Mac vs PC

[Baron Samedi]

I think the one thing everybody can agree on is Apple stores are one of the worst place in the world to be.

I was in the one in San Jose and I saw what must have been a 7-foot tall Mac Genius holding an iPad like it was an iPhone and greeting (scaring) people at the door. That was pretty awesome.

[augustmoon]

i use my computer mainly for music production/recording and occasional djing.  i tried doing this with a PC laptop for about a week before i returned it.  felt like throwing it against a wall.  music programs just didn't work correctly on it.  i went back to mac, and never will i leave again.  with mac, i turn it on and it does what i want it to do without any bullshit.  i guess that's worth a few extra bucks for me.

what isn't worth a few extra bucks, is apple's trend of fucking with their customer base.  they take it for granted that people are loyal to their company, and take every chance to wring us dry.  i've had my newest macbook pro for about 8 months, and i've already had several screws fall out of it, as well as the charger shitting the bed.  i think the newer macbooks don't even have replaceable batteries, so i guess your supposed to just throw them away and buy a new one when the battery dies.  too much bullshit to be paying such a premium for, but i'm tethered to mac as long as i'm doing music.

[ciaran]

I use both for work doing motion graphics, 3D stuff & video editing, they've both got pros and cons.  For the most part, I like OS X over Windows 7 although it's downright regular how it will overwrite an existing folder when copying another folder of the same name to the same location, instead of merging the contents.    Final Cut Pro was the don a few years back, but they left that behind to release the useless turd that is Final Cut X, which turned a lot of heads, myself included, back to Premiere which now utterly kicks FCX into a sorry 3rd place.

I've built a few PC's for myself, way, way cheaper than the equivalent iMac - even my current machine, a new dual Xeon badass, comes in a couple of grand cheaper & way more powerful than the current top of the line Mac Pro which they've let rot for the moment.   Running OS X on it as a Hackintosh is a bit of a pipe dream, but as far as I know, you've got to have a specific list of motherboards, graphics cards, etc. to get it to work properly.  Linux/Ubuntu would be dope, but you can't use After Effects, PS, C4D, etc. on it unfortunately.   I have a 2008 Macbook Pro & ipad for fannying about on; the MBP is now way too old and slow for me to do any sort of high-end work on.  Cost a fair bit at the time, but it's lasted well and paid for itself many times over.   Ultimately, get a PC if you're low on cash and/or like tinkering under the hood, get a Mac if you're rubbish with computers and need them to just work for you.

But yeah, fuck all that Apple fanboy wanker smugness, queuing overnight to buy a phone, then wanking themselves to death over a portrait of Steve Jobs on the cover of Time magazine.  Cunts.  And the planned obsolescence on Apple's part on everything they produce.  Cunts.

[Sleazy]

Got given the Asus Vivo (not the Rt) and can't imagine running anything else.

asus has some sick devices. which one did you get? I was considering it but the good form factors didn't meat my minimum horse power needs.

[Sleazy]

I mean seriously, show me a complete windows desktop that looks better than this

there's tons of devices like that now and the windows one's have touch screens







and this one converts to full tablet. my daughter loves fresh paint, i'd love to have one of these for the play room.

[Tufty]

Macs really used to be superior in the past hardware-wise and software-wise. Today thats not the case except the price.

 So why professionals of music industry, architects and etc use them? Its simple they know shit about computers and they got a lot of money. Plus they insist on a habit from the past which was justifed then but now its an utter bullshit. Macs are really an overpriced piece of machinery, they just have superior marketing and price.... I dont like them and i really feel like mac users are fashion-marketing victims. Last but not least you have to hate the philosophy and way this brand moves in the market (especially the patents).

 I am a graduate electrical engineering student and i use both linux and windows 7.

 Linux are good for a professional in the field of computers-electronics because its the OS for the serious stuff in both fields. If you dont have the curiosity to figure out how a computer works and you dont have some serious job on the field dont bother with linux its too time consuming. However the open source idea alone is a very good incentive to go for Linux but patience and appetite for learning  things  is essential.

 Windows 7/XP  are ok for everyday use, not for serious stuff though.

[Fongstarr.]

I mean I own a Mac but know it's not the best but I am happy. Had 3 now and all worked fine. Resale value is shit but that is for all electronics now a days.

[A.J.K.]

Sleazy get the fuck outta here with that Lenova desk top.  All that is is a shitty copy of an Imac.

[RerouteTheDoubt]

Macs all day.."get your cake uP"

[Will Easley]

Sleazy get the fuck outta here with that Lenova desk top.  All that is is a shitty copy of an Imac.

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[Tufty]

Another important thing about PCs is DONT BUY FULL EQUIPMENT CUSTOMIZED BY OTHERS. In contrary with macs these arent always customized with the best combination of parts for various reasons. Customize your own pc from various parts and combine them to make a good computer. You will also learn some stuff. I am sure that if you do that a mac and a PC are exactly the same while pcs cost half the price from macs of the same caliber.


That is for the people who said their laptops sucked compared to macs.  

[Will Easley]

I just got a Macbook with windows office for school. Hopefully it lasts the full four years. I've had two PCs in the last two years which have been rubbish, it's mainly the battery life that diminishes too quick.

Be careful because your save files aren't the same across the two operating systems! Don't wanna be salty about to present a PowerPoint & have it not work. You can install windows thru apple boot camp if you need to save shit Ina windows format. You can find a torrent for the OS & ms office if you know how to do all that. Bootcamp just makes you put the iso file Ona flash drive & installs it straight from that. Once in windows you'll install all the hardware drivers & your good to go. It's really not as hard as I thought it'd be just make sure you get the right torrent. The one I got off piratebay installs just like windows except you don't put in the serial number when first installing & then open a exe file once in windows (it'll act as a trial) & that'll set it straight

[MFLUDER]

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I just got a Macbook with windows office for school. Hopefully it lasts the full four years. I've had two PCs in the last two years which have been rubbish, it's mainly the battery life that diminishes too quick.

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Be careful because your save files aren't the same across the two operating systems! Don't wanna be salty about to present a PowerPoint & have it not work. You can install windows thru apple boot camp if you need to save shit Ina windows format. You can find a torrent for the OS & ms office if you know how to do all that. Bootcamp just makes you put the iso file Ona flash drive & installs it straight from that. Once in windows you'll install all the hardware drivers & your good to go. It's really not as hard as I thought it'd be just make sure you get the right torrent. The one I got off piratebay installs just like windows except you don't put in the serial number when first installing & then open a exe file once in windows (it'll act as a trial) & that'll set it straight

[close]

Fuck, I'll have to look into it, I don't know how to do any of that. I have a week until my first class, I better get on it or keep my old PC. Even my old PC sucks because the last time it updated I had to reboot it because it wasn't able to fully update thanks to the battery going flat. I got someone else to do it for me because I couldn't find my windows disc, now windows office isn't even there, all my files are but no office. As you can see I don't know shit about computers, good thing everyone here does. I might be bumping this thread all next week. Thanks man.

Hey dude, just be careful because I'm pretty sure that Office will save the same extension on both PC and MAC eg .doc, .docx meaning whatever you save on let's say word on yr Mac will work on any current office ms software even if its running a different OS(pc) and will easy is dumb as fuck and leading you down the garden path. Selling MS office with a Mac, the expectation is that the suit will work between any os running MS Office, that's why people buy ms office for mac. Check your default file extension saves, to do this just save a word doc and note the extension (what's listed after . Eg .jpeg .exe .docx) and let me know. Don't try any run bootcam or parallels if you don't need to or know shit about computers. Post on here or pm me if you have any trouble with this.

[Sleazy]

Sleazy get the fuck outta here with that Lenova desk top.?  All that is is a shitty copy of an Imac.

maybe if my room looked like this



i'll take a touch screen and lower price point over that silly ass jetsons design, thanks...

[LloydChristmas]

been a windows dude for years, but just bought macbook pro, 15 inch retina, and it rules.  it's fast, portable, and reliable, the trifecta.  in my opinion they are worth the money if they are MAKING you money, like if you're using it for work or something.  i do freelance programming/design stuff, so the way i see it, i'll make my $ back from the purchase and then some. 

but i do miss my old windows programs, and I don't really know where to begin looking for comparable mac programs, it's a foreign world.   i've already spent so much on the computer, I'd hate to plunk down any more money on basic shit if i don't have to. 

mac users: what are some good free/cheap programs you recommend?  i'm talking anything here.  for starters, i want an MS Word-type program, and I'd hold off on buying the Office package if I knew of a decent cheap or free option.  i appreciate any feedback.

[poopmonkey]

just pirate ms office for mac like everyone else does, plenty of cracked versions floating around online.

I got a white macbook in 2009 when i started college. Used it almost every day for doing schoolstuff and your general music/movie pirating, websurfing etc. Hasn't crashed once in the almost 4 years i've had it. Like someone here said before, It's nice to not hav to download drivers or go too deep into the computer's system in order to get stuff done. Macs are simple, which works great for me, and it works how i want it to work. Only had tiny problems every couple of months which disappeared by resetting. But then again, it's on all day and night, i never really shut down. Using a windows pc at my internship right now, which crashes and does weird stuff all the time.

Macs are fucking expensive and the whole fanboy shit is lame, but i'm happy with mine.

Got a samsung galaxy s2 droid phone by the way, not much less user friendly than an iphone in my opinion. I guess i like my phone to be more custimizable than my computer.

[Will Easley]

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I just got a Macbook with windows office for school. Hopefully it lasts the full four years. I've had two PCs in the last two years which have been rubbish, it's mainly the battery life that diminishes too quick.

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Be careful because your save files aren't the same across the two operating systems! Don't wanna be salty about to present a PowerPoint & have it not work. You can install windows thru apple boot camp if you need to save shit Ina windows format. You can find a torrent for the OS & ms office if you know how to do all that. Bootcamp just makes you put the iso file Ona flash drive & installs it straight from that. Once in windows you'll install all the hardware drivers & your good to go. It's really not as hard as I thought it'd be just make sure you get the right torrent. The one I got off piratebay installs just like windows except you don't put in the serial number when first installing & then open a exe file once in windows (it'll act as a trial) & that'll set it straight

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Fuck, I'll have to look into it, I don't know how to do any of that. I have a week until my first class, I better get on it or keep my old PC. Even my old PC sucks because the last time it updated I had to reboot it because it wasn't able to fully update thanks to the battery going flat. I got someone else to do it for me because I couldn't find my windows disc, now windows office isn't even there, all my files are but no office. As you can see I don't know shit about computers, good thing everyone here does. I might be bumping this thread all next week. Thanks man.

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Hey dude, just be careful because I'm pretty sure that Office will save the same extension on both PC and MAC eg .doc, .docx meaning whatever you save on let's say word on yr Mac will work on any current office ms software even if its running a different OS(pc) and will easy is dumb as fuck and leading you down the garden path. Selling MS office with a Mac, the expectation is that the suit will work between any os running MS Office, that's why people buy ms office for mac. Check your default file extension saves, to do this just save a word doc and note the extension (what's listed after . Eg .jpeg .exe .docx) and let me know. Don't try any run bootcam or parallels if you don't need to or know shit about computers. Post on here or pm me if you have any trouble with this.

Lol, I'm dumb as fuck and leading him down the garden path? Sorry,jus thought I'd let him know seeing as how I have a friend in college who's actually had to do this himself. Seems a little more reliable than "I'm pretty sure it saves in the same extension despite having absolutely no real life experience with this". I wouldn't rule that possiblility out tho if I were clamy I'd just save a file on Mac and try it out at the computer lab or something. Also bootcamp and parallels are totally different. Parallels creates a fake windows environment within Mac OS while bootcamp is s built in apple utility that partitions your hard drive (you choose how much room you wanna set aside for windows) and actually installs the full OS within that partition that which give you absolutely no performance issues. I play skyrim on high graphics settings & it loads super fast, which would be impossible any other way. I basically have 2 computers in one. Before you call somebody dumb as fuck, try not to be ignorant about the situation especially when I've actually had real life experience with it.
 @ clamy just pm me if you're thinking about going thru bootcamp ill show you how to do it it's a lot easier than it sounds. Still wouldn't hurt just to test the files Ona pc tho so do your due diligence.

been a windows dude for years, but just bought macbook pro, 15 inch retina, and it rules.  it's fast, portable, and reliable, the trifecta.  in my opinion they are worth the money if they are MAKING you money, like if you're using it for work or something.  i do freelance programming/design stuff, so the way i see it, i'll make my $ back from the purchase and then some.  

but i do miss my old windows programs, and I don't really know where to begin looking for comparable mac programs, it's a foreign world.   i've already spent so much on the computer, I'd hate to plunk down any more money on basic shit if i don't have to.  

mac users: what are some good free/cheap programs you recommend?  i'm talking anything here.  for starters, i want an MS Word-type program, and I'd hold off on buying the Office package if I knew of a decent cheap or free option.  i appreciate any feedback.

Apple Pages is on the App Store for ten bucks & numbers (spreadsheet program) is the same amount. Keynote is also like PowerPoint and again goes for like $10.

[MFLUDER]

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I just got a Macbook with windows office for school. Hopefully it lasts the full four years. I've had two PCs in the last two years which have been rubbish, it's mainly the battery life that diminishes too quick.

[close]

Be careful because your save files aren't the same across the two operating systems! Don't wanna be salty about to present a PowerPoint & have it not work. You can install windows thru apple boot camp if you need to save shit Ina windows format. You can find a torrent for the OS & ms office if you know how to do all that. Bootcamp just makes you put the iso file Ona flash drive & installs it straight from that. Once in windows you'll install all the hardware drivers & your good to go. It's really not as hard as I thought it'd be just make sure you get the right torrent. The one I got off piratebay installs just like windows except you don't put in the serial number when first installing & then open a exe file once in windows (it'll act as a trial) & that'll set it straight

[close]

Fuck, I'll have to look into it, I don't know how to do any of that. I have a week until my first class, I better get on it or keep my old PC. Even my old PC sucks because the last time it updated I had to reboot it because it wasn't able to fully update thanks to the battery going flat. I got someone else to do it for me because I couldn't find my windows disc, now windows office isn't even there, all my files are but no office. As you can see I don't know shit about computers, good thing everyone here does. I might be bumping this thread all next week. Thanks man.

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Hey dude, just be careful because I'm pretty sure that Office will save the same extension on both PC and MAC eg .doc, .docx meaning whatever you save on let's say word on yr Mac will work on any current office ms software even if its running a different OS(pc) and will easy is dumb as fuck and leading you down the garden path. Selling MS office with a Mac, the expectation is that the suit will work between any os running MS Office, that's why people buy ms office for mac. Check your default file extension saves, to do this just save a word doc and note the extension (what's listed after . Eg .jpeg .exe .docx) and let me know. Don't try any run bootcam or parallels if you don't need to or know shit about computers. Post on here or pm me if you have any trouble with this.

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Lol, I'm dumb as fuck and leading him down the garden path? Sorry,jus thought I'd let him know seeing as how I have a friend in college who's actually had to do this himself. Seems a little more reliable than "I'm pretty sure it saves in the same extension despite having absolutely no real life experience with this". I wouldn't rule that possiblility out tho if I were clamy I'd just save a file on Mac and try it out at the computer lab or something. Also bootcamp and parallels are totally different. Parallels creates a fake windows environment within Mac OS while bootcamp is s built in apple utility that partitions your hard drive (you choose how much room you wanna set aside for windows) and actually installs the full OS within that partition that which give you absolutely no performance issues. I play skyrim on high graphics settings & it loads super fast, which would be impossible any other way. I basically have 2 computers in one. Before you call somebody dumb as fuck, try not to be ignorant about the situation especially when I've actually had real life experience with it.
 @ clamy just pm me if you're thinking about going thru bootcamp ill show you how to do it it's a lot easier than it sounds. Still wouldn't hurt just to test the files Ona pc tho so do your due diligence.

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been a windows dude for years, but just bought macbook pro, 15 inch retina, and it rules. ? it's fast, portable, and reliable, the trifecta. ? in my opinion they are worth the money if they are MAKING you money, like if you're using it for work or something. ? i do freelance programming/design stuff, so the way i see it, i'll make my $ back from the purchase and then some. ? 

but i do miss my old windows programs, and I don't really know where to begin looking for comparable mac programs, it's a foreign world. ?  i've already spent so much on the computer, I'd hate to plunk down any more money on basic shit if i don't have to. ? 

mac users: what are some good free/cheap programs you recommend? ? i'm talking anything here. ? for starters, i want an MS Word-type program, and I'd hold off on buying the Office package if I knew of a decent cheap or free option. ? i appreciate any feedback.

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Apple Pages is on the App Store for ten bucks & numbers (spreadsheet program) is the same amount. Keynote is also like PowerPoint and again goes for like $10.

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Yr just some some kid who's mum bought them a mac for Xmas. I'm not going to waste my time on you.

[Will Easley]

^ I'm 19 years old & mom died last September. I work full time & pay for all my own shit. How convient of you to pull the "im not gonna argue with some spoiled kid" card when you were in fact, salty for coming at me despite not knowing what the fuck you were talking about compared to my actual real life experience with the topic at hand

[The Ghost of Lenny Kirk]

Tabletwise ipads are killer. Ive had an ipad 2 since it came out and its still as good as the day i got it. It also takes the worst beatings. I dropped it once straight on the headphone jack and my headphone's connector bent instead of the ipads jack. Its worth the money.

[swagdragon123]

Whenever I use a PC I feel like I always have a tiny head ache in the back of my head. Apple bridged the gap between people and their computers.

[JamesNtheGntPch]

I'm running a 2005 PowerBook G4 and it's still alright.  It has some dent and can't handle some video media online because of the PowerPC processor's incompatibility with some plug-ins and the size of HD footage, but I can deal with it for now.  I'm pretty amazed that it is still chugging along as well as it is.  I have a good amount of adobe programs on it from CS to CS4.

I'm planning on upgrading once I am out of school and no longer have access to the computer labs with modern equipment.  In school I use a PC for the majority of my work, sooo I might go for a PC next. 

[sexualhelon]

Aight, I'm curious where everybody is at these days because I'm thinking of switching. Apple was meh before the M chips but now the battery life/efficiency compared to Windows PC's is wild. The problem is with windows OS though, tbh.

Currently testing and debating between these two:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-zenbook-14-14-fhd-oled-touch-screen-laptop-intel-core-ultra-9-32gb-ram-1tb-ssd-jasper-gray/6615729.p?skuId=6615729 vs https://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-macbook-air-13-inch-laptop-apple-m4-chip-built-for-apple-intelligence-16gb-memory-256gb-ssd-midnight/6565862.p?skuId=6565862

My thoughts:

Mac: Feels more premium in hand, better build quality (not by a ton). Better keyboard on the laptop ( I'm usually using an external one though). Retina screen has higher resolution. Battery life is better. 512gb ssd, 16gb ram, 13 inch screen.

Asus: Wins in specs - 1 tb ssd, 32gb ram, 14 inch screen. Screen is touch, folds 90 degrees so it can be flat on the table - not sure of it's use case for me. It's an FHD+ OLED screen so deeper blacks, more vibrant colors. Has WSL, better for gaming.

I did run a test - Just streaming 2k vid the Mac got 23 hours (out of 24 advertised). Asus got 14 out of the "up to 18" advertised.

[neonbrown]

At this point, I don't see how there's any debate. Mac's sub-$1000 laptops just blow everything else out of the water in terms of fit, finish, appeal, battery life, security, etc. Aside from gaming, the only place it comes up short is the raw specs, which isn't really an issue for ~90% of users.

FWIW I am a professional h4x0r and I do nearly every single bit of work on a MacBook Air with the M3, and only use a Windows to get behind my company's corporate firewall via their mandatory endpoint. With a free license from VMWare for Fusion, I can run Kali, Arch, Win11, Win10, etc. seamlessly on my machine. If I weren't a cheapskate, I'd shell out the yearly cost for Parallels, and it'd work even better and easier. I think Parallels does better gaming than VMWare, but I've not tested that.

My only compliant is that I wish I had sprung for the bigger hard drive, but this is where Mac gets you, and suddenly the sub-$1000 computer starts to stack up poorly to the competition on price.

[JoseCansnake0]

Been on an macbook air for like 3 years, only shortcuts I know are copy and paste. Shits sick

[RoaryMcTwang]

At this point, I don't see how there's any debate. Mac's sub-$1000 laptops just blow everything else out of the water in terms of fit, finish, appeal, battery life, security, etc. Aside from gaming, the only place it comes up short is the raw specs, which isn't really an issue for ~90% of users.

FWIW I am a professional h4x0r and I do nearly every single bit of work on a MacBook Air with the M3, and only use a Windows to get behind my company's corporate firewall via their mandatory endpoint. With a free license from VMWare for Fusion, I can run Kali, Arch, Win11, Win10, etc. seamlessly on my machine. If I weren't a cheapskate, I'd shell out the yearly cost for Parallels, and it'd work even better and easier. I think Parallels does better gaming than VMWare, but I've not tested that.

This. No contest.

[Scab Picker]

Aight, I'm curious where everybody is at these days because I'm thinking of switching. Apple was meh before the M chips but now the battery life/efficiency compared to Windows PC's is wild. The problem is with windows OS though, tbh.

Currently testing and debating between these two:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-zenbook-14-14-fhd-oled-touch-screen-laptop-intel-core-ultra-9-32gb-ram-1tb-ssd-jasper-gray/6615729.p?skuId=6615729 vs https://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-macbook-air-13-inch-laptop-apple-m4-chip-built-for-apple-intelligence-16gb-memory-256gb-ssd-midnight/6565862.p?skuId=6565862

My thoughts:

Mac: Feels more premium in hand, better build quality (not by a ton). Better keyboard on the laptop ( I'm usually using an external one though). Retina screen has higher resolution. Battery life is better. 512gb ssd, 16gb ram, 13 inch screen.

Asus: Wins in specs - 1 tb ssd, 32gb ram, 14 inch screen. Screen is touch, folds 90 degrees so it can be flat on the table - not sure of it's use case for me. It's an FHD+ OLED screen so deeper blacks, more vibrant colors. Has WSL, better for gaming.

I did run a test - Just streaming 2k vid the Mac got 23 hours (out of 24 advertised). Asus got 14 out of the "up to 18" advertised.

I would go for the MacBook unless you have software that is exclusive to Windows. Currently, I have a MacBook Pro with a M4 Pro chip. On average, I only have to charge it once per week. The only time I don’t use it is when running AutoCAD because it’s installed on my gaming laptop that I use for engineering work.

If you aren’t trying to game or run Windows-exclusive software, a Mac will be a better option. You get better battery life and have less of a chance of getting viruses. It might be a bit pricy, but they can be used until Apple discontinues software, as long as you don’t frequently drop your MacBook. Don’t get an Air if you constantly run multiple applications at once because there is no fan.

Amazon has deals on Apple products because of Prime Day sales. I hate Amazon, but some of the deals are cheaper than the deals from the Apple education store.

[GnarAlarm]

2020 MacBook Pro for work, 2019 MacBook Pro at home, girlfriend has an Air, both have iPhones.
Also have an entry level gaming PC that a friend built for me, I don't know much about it.

[Unkle Fleak]

I’m a 4 ever Mac guy. But I only have an iPhone rn.

I do have a 17” Mac book pro in the closet that has been dead for a while. But the windows based laptop I got might as well be dead.

[Abyss1]

Been a PC user for 30+ yrs...the one time in 1996 I got an Apple I loved it, but once it broke 6 months later I couldn't fix it.

Apples steadily closed out their ecosystem for right to repair and modification.  Also if you're playing video games, laptops are the right tools..they are probably best for workstation applications, but I can bet that my $2000 custom built PC with a high end Nvidia GPU will always outperform a Mac. 

But back in the early 2000s Apple used to market their computers to artists and so I've known artists who only fuck with Apple/ Macs...and Im not mad at that