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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #420 on: February 03, 2025, 05:34:13 PM »
I'm kinda confused as to why we in Europe always hear about Americans needing weapons to defend the republic. Yet I don't see any militia reacting to the fact that a crazy billionaire is dismantling your state and gaining access he shouldn't have. Are those guns just for show? Then you might as well ban them, because they are pretty dangerous toys.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #421 on: February 03, 2025, 05:52:48 PM »
I'm kinda confused as to why we in Europe always hear about Americans needing weapons to defend the republic. Yet I don't see any militia reacting to the fact that a crazy billionaire is dismantling your state and gaining access he shouldn't have. Are those guns just for show? Then you might as well ban them, because they are pretty dangerous toys.


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #422 on: February 03, 2025, 06:12:03 PM »
I'm kinda confused as to why we in Europe always hear about Americans needing weapons to defend the republic. Yet I don't see any militia reacting to the fact that a crazy billionaire is dismantling your state and gaining access he shouldn't have. Are those guns just for show? Then you might as well ban them, because they are pretty dangerous toys.

Because this is what those folks want to happen.  They don’t care about the constitution, they’re care about getting what they want.

And those guns aren’t to defend the republic.  They hate the republic.  Those guns are for other things.  Might be a good time to get one yourself and learn how to use it.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #423 on: February 03, 2025, 06:32:29 PM »
Musk is trying to prosecute people for naming those helping his very stupid DOGE effort.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/musk-trump-prosecutor-identities-doge-staff-1235255556/
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-government-young-engineers/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/doge-musketeers-secret-team-elon-221351736.html

The people who have been named are:
Akash Bobba,
Edward Coristine,
Luke Farritor,
Gautier Cole Killian,
Gavin Kliger,
and Ethan Shaotran.

I don't know what America will look like in 4 years, but, even though Trump has immunity for his crimes as president, others, especially those in a non-government department pretending to be a government department, do not have immunity. From Musk to Patel to the rest of grifters, I'm hoping the next president and congress are documenting everything today, so we can see swift justice in 2029. No more slow walking cases like last time.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #425 on: February 03, 2025, 08:53:19 PM »
A nation of morons in the making
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-advisers-weigh-plan-dismantle-department-education-wsj-reports-2025-02-03/

This is a huge issue for me as well as tens of millions of Americans. I am waiting for the shoe to drop, but you can expect a huge public demonstration of educators and special educators if they mess with the DOE. HUGE demonstration. The war on public educators and special educators has been ridiculous and we will not tolerate it. Good fucking luck selling the public on why removing services for students with significant disabilities is an appropriate course of action unless he goes the eugenics route. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he did at this point.  If he chooses that route and people support him, I will lose my shit.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #426 on: February 03, 2025, 08:53:40 PM »
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #427 on: February 03, 2025, 09:16:10 PM »
I refuse to pay for cable/TV, so I had no idea that today people were demonstrating. Many of my students were absent, to the degree where I started to figure out something was going on. I went to the person who keeps track of student attendance. She said the student absence rate was roughly 4X average. I didn't even ask the administration how many teachers/aids were out.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #428 on: February 03, 2025, 09:21:04 PM »
As a parent, I don’t see the removal of the department of education as a big deal. If anything I see it as a bonus of less indoctrination on my kid.

There will still be schools (funded by the state tax payer dollars). And from my understanding if the doe is removed (please correct me if I’m wrong) there will still be federal funding in the form of vouchers. So on a state by state basis, you can choose based on your needs whether it be public or private.

From a highly involved parents perspective, this a win-win. If I like my public school I can go that route. If it’s performing poorly, the voucher can go towards private or special needs based.

I can’t believe that I’m alone in my experience that the public education system sucks and it seems like the more we spend doesn’t seem to help. And on another personal note, I volunteered at my kids public school (the best we could find in our area) from kindergarten through 3rd grade (until Covid effed things up) and one of the secretaries told me “it’s so great that you do this (volunteer). Everyone raves about the school but we have the same state requirements everyone else does… it’s parents like you that make a difference.”

Now I’m not trying to sound holier than thou, but it’s the truth. If our society wants smart respectable kids it comes down to the parents. Relying on the federal government will get us to….. well where we are.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #429 on: February 03, 2025, 09:33:30 PM »
I am glad to hear that you had a positive experience. The state voucher system takes taxpayer funds and sends them to private schools. Private schools do not, most often, serve students with disabilities and especially those with significant disabilities. The IDEA was enacted for a reason and we are at the precipice of substantially undermining the quality of education of students with disabilities. Point. Blank. Period.

EDIT: The I.D.E.A. has NEVER BEEN FULLY FUNDED. Fun fact.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #430 on: February 03, 2025, 09:38:13 PM »
I also want to say that your experience as a parent that the school experience has sucked regardless of funding is not 100% valid. Public education has been underfunded for decades. DECADES. DECADES!
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #431 on: February 03, 2025, 09:42:14 PM »
As a parent, I don’t see the removal of the department of education as a big deal. If anything I see it as a bonus of less indoctrination on my kid.

There will still be schools (funded by the state tax payer dollars). And from my understanding if the doe is removed (please correct me if I’m wrong) there will still be federal funding in the form of vouchers. So on a state by state basis, you can choose based on your needs whether it be public or private.

From a highly involved parents perspective, this a win-win. If I like my public school I can go that route. If it’s performing poorly, the voucher can go towards private or special needs based.

I can’t believe that I’m alone in my experience that the public education system sucks and it seems like the more we spend doesn’t seem to help. And on another personal note, I volunteered at my kids public school (the best we could find in our area) from kindergarten through 3rd grade (until Covid effed things up) and one of the secretaries told me “it’s so great that you do this (volunteer). Everyone raves about the school but we have the same state requirements everyone else does… it’s parents like you that make a difference.”

Now I’m not trying to sound holier than thou, but it’s the truth. If our society wants smart respectable kids it comes down to the parents. Relying on the federal government will get us to….. well where we are.

I appreciate your insight and thank you for sharing. As a person that has been a part of public education from K-12 through college students, the DOE is important.

Students who require special ed are not served by the voucher system. Point blank period.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #432 on: February 03, 2025, 10:18:45 PM »
I see that you're very passionate and I respect that. I'm here to learn and not push anyone over the edge or argue partisan politics. That being said, I guess what makes me so nonchalant about removing the DOE is that the US spends so much more on a per pupil basis but that money spent is not getting the results I'd expect.

According to this link, we spend much higher per pupil than many other nations:
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd/education-expenditures-by-country#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20the%20United%20States,in%20constant%202021%20U.S.%20dollars).

But the money spent does not equal higher results:
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=1

Am I misreading those statistics? I'm by no means an expert but over the past 15 years I keep seeing stats like those. More money dumped in with mediocre results. Again, from my perspective this is more about a cultural/family/parenting issue than a government spending issue. When individuals rely on the government to raise your kids, no amount of money will do the job. Lets say that I was in a different situation, I think I'd like the opportunity to use the voucher system for a private school to avoid my public offerings. I'm also hesitant to think that no state would not offer special needs assistance... am I naive in this assessment?




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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #433 on: February 03, 2025, 11:41:15 PM »
From my understanding, private schools and charters and religious schools and vouchers are just white flight and redlining and racism and disability-discriminating under the guise of education. Taxpayer funded, without accountability to taxpayers as to what is being learned.

America may not see quality results for what we are paying per pupil but the cost is not to blame so much as the “let’s deregulate everything republicans” and their intent to punish the poor.

Private schools are about test scores & college placements. They are not about ensuring ALL students have equal access to a proper education. They are inherently discriminatory.

You think it’s a coincidence that the party banning and burning books in the present day is also the one looking to eliminate the Department of Education before the body of the president who signed it into existence is even that cold??

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #434 on: February 04, 2025, 12:15:54 AM »
These fucking tariffs.

While still hanging over Canada's head, I don't get the fucking point. Trump got Canada to appoint a “fentanyl czar” and agree to launch a joint strike force to combat organized crime and money laundering. I'm pretty fucking sure, the USA could get Canada to do this with a friendly phone call. Other than to jerk off to other people's stress and make America look like shit, what was the fucking point?

I hope Canada is telling its businesses to look elsewhere for trading partners. I hope Canada bulks up their ports and stops looking south for any sort of partnership.
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Arizona has the biggest voucher program in the USA and the results are interesting. Charter schools dominate the list of best schools in the state, but they primarily seem to help those who were already doing fine.

The vouchers seem to be primarily subsidizing (wealthy) people who were already sending their kids to private schools. A 7K voucher towards a private school that costs 14K, leaves a 7K gap a lot of families can't fill. And, when vouchers are available, the schools often raise their prices. 

Private schools don't have to bus students around. It is a lot easier to get to school when the local high school offers to pick you up than it is when you need to get their yourself.

This all adds up to the higher the income the more likely a family is to use a voucher.
https://www.propublica.org/article/arizona-school-vouchers-esa-private-schools#:~:text=A%20typical%20voucher%20from%20Arizona's,tuition%20and%20fees%2C%20ProPublica%20found.

The vouchers are a strain on the state's budget. In AZ, self-sufficient neighborhoods pay for school via local property taxes, the state only steps in areas that aren't self-sufficient. This means places like Scottsdale (a wealthy suburb) would get no help from the state, but when a wealthy parent takes their kid out of the school and uses a voucher, the state now has to foot the bill.
https://www.propublica.org/article/arizona-school-vouchers-budget-meltdown

Not to mention, we as a society lose insight into whats going on in the schools. Private schools don't need make their performance metrics public.

Vouchers can be used an unaccredited schools. There is the issue of tax payer money going to religious institutions. This feels like a backdoor into further pushing religion via public money. And, the issue of grift and lack of accountability is scary.

American public schools have improvements that need to be made, and they can't undo all the problems someone faces at home. But, they can probably do better than a "school" in a shopping mall that no one is checking in on, doesn't provide transportation, doesn't provide lunches to poor kids, and doesn't have certified teachers.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #435 on: February 04, 2025, 12:38:58 AM »
Trump/Rubio Looking to Outsource Rural Jobs: Prisons
Interesting, El Salvador has offered to take in non-citizen and citizen prisoners for a fee. Rural white counties have lobbied to have prisons developed in their areas for decades as they are a steady source of income and jobs. Two weeks into office and Rubio and Trump are already part of the globalist cabal looking to outsource hard working American jobs.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #436 on: February 04, 2025, 01:47:25 AM »
From my understanding, private schools and charters and religious schools and vouchers are just white flight and redlining and racism and disability-discriminating under the guise of education. Taxpayer funded, without accountability to taxpayers as to what is being learned.

America may not see quality results for what we are paying per pupil but the cost is not to blame so much as the “let’s deregulate everything republicans” and their intent to punish the poor.

Private schools are about test scores & college placements. They are not about ensuring ALL students have equal access to a proper education. They are inherently discriminatory.

You think it’s a coincidence that the party banning and burning books in the present day is also the one looking to eliminate the Department of Education before the body of the president who signed it into existence is even that cold??

From an average parent (I'm a mutt), I don't get the 'white flight, redlining, racism' perspective in 2025.  If my kid is in an environment that is not conducive to learning, (bad/lazy/uninspired teachers, no parent involvement, rowdy kids, etc) I would change school or home school immediately (regardless of school demographics). Children need to have respect & discipline in their life in order to successfully learn, this happens at home and at school. Some (most?) parents don't really care or think about this aspect and leave it in the hands of the government (not ideal). Growing up in the 80's and 90's I got the impression that most of my skate friends had parents like this... and they didn't turn out too well... some went to prison and some are dead (i'm sure everyone has similar unfortunate experiences).

There are definitely poor families of all races and economic backgrounds that raise well balanced children and I completely understand parents moving their kids to a school with a more structured environment. Why not give them the option of vouchers?

That being said, strictly moving away from a good school because they 'don't like those people' is a different story that I'm not familiar with. Maybe its because I'm in CA and in a diverse environment but I don't know anyone that wants to 'punish' the poor or other races or those with disabilities, and I doubt that that's the goal for eliminating the doe.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #437 on: February 04, 2025, 02:19:42 AM »
Thank you for your input.

Arizona has the biggest voucher program in the USA and the results are interesting. Charter schools dominate the list of best schools in the state, but they primarily seem to help those who were already doing fine.

The vouchers seem to be primarily subsidizing (wealthy) people who were already sending their kids to private schools. A 7K voucher towards a private school that costs 14K, leaves a 7K gap a lot of families can't fill. And, when vouchers are available, the schools often raise their prices. 

Private schools don't have to bus students around. It is a lot easier to get to school when the local high school offers to pick you up than it is when you need to get their yourself.

This all adds up to the higher the income the more likely a family is to use a voucher.
https://www.propublica.org/article/arizona-school-vouchers-esa-private-schools#:~:text=A%20typical%20voucher%20from%20Arizona's,tuition%20and%20fees%2C%20ProPublica%20found.

The vouchers are a strain on the state's budget. In AZ, self-sufficient neighborhoods pay for school via local property taxes, the state only steps in areas that aren't self-sufficient. This means places like Scottsdale (a wealthy suburb) would get no help from the state, but when a wealthy parent takes their kid out of the school and uses a voucher, the state now has to foot the bill.
https://www.propublica.org/article/arizona-school-vouchers-budget-meltdown

Not to mention, we as a society lose insight into whats going on in the schools. Private schools don't need make their performance metrics public.

Vouchers can be used an unaccredited schools. There is the issue of tax payer money going to religious institutions. This feels like a backdoor into further pushing religion via public money. And, the issue of grift and lack of accountability is scary.

American public schools have improvements that need to be made, and they can't undo all the problems someone faces at home. But, they can probably do better than a "school" in a shopping mall that no one is checking in on, doesn't provide transportation, doesn't provide lunches to poor kids, and doesn't have certified teachers.


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #438 on: February 04, 2025, 02:42:53 AM »
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #439 on: February 04, 2025, 05:57:15 AM »
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #440 on: February 04, 2025, 06:51:35 AM »

This is a huge issue for me as well as tens of millions of Americans. I am waiting for the shoe to drop, but you can expect a huge public demonstration of educators and special educators if they mess with the DOE. HUGE demonstration. The war on public educators and special educators has been ridiculous and we will not tolerate it. Good fucking luck selling the public on why removing services for students with significant disabilities is an appropriate course of action unless he goes the eugenics route. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he did at this point.  If he chooses that route and people support him, I will lose my shit.

This happened long ago.

Many public colleges and universities were tuition-free in the US until the late 20th century. In the 1980’s and beyond the "right" began pushing to cut support for public higher education and anything else that benefited the mass of people. These "right" people came from upper income groups who wanted to cut their taxes, take home more money, and pad their already sizeable bank accounts. Sound familiar?

I mean, "we" let universities go from public/tuition free to costing 10's of 1000's of dollars per year. It seems like these people maybe once thought it was beneficial for you to have a high school education before going to the factory, now they want you straight in the factory. I think the education system is already one of the worst things about the US - that and healthcare.

Unfortunately it seems like the mindset is, "I don't want to pay for your education, I don't want to pay for your healthcare". So instead we pay the billionaires who own these institutions. Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to see people not tolerate these things and them be reformed.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #441 on: February 04, 2025, 07:39:01 AM »

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #442 on: February 04, 2025, 10:23:16 AM »
As a parent, I don’t see the removal of the department of education as a big deal. If anything I see it as a bonus of less indoctrination on my kid...

You seem well-intentioned. Can you describe the indoctrination you're talking about? Do you have examples of your kids being indoctrinated?

Also, do you see any irony in using DOE data in the ability to make your arguments?

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #443 on: February 04, 2025, 11:49:00 AM »
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #444 on: February 04, 2025, 12:11:18 PM »
I'm also hesitant to think that no state would not offer special needs assistance... am I naive in this assessment?

Been working in special education for the past 7 years as an occupational therapist. The short answer to your question is: yes

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #445 on: February 04, 2025, 01:54:18 PM »
I'll be god-damned if the American public school system is going to indoctrinate my kids about subjects that have no place being discussed in the classroom, like U.S. slavery, Japanese-American internment camps and Native American genocide.

Whooooa there... easy big fella. I mean indoctrinated into low standards, each kid just another $15k brick in the wall just to meet the lowest expectations.

With all the federal red tape it seems like the doe has been a failed project. I would like to see teachers have more freedom (obviously with discretion from the local PTA).

There's been quite a few times at parent teacher conferences where teachers are consistently saying things like "we're only doing this to satisfy regulations" (especially in regards to common core math). Aiming everyone to be just at the bare minimum. I mean the report cards in elementary didn't even allow the teachers to grade at "above average" when a student was absolutely crushing it in a subject. They grade like this so that the next semester of reporting they can up it a notch in order to show "improvement over time' to pad the districts reporting metrics. Why not acknowledge these things when they happen and move the kids killing it to the next threshold. It seems like no child left behind has had the consequences of everyone trailing behind. These are the types of things I don't like and prevent me from having the doom and gloom perspective that some may have. And I can't relate to Mr. Lawndale's post in the slightest (although it did give me a chuckle).

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #446 on: February 04, 2025, 02:54:35 PM »
Do you know what the word "indoctrinate" means?

You should take more care in using terms like that when discussing the public school system, because while you are clearly aligning yourself with its detractors, your misuse of that word makes it seem for very different reasons.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #447 on: February 04, 2025, 03:21:27 PM »
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headline: Trump proposes permanent displacement of Gazans with Netanyahu at White House

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-netanyahu-set-pivotal-talks-middle-east-agenda-2025-02-04/
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #448 on: February 04, 2025, 03:23:20 PM »
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I’ve been lurking through this thread here and there. Is there anybody in this whole thread that’s pro trump?

I’m definitely not but I’m a little surprised it seems there is no one here riding trumps dick.
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Yeah, this guy

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You are a such a tool. I think you need to stop watching the news, it's poising your head.

Also,
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I forgot you exist.
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What makes this even more gratifying, is that you're dead wrong. i'm not a supporter in any way. i just think you're a kook and you need to be reminded of that on a skateboard forum
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whatever you say, Mr. Trump supporter.
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I keep a list of quotes in my phone, and you fit this one perfectly:

"A man who thinks he's enlightened, is merely a shadow"

As a skateboarder, who comes here to read about skateboarding, it's sad to see the majority of your posts are about politics. And you don't hold back on which way, and anyone who opposes you are called names and treated as lesser. Do better shadow boy

First off, I don't care what you think.

Second: "As a skateboarder, who comes here to read about skateboarding, it's sad to see the majority of your posts are about politics"

My guy you're in a political topic in a skateboarding forum. If you don't want to read about opinions on politics, then why are you in this thread? Stay out of it or click the "ignore" button under my name.

Good job Mr Trump Supporter.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #449 on: February 04, 2025, 03:44:43 PM »
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headline: Trump proposes permanent displacement of Gazans with Netanyahu at White House

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-netanyahu-set-pivotal-talks-middle-east-agenda-2025-02-04/

Thanks for sharing this. ✌️