2025 unpopular opinion thread

[Lurknopost]

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In the 90s there was no social media. Yeah there was shit talking in magazines and in real life, but you dealt with real life consequences of running your mouth. Bill Pepper got “most annoying skater of the year” award and he walked into Thrasher and punch Phelps in the face.

This may be hard to believe, but there were no online army’s or faceless posters cheering on one person or bullying up on another person. This aspect of social media - the digital ease - of being able to attack people and bully them online is not progress.

I’m just personally not a fan of negative criticism and critique it’s just pointless. It’s ruined music. It’s proven to have negative effects on all parties involved. If you don’t like something find something you do and hype it up. Thats what I spend my life doing, however, seeing Gifted Hater get sponsored and rise to fame, with his online army of fan boys - is real depressing to me. I’m guilty of my own crime here. Negativity breeds negativity. It looks the same as that straight white online incel army people like Nick Fuentes have. It’s the polar opposite of diversity in skateboarding.

This is an unpopular opinions thread and this is my opinion.

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You are reaching so hard dude.

Ultimate old guy baby mode right now.

Shuuuuut uuuuuup.

"I grew up in the 90s, GH is basically Nick Fuentes" lmfaoooo

I was wrong you two are way more irritating than the lukewarm Gen z takes. Bring on more GH fans to the boards

[beug]

for better or worse gh has filled the void of the phelper
a polarising, funny personality whose opinions generally echo that of the core community

in 2025 it only makes sense that this is in the form of a youtuber/twitch streamer

also, i can almost guarantee the old guys he pisses off these days would have held  phelps word as gospel in the hellride era , which i think  only adds to my point .. in 10 years gh devotees gonna be doing the same to whoevers next up - provided they survive the groyper wars of 2028

future is now old guys

[ralf_]

gh never says anything controversial

[GnarAlarm]

Slaughterhouse remains, to this day, one of the single best and most enjoyable skateboard videos of all time.

I thought it was a classic back then when I first got and rewatched and rewatched the DVD and I still think so.

"Fuck you Baca"

"Lizard King's great"

"I'm not stopping filming this is my jawb"

Always wondered, did Shuriken Shannon break his leg in the intro to that video?
Whatever he does it looks gnarly as fuck but I never heard anything about it and he has a full banger of a part.

[Abyss1]

for better or worse gh has filled the void of the phelper
a polarising, funny personality whose opinions generally echo that of the core community

in 2025 it only makes sense that this is in the form of a youtuber/twitch streamer

also, i can almost guarantee the old guys he pisses off these days would have held  phelps word as gospel in the hellride era , which i think  only adds to my point .. in 10 years gh devotees gonna be doing the same to whoevers next up - provided they survive the groyper wars of 2028

future is now old guys

Joa having the same cred as Phelps is laughable...Also grew up in the 90s and am not a fan of his videos but don't care for him, what either way he ends up in skateboarding, the scene has gotten so big that I can enjoy it without ever interacting with any of his content.    The only people who i think deserve to be punched in the face are literal nazi's like Nick Fuentes and Richard spencer.  Joa or any opinions like his does not deserve any physical violence

[SatanicPanic]

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for better or worse gh has filled the void of the phelper
a polarising, funny personality whose opinions generally echo that of the core community

in 2025 it only makes sense that this is in the form of a youtuber/twitch streamer

also, i can almost guarantee the old guys he pisses off these days would have held  phelps word as gospel in the hellride era , which i think  only adds to my point .. in 10 years gh devotees gonna be doing the same to whoevers next up - provided they survive the groyper wars of 2028

future is now old guys

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Joa having the same cred as Phelps is laughable...Also grew up in the 90s and am not a fan of his videos but don't care for him, what either way he ends up in skateboarding, the scene has gotten so big that I can enjoy it without ever interacting with any of his content.    The only people who i think deserve to be punched in the face are literal nazi's like Nick Fuentes and Richard spencer.  Joa or any opinions like his does not deserve any physical violence

If anything Joa has more. Phelps didn't really matter to anyone until KOTR, and even then I don't think people really cared about his opinions that much. Like, go fast and do scary stuff was a thing before Phelps came along.

[PalaceButtPlug]

yeah all credibility is lost when you are a heroin addict

[Roy Machine]

Funny I would go the exact opposite. GH is maybe the only popular person in skateboarding right now who calls shit out and criticizes rightfully. Some parts of skateboarding are so lame right now and we need more people like gifted hater who uncover and speak up against lame shit.

[THE WILD]

Skate outlaws seeked

[GnarAlarm]

Funny I would go the exact opposite. GH is maybe the only popular person in skateboarding right now who calls shit out and criticizes rightfully. Some parts of skateboarding are so lame right now and we need more people like gifted hater who uncover and speak up against lame shit.

That's SLAP's job!
HE TOOK OUR JERBS!!!

[okdokeydirtbite]

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for better or worse gh has filled the void of the phelper
a polarising, funny personality whose opinions generally echo that of the core community

in 2025 it only makes sense that this is in the form of a youtuber/twitch streamer

also, i can almost guarantee the old guys he pisses off these days would have held  phelps word as gospel in the hellride era , which i think  only adds to my point .. in 10 years gh devotees gonna be doing the same to whoevers next up - provided they survive the groyper wars of 2028

future is now old guys

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Joa having the same cred as Phelps is laughable...Also grew up in the 90s and am not a fan of his videos but don't care for him, what either way he ends up in skateboarding, the scene has gotten so big that I can enjoy it without ever interacting with any of his content.    The only people who i think deserve to be punched in the face are literal nazi's like Nick Fuentes and Richard spencer.  Joa or any opinions like his does not deserve any physical violence

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If anything Joa has more. Phelps didn't really matter to anyone until KOTR, and even then I don't think people really cared about his opinions that much. Like, go fast and do scary stuff was a thing before Phelps came along.

phelps edited Thrasher for 26 years you fucking person.

[Untamed]

yeah all credibility is lost when you are a heroin addict

Disagree I don't wanna hear about what's supposed to be gnarly from a dude who hasn't even tried hard drugs.

[Chonk_Fondress]

Benihana is just a lazy man's one-footed Japan air.

[Cheshire Cat]

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Slaughterhouse remains, to this day, one of the single best and most enjoyable skateboard videos of all time.

I thought it was a classic back then when I first got and rewatched and rewatched the DVD and I still think so.

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Do you like the 88 Footwear video Destroy Everything Now? I think of it as the best "rocker" video of the era, with the coolest team and soundtrack. Slaughterhouse, Baker 3, & Cataclysmic Abyss have some gems but it seemed like the emphasis was more about playing dress up.

See this is exactly what I was referring to when bringing up the video in this specific thread.
The shit said about people's outfits even when it was released was silly imo.

I enjoyed the fuck out of the 88 footwear video too, and it's similarly great. But Slaughterhouse, warts and all, is a well put together fucking classic. Charlie Castelluzo aside, everyone in the video went on to bigger things. It gave a load of the Baker crew their start. Except Ragdoll. That two song part was basically his magnum opus anyway.

And Slash kickflip fs 5050d the grass-side rail of Beverly Hills High (I think) but didn't get the recognition it deserved because of some tight jeans.

[SatanicPanic]

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for better or worse gh has filled the void of the phelper
a polarising, funny personality whose opinions generally echo that of the core community

in 2025 it only makes sense that this is in the form of a youtuber/twitch streamer

also, i can almost guarantee the old guys he pisses off these days would have held  phelps word as gospel in the hellride era , which i think  only adds to my point .. in 10 years gh devotees gonna be doing the same to whoevers next up - provided they survive the groyper wars of 2028

future is now old guys

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Joa having the same cred as Phelps is laughable...Also grew up in the 90s and am not a fan of his videos but don't care for him, what either way he ends up in skateboarding, the scene has gotten so big that I can enjoy it without ever interacting with any of his content.    The only people who i think deserve to be punched in the face are literal nazi's like Nick Fuentes and Richard spencer.  Joa or any opinions like his does not deserve any physical violence

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If anything Joa has more. Phelps didn't really matter to anyone until KOTR, and even then I don't think people really cared about his opinions that much. Like, go fast and do scary stuff was a thing before Phelps came along.

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phelps edited Thrasher for 26 years you fucking person.

Right, but was it that influential? I feel like they were the 3rd place mag in the 90s and even then I remember thinking of him as an 80s relic. IMHO Dave Carnie was more influential.

[THE WILD]

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for better or worse gh has filled the void of the phelper
a polarising, funny personality whose opinions generally echo that of the core community

in 2025 it only makes sense that this is in the form of a youtuber/twitch streamer

also, i can almost guarantee the old guys he pisses off these days would have held  phelps word as gospel in the hellride era , which i think  only adds to my point .. in 10 years gh devotees gonna be doing the same to whoevers next up - provided they survive the groyper wars of 2028

future is now old guys

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Joa having the same cred as Phelps is laughable...Also grew up in the 90s and am not a fan of his videos but don't care for him, what either way he ends up in skateboarding, the scene has gotten so big that I can enjoy it without ever interacting with any of his content.    The only people who i think deserve to be punched in the face are literal nazi's like Nick Fuentes and Richard spencer.  Joa or any opinions like his does not deserve any physical violence

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If anything Joa has more. Phelps didn't really matter to anyone until KOTR, and even then I don't think people really cared about his opinions that much. Like, go fast and do scary stuff was a thing before Phelps came along.

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phelps edited Thrasher for 26 years you fucking person.

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Right, but was it that influential? I feel like they were the 3rd place mag in the 90s and even then I remember thinking of him as an 80s relic. IMHO Dave Carnie was more influential.

and was top pro for Whalecock

[pop idiot]

See this is exactly what I was referring to when bringing up the video in this specific thread.
The shit said about people's outfits even when it was released was silly imo.

 Except Ragdoll. That two song part was basically his magnum opus anyway.

Because the outfits were over the top silly... equally as silly as 1993. I was guilty too, thinking I looked cool in my gf's spandex jeans. Baca pulled it off and at least Slash had the right body type and wasn't wearing boot cut jeans, but Ragdoll in Black Out is the only part of his I like. First time I'd heard the Saints and the last time I needed to see his butt crack. Him skating to AVE's song in Photo wasn't it.

ADDENDUM: Sometimes I forget what thread I'm in, so fuck my generic-ass popular opinion, yours is cooler. AVE in Photo is where I first heard the Stooges so it's special to me. Reusing that song seemed lazy when there are other Iggy gems (Butt Town).

"All aboard for Funtime"

[Southernmost]

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for better or worse gh has filled the void of the phelper
a polarising, funny personality whose opinions generally echo that of the core community

in 2025 it only makes sense that this is in the form of a youtuber/twitch streamer

also, i can almost guarantee the old guys he pisses off these days would have held  phelps word as gospel in the hellride era , which i think  only adds to my point .. in 10 years gh devotees gonna be doing the same to whoevers next up - provided they survive the groyper wars of 2028

future is now old guys

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Joa having the same cred as Phelps is laughable...Also grew up in the 90s and am not a fan of his videos but don't care for him, what either way he ends up in skateboarding, the scene has gotten so big that I can enjoy it without ever interacting with any of his content.    The only people who i think deserve to be punched in the face are literal nazi's like Nick Fuentes and Richard spencer.  Joa or any opinions like his does not deserve any physical violence

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If anything Joa has more. Phelps didn't really matter to anyone until KOTR, and even then I don't think people really cared about his opinions that much. Like, go fast and do scary stuff was a thing before Phelps came along.

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phelps edited Thrasher for 26 years you fucking person.

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Right, but was it that influential? I feel like they were the 3rd place mag in the 90s and even then I remember thinking of him as an 80s relic. IMHO Dave Carnie was more influential.

Was it influential? Cmon dude, Phelps was part of a legacy. 100% skateboarding. The Mag wasn’t always at the top but it was always legit. SOTY, Bust or Bail, KOTR. What’s Joa done? YSL and Dumb Data’s Skate. Phelps was all over the world skating gnarly shit and touring with bands. GH is in Orange County and LA at perfect skateparks and ordering Uber eats to his apartment. Not to diminish his influence for this current era but it’s more internet clout imo. YT vids and streamer content, not really legendary stuff. Staring into a computer screen giving opinions by yourself is kind of corny but I guess that’s what people consume these days. Kind of an apples to oranges comparison but let’s not act like Jake was some random dude who didn’t contribute much and no one paid attention to.

[somethingmustbreaknow]

youtubers, streamers and such should not be respected.
i won't care about some dude sitting in front of his pc recording some lame ass youtube videos giving HIS opinions on stuff. i don't care. i can have my own opinion, i don't need yours. i also don't care for GH. i think watching these fucking endless videos is a waste of time. comparing him to phelps is peak ridiculuousness.
but you do you. go ahead and keep watching if you enjoy it.

[Sk8 Prick]

Was it influential? Cmon dude, Phelps was part of a legacy. 100% skateboarding. The Mag wasn’t always at the top but it was always legit. SOTY, Bust or Bail, KOTR. What’s Joa done? YSL and Dumb Data’s Skate. Phelps was all over the world skating gnarly shit and touring with bands. GH is in Orange County and LA at perfect skateparks and ordering Uber eats to his apartment. Not to diminish his influence for this current era but it’s more internet clout imo. YT vids and streamer content, not really legendary stuff. Staring into a computer screen giving opinions by yourself is kind of corny but I guess that’s what people consume these days. Kind of an apples to oranges comparison but let’s not act like Jake was some random dude who didn’t contribute much and no one paid attention to.

I don't really see how Phelps and Thrasher are comparable to GH. To me, Joa's content exists more in the realm of big brother and Rocco era world camp. Obviously I'm not giving Joa the same credibility as Rocco or BB, but his perspective is more in line with that brand of humorously criticizing some of the egregious kookery in contemporary skateboarding. I think what he's doing is essential, and while I'm not a super fan or patreon subscriber, I like and agree with most of his content.

Also, it seems as though you intentionally used some of his weaker content (YSL and Dumb Data) to make your argument feel stronger. His hateline series, Mikey Alfred criticism, Heath vs Jason Ellis, P.Rod hate and other videos are high quality critiques and warranted criticisms for lots of the wack sh*t pros and people in the skate industry are participating in nowadays.

Just because he uses a webcam to make his content doesn't make it less legitimate to me. Times change. If this were the 90s and he worked at Big brother, his content would be the same. Its just a different means to an end.

Genuinely curious here, but how do you guys not like gifted hater? To me he seems like one of the only people in skate media serving a reality check. Sometimes I feel like I'm going insane with all the heinous sh*t that gains any sort of traction or recognition in skateboarding now (wack sponsors, tiktok and youtube clout farming, horrible graphics, NFTs, etc.) And I like that he points out when skaters are not being honest on their platforms when asked about how they feel about other skaters and brands (the nine club for example).

I don't view Joa as a typical 'youtube skater', he's funnier and more honest than any of those dweebs. It feels like some of the old heads just see him as a glasses wearing youtuber cornball cornball without ever watching his content. He speaks the truth man. Gino was sick in the 90s, but he does not deserve an Asics endorsement in 2025...

For the record, I am not a fan of weck, despite him making similar content. He seems more arrogant and bitter than Joa in his takes.

-Skater, 30's, USA

[Southernmost]

I chose YSL and Dumb Data’s skate as events he’s been part of compared to events Phelps had been in. Can you honestly say what GH is doing currently compares to 25 + years of Phelps doing Magazines and Classic skateboarding events. Sure GH is good at communicating and articulating his thoughts on topics. He’s charismatic and witty. But I don’t need to watch hour long videos telling me why Mikey Alfred or Tim Pool suck. I get it, it’s spicy topics for clickable content. Not really the type of media or videos I enjoy personally. I can see why he’s popular but no clue why people would pay to listen to him talk on the computer. And he’s definitely a YouTube skater. We learned of him through YT and IG, not from being on Sci Fi and his skating.

[MMongrel]

youtubers, streamers and such should not be respected.
i won't care about some dude sitting in front of his pc recording some lame ass youtube videos giving HIS opinions on stuff. i don't care. i can have my own opinion, i don't need yours. i also don't care for GH. i think watching these fucking endless videos is a waste of time. comparing him to phelps is peak ridiculuousness.
but you do you. go ahead and keep watching if you enjoy it.

100% agree. Working on some project for a long time to then have some nerd making a career of criticizing every last aspect of it from the comfort of their own home and have anyone take it a least bit seriously is completely fried. On par with seeing music or film as just "product" to consume. I feel all kinds of strongly about this kind of thinking.

[ferguu]

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youtubers, streamers and such should not be respected.
i won't care about some dude sitting in front of his pc recording some lame ass youtube videos giving HIS opinions on stuff. i don't care. i can have my own opinion, i don't need yours. i also don't care for GH. i think watching these fucking endless videos is a waste of time. comparing him to phelps is peak ridiculuousness.
but you do you. go ahead and keep watching if you enjoy it.

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100% agree. Working on some project for a long time to then have some nerd making a career of criticizing every last aspect of it from the comfort of their own home and have anyone take it a least bit seriously is completely fried. On par with seeing music or film as just "product" to consume. I feel all kinds of strongly about this kind of thinking.

Unfortunately unwarranted constant criticism is the most popular form of discourse these days. We have so much time to hate.

Why do people act like GH is some special genius? Go drink a bunch of beers or smoke something then chat shit about what's in front of you, it's a formula passed down through the ages.

[okdokeydirtbite]

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for better or worse gh has filled the void of the phelper
a polarising, funny personality whose opinions generally echo that of the core community

in 2025 it only makes sense that this is in the form of a youtuber/twitch streamer

also, i can almost guarantee the old guys he pisses off these days would have held  phelps word as gospel in the hellride era , which i think  only adds to my point .. in 10 years gh devotees gonna be doing the same to whoevers next up - provided they survive the groyper wars of 2028

future is now old guys

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Joa having the same cred as Phelps is laughable...Also grew up in the 90s and am not a fan of his videos but don't care for him, what either way he ends up in skateboarding, the scene has gotten so big that I can enjoy it without ever interacting with any of his content.    The only people who i think deserve to be punched in the face are literal nazi's like Nick Fuentes and Richard spencer.  Joa or any opinions like his does not deserve any physical violence

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If anything Joa has more. Phelps didn't really matter to anyone until KOTR, and even then I don't think people really cared about his opinions that much. Like, go fast and do scary stuff was a thing before Phelps came along.

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phelps edited Thrasher for 26 years you fucking person.

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Right, but was it that influential? I feel like they were the 3rd place mag in the 90s and even then I remember thinking of him as an 80s relic. IMHO Dave Carnie was more influential.

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Was it influential? Cmon dude, Phelps was part of a legacy. 100% skateboarding. The Mag wasn’t always at the top but it was always legit. SOTY, Bust or Bail, KOTR. What’s Joa done? YSL and Dumb Data’s Skate. Phelps was all over the world skating gnarly shit and touring with bands. GH is in Orange County and LA at perfect skateparks and ordering Uber eats to his apartment. Not to diminish his influence for this current era but it’s more internet clout imo. YT vids and streamer content, not really legendary stuff. Staring into a computer screen giving opinions by yourself is kind of corny but I guess that’s what people consume these days. Kind of an apples to oranges comparison but let’s not act like Jake was some random dude who didn’t contribute much and no one paid attention to.

THANK YOU thank you

youtubers, streamers and such should not be respected.
i won't care about some dude sitting in front of his pc recording some lame ass youtube videos giving HIS opinions on stuff. i don't care. i can have my own opinion, i don't need yours. i also don't care for GH. i think watching these fucking endless videos is a waste of time. comparing him to phelps is peak ridiculuousness.
but you do you. go ahead and keep watching if you enjoy it.

THIS 

pressing record, opening your mouth, and posting it online isn't doing jack shit for the culture!!!!!!

some of ya'll in this new generation are SPENT.
lowest common denominator shit.

[roba]

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youtubers, streamers and such should not be respected.
i won't care about some dude sitting in front of his pc recording some lame ass youtube videos giving HIS opinions on stuff. i don't care. i can have my own opinion, i don't need yours. i also don't care for GH. i think watching these fucking endless videos is a waste of time. comparing him to phelps is peak ridiculuousness.
but you do you. go ahead and keep watching if you enjoy it.

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100% agree. Working on some project for a long time to then have some nerd making a career of criticizing every last aspect of it from the comfort of their own home and have anyone take it a least bit seriously is completely fried. On par with seeing music or film as just "product" to consume. I feel all kinds of strongly about this kind of thinking.

hitler spent years on mein kampf, he put in that work, you gotta respect it

pressing record, opening your mouth, and posting it online isn't doing jack shit for the culture!!!!!!

some of ya'll in this new generation are SPENT.
lowest common denominator shit.

all you do is exactly that but in text form you fucking moron

[Jim and Dan]

I like JJ's part in Purple over Mindfield...

[formula420]

youtubers, streamers and such should not be respected.
i won't care about some dude sitting in front of his pc recording some lame ass youtube videos giving HIS opinions on stuff. i don't care. i can have my own opinion, i don't need yours. i also don't care for GH. i think watching these fucking endless videos is a waste of time. comparing him to phelps is peak ridiculuousness.
but you do you. go ahead and keep watching if you enjoy it.

Says the guy with 5k posts on slap

Did Phelps ever film a full part?

[MMongrel]

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youtubers, streamers and such should not be respected.
i won't care about some dude sitting in front of his pc recording some lame ass youtube videos giving HIS opinions on stuff. i don't care. i can have my own opinion, i don't need yours. i also don't care for GH. i think watching these fucking endless videos is a waste of time. comparing him to phelps is peak ridiculuousness.
but you do you. go ahead and keep watching if you enjoy it.

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100% agree. Working on some project for a long time to then have some nerd making a career of criticizing every last aspect of it from the comfort of their own home and have anyone take it a least bit seriously is completely fried. On par with seeing music or film as just "product" to consume. I feel all kinds of strongly about this kind of thinking.

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hitler spent years on mein kampf, he put in that work, you gotta respect it

Now that you mention it, Hitler was also notoriously lazy and leaned heavy on the unwarranted criticism of people. Something of a Gifter Hater of his time?

[alien porkchop]

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youtubers, streamers and such should not be respected.
i won't care about some dude sitting in front of his pc recording some lame ass youtube videos giving HIS opinions on stuff. i don't care. i can have my own opinion, i don't need yours. i also don't care for GH. i think watching these fucking endless videos is a waste of time. comparing him to phelps is peak ridiculuousness.
but you do you. go ahead and keep watching if you enjoy it.

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Says the guy with 5k posts on slap

Did Phelps ever film a full part?

the “shut up and skate” contingent, busy af posting their multi-paragraph anti-gh, panties in a bunch tangents, don’t seem to notice the irony. goofs.

[SatanicPanic]

I just don't think anyone was saying "well Phelps said this about this" in conversation in the 90s. I remember people quoting Dave Carnie, Tim O'Connor, Clyde Singleton and a few others. I know he did the mag, but it wasn't even the biggest mag back then and I don't remember it even being considered too cool.

Like sure, plenty of us know Tim Pool, but lots of young kids probably don't. Very few people are on slap, so Joa putting out the best, most comprehensive takedown of Chris Cole is pretty important. Can you image if that had been left to no one?