighbors, killing protesters, reinstituting segregation, etc.

Or maybe they will, I really don't know. But I doubt it.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #108 on: November 22, 2024, 05:44:16 PM »
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Yo homie, please know i was not trying to call you out or make fun of you. You know i like you 😁

I just don’t think those who would take to the streets in that sorta way will realize (ciz they havent already) whats being taken
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No worries, IUTSM, I didn't take offense.

I think (fear) the reason we haven't seen a lot of demonstrating in the streets after this recent Trump win, like in 2016, is because the mood has changed.

And not necessarily out of complacency but, rather, a general feeling of unease, like what's at stake has graduated to a whole new level. One where the general American public kind of understands/expects that there will be a lot of fighting in the near future to do, so may as well save its strength for now.

In addition to all the violence since Trump first got into office (ppl getting run over and shot at demonstrations, January 6, proud boy militias planning to kidnap politicians, etc.), there were at least two assassination attempts during this latest campaign...and ppl were kind of cool with it, some even openly stating that they wouldn't have minded if one had been successful.

In my opinion, folks may have been conducting themselves in a relatively civil manner while Roe Vs. Wade was overturned, while  affirmative action was reversed, while [insert civil liberty reversion here] has been going on...but that has all been before the election.

There was hope that the country wouldn't actually go down this rabbit hole. Now the election has happened and the far right won and they got a lot of power and can make a lot of the agenda come true and last for a while. And that is demoralizing.

And I doubt ppl are just going to stand around while the country starts executing drug addicts, deporting our friends and neighbors, killing protesters, reinstituting segregation, etc.

Or maybe they will, I really don't know. But I doubt it.
I'd imagine his deportation as the night of long knives where they rounded up Jews in the ghettos. I've got a few theories cooking btw...  To further add my grandma and aunt spoke about being kids whenever that went down. Much like Trump's wallet was supposed to be paid for by Mexico this coupe attempt at deportation will likely be paid for by us, and his golf trips etc...

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #109 on: November 22, 2024, 05:51:39 PM »
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I think it all depends on how far those who are in power attempt to push their facist agenda. I really don't see the American public going down easy with rolling back the civil liberties for which they've fought so hard.
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Maybe i’m high but you got me legit chuckling over here, homie!
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Yeah same. What planet have you been living on the last few years Ed? You mean civil liberties like Roe vs Wade? Like actual free speech? Like equal rights? Like an impartial justice system? All of these are gone already. You live in a country that is now censoring history books. ALL of the power branches of your government are about to be under Trump's control. What the fuck do you think is going to happen?!?!

Next BLM/MeToo like movement is gonna be hit by an army of Rittenhouses and nobodys gonna do a damn thing. Are you ready to defend or be among those standing up for what's right when crazed militias and cops will attack you in unison? When exactly is that point where the American people start "not going down easy"??? You are headed for the abyss and who of you is actually arming up to start doing the liberty-defending you're talking about?!

I haven't been following this and the pre-election thread closely but has there been any moment where you centrist moderate liberals with your arrogant know-it-all analyses bowed your heads in shame and acknowledged that you were dead fucking wrong? All I can see is the same people who were waxing all statesmanlike about how exactly  Kamala was beating Trump and employing perfect strategies, now going on in the same "rational" manner about a future that should do nothing but first humble you, scare you to death and then lead you to start adapting the more radical stances of the people you've been dismissing who turns out were right ALL ALONG. Any one of you not seriously considering ways of joining a resistance is absolutely fooling themselves. Trump is about to end the American democracy. If left unchecked, the next four years will damage your country beyond the hope of repair. Join unions, left wing gun clubs, local initiatives and prepare to walk the walk, because "not going down easy" is about to get 100% real.
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Am I to believe you don't even live in the USA? How exactly do you think you know so much, as to PREDICT THE FUTURE OF THE USA? You are out of your fucking mind mate. This is the shit you're to scared to post on X, so you come to a fucking skateboard forum and post dumb ass hypothetical theories like this. Fucking sad really. Do you really think Kamala would've fixed all/any of this in 4 years? Hell no. She's just as bad as the rest of them.

We'll be just fine. As for you, go outside, look around, and start trying to fix the community that surrounds you for the better. Pretty please
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Dude you're an idiot, no really you must have been one of those jackholes that either didn't vote or put something stupid in your nominee box.  If you don't see the writing on the wall with history repeating itself than the blood that's going to be spilled by Nazis and other proud boys dolts is on your hands.

Don't bitch about anything if you didn't vote.   I voted and got the raw deal too, and everyone of us going to get the shaft.

Fear mongering is a real thing. You're living in fear, and it must suck to be that weak.

Look around the world buddy, it's happening everywhere for a variety of reasons, and has been for thousands of years. The fact that you think Nazi's and proud boys are going to take over the USA and shed blood proves that you're an idiot. Stay pessimistic and angry playboy, you're one of them deep down inside.

also, I voted
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #110 on: November 22, 2024, 06:09:52 PM »
Things are going to be worse and better than anyone expects. We (right, left, indifferent) are all operating on assumptions of  what Trump and his cronies will be able to accomplish and how groups of people will react to these actions.

I think of the 90s when Clinton worked with Gingrich to reduce the number of people receiving welfare benefits by 50%. Democrats were absolutely dismayed as they assumed this meant a bunch of people would be completely fucked and Republicans thought this was going to be great and people were going to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and poverty would be alleviated because there were "no more incentives to be poor  ::) ."

The reality was that the number of people in poverty stayed the same and poverty got worse, but poor people have networks that they rely on that sort of cushioned the blow. Neither group's assumptions were perfect predictors of the future and to different degrees, neither fully understood the issue at hand.

Trump 2.0 is going to be the same. We all have decent predictions based on our interpretation of what reality is right now and how people will respond to this shit show, but it won't turn out exactly as we expect. I'm guessing this is going to suck and take us the wrong direction, but we had 4 years of putting the country first and the Build Back Better bill is going to start making an impact, congress is not 100% republican, Trump's team will trip over its own feet as these grifters argue with one another, and sometimes these idiots will do something that doesn't suck. It'll mostly suck but there will be moments when the broken clock tells the correct time.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #111 on: November 22, 2024, 07:03:52 PM »
Things are going to be worse and better than anyone expects. We (right, left, indifferent) are all operating on assumptions of  what Trump and his cronies will be able to accomplish and how groups of people will react to these actions.

I think of the 90s when Clinton worked with Gingrich to reduce the number of people receiving welfare benefits by 50%. Democrats were absolutely dismayed as they assumed this meant a bunch of people would be completely fucked and Republicans thought this was going to be great and people were going to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and poverty would be alleviated because there were "no more incentives to be poor  ::) ."

The reality was that the number of people in poverty stayed the same and poverty got worse, but poor people have networks that they rely on that sort of cushioned the blow. Neither group's assumptions were perfect predictors of the future and to different degrees, neither fully understood the issue at hand.

Trump 2.0 is going to be the same. We all have decent predictions based on our interpretation of what reality is right now and how people will respond to this shit show, but it won't turn out exactly as we expect. I'm guessing this is going to suck and take us the wrong direction, but we had 4 years of putting the country first and the Build Back Better bill is going to start making an impact, congress is not 100% republican, Trump's team will trip over its own feet as these grifters argue with one another, and sometimes these idiots will do something that doesn't suck. It'll mostly suck but there will be moments when the broken clock tells the correct time.


You nailed it - the good economic things will be vestiges of Biden’s good economic moves and the bad things will punish the democrat who gets elected who has to fix them and despite this being the norm for 100 years plus, voters will never get it.    (Sorry IUTSM in advance for the broad strokes, you always ding me on that)


I am nervous for the destruction of departments like education that maga ran on destroying.   Basically the ones that all the joke candidates are elected to run.   

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #112 on: November 23, 2024, 12:49:27 AM »
Things are going to be worse and better than anyone expects. We (right, left, indifferent) are all operating on assumptions of  what Trump and his cronies will be able to accomplish and how groups of people will react to these actions.

I think of the 90s when Clinton worked with Gingrich to reduce the number of people receiving welfare benefits by 50%. Democrats were absolutely dismayed as they assumed this meant a bunch of people would be completely fucked and Republicans thought this was going to be great and people were going to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and poverty would be alleviated because there were "no more incentives to be poor  ::) ."

The reality was that the number of people in poverty stayed the same and poverty got worse, but poor people have networks that they rely on that sort of cushioned the blow. Neither group's assumptions were perfect predictors of the future and to different degrees, neither fully understood the issue at hand.

Trump 2.0 is going to be the same. We all have decent predictions based on our interpretation of what reality is right now and how people will respond to this shit show, but it won't turn out exactly as we expect. I'm guessing this is going to suck and take us the wrong direction, but we had 4 years of putting the country first and the Build Back Better bill is going to start making an impact, congress is not 100% republican, Trump's team will trip over its own feet as these grifters argue with one another, and sometimes these idiots will do something that doesn't suck. It'll mostly suck but there will be moments when the broken clock tells the correct time.


It also further escalated numbers of prisoners. Prisons have basically taken over the role of the social state. It is mostly a place for poor people, the mentally illy, uneducated Latinos and African Americans. Basically those that in most other western states rely on some form of government support.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #113 on: November 23, 2024, 07:55:57 AM »
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I think it all depends on how far those who are in power attempt to push their facist agenda. I really don't see the American public going down easy with rolling back the civil liberties for which they've fought so hard.
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Maybe i’m high but you got me legit chuckling over here, homie!
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Yeah same. What planet have you been living on the last few years Ed? You mean civil liberties like Roe vs Wade? Like actual free speech? Like equal rights? Like an impartial justice system? All of these are gone already. You live in a country that is now censoring history books. ALL of the power branches of your government are about to be under Trump's control. What the fuck do you think is going to happen?!?!

Next BLM/MeToo like movement is gonna be hit by an army of Rittenhouses and nobodys gonna do a damn thing. Are you ready to defend or be among those standing up for what's right when crazed militias and cops will attack you in unison? When exactly is that point where the American people start "not going down easy"??? You are headed for the abyss and who of you is actually arming up to start doing the liberty-defending you're talking about?!

I haven't been following this and the pre-election thread closely but has there been any moment where you centrist moderate liberals with your arrogant know-it-all analyses bowed your heads in shame and acknowledged that you were dead fucking wrong? All I can see is the same people who were waxing all statesmanlike about how exactly  Kamala was beating Trump and employing perfect strategies, now going on in the same "rational" manner about a future that should do nothing but first humble you, scare you to death and then lead you to start adapting the more radical stances of the people you've been dismissing who turns out were right ALL ALONG. Any one of you not seriously considering ways of joining a resistance is absolutely fooling themselves. Trump is about to end the American democracy. If left unchecked, the next four years will damage your country beyond the hope of repair. Join unions, left wing gun clubs, local initiatives and prepare to walk the walk, because "not going down easy" is about to get 100% real.
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Am I to believe you don't even live in the USA? How exactly do you think you know so much, as to PREDICT THE FUTURE OF THE USA? You are out of your fucking mind mate. This is the shit you're to scared to post on X, so you come to a fucking skateboard forum and post dumb ass hypothetical theories like this. Fucking sad really. Do you really think Kamala would've fixed all/any of this in 4 years? Hell no. She's just as bad as the rest of them.

We'll be just fine. As for you, go outside, look around, and start trying to fix the community that surrounds you for the better. Pretty please
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Dude you're an idiot, no really you must have been one of those jackholes that either didn't vote or put something stupid in your nominee box.  If you don't see the writing on the wall with history repeating itself than the blood that's going to be spilled by Nazis and other proud boys dolts is on your hands.

Don't bitch about anything if you didn't vote.   I voted and got the raw deal too, and everyone of us going to get the shaft.
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Fear mongering is a real thing. You're living in fear, and it must suck to be that weak.

Look around the world buddy, it's happening everywhere for a variety of reasons, and has been for thousands of years. The fact that you think Nazi's and proud boys are going to take over the USA and shed blood proves that you're an idiot. Stay pessimistic and angry playboy, you're one of them deep down inside.

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Whoa whoa whoa there dork, Check your privileges for one thing jack, I guarantee if you were a person of color such as myself you'd have a different perspective.  In fact those that aren't white as well lgbtq+ have a larger target on their back. You say fear mongering and weakness,  that's been ingrained well before you and I existed once again check your fucking privilege. Fuck you for being that tone deaf to those around you who can screwed, must be Nice to have a smug attitude from where you can make these assumptions.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #114 on: November 23, 2024, 08:16:19 AM »
I'd imagine his deportation as the night of long knives where they rounded up Jews in the ghettos.

Sorry for the digression but I have to jump in here. The Night of the Long Knives took place in 1934, when Hitler neutralized the SA (the Nazi muscle/revolutionary/paramilitary org). The Night of Broken Glass happened in 1938 and was a series of pogroms where Jewish property, synagogues, etc. across Germany were plundered and destroyed. Hundreds of Jews were murdered and many more ended up in prison or camps, but most were released soon thereafter. Nazis created the ghettos a few years later later in occupied Eastern Europe, along with concentration and extermination camps. German Jews were sent to these places in order to hide the genocide from the German population (which wanted the Jews gone, but reacted negatively to seeing the violence against Jews play out in front of their eyes).
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #115 on: November 23, 2024, 09:30:33 AM »
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I'd imagine his deportation as the night of long knives where they rounded up Jews in the ghettos.
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Sorry for the digression but I have to jump in here. The Night of the Long Knives took place in 1934, when Hitler neutralized the SA (the Nazi muscle/revolutionary/paramilitary org). The Night of Broken Glass happened in 1938 and was a series of pogroms where Jewish property, synagogues, etc. across Germany were plundered and destroyed. Hundreds of Jews were murdered and many more ended up in prison or camps, but most were released soon thereafter. Nazis created the ghettos a few years later later in occupied Eastern Europe, along with concentration and extermination camps. German Jews were sent to these places in order to hide the genocide from the German population (which wanted the Jews gone, but reacted negatively to seeing the violence against Jews play out in front of their eyes).
Thanks for the correction, you get my point though, there's going to be a lot of disruption for migrants maybe not as bad as night of the broken glass but equally horrifying as well tragic.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #116 on: November 23, 2024, 10:36:44 AM »
I think the issue that is stopping most people from engaging in any mass movement is that people under 50 don't think anything good is gonna happen in their life. There was mass mobilization around BLM, the women's march, pro Palestinian protests, and what did we get in response?
 In 2020 the DNC rallied around an ancient politician who was anti bussing and has been on the wrong side of every major political issue in his career over a candidate that had a groundswell of popular support from their base. The BLM protests were co-opted and then buried with no major changes to policing enacted. Obama failed to codify Roe, then after he helped clear the field to give Hillary the nom, the dems eat shit, then trump's supreme court nominees overturn roe v wade. Then in 2024 the majority of Americans are rightfully horrified by the genocide in gaza and mobilize, most of it occurring on college campuses. The democratic administration responds by siccing cops on them and beating them, arresting them and censoring free speech. Then that ancient unpopular president had to be forced out of the contest because it was blatantly clear that he was too fucking old to continue, they rally around his vp who didn't even get to early state voting in the primary because she was so unpopular. She fails to separate herself at all from the current administration that, despite how much people say "the economy is so strong and good!", most people are making less and the cost for everything has gone up significantly. All of this creates a perfect storm to convince millions of people to just not vote this year because to them, things are only going to get worse. The most craven and awful people in our culture and government get to wreak havoc and the opposition barely has an appetite to even pretend they're going to overturn what trump did, let alone lay out a new direction or inspire hope.

This is the main obstacle to anyone hitting the streets in any major numbers. Things are going to have to get significantly worse for a lot of people before anyone is driven to get up and fight. I'm not holding my breath


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #117 on: November 23, 2024, 12:19:34 PM »
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #118 on: November 23, 2024, 12:44:09 PM »
I think the issue that is stopping most people from engaging in any mass movement is that people under 50 don't think anything good is gonna happen in their life. There was mass mobilization around BLM, the women's march, pro Palestinian protests, and what did we get in response?
 In 2020 the DNC rallied around an ancient politician who was anti bussing and has been on the wrong side of every major political issue in his career over a candidate that had a groundswell of popular support from their base. The BLM protests were co-opted and then buried with no major changes to policing enacted. Obama failed to codify Roe, then after he helped clear the field to give Hillary the nom, the dems eat shit, then trump's supreme court nominees overturn roe v wade. Then in 2024 the majority of Americans are rightfully horrified by the genocide in gaza and mobilize, most of it occurring on college campuses. The democratic administration responds by siccing cops on them and beating them, arresting them and censoring free speech. Then that ancient unpopular president had to be forced out of the contest because it was blatantly clear that he was too fucking old to continue, they rally around his vp who didn't even get to early state voting in the primary because she was so unpopular. She fails to separate herself at all from the current administration that, despite how much people say "the economy is so strong and good!", most people are making less and the cost for everything has gone up significantly. All of this creates a perfect storm to convince millions of people to just not vote this year because to them, things are only going to get worse. The most craven and awful people in our culture and government get to wreak havoc and the opposition barely has an appetite to even pretend they're going to overturn what trump did, let alone lay out a new direction or inspire hope.

This is the main obstacle to anyone hitting the streets in any major numbers. Things are going to have to get significantly worse for a lot of people before anyone is driven to get up and fight. I'm not holding my breath
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #119 on: November 23, 2024, 02:12:02 PM »
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I think the issue that is stopping most people from engaging in any mass movement is that people under 50 don't think anything good is gonna happen in their life. There was mass mobilization around BLM, the women's march, pro Palestinian protests, and what did we get in response?
 In 2020 the DNC rallied around an ancient politician who was anti bussing and has been on the wrong side of every major political issue in his career over a candidate that had a groundswell of popular support from their base. The BLM protests were co-opted and then buried with no major changes to policing enacted. Obama failed to codify Roe, then after he helped clear the field to give Hillary the nom, the dems eat shit, then trump's supreme court nominees overturn roe v wade. Then in 2024 the majority of Americans are rightfully horrified by the genocide in gaza and mobilize, most of it occurring on college campuses. The democratic administration responds by siccing cops on them and beating them, arresting them and censoring free speech. Then that ancient unpopular president had to be forced out of the contest because it was blatantly clear that he was too fucking old to continue, they rally around his vp who didn't even get to early state voting in the primary because she was so unpopular. She fails to separate herself at all from the current administration that, despite how much people say "the economy is so strong and good!", most people are making less and the cost for everything has gone up significantly. All of this creates a perfect storm to convince millions of people to just not vote this year because to them, things are only going to get worse. The most craven and awful people in our culture and government get to wreak havoc and the opposition barely has an appetite to even pretend they're going to overturn what trump did, let alone lay out a new direction or inspire hope.

This is the main obstacle to anyone hitting the streets in any major numbers. Things are going to have to get significantly worse for a lot of people before anyone is driven to get up and fight. I'm not holding my breath
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Bernie Sanders said, "It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.

While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change.

And they’re right."

Whatever your thoughts on Bernie are, I think this statement holds some truth. Both parties are right leaning and there was some point in the past where working class, middle American's felt the the Democratic party supported them more than the Republican party. The Republican side didn't like Trump at first either but for their demographic, it's a lot easier to just fall in line with his rhetoric and continue to line their pockets.

The Democrat side has a much more diverse group to convince - LGBTQ+, minorities, women, etc... - and seem to have failed to realize that they're somehow starting to lose ground there, just don't care, or are merging with the other side. I think part of the reason people went for Trump is just because wasn't a politician. His rise to power and events around it pointed out the utter ridiculousness of the system. People voted for him as a joke, some in protest, and some people actually turned to his side.

I think Bernie had some hype around him, same as Trump. A lot of people were really bummed to find out what really happened with him along with the DNC scandal. He was saying the healthcare, military industrial complex, pharmaceutical, and education system need to change amongst other things. Corporate America, rampant capitalism,  and the top 1% were mostly to blame.  Neither party wants someone who's going to actually try and represent the middle class and isn't also in the pocket of the top 1%. The top 1% definitely didn't want that.

Trump gave people someone to blame. The democrats, immigrants, China, the "woke", etc... However misguided, sometimes people just want someone to blame and he gave that to them.

Even the "you have a responsibility to vote for the lesser evil" argument - I think a lot of people just didn't care anymore. Neither side is going to actually do anything for the middle class. If you vote for the lesser evil, you're always going in the direction of evil. You're eventually going to end up somewhere like this. All the blame and finger pointing just continued to divide people even more.

I do think this generation is probably the most progressive ever. It'll take these people getting into politics and replacing the people there now. However, there's surely an awful lot of gate keeping and the current turds will be there until they die.