Marre & Nisse is beautiful; what did Fritte shoot it on?

[OwlGreen]

Easily the best 16:9 fish footy I've ever seen. So great to see faces in lines. And relatively few cut off heads. Anyone know his setup? My guess would be like an A7sIII/FX3 and the Samyang 12mm fish. And maybe that PZ 28-135mm for the long shots. Dynamic as fuck without making me sick. I'm impressed.

[bataaard]

I saw him last winter, and if I remember well he had a gh5 + rode videomic + speedbooster and canon 8-15 for a specific project but told me he prefer using the samyang 8mm
and for longlens a HC-X1000

you need to be very good to make that setup look good imo, with most filmers it would look bad

[OwlGreen]

I saw him last winter, and if I remember well he had a gh5 + rode videomic + speedbooster and canon 8-15 for a specific project but told me he prefer using the samyang 8mm
and for longlens a HC-X1000

you need to be very good to make that setup look good imo, with most filmers it would look bad

GH5, goddamn, he makes it look good. So does Sneep.

If you had to guess, would you say this is a Samyang 8mm or Canon 8-15mm? I feel like the image gets a little bit expanded in the corners, which I thought was a hallmark of the Samyangs, but maybe the Canon does that, too. I had to double check the framerate because it looked so smooth. Almost expected it to be 50 or 60p. Dude keeps things remarkably steady even when changing directions. On some eyes-in-the-back-of-your-head shit.

Sidenote; other day I watched that Oscar Candon part you made with the Brigitte Fontaine song. Genuinely great. How did you manage those ultra slow-mo b-roll shots, if you don't mind me asking? Were you flip tossing an RX100V in the air? And then Twixtor? Or rather a Chronos? Or a Phantom Miro? It looked good.

[bataaard]

If you had to guess, would you say this is a Samyang 8mm or Canon 8-15mm? I feel like the image gets a little bit expanded in the corners, which I thought was a hallmark of the Samyangs, but maybe the Canon does that, too.

no idea about that

I had to double check the framerate because it looked so smooth. Almost expected it to be 50 or 60p. Dude keeps things remarkably steady even when changing directions. On some eyes-in-the-back-of-your-head shit.

It looks smooth because he uses the proper shutter speed related to his final framerate export. Many people crank that shutter really high which gives jittery footage. Video doesn't fully work like photo, there are more intricacies since you shoot multiple frames a second.

Sidenote; other day I watched that Oscar Candon part you made with the Brigitte Fontaine song. Genuinely great. How did you manage those ultra slow-mo b-roll shots, if you don't mind me asking? Were you flip tossing an RX100V in the air? And then Twixtor? Or rather a Chronos? Or a Phantom Miro? It looked good.

thanks ! the ax700 has a slowmotion burst setting: no sound, you can record something like 7 seconds once you press record. I believe i shot around 500fps.
we (mostly Oscar) built a diy rig you can see on slide 5:

He took some bearings off his board to include in the rig. No skating for him that day.

[OwlGreen]

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If you had to guess, would you say this is a Samyang 8mm or Canon 8-15mm? I feel like the image gets a little bit expanded in the corners, which I thought was a hallmark of the Samyangs, but maybe the Canon does that, too.

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no idea about that

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I had to double check the framerate because it looked so smooth. Almost expected it to be 50 or 60p. Dude keeps things remarkably steady even when changing directions. On some eyes-in-the-back-of-your-head shit.

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It looks smooth because he uses the proper shutter speed related to his final framerate export. Many people crank that shutter really high which gives jittery footage. Video doesn't fully work like photo, there are more intricacies since you shoot multiple frames a second.

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Sidenote; other day I watched that Oscar Candon part you made with the Brigitte Fontaine song. Genuinely great. How did you manage those ultra slow-mo b-roll shots, if you don't mind me asking? Were you flip tossing an RX100V in the air? And then Twixtor? Or rather a Chronos? Or a Phantom Miro? It looked good.

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thanks ! the ax700 has a slowmotion burst setting: no sound, you can record something like 7 seconds once you press record. I believe i shot around 500fps.
we (mostly Oscar) built a diy rig you can see on slide 5:

He took some bearings off his board to include in the rig. No skating for him that day.

Fuck, that rig is cool. I was wondering how you kept the camera trained on the subject. Would be funny to approach making a whole vid a bit like the Fancy Lad guys, but rather than reinventing the boards, reinvent the cameras.

Regarding framerates, I think there's more than one way to do it and have it look "good". 30p with a 180° shutter usually looks good to me. 50p and even moreso 60p with a 180° shutter usually look pretty horrendous to my eye, yet those same framerates with ~60° shutter look alright. I think the higher framerates have the added benefit of making a bit of shake more tolerable. I think the shake question is compounded by the type of fisheye used, as some projection styles (especially stereographic like the Samyangs) flare out in the corners/edges, kind of like a superwide. When this happens, any movement is exaggerated. A fisheye with a tendency to compress edges can smooth out a lot of operator shake. Nevertheless, the Samyangs get a lot of FoV onscreen. This Marre & Nisse vid is one of the only times I've seen 16:9 fish lines where the head isn't constantly chopped anytime he gets in close. This makes me think the fisheye used in the vid is a Samyang rather than a Canon. It's such a different look than I'm used to that I'm surprised I'm not instantly turned off by it.

[bataaard]

most of oscar's little part is filmed at 60 with a 180° angle (1/120 longlens, 1/250 fisheye)

[OwlGreen]

Well shit, I guess I gotta rethink my preconceptions. I suppose whether the camera sensor in question is global or rolling shuttered has a non-zero affect on the overall look of a given framerate and shutter speed. Maybe.

[CossRooper]

DM Fritte like a man

But for real, the vid looks incredible, he has such a unique style it's insane. If its really the samyang that's like a $1000 setup basically. Unbelievable what he can squeeze out of it.

Also it's gotta be stabilized in post right ? unless he's got gimbals for limbs

[gsosa]

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If you had to guess, would you say this is a Samyang 8mm or Canon 8-15mm? I feel like the image gets a little bit expanded in the corners, which I thought was a hallmark of the Samyangs, but maybe the Canon does that, too.

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no idea about that

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I had to double check the framerate because it looked so smooth. Almost expected it to be 50 or 60p. Dude keeps things remarkably steady even when changing directions. On some eyes-in-the-back-of-your-head shit.

[close]

It looks smooth because he uses the proper shutter speed related to his final framerate export. Many people crank that shutter really high which gives jittery footage. Video doesn't fully work like photo, there are more intricacies since you shoot multiple frames a second.

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Sidenote; other day I watched that Oscar Candon part you made with the Brigitte Fontaine song. Genuinely great. How did you manage those ultra slow-mo b-roll shots, if you don't mind me asking? Were you flip tossing an RX100V in the air? And then Twixtor? Or rather a Chronos? Or a Phantom Miro? It looked good.

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thanks ! the ax700 has a slowmotion burst setting: no sound, you can record something like 7 seconds once you press record. I believe i shot around 500fps.
we (mostly Oscar) built a diy rig you can see on slide 5:

He took some bearings off his board to include in the rig. No skating for him that day.

[close]

Fuck, that rig is cool. I was wondering how you kept the camera trained on the subject. Would be funny to approach making a whole vid a bit like the Fancy Lad guys, but rather than reinventing the boards, reinvent the cameras.

Regarding framerates, I think there's more than one way to do it and have it look "good". 30p with a 180° shutter usually looks good to me. 50p and even moreso 60p with a 180° shutter usually look pretty horrendous to my eye, yet those same framerates with ~60° shutter look alright. I think the higher framerates have the added benefit of making a bit of shake more tolerable. I think the shake question is compounded by the type of fisheye used, as some projection styles (especially stereographic like the Samyangs) flare out in the corners/edges, kind of like a superwide. When this happens, any movement is exaggerated. A fisheye with a tendency to compress edges can smooth out a lot of operator shake. Nevertheless, the Samyangs get a lot of FoV onscreen. This Marre & Nisse vid is one of the only times I've seen 16:9 fish lines where the head isn't constantly chopped anytime he gets in close. This makes me think the fisheye used in the vid is a Samyang rather than a Canon. It's such a different look than I'm used to that I'm surprised I'm not instantly turned off by it.

What would you say is the framerate that would look good with while filming at 60p? (I'm asking as a friend)

DM Fritte like a man

But for real, the vid looks incredible, he has such a unique style it's insane. If its really the samyang that's like a $1000 setup basically. Unbelievable what he can squeeze out of it.

Also it's gotta be stabilized in post right ? unless he's got gimbals for limbs

Oh you mean a limbal? haha

[OwlGreen]

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If you had to guess, would you say this is a Samyang 8mm or Canon 8-15mm? I feel like the image gets a little bit expanded in the corners, which I thought was a hallmark of the Samyangs, but maybe the Canon does that, too.

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no idea about that

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I had to double check the framerate because it looked so smooth. Almost expected it to be 50 or 60p. Dude keeps things remarkably steady even when changing directions. On some eyes-in-the-back-of-your-head shit.

[close]

It looks smooth because he uses the proper shutter speed related to his final framerate export. Many people crank that shutter really high which gives jittery footage. Video doesn't fully work like photo, there are more intricacies since you shoot multiple frames a second.

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Sidenote; other day I watched that Oscar Candon part you made with the Brigitte Fontaine song. Genuinely great. How did you manage those ultra slow-mo b-roll shots, if you don't mind me asking? Were you flip tossing an RX100V in the air? And then Twixtor? Or rather a Chronos? Or a Phantom Miro? It looked good.

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thanks ! the ax700 has a slowmotion burst setting: no sound, you can record something like 7 seconds once you press record. I believe i shot around 500fps.
we (mostly Oscar) built a diy rig you can see on slide 5:

He took some bearings off his board to include in the rig. No skating for him that day.

[close]

Fuck, that rig is cool. I was wondering how you kept the camera trained on the subject. Would be funny to approach making a whole vid a bit like the Fancy Lad guys, but rather than reinventing the boards, reinvent the cameras.

Regarding framerates, I think there's more than one way to do it and have it look "good". 30p with a 180° shutter usually looks good to me. 50p and even moreso 60p with a 180° shutter usually look pretty horrendous to my eye, yet those same framerates with ~60° shutter look alright. I think the higher framerates have the added benefit of making a bit of shake more tolerable. I think the shake question is compounded by the type of fisheye used, as some projection styles (especially stereographic like the Samyangs) flare out in the corners/edges, kind of like a superwide. When this happens, any movement is exaggerated. A fisheye with a tendency to compress edges can smooth out a lot of operator shake. Nevertheless, the Samyangs get a lot of FoV onscreen. This Marre & Nisse vid is one of the only times I've seen 16:9 fish lines where the head isn't constantly chopped anytime he gets in close. This makes me think the fisheye used in the vid is a Samyang rather than a Canon. It's such a different look than I'm used to that I'm surprised I'm not instantly turned off by it.

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What would you say is the framerate that would look good with while filming at 60p? (I'm asking as a friend)

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DM Fritte like a man

But for real, the vid looks incredible, he has such a unique style it's insane. If its really the samyang that's like a $1000 setup basically. Unbelievable what he can squeeze out of it.

Also it's gotta be stabilized in post right ? unless he's got gimbals for limbs

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Oh you mean a limbal? haha

Try shooting 1/250s and faster with 60p and see how you like it.

[brbr]

To achieve Fritte's look, it would be around 1/125 at 60p. You can see a lot of motion blur when pausing the image

[OwlGreen]

To achieve Fritte's look, it would be around 1/125 at 60p. You can see a lot of motion blur when pausing the image

But this Fritte vid is 30p...

[gsosa]

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To achieve Fritte's look, it would be around 1/125 at 60p. You can see a lot of motion blur when pausing the image

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But this Fritte vid is 30p...

This is my curiosity because I usually film at 60p but export at 30. Usually I film at 1/125 or up to 1/250 at 60p, and it looks good but I was wondering of there was any special recommendation or something

[brbr]

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To achieve Fritte's look, it would be around 1/125 at 60p. You can see a lot of motion blur when pausing the image

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But this Fritte vid is 30p...

filmed at 60p but exported at 30p

[radcunt]

Man that guy can film!  The footage is super contrasty and blown out highlights but it looks cool

[YEAH HOE!]

I saw him last winter, and if I remember well he had a gh5 + rode videomic + speedbooster and canon 8-15 for a specific project but told me he prefer using the samyang 8mm
and for longlens a HC-X1000

you need to be very good to make that setup look good imo, with most filmers it would look bad

Is there a huge difference between the native Samyang 7.5mm and EF Samyang 8mm? I'm guessing that's GH5 > Adapter > EF 8mm?