Changes under Trump 2.0

[Enrico Pallazzo]

Is Tucker Carlson upset about Israel attacking Iran cause Russia is a key supporter of Iran? Is Russia paying him to be upset?

How did our favorite skateboarding moopet respond?

Israel v Iran: This could actually be a big win for the Trump admin. Iran is not a great nation-state and their repression of their people sucks. Seeing this regime change to something moderate would be great. However, I wonder if moderate would be allowed. There will be quite the power struggle between the USA and the regional powers for installing a government of their choice. I wonder who within the country each power will support or who each power will encourage to return to take over.

I wonder the Iranian Oil Company would be allowed to stay in place and if they country would be allowed to have a national oil company. I have a feeling Goldman Sachs/Exxon be in charge of the country and all its resources. But, Lukoil, Rosneft, and VTB are not going to like that.

I wonder what the country's relationship with Saudi looks like after.

Israel's and Netanyahu's ego would be out of control. And Saudi Arabia not having a strong regional power pushing back would suck. They have more power than they should already.

This might deserve its own thread, but I've got a bridge to sell anybody who believes that the goal of this offensive in Iran is regime change to a moderate government. Israel's goal is nothing more than to destabilize and decimate Iran, and ideally use the US to do its dirty work and create another "democracy success story" like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.

My in-laws are Iranian expats, and I think in the Persian diaspora there's this underlying thought of "if we can just get X, Y, and Z to happen, the people will rise up and things will go back to a prosperous Western, pre-revolution Iran". My heart breaks at the thought of them being unable to return to their country, I can't imagine the feeling (well, now I'm starting to get it) of watching your country be taken over by religious fundamentalists and having to flee. But it's just a step too far to imagine Israel or the US's actions as being altruistic in any way. I see no goal of liberating the Iranian people, but rather subjugation and dehumanization in a different form while their country gets strip-mined for every last resource.

[S.]

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Is Tucker Carlson upset about Israel attacking Iran cause Russia is a key supporter of Iran? Is Russia paying him to be upset?

How did our favorite skateboarding moopet respond?

Israel v Iran: This could actually be a big win for the Trump admin. Iran is not a great nation-state and their repression of their people sucks. Seeing this regime change to something moderate would be great. However, I wonder if moderate would be allowed. There will be quite the power struggle between the USA and the regional powers for installing a government of their choice. I wonder who within the country each power will support or who each power will encourage to return to take over.

I wonder the Iranian Oil Company would be allowed to stay in place and if they country would be allowed to have a national oil company. I have a feeling Goldman Sachs/Exxon be in charge of the country and all its resources. But, Lukoil, Rosneft, and VTB are not going to like that.

I wonder what the country's relationship with Saudi looks like after.

Israel's and Netanyahu's ego would be out of control. And Saudi Arabia not having a strong regional power pushing back would suck. They have more power than they should already.

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This might deserve its own thread, but I've got a bridge to sell anybody who believes that the goal of this offensive in Iran is regime change to a moderate government. Israel's goal is nothing more than to destabilize and decimate Iran, and ideally use the US to do its dirty work and create another "democracy success story" like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.

My in-laws are Iranian expats, and I think in the Persian diaspora there's this underlying thought of "if we can just get X, Y, and Z to happen, the people will rise up and things will go back to a prosperous Western, pre-revolution Iran". My heart breaks at the thought of them being unable to return to their country, I can't imagine the feeling (well, now I'm starting to get it) of watching your country be taken over by religious fundamentalists and having to flee. But it's just a step too far to imagine Israel or the US's actions as being altruistic in any way. I see no goal of liberating the Iranian people, but rather subjugation and dehumanization in a different form while their country gets strip-mined for every last resource.

Yes. If anything the attacks strengthen the regime. If you live in Iran they are the ones you have to rely on now to protect you against the Isreali assault.

[neonbrown]

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Is Tucker Carlson upset about Israel attacking Iran cause Russia is a key supporter of Iran? Is Russia paying him to be upset?

How did our favorite skateboarding moopet respond?

Israel v Iran: This could actually be a big win for the Trump admin. Iran is not a great nation-state and their repression of their people sucks. Seeing this regime change to something moderate would be great. However, I wonder if moderate would be allowed. There will be quite the power struggle between the USA and the regional powers for installing a government of their choice. I wonder who within the country each power will support or who each power will encourage to return to take over.

I wonder the Iranian Oil Company would be allowed to stay in place and if they country would be allowed to have a national oil company. I have a feeling Goldman Sachs/Exxon be in charge of the country and all its resources. But, Lukoil, Rosneft, and VTB are not going to like that.

I wonder what the country's relationship with Saudi looks like after.

Israel's and Netanyahu's ego would be out of control. And Saudi Arabia not having a strong regional power pushing back would suck. They have more power than they should already.

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This might deserve its own thread, but I've got a bridge to sell anybody who believes that the goal of this offensive in Iran is regime change to a moderate government. Israel's goal is nothing more than to destabilize and decimate Iran, and ideally use the US to do its dirty work and create another "democracy success story" like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.

My in-laws are Iranian expats, and I think in the Persian diaspora there's this underlying thought of "if we can just get X, Y, and Z to happen, the people will rise up and things will go back to a prosperous Western, pre-revolution Iran". My heart breaks at the thought of them being unable to return to their country, I can't imagine the feeling (well, now I'm starting to get it) of watching your country be taken over by religious fundamentalists and having to flee. But it's just a step too far to imagine Israel or the US's actions as being altruistic in any way. I see no goal of liberating the Iranian people, but rather subjugation and dehumanization in a different form while their country gets strip-mined for every last resource.

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Yes. If anything the attacks strengthen the regime. If you live in Iran they are the ones you have to rely on now to protect you against the Isreali assault.

Nah, we are just a few more MOABs away from turning Tehran into suburban Dallas.

[stets]

I just got laid off yesterday, thanks in no small part to Trump's idiotic trade war. My former employer manufactures their goods in China and Vietnam. I am 100% confident that if Trump hadn't have been reelected, I would still be employed and the company would be doing much better.

Catching strays from a misguided egomaniac's pissing match of a trade war.

[Rusty Shackleford]

so much for controlling the unsustainable growth of the $36 trillion national debt. enrich the defense contractors, lower the taxes on the rich, and the rest of us can finance this for years to come. plus all of the oil that goes through their strait of hormuz, prices could go up up up

[Top-Heavy Hookjaw]

I just got laid off yesterday, thanks in no small part to Trump's idiotic trade war. My former employer manufactures their goods in China and Vietnam. I am 100% confident that if Trump hadn't have been reelected, I would still be employed and the company would be doing much better.

Catching strays from a misguided egomaniac's pissing match of a trade war.

I’m sorry to hear that. It sucks.

How about that new “endless war in the Middle East” that we got into this weekend?
USA = Israel’s bitch

[neonbrown]

At this point, I think it's probably useful if we think of MAGA as a doomsday cult, interlocked with Israel in a murder-suicide pact.

[JakeBeskatin]

Big Daddy Trump went and dropped some big joints on Iran and their nuclear research stations.
Im a convicted felon, so Im prolly not gonna get drafted into the war that’s about to happen.

[TheLurper]

So, far this is an easy win for Netanyahu and Trump. Netanyahu forced Trump's hand, but gave him an easy and visible win.

Also, interesting that Russia has hung Iran out to dry. If we hadn't supported Ukraine, it seems likely that Russia would have the ability to do more than say, "lol, Israel has Russian speakers. Good luck Iran. Thanks for the drones though. Byeeeee." I wonder if any conservative anti-Ukraine critics will put 2+2 together on this one. Probably not.

I have no idea how this plays out. Israel can't easily occupy the huge territory of Iran like it can Gaza or the West Bank. If Iran collapses, who comes in to fill the void? What happens when this repressive and shitty, but stable government between Iraq and Afghanistan comes tumbling down? Does it get worse? Do we get another puppet regime? I don't think the Trump admin will be willing to occupy the country and try nation building again, so who is going to do it?

If the current government hangs on, how does it change? More aggressive? Less aggressive? What will happen to the people of Iran? What kind of shit can we expect from Israel as it continues its military wins? Some of these "wins" are against starving people begging for food, but embarrassing Iran is a real win.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-faces-man-made-drought-water-systems-collapse-unicef-says-2025-06-20/#:~:text=In%20recent%20weeks%2C%20Israeli%20forces,combat%20zones%20to%20access%20food.

[alien porkchop]

At this point, I think it's probably useful if we think of MAGA as a doomsday cult, interlocked with Israel in a murder-suicide pact.

full doomsday cult. a ton of these people are millennialist zealots.

[Atiba Applebum]

Anyone catch the four civilian tech execs sworn in as lieutenant colonels?

[TastyBurrito]

Anyone catch the four civilian tech execs sworn in as lieutenant colonels?

Saw that. The “DEI hire” crowd was very quiet.

[Unkle Fleak]

They know they grow more and more unpopular by the day.

They want our kids to die cuz conservative values are all but dead

[GnarAlarm]

I have this awful vision of a retaliatory terrorist(?) attack on US soil (real or manufactured) and the administration immediately using it to call for martial law, full lockdown of borders, freeze all elections, I dunno, maybe arrest or murder all opposing political factions. At this point there's a bottomless pit of horrors I wouldn't be surprised to see.

[Unkle Fleak]

I have this awful vision of a retaliatory terrorist(?) attack on US soil (real or manufactured) and the administration immediately using it to call for martial law, full lockdown of borders, freeze all elections, I dunno, maybe arrest or murder all opposing political factions. At this point there's a bottomless pit of horrors I wouldn't be surprised to see.

This is what I see coming too. They need people to mass enlist to fight for the CEOs causes.

Protect your kids. Tell them not to join everyday.

[Scab Picker]

Taking an anti-depressant or an anti-psychotic within the past 5 years disqualifies you from any military service.

[noxiousPond]

I have this awful vision of a retaliatory terrorist(?) attack on US soil (real or manufactured) and the administration immediately using it to call for martial law, full lockdown of borders, freeze all elections, I dunno, maybe arrest or murder all opposing political factions. At this point there's a bottomless pit of horrors I wouldn't be surprised to see.

Considering 9/11 happened. This can easily happen as well. Especially with this angry toddler shit bag president.

[Top-Heavy Hookjaw]

Oh please—everyone knows Trump’s on the Epstein guest list. No need to start World War III just to keep Bibi and the Mossad from cashing in their blackmail chips.

[Plan9Customs]

Taking an anti-depressant or an anti-psychotic within the past 5 years disqualifies you from any military service.

So does having ‘Chicken Foot’ aka ‘My daddy paid a doctor to write a note saying I can’t serve’ like our fearless* president.

So have the proudboys publicly disavowed their white knight yet after the strikes?

[dapurge]

Taking an anti-depressant or an anti-psychotic within the past 5 years disqualifies you from any military service.

Do medical examiners wherever they do physicals care? I remember trying to join the navy over two decades ago and I came in with an arthroscopic surgery on my meniscus. I was told by the recruiters that if they don’t ask then don’t bring it up. It eventually showed on my last task in the physical. I couldn’t do a proper duck walk and failed the physical on two occasions. The recruiter roasted me on the drive back and recruiters of other branches in my campus would tell me they heard I chickened out. Does the same apply with mental (scrips, behavioral issues, etc)?

[neonbrown]

I have this awful vision of a retaliatory terrorist(?) attack on US soil (real or manufactured) and the administration immediately using it to call for martial law, full lockdown of borders, freeze all elections, I dunno, maybe arrest or murder all opposing political factions. At this point there's a bottomless pit of horrors I wouldn't be surprised to see.

I don't think it's fair to classify potential Iranian retaliation as terrorism.

[Atiba Applebum]

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I have this awful vision of a retaliatory terrorist(?) attack on US soil (real or manufactured) and the administration immediately using it to call for martial law, full lockdown of borders, freeze all elections, I dunno, maybe arrest or murder all opposing political factions. At this point there's a bottomless pit of horrors I wouldn't be surprised to see.

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I don't think it's fair to classify potential Iranian retaliation as terrorism.

Iran can’t hit us directly.   They could barely accurately hit their targets in Israel.   If they were going to do something on our soil it’d be through a terrorist group proxy they fund or a supposed sleeper cell

[TheLurper]

Iran warned before it sent missiles to the US base in Qatar. It was a face saving act. Iran seems to be in a really weak spot and doesn't have anyone to come to the rescue. It doesn't seem Iran has too many options on escalating this conflict with military power. I do wonder if they'd actually block the Strait of Hormuz as it seems to be their last bargaining chip.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/how-iran-could-escalate
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/24/1254640146/will-iran-block-the-strait-of-hormuz
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/23/world/middleeast/iran-response-ceasefire-chance.html


Israel couldn't be more thrilled in the moment. They did not want America to negotiate with Iran. I'd bet Israel has a free pass to do whatever it wants for the next 6 months. Netanyahu is running the show. Trump is just going along for the ride. Anyone who voted for Trump cause they thought Biden wasn't tough enough on Israel was a total fool or was lying about why they wanted to vote Trump.


I feel we need to avoid this distraction and focus on the harm Trump is doing to America.

The sale of federal land and the destruction of our national parks is its own nightmare.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/23/climate/trump-end-protections-for-58-million-acres-of-national-forests.html
https://www.fastcompany.com/91354978/map-all-250-million-acres-of-public-land-the-trump-budget-bill-would-sell-off

And, how we are banking on a solution to the avg American's economic woes that doesn't make sense. Rural communities used to fight for jails/prisons to be located in their areas as they thought they'd be great job creation. The few jobs weren't worth the problems and the jobs fucking suck (working at jail or prison can pay well, but it is fucking miserable). I feel we are going to find the same thing out if/when some of these factories return. Not to mention, no one wants to work a factory job for shit wages. I'm uncertain where people got the idea non-union factory jobs were great pay and could provide with the income to afford a nice home in a desirable part of the country.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/23/business/factory-jobs-workers-trump.html

And, how--once again--the GOP complained about "money being sent to [insert scapegoat, this time Ukraine] that should be spent on Americans" is being used on tax cuts and we are planning on cutting more and more of the meager benefits Americans receive:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/23/republican-senate-trump-bill-medicaid-cuts
https://www.wosu.org/politics-government/2025-05-29/trumps-new-spending-bill-includes-reducing-federal-funding-for-snap-food-program-by-nearly-300b
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0eqpz23l9jo

And, we will take money from the avg person who sends their kid to public school and send it to the rich people who already send their kids to private schools
https://www.governing.com/policy/trump-expands-school-choice-with-new-executive-order
Something we've already seen cause real harm to Arizona's budget and act as a regressive tax on the poor to subsidies the wealthiest in the state.
https://www.propublica.org/article/arizona-school-vouchers-budget-meltdown

Or the attack on due process with these absurd ICE raids that lack due process and openly defy the courts. Fucking monsters like Timothy McVeigh deserved due process, so do those who snuck in, overstayed a visa, or lost their legal rights due to some Trump admin shenanigans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/us/politics/trump-deportation-el-salvador.html

Or, all the tax money we are spending on Trump's properties. We spend millions shuffling this idiot around and then have to pay him to house the free security detail we give him and his family of grifters.
https://gisme.georgetown.edu/publications/secret-service-costs-for-presidential-travel-continue-to-mount/
https://cbs12.com/news/local/protecting-the-president-costs-pbso-240k-a-day-when-hes-in-palm-beach-county
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/09/trump-golf-trips

Or the money he is being bribed with through his stupid meme coin or the Dubai hotel. Or the billions Saudi has already given his idiot son-in-law. Among other obviously wrong actions. Side Note: Schiff's framing of the plane issue bothers me. The corruption is the start, but he needs to hammer in on the fact that the plane is too big for most airports and Qatar hasn't been able to sell this opulent piece of shit for years. It is a liability wrapped in gold foil.


We are being robbed and just like Netanyahu who needs Israel's wars to continue to avoid going to trial for his actions, Trump needs everyone to focus on this to forgot the horrible shit going on here.

Not to mention, Democrats are getting fucking killed in this country by right wing hyper-religious Trump supporting anti-abortion kooks. Two Democratic officials were killed weeks ago. Let's worry about this before worrying about Iran who will likely strike in the their own neighborhood before doing anything else, if they do anything at all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/14/us/politics/minnesota-shootings-gunman-suspect.html

[h00man]

Wonder where all the "Harris is just as bad" people went?

[TastyBurrito]

Wonder where all the "Harris is just as bad" people went?

They became the "why isn't Harris/Biden doing anything?"

To which I usually reply, "they're private citizens. they're doing what you didn't vote them to do."

[MusclesMarinara]

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Wonder where all the "Harris is just as bad" people went?

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They became the "why isn't Harris/Biden doing anything?"

To which I usually reply, "they're private citizens. they're doing what you didn't vote them to do."

She didn’t do anything in office why’s anyone expecting anything now?

[Atiba Applebum]

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Wonder where all the "Harris is just as bad" people went?

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They became the "why isn't Harris/Biden doing anything?"

To which I usually reply, "they're private citizens. they're doing what you didn't vote them to do."

[close]

She didn’t do anything in office why’s anyone expecting anything now?

VPs tend not to be particularly active members of the executive branch unless you have a puppet POTUS like W, but I think people are looking for the Left to take vocal and principled stands they way they wanted Obama to chime in when he was a private citizen during ‘45

[Atiba Applebum]

For the temporarily good file:

The senate parliamentarian is gutting a lot of the heinous parts of the BB Bill like the selling of public lands/drilling

[h00man]

People chose to sit this election out..... these are the consequences

[SmashtheState]

People chose to sit this election out..... these are the consequences

This right here, fools didn't use their voice or vote instead they let the shit show go down. For anyone who didn't vote or voted ole yam tits in office the blood is on your hands.

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I have this awful vision of a retaliatory terrorist(?) attack on US soil (real or manufactured) and the administration immediately using it to call for martial law, full lockdown of borders, freeze all elections, I dunno, maybe arrest or murder all opposing political factions. At this point there's a bottomless pit of horrors I wouldn't be surprised to see.

[close]

I don't think it's fair to classify potential Iranian retaliation as terrorism.

[close]

Iran can’t hit us directly.   They could barely accurately hit their targets in Israel.   If they were going to do something on our soil it’d be through a terrorist group proxy they fund or a supposed sleeper cell

This administration is just begging for a false narrative to declare martial law, right out of Nazi playbook.