8.38 dreamer shape?

[theloniousmonk]

I’ve been interested in 8.38’s lately and saw someone referencing the an 8.38” peoples as the dreamer shape.
Thinking it is a dlx shape I google searched 8.38 dreamer and a few non dlx companies and decks came up, all using some kind of dream or dreamer reference in that size.
Why so so many call the 8.38 a dreamer?

[Mbrimson88]

I’ve been interested in 8.38’s lately and saw someone referencing the an 8.38” peoples as the dreamer shape.
Thinking it is a dlx shape I google searched 8.38 dreamer and a few non dlx companies and decks came up, all using some kind of dream or dreamer reference in that size.
Why so so many call the 8.38 a dreamer?

Who knows?!?

But yes that same shape that DLX has 8.38 x 32.2 with 14.5 wb or very similar overall dimensions has been used or is still being used by a number of companies, as I have the same boards from DLX, Birdhouse, Baker, Deathwish, Element, DGK and more I can't think of at this time, but there might have been well over ten different brands who all use BBS who had that same shape in their lineup.

To note, a few of the brands have slightly different listing info - Baker lists it as 32 long, Birdhouse as 32.1, DLX as 32.25 and so on but when lined up they were all the same shape anyway.

Overall it is a slightly longer wheelbase than the usual 8.38s which have others with 14.38 wb on the Generator shape, Polar, Passport and a number of others, but then some 8.38 boards have even shorter boards at 8.38 x 31.7 with 14.25 wb as per a few I have seen, all from BBS at any rate.

Then all the other shapes and options from other woodshops too, but I almost think 8.38 is the new 8.25 and is more commonly the size that more people are asking for now too.

[Rick Trapasso]

Longer wheelbase, longer length, and more mellow concave are what set it apart.

I love it and have ridden several of them, it's my home base deck.

I try other shit here and there. But that is my baseline for what I generally am looking for in a deck.

[handsclapanin]

I thought the dreamer shape is the dlx 8.38 x 14.25 WB. Usually reserved for Mike Anderson Krooked boards.
8.38 x 14.5 is just the “normal” 8.38 shape.

[DarkPools]

I thought the dreamer shape is the dlx 8.38 x 14.25 WB. Usually reserved for Mike Anderson Krooked boards.
8.38 x 14.5 is just the “normal” 8.38 shape.

Mike Anderson's is the 8.4 shape, not the Dreamer/8.38 (i know it looks like I'm nitpicking but they're actually different shapes) Dreamer has typically been an 8.38 shape from DLX.

8.38x14.5 is a standard 8.38 shape. I don't know much about the Dreamer shape beyond it being for pro models

[Rick Trapasso]

I thought Mike Andersons was an 8.38 with a slightly shorter wheelbase just called the "manderson" shape?

I could be wrong, but I thought the "dreamer" was just a nickname for the standard 8.38 14.5wb shape?

Def willing to accept defeat on that one if so, as it's just an assumption I've drawn from reading shit on here over the years. Sorry if I have misinformed anyone on accident here.

[Chalupa]

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I thought the dreamer shape is the dlx 8.38 x 14.25 WB. Usually reserved for Mike Anderson Krooked boards.
8.38 x 14.5 is just the “normal” 8.38 shape.

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Mike Anderson's is the 8.4 shape, not the Dreamer/8.38 (i know it looks like I'm nitpicking but they're actually different shapes) Dreamer has typically been an 8.38 shape from DLX.

8.38x14.5 is a standard 8.38 shape. I don't know much about the Dreamer shape beyond it being for pro models

The Mike Anderson shape is the 8.38” with 14.25” wheelbase that has a squarish nose.

The 8.38” with 14.5” is what is referred to as the Dreamer shape. People have said that Julien Stranger came up with that shape, and Busenitz skates either that or the 8.38” Full SE. Also, it’s available as a team logo deck for Real, but only in the Easy Rider molds for AH and Krooked.

[Rick Trapasso]

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I thought the dreamer shape is the dlx 8.38 x 14.25 WB. Usually reserved for Mike Anderson Krooked boards.
8.38 x 14.5 is just the “normal” 8.38 shape.

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Mike Anderson's is the 8.4 shape, not the Dreamer/8.38 (i know it looks like I'm nitpicking but they're actually different shapes) Dreamer has typically been an 8.38 shape from DLX.

8.38x14.5 is a standard 8.38 shape. I don't know much about the Dreamer shape beyond it being for pro models

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The Mike Anderson shape is the 8.38” with 14.25” wheelbase that has a squarish nose.

The 8.38” with 14.5” is what is referred to as the Dreamer shape. People have said that Julien Stranger came up with that shape, and Busenitz skates either that or the 8.38” Full SE. Also, it’s available as a team logo deck for Real, but only in the Easy Rider molds for AH and Krooked.

Ok cool, haha thought I was losing it there for a minute.

[Mbrimson88]

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Just putting 8.38 dreamer deck in google, it is funny how many other boards come up, besides the DLX board, including Birdhouse, Limosine dream in the deck name 8.38 x 31.7 with 14.0 wb as well as others.

DLX have had that shape for a long time now, initially listed as 32.45 or something similar on the older catalogs, but it was still the same board, when I checked one I got back in 2012 or whenever it was - shop stock that didn't sell and ended up on a wall for ages.

Then I guess a bit later, they had called it Dreamer, or at least had it on a number of the listings with the words DREAMER for the 8.38 x 32.25 with 14.5 wb such as this one, with the shape being widely used across all their brands - AH, Real, Krooked, Unity and There decks:


https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2023/rs-sp23-d2-ff-02.png




As said, the Manderson deck or Manderson shape is 8.38 x 32 with 14.25 wb and is also regularly listed on Krooked catalogs.


https://krookedskateboarding.com/summer25/06-kr-sm25-d1-mike-capsule.jpg

[theloniousmonk]

Damn thanks for all the replies in this thread @Rick Trapasso @Mbrimson88 @Chalupa @DarkPools @handsclapanin
It seems like this shape has some great, dreamlike qualities: possibly mellower, longer wheelbase than I usually ride, designed by Julien Stranger, 6.75 tail, that I think I’ll like.

The local has the dreamer anti hero Matthews p2 judgement day deck, so supporting a Chicago pro and the local is a no brainer. I’ll grab one next week if it’s. 3 or 4 press and get it set up.

Thanks for the help on this shape.

[Murge]

I have a baker T funk that I’ve had on ice for around 4 years. It’s 8.38x14.5x32ish. I love 8.38 but kept putting this off because of the 14.5 wheel base.  This threads making me debate setting it up next.  But I don’t get is this shape beneficial in anyway?

[JM]

I had the same question back in 2023 what the heck Dreamer meant. The responses were something like “no one knows.” Ha
The thing about Julien is kind of cool, though. I don’t remember hearing that back then.

It used to be easier to see old catalogue pages, but I was able to google search for just “real skateboards summer 2019”.

And 2022 showed up.

Anyways… here’s an image from that catalogue.

[Sedition]

It seems like this shape has some great, dreamlike qualities: possibly mellower, longer wheelbase than I usually ride, designed by Julien Stranger, 6.75 tail, that I think I’ll like.

The 8.38/14.5 does NOT have a 6.75 tail. If anything, it's like 6.437.  Also, since the tail on it is rounded and slightly pointy, it feels much smaller than the tail on something like 8.25/14.38.

[Rick Trapasso]

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It seems like this shape has some great, dreamlike qualities: possibly mellower, longer wheelbase than I usually ride, designed by Julien Stranger, 6.75 tail, that I think I’ll like.

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The 8.38/14.5 does NOT have a 6.75 tail. If anything, it's like 6.437.  Also, since the tail on it is rounded and slightly pointy, it feels much smaller than the tail on something like 8.25/14.38.

Yea, short tail for sure on the dreamer. Both kicks are fairly pointy as well, especially compared to many modern popsicles.

Not like a 90s shape or anything, but the kicks def have a solid amount of taper.

I like the way is looks and feels though. Super full kicks in comparison make my board feel heavier and flip slower imo

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It seems like this shape has some great, dreamlike qualities: possibly mellower, longer wheelbase than I usually ride, designed by Julien Stranger, 6.75 tail, that I think I’ll like.

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The 8.38/14.5 does NOT have a 6.75 tail. If anything, it's like 6.437.  Also, since the tail on it is rounded and slightly pointy, it feels much smaller than the tail on something like 8.25/14.38.

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Yea, short tail for sure on the dreamer. Both kicks are fairly pointy as well, especially compared to many modern popsicles.

Not like a 90s shape or anything, but the kicks def have a solid amount of taper.

I like the way is looks and feels though. Super full kicks in comparison make my board feel heavier and flip slower imo

Julien’s setup will always be interesting to me.

The description of the nose/tail shape, and the shorter tail length, have me interested.
when i’m skating a smaller board, i like a more full shape, and then narrower nose/tail on a wider board is really useful for me as well.
great. another board that is ‘too big’ for me, that i know want

[Rick Trapasso]

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It seems like this shape has some great, dreamlike qualities: possibly mellower, longer wheelbase than I usually ride, designed by Julien Stranger, 6.75 tail, that I think I’ll like.

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The 8.38/14.5 does NOT have a 6.75 tail. If anything, it's like 6.437.  Also, since the tail on it is rounded and slightly pointy, it feels much smaller than the tail on something like 8.25/14.38.

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Yea, short tail for sure on the dreamer. Both kicks are fairly pointy as well, especially compared to many modern popsicles.

Not like a 90s shape or anything, but the kicks def have a solid amount of taper.

I like the way is looks and feels though. Super full kicks in comparison make my board feel heavier and flip slower imo

[close]

Julien’s setup will always be interesting to me.

The description of the nose/tail shape, and the shorter tail length, have me interested.
when i’m skating a smaller board, i like a more full shape, and then narrower nose/tail on a wider board is really useful for me as well.
great. another board that is ‘too big’ for me, that i know want

Give it a shot! Can usually find the olive eagle or other team graphics in the dreamer shape for a few bucks cheaper than a pro model.

However, I will suggest you inspect those for warping if possible before buying. I think because they make so many of them, some of them sit for a while and warp.

I've had 3 olive eagles warp on me in the past year. Could've happened before, could've happened after I got them, idk. Just an observation.

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It seems like this shape has some great, dreamlike qualities: possibly mellower, longer wheelbase than I usually ride, designed by Julien Stranger, 6.75 tail, that I think I’ll like.

[close]

The 8.38/14.5 does NOT have a 6.75 tail. If anything, it's like 6.437.  Also, since the tail on it is rounded and slightly pointy, it feels much smaller than the tail on something like 8.25/14.38.

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Yea, short tail for sure on the dreamer. Both kicks are fairly pointy as well, especially compared to many modern popsicles.

Not like a 90s shape or anything, but the kicks def have a solid amount of taper.

I like the way is looks and feels though. Super full kicks in comparison make my board feel heavier and flip slower imo

[close]

Julien’s setup will always be interesting to me.

The description of the nose/tail shape, and the shorter tail length, have me interested.
when i’m skating a smaller board, i like a more full shape, and then narrower nose/tail on a wider board is really useful for me as well.
great. another board that is ‘too big’ for me, that i know want

[close]

Give it a shot! Can usually find the olive eagle or other team graphics in the dreamer shape for a few bucks cheaper than a pro model.

However, I will suggest you inspect those for warping if possible before buying. I think because they make so many of them, some of them sit for a while and warp.

I've had 3 olive eagles warp on me in the past year. Could've happened before, could've happened after I got them, idk. Just an observation.

wait.
is the olive eagle the same as the dreamer?

[Rick Trapasso]

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It seems like this shape has some great, dreamlike qualities: possibly mellower, longer wheelbase than I usually ride, designed by Julien Stranger, 6.75 tail, that I think I’ll like.

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The 8.38/14.5 does NOT have a 6.75 tail. If anything, it's like 6.437.  Also, since the tail on it is rounded and slightly pointy, it feels much smaller than the tail on something like 8.25/14.38.

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Yea, short tail for sure on the dreamer. Both kicks are fairly pointy as well, especially compared to many modern popsicles.

Not like a 90s shape or anything, but the kicks def have a solid amount of taper.

I like the way is looks and feels though. Super full kicks in comparison make my board feel heavier and flip slower imo

[close]

Julien’s setup will always be interesting to me.

The description of the nose/tail shape, and the shorter tail length, have me interested.
when i’m skating a smaller board, i like a more full shape, and then narrower nose/tail on a wider board is really useful for me as well.
great. another board that is ‘too big’ for me, that i know want

[close]

Give it a shot! Can usually find the olive eagle or other team graphics in the dreamer shape for a few bucks cheaper than a pro model.

However, I will suggest you inspect those for warping if possible before buying. I think because they make so many of them, some of them sit for a while and warp.

I've had 3 olive eagles warp on me in the past year. Could've happened before, could've happened after I got them, idk. Just an observation.

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wait.
is the olive eagle the same as the dreamer?

Yes 8.38 14.5 32.25

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It seems like this shape has some great, dreamlike qualities: possibly mellower, longer wheelbase than I usually ride, designed by Julien Stranger, 6.75 tail, that I think I’ll like.

[close]

The 8.38/14.5 does NOT have a 6.75 tail. If anything, it's like 6.437.  Also, since the tail on it is rounded and slightly pointy, it feels much smaller than the tail on something like 8.25/14.38.

[close]

Yea, short tail for sure on the dreamer. Both kicks are fairly pointy as well, especially compared to many modern popsicles.

Not like a 90s shape or anything, but the kicks def have a solid amount of taper.

I like the way is looks and feels though. Super full kicks in comparison make my board feel heavier and flip slower imo

[close]

Julien’s setup will always be interesting to me.

The description of the nose/tail shape, and the shorter tail length, have me interested.
when i’m skating a smaller board, i like a more full shape, and then narrower nose/tail on a wider board is really useful for me as well.
great. another board that is ‘too big’ for me, that i know want

[close]

Give it a shot! Can usually find the olive eagle or other team graphics in the dreamer shape for a few bucks cheaper than a pro model.

However, I will suggest you inspect those for warping if possible before buying. I think because they make so many of them, some of them sit for a while and warp.

I've had 3 olive eagles warp on me in the past year. Could've happened before, could've happened after I got them, idk. Just an observation.

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wait.
is the olive eagle the same as the dreamer?

[close]

Yes 8.38 14.5 32.25

huh.
well that’s weird.

i have the olive eagle, flattest one. everything about it i should like.
i have really not liked it so far. not sure why.
probably because i’ve tried it with some dumbass truck combos: v8 pulled in, and ace classic 55s. love the way it looks. hate the ollie.

[Rick Trapasso]

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It seems like this shape has some great, dreamlike qualities: possibly mellower, longer wheelbase than I usually ride, designed by Julien Stranger, 6.75 tail, that I think I’ll like.

[close]

The 8.38/14.5 does NOT have a 6.75 tail. If anything, it's like 6.437.  Also, since the tail on it is rounded and slightly pointy, it feels much smaller than the tail on something like 8.25/14.38.

[close]

Yea, short tail for sure on the dreamer. Both kicks are fairly pointy as well, especially compared to many modern popsicles.

Not like a 90s shape or anything, but the kicks def have a solid amount of taper.

I like the way is looks and feels though. Super full kicks in comparison make my board feel heavier and flip slower imo

[close]

Julien’s setup will always be interesting to me.

The description of the nose/tail shape, and the shorter tail length, have me interested.
when i’m skating a smaller board, i like a more full shape, and then narrower nose/tail on a wider board is really useful for me as well.
great. another board that is ‘too big’ for me, that i know want

[close]

Give it a shot! Can usually find the olive eagle or other team graphics in the dreamer shape for a few bucks cheaper than a pro model.

However, I will suggest you inspect those for warping if possible before buying. I think because they make so many of them, some of them sit for a while and warp.

I've had 3 olive eagles warp on me in the past year. Could've happened before, could've happened after I got them, idk. Just an observation.

[close]

wait.
is the olive eagle the same as the dreamer?

[close]

Yes 8.38 14.5 32.25

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huh.
well that’s weird.

i have the olive eagle, flattest one. everything about it i should like.
i have really not liked it so far. not sure why.
probably because i’ve tried it with some dumbass truck combos: v8 pulled in, and ace classic 55s. love the way it looks. hate the ollie.

I like Indys (standard or forged) and standard thunders on it.

I haven't tried lurpiv or Slappy's on it, but I imagine I'd like those too.

Possibly T2s but maybe not since the wb is so tight on those. Haven't tried them either.

[DarkPools]

I've had a few Manderson decks in the past and I recall them saying "8.4" on the label. Maybe they changed the sticker/label or the shop i bought from rounded the specs on their own labeling? Either way, my bad if that was wrong info!

[Mbrimson88]

I've had a few Manderson decks in the past and I recall them saying "8.4" on the label. Maybe they changed the sticker/label or the shop i bought from rounded the specs on their own labeling? Either way, my bad if that was wrong info!

I had thought they had changed the shape a few times, but I never really had any of the previous boards besides the two variations I have now / have skated and then passed on to others.

Manderson shape does have a longer tail, which I liked, as well as being closer to 8.5 than 8.3 if we were really getting picky with measurements, but also as others have said, it has a much more full shape overall, so when I sit anything else over it, I can see the corners of the kicks sticking out from under the rounder board on top.


There is also the other 8.4 which is not as wide, oddly enough, which is 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb, which are the same overall dimensions, but the board is a hair thinner overall and very much a "regular" shape, so not full at all. 

If anything the 8.4 shape would be closer to the 8.38 true width, but I think that would be jumping down a rabbit hole we really don't want to go down here and now.  It also has a slightly longer tail than a few others, which again, I thought worked on setups I have had it on in the past.


Now to get back to the original 8.38 x 32.25 with 14.5 wb, I have had more of them than I can count, literally, with way too many more ready to go of that shape, so I am set for the long haul "til the very end" or so it goes.  I even found it interesting that as my usual preference of IV stamp and the most mellow versions of any of them, I have been riding any and all stamps with different combos, which I will list rather than add into paragraphs:


- the double drilled or V8 trucks work best on I, II and steeper boards - my DIY V8 Indy trucks, as well as DIY Venture and modified Thunders too, everything brought in a bit but not fully 1/4 each for the most part.

- Thunder T-II also work well on steeper versions for me on ramp / transition, but I do get a bit of ghost pop on park and flat until I am really warmed up, with a more mellow board on T-II being excellent on park and street for my normal skating so far, or the more lazy sessions.

- Indy standards worked great on the most mellow 8.38 boards, for the last five or more years, which has been my go to, but the tails are a bit short for transition / blunt tricks for my liking, but everything else works fine.

- Ace also work well on any of these boards, to bring the wheelbase in and lengthen the kicks slightly, but I don't have any Ace trucks on my 8.38 setups currently.


Overall, the 8.38 has about a 7" nose and a 6.5" tail, even though almost every 8.38 DLX board up on a certain site right now seems to have some sort of incorrect dimensions listed, but I did find one that I would agree with:


https://www.tactics.com/real/team-classic-oval-838-skateboard-deck/white

Size   8.38

Width (in): 8.38
Length (in): 32.25
Wheelbase (in):   14.5
Nose Length (in): 7.0
Tail Length (in):   6.5


* Note 6.5" tail is the industry norm, so it really is very much on average, as per the 7" nose and you could say even the 32.25 length, with the 14.5 wb being slightly longer than the industry average for that width board, which is closer to 14.38 or 14.375 when comparing a lot of different boards.  That is why I shift my back truck in ever so slightly, just to have a slightly longer tail and slightly shorter wheelbase, but I guess that is also a whole other story right there, so should leave it at that and say good night.