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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1860 on: January 15, 2026, 09:58:05 AM »
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That dude said “Trump is a blue collar guy…”

What a stupid ass fucking take.
Sadly, Trump eating fast food and being a sex offender makes people relate to him or wish that they were him.

This threat of invasion on Greenland is insane.

Really disappointed im actually speechless. Europe always thought the US was it's closest ally.
The guy is insane and the majority of what he does is insane. He does too much to distract people from his relationship with Epstein. It's hard not to think that he fucked kids.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1861 on: January 15, 2026, 11:23:24 AM »
I like to lurk on / occasionally post on a running forum I've been part of for 10+ years because I ran for sport in school. Distance running is big in rural America (though I wasn't in rural America, I would just read the forums).

I was disgusted by the ICE takes on those forums. It's niche enough where I don't think it's bots, its just the opinion of HS and college cross country coaches in Nebraska. Id sayd 50% of takes were pro-ICE / defending them, another 30% were "centrists" who would talk about whether or not its justified or analyzing shit in IMAX 1080HD60FPS or whatever, completely losing the plot.

I'm happy everyone here is logical, has common sense, and isn't beyond saving from American propaganda.


That being said, I saw a tik tok (great source, I know), of someone saying they HEARD someone else says they know yada etc x5) that the Orders ICE agents got when going to MN was that 100% of the somolis were undocumented (not true, 90% have papers, the people doing the fraud have papers), and that they have serious quotas they have to meet and are already getting desperate. And apparently the $50k bonus only hits if you don't quit for 5 years.. They're also under the impression that everyone loves them and they'll be welcome with open arms, which I believe because I guarantee they live in bubbles where their entire algorithm + TV (fox) is feeding them the garbage that made them that way.

I think this is all intentional (lying to them to provoke more violence to send a message).
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1862 on: January 15, 2026, 11:31:22 AM »
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I like to lurk on / occasionally post on a running forum I've been part of for 10+ years because I ran for sport in school. Distance running is big in rural America (though I wasn't in rural America, I would just read the forums).

I was disgusted by the ICE takes on those forums. It's niche enough where I don't think it's bots, its just the opinion of HS and college cross country coaches in Nebraska. Id sayd 50% of takes were pro-ICE / defending them, another 30% were "centrists" who would talk about whether or not its justified or analyzing shit in IMAX 1080HD60FPS or whatever, completely losing the plot.

I'm happy everyone here is logical, has common sense, and isn't beyond saving from American propaganda.


That being said, I saw a tik tok (great source, I know), of someone saying they HEARD someone else says they know yada etc x5) that the Orders ICE agents got when going to MN was that 100% of the somolis were undocumented (not true, 90% have papers, the people doing the fraud have papers), and that they have serious quotas they have to meet and are already getting desperate. And apparently the $50k bonus only hits if you don't quit for 5 years.. They're also under the impression that everyone loves them and they'll be welcome with open arms, which I believe because I guarantee they live in bubbles where their entire algorithm + TV (fox) is feeding them the garbage that made them that way.

I think this is all intentional (lying to them to provoke more violence to send a message).
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Is it Letsrun.com? That's like running's SLAP yeah?

It is Letsrun lol. I consider it more like 4chan instead of Slap since its fully anonymous. But yes, in terms of people "taking it seriously", as in no one there is a casual runner, it's people like me who actually follow professional running or may have even considered it after going D1 or whatever.

It's good for trash talking and memes and true unfiltered opinions regarding running from true running nerds. I just never ventured to the "Unrelated", non-running threads until now.

It's a shame because my favorite t shirt is a shirt with their logo, makes me feel weird wearing it now.


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1863 on: January 15, 2026, 11:52:53 AM »
Trump is now OPENLY suggesting to Reuters how we don't need November elections.

Right-wing media is already trying to downplay it by calling it a joke.

As always, if he's saying it, he's NOT joking.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1864 on: January 15, 2026, 12:03:06 PM »
Trump is now OPENLY suggesting to Reuters how we don't need November elections.

Right-wing media is already trying to downplay it by calling it a joke.

As always, if he's saying it, he's NOT joking.
Right that's why they're lying to Ice agents that are being deployed to cities they don't know. They want to create a situation explosive enough that it will pop off and they can use the Insurrection Act to declare martial law and suspend elections in November. This is the actual point of all of these deployments

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1865 on: January 15, 2026, 12:16:10 PM »
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Trump is now OPENLY suggesting to Reuters how we don't need November elections.

Right-wing media is already trying to downplay it by calling it a joke.

As always, if he's saying it, he's NOT joking.
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Right that's why they're lying to Ice agents that are being deployed to cities they don't know. They want to create a situation explosive enough that it will pop off and they can use the Insurrection Act to declare martial law and suspend elections in November. This is the actual point of all of these deployments

100% on the dot. When it came to the National Guard, The Guard were to restrained and didn't really cause any kind of ruckus.

Now with ICE, it's been announced that due to a "clerical error" there are ICE agents being sent to the field without any training and/or incomplete training. Add to the fact that these dudes are 3 percenters, Proud Boys, and White Supremacists in uniform, they have no concern for the safety of the public.

So yea, Trump called in the right people to create enough unrest to cause commotion enough to him to invoke Martial Law and prevent voting from happening.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1866 on: January 15, 2026, 12:23:58 PM »
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Trump is now OPENLY suggesting to Reuters how we don't need November elections.

Right-wing media is already trying to downplay it by calling it a joke.

As always, if he's saying it, he's NOT joking.
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Right that's why they're lying to Ice agents that are being deployed to cities they don't know. They want to create a situation explosive enough that it will pop off and they can use the Insurrection Act to declare martial law and suspend elections in November. This is the actual point of all of these deployments
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100% on the dot. When it came to the National Guard, The Guard were to restrained and didn't really cause any kind of ruckus.

Now with ICE, it's been announced that due to a "clerical error" there are ICE agents being sent to the field without any training and/or incomplete training. Add to the fact that these dudes are 3 percenters, Proud Boys, and White Supremacists in uniform, they have no concern for the safety of the public.

So yea, Trump called in the right people to create enough unrest to cause commotion enough to him to invoke Martial Law and prevent voting from happening.

Yep. Not to mention every single service person I know has completely abandoned maga.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1867 on: January 15, 2026, 12:40:56 PM »
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Trump is now OPENLY suggesting to Reuters how we don't need November elections.

Right-wing media is already trying to downplay it by calling it a joke.

As always, if he's saying it, he's NOT joking.
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Right that's why they're lying to Ice agents that are being deployed to cities they don't know. They want to create a situation explosive enough that it will pop off and they can use the Insurrection Act to declare martial law and suspend elections in November. This is the actual point of all of these deployments
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100% on the dot. When it came to the National Guard, The Guard were to restrained and didn't really cause any kind of ruckus.

Now with ICE, it's been announced that due to a "clerical error" there are ICE agents being sent to the field without any training and/or incomplete training. Add to the fact that these dudes are 3 percenters, Proud Boys, and White Supremacists in uniform, they have no concern for the safety of the public.

So yea, Trump called in the right people to create enough unrest to cause commotion enough to him to invoke Martial Law and prevent voting from happening.
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Yep. Not to mention every single service person I know has completely abandoned maga.

Lucky for you. Too many service people I know still believe in MAGA and Trump. They might say they don't agree with everything he does, but for the most part, still believe he's doing a good job. Better than Biden/Obama/Kamala.


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1868 on: January 15, 2026, 12:41:45 PM »
everything trump is doing is exactly what China and Russia want

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/website-that-leaked-info-about-ice-agents-is-down-after-cyberattack/ar-AA1UdLs1?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=79dff0e2d954448adb2f60156398d2b3&ei=10#comments

This is also interesting....

Skinner told The Daily Beast that a massive number of IPs began accessing the website, and a large amount of the traffic appeared to come from Russia – leading the founder to speculate the attack originated there.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1869 on: January 15, 2026, 01:04:07 PM »
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Trump is now OPENLY suggesting to Reuters how we don't need November elections.

Right-wing media is already trying to downplay it by calling it a joke.

As always, if he's saying it, he's NOT joking.
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Right that's why they're lying to Ice agents that are being deployed to cities they don't know. They want to create a situation explosive enough that it will pop off and they can use the Insurrection Act to declare martial law and suspend elections in November. This is the actual point of all of these deployments
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100% on the dot. When it came to the National Guard, The Guard were to restrained and didn't really cause any kind of ruckus.

Now with ICE, it's been announced that due to a "clerical error" there are ICE agents being sent to the field without any training and/or incomplete training. Add to the fact that these dudes are 3 percenters, Proud Boys, and White Supremacists in uniform, they have no concern for the safety of the public.

So yea, Trump called in the right people to create enough unrest to cause commotion enough to him to invoke Martial Law and prevent voting from happening.
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Yep. Not to mention every single service person I know has completely abandoned maga.
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Lucky for you. Too many service people I know still believe in MAGA and Trump. They might say they don't agree with everything he does, but for the most part, still believe he's doing a good job. Better than Biden/Obama/Kamala.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1870 on: January 15, 2026, 01:08:50 PM »
Highly, highly recommend a listen to this episode of Weird Little Guys. It's about an hour long but well worth your time.
I've been reacting to everything going on with unbridled rage for years, but I think I needed to have a nice cry, and man, Molly Conger finally ripped it out of me at about the 5 minute mark of this episode.
I'm at work so I had to run to the bathroom and just bury my head in my hands.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-weird-little-guys-201395214/episode/cops-klan-317471366?app=listen

It's available on every podcast platform, give it a listen if you're up for it.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1871 on: January 15, 2026, 01:51:28 PM »
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Trump is now OPENLY suggesting to Reuters how we don't need November elections.

Right-wing media is already trying to downplay it by calling it a joke.

As always, if he's saying it, he's NOT joking.
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Right that's why they're lying to Ice agents that are being deployed to cities they don't know. They want to create a situation explosive enough that it will pop off and they can use the Insurrection Act to declare martial law and suspend elections in November. This is the actual point of all of these deployments
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100% on the dot. When it came to the National Guard, The Guard were to restrained and didn't really cause any kind of ruckus.

Now with ICE, it's been announced that due to a "clerical error" there are ICE agents being sent to the field without any training and/or incomplete training. Add to the fact that these dudes are 3 percenters, Proud Boys, and White Supremacists in uniform, they have no concern for the safety of the public.

So yea, Trump called in the right people to create enough unrest to cause commotion enough to him to invoke Martial Law and prevent voting from happening.
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Yep. Not to mention every single service person I know has completely abandoned maga.
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Lucky for you. Too many service people I know still believe in MAGA and Trump. They might say they don't agree with everything he does, but for the most part, still believe he's doing a good job. Better than Biden/Obama/Kamala.

That’s unfortunate. I’d open a dialogue. The literal situation we’re all in together is if you’re not a billionaire you don’t matter.
If we don’t put aside our differences and get a 3rd party going that actually represents the interests ALL THE PEOPLE of the world idk yo.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1872 on: January 15, 2026, 02:04:26 PM »
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Trump is now OPENLY suggesting to Reuters how we don't need November elections.

Right-wing media is already trying to downplay it by calling it a joke.

As always, if he's saying it, he's NOT joking.
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Right that's why they're lying to Ice agents that are being deployed to cities they don't know. They want to create a situation explosive enough that it will pop off and they can use the Insurrection Act to declare martial law and suspend elections in November. This is the actual point of all of these deployments
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100% on the dot. When it came to the National Guard, The Guard were to restrained and didn't really cause any kind of ruckus.

Now with ICE, it's been announced that due to a "clerical error" there are ICE agents being sent to the field without any training and/or incomplete training. Add to the fact that these dudes are 3 percenters, Proud Boys, and White Supremacists in uniform, they have no concern for the safety of the public.

So yea, Trump called in the right people to create enough unrest to cause commotion enough to him to invoke Martial Law and prevent voting from happening.
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Yep. Not to mention every single service person I know has completely abandoned maga.
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Lucky for you. Too many service people I know still believe in MAGA and Trump. They might say they don't agree with everything he does, but for the most part, still believe he's doing a good job. Better than Biden/Obama/Kamala.
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That’s unfortunate. I’d open a dialogue. The literal situation we’re all in together is if you’re not a billionaire you don’t matter.
If we don’t put aside our differences and get a 3rd party going that actually represents the interests ALL THE PEOPLE of the world idk yo.
The planets gonna be an irradiated nightmare for generations

Sadly, I've tried.

They all listen to and become stats of the propaganda that FOX, Joe Rogan, and other "alpha male" Podcasters and "Independent Investigative Journalists" have fed them.

Look at the 1776 funds in December. Many servicemen believe that Trump gave them this from his own wealth and refuse to believe reasoning that the money was just diverted from pre-approved congressional funds allocated for Basic Housing Allowances.


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1873 on: January 15, 2026, 03:46:34 PM »
People need to start realizing that they’re going to kill everybody.
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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1874 on: January 15, 2026, 06:15:51 PM »
People need to start realizing that they’re going to kill everybody.

LOL. MAGA knows Trump is going to kill everyone. But they think everyone just means "Liberals" and "people of color" so they're okay with it.

It's why the "Don't Tread On Me!" party are now "Just show your papers and comply!" party.


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1875 on: January 15, 2026, 07:20:09 PM »
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I like to lurk on / occasionally post on a running forum I've been part of for 10+ years because I ran for sport in school. Distance running is big in rural America (though I wasn't in rural America, I would just read the forums).

I was disgusted by the ICE takes on those forums. It's niche enough where I don't think it's bots, its just the opinion of HS and college cross country coaches in Nebraska. Id sayd 50% of takes were pro-ICE / defending them, another 30% were "centrists" who would talk about whether or not its justified or analyzing shit in IMAX 1080HD60FPS or whatever, completely losing the plot.

I'm happy everyone here is logical, has common sense, and isn't beyond saving from American propaganda.


That being said, I saw a tik tok (great source, I know), of someone saying they HEARD someone else says they know yada etc x5) that the Orders ICE agents got when going to MN was that 100% of the somolis were undocumented (not true, 90% have papers, the people doing the fraud have papers), and that they have serious quotas they have to meet and are already getting desperate. And apparently the $50k bonus only hits if you don't quit for 5 years.. They're also under the impression that everyone loves them and they'll be welcome with open arms, which I believe because I guarantee they live in bubbles where their entire algorithm + TV (fox) is feeding them the garbage that made them that way.

I think this is all intentional (lying to them to provoke more violence to send a message).
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Is it Letsrun.com? That's like running's SLAP yeah?
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It is Letsrun lol. I consider it more like 4chan instead of Slap since its fully anonymous. But yes, in terms of people "taking it seriously", as in no one there is a casual runner, it's people like me who actually follow professional running or may have even considered it after going D1 or whatever.

It's good for trash talking and memes and true unfiltered opinions regarding running from true running nerds. I just never ventured to the "Unrelated", non-running threads until now.

It's a shame because my favorite t shirt is a shirt with their logo, makes me feel weird wearing it now.


Honestly some of the funniest threads I've ever read were on Letsrun. I kinda wish Slap was fully anon sometimes....it sucks 4chan /xs/ is filled with nothing but beginner skaters who aren't in the know enough to create hilarious niche jokes. Anon Slap would be insane tho...
It's interesting to hear about the environment over there and your take on that forum being more like 4Chan, hehe. I'm more familiar with that website's owners than the site itself, dated their family member for years. They're some characters. I went on the forum to see what it was about once and saw some shit pretty quick. From my experience, whole fam is good people with sound views, I wouldn't say the forum operators are coming from a pro-MAGA place, not sure if that helps. As for the posters, I don't see how you can support ICE's actions without having some kind of hate in your heart or being unforgivably ignorant.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1876 on: January 15, 2026, 11:10:35 PM »
Other parts of the world have a chance against the US because people like Pege Hegseth rely on AI for strategy.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1877 on: January 15, 2026, 11:30:07 PM »
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People need to start realizing that they’re going to kill everybody.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-threatens-invoke-insurrection-act-response-minneapolis-protests-rcna254187



All in the playbook as many have pointed out: create an authoritarian crisis, capitalize on the public disorder that results, and use the chaos as a cover to clamp down further. Next stop suspending elections under the guise of “emergency circumstances”.

Time to fully accept our worst nightmares are bearing down on us faster than expected.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1878 on: January 16, 2026, 12:06:07 AM »
China and Russia are sitting back and laughing.

Watching Trumps Putin's America turning it's back on it's ally in Europe and break up NATO.

Truly disgusting and sick.

Worrying part is no one in America seems to care.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1879 on: January 16, 2026, 06:16:20 AM »
China and Russia are sitting back and laughing.

Watching Trumps Putin's America turning it's back on it's ally in Europe and break up NATO.

Truly disgusting and sick.

Worrying part is no one in America seems to care.

It's not there aren't people who don't care, it's that the people who ARE complicit with this politically overpower and outnumber those who do.

Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, Mike Johnson, SCOTUS. They all collectively are in inscrutable positions of power which should be non-partisan and independent of party. But they all bent knee to Trump.

Dems and the very few Republicans who are trying to speak out are silenced and censured.

It's why Trump is touting the idea of not having mid-term elections. He doesn't want to upset his balance of un-yielding power.

He and Stephen Miller realized they didn't take advantage of their complete power of Congress from 2016-2018 so they're doing it now.

People care. It's just, sadly, more people in positions of higher power are fine with what's going on and helping it happen. 

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1880 on: January 16, 2026, 09:14:27 AM »
IOC issued a warning if Trump keeps doing Trump things, they’ll ban Team USA from the upcoming Winter Olympics.

I personally think they should and it’d be even more hilarious if they banned Team USA in 2028 when we’re supposed to be hosting.

https://www.sportbible.com/other/ioc-olympics-donald-trump-america-175514-20260114

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1881 on: January 16, 2026, 09:56:49 PM »
Look how happy the little pedophile is with his participation trophy!

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1882 on: January 16, 2026, 10:09:04 PM »
Look how happy the little pedophile is with his participation trophy!


The Nobel needs to officially strip Machado of it. Then immediately give it to Obama.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1883 on: January 16, 2026, 11:11:59 PM »
IOC issued a warning if Trump keeps doing Trump things, they’ll ban Team USA from the upcoming Winter Olympics.

I personally think they should and it’d be even more hilarious if they banned Team USA in 2028 when we’re supposed to be hosting.

https://www.sportbible.com/other/ioc-olympics-donald-trump-america-175514-20260114


Corporate dollar will never let that happen.   Worse, I could see tht gaining him support from Americans

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1884 on: January 17, 2026, 08:17:29 AM »
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IOC issued a warning if Trump keeps doing Trump things, they’ll ban Team USA from the upcoming Winter Olympics.

I personally think they should and it’d be even more hilarious if they banned Team USA in 2028 when we’re supposed to be hosting.

https://www.sportbible.com/other/ioc-olympics-donald-trump-america-175514-20260114
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Corporate dollar will never let that happen.   Worse, I could see tht gaining him support from Americans

It’s why I want to see it happen. Billionaires in Trump’s pocket are going to get him to knock it off (at least for the duration of the games) because the Olympics are huge revenue buckets from them.

As for supporters, I dunno. Even Hitler and the Nazis knew not to fuck with the games when they hosted in 1936.

And if your predictions are correct and MAGA would support us being banned by IOC in favor of Trump’s ego, we as America, would be beyond saving when it comes to international relationships.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1885 on: January 17, 2026, 10:03:43 AM »
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Look how happy the little pedophile is with his participation trophy!

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The Nobel needs to officially strip Machado of it. Then immediately give it to Obama.


It was a joke that she won the noble prize in the first place. She has supported military coups and openly advocated for the invasion of Venezuela.

Why should Obama get it? He was involved in so many wars and extrajudicial killings!


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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1886 on: January 17, 2026, 10:21:21 AM »
https://x.com/SenBooker/status/2011795625835114641

So as the calls for ICE to be abolished from the Democratic base..........Democrat lawmakers propose body cameras and better training  (i.e. more funding) for the gestapo?

And people wonder why they keep losing....

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1887 on: January 17, 2026, 10:50:50 AM »
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Look how happy the little pedophile is with his participation trophy!

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The Nobel needs to officially strip Machado of it. Then immediately give it to Obama.
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It was a joke that she won the noble prize in the first place. She has supported military coups and openly advocated for the invasion of Venezuela.

Why should Obama get it? He was involved in so many wars and extrajudicial killings!

Giving to Obama would purely be to annoy Trump.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1888 on: January 17, 2026, 10:52:15 AM »
https://x.com/SenBooker/status/2011795625835114641

So as the calls for ICE to be abolished from the Democratic base..........Democrat lawmakers propose body cameras and better training  (i.e. more funding) for the gestapo?

And people wonder why they keep losing....

Hate how Dems keep trying this “play by the rules” way. It’s not working.

Lack of cameras and training for ICE was, under this regima, a feature, not a bug.

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Re: Changes under Trump 2.0
« Reply #1889 on: January 17, 2026, 10:59:16 AM »
https://x.com/SenBooker/status/2011795625835114641

So as the calls for ICE to be abolished from the Democratic base..........Democrat lawmakers propose body cameras and better training  (i.e. more funding) for the gestapo?

And people wonder why they keep losing....

The comments on the video are unhinged. Absolutely insane.

What Booker does wrong is explain things. Don't explain to the public, don't worry about nuance, just make a meme and move on. Trump tells people this is good or bad and doesn't explain why. The why doesn't matter cause most of us don't know enough about a specific topic to come to a conclusion anyway. Most of us are waiting to be told what to think and then we reach for details to support that belief.

The details are just things to argue about while we are clinging to our initial feelings about a situation that was established before knowing anything past the most basic elements that signaled our side/their side.

Who the fuck is running the social media campaign for these people? Honestly, there had to be a better way to do this in 15 seconds or less. There are so many simplistic American narratives to pull from and they used none of them.

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