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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4620 on: December 25, 2022, 10:00:28 AM »
I dabble with Lil Smokies on 90s inspired set ups on smooth flat and curbs only. They've helped me (re)learn some flip tricks but I am not paying premium price for them and they will likely only last me one deck.

Anything below 52mm is a novelty for that purpose only for me. I'm typically on 54mms and 58mms for big bowls.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4621 on: December 25, 2022, 12:05:11 PM »
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On smooth ground small wheels are just as fast as big ones, I ran a set of Lil Smokies down to 44 mm and would have been happy to keep them if it wasn‘t for the crusty spots that were getting cumbersome to navigate. I run 52 mm wheels now and struggle with ghost pop since I am not used to be that high above the ground anymore.
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Thanks for the info, will look into it in the future.

I got over my ghost pop frustration slump by skating the same truck/wheel setup consistently; I found if i stuck to a pair of trucks and wheels for an entire year or so I dont have that problem at all anymore (unless im tired). Idk tho
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Yes I have been changing a few parameters on my setup lately, bigger wheels, forged hollows instead of hollows, and it has completely messed up my pop. Need to settle down and adjust to it now.

However, I have planned to size down from 8.5 to 8.38 on my next set up so that will take readjusting again.

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Seems like more and more shops carrying Lil Smokies for between $20 and $30 if you do some googling... Def worth trying for that price for all your Nineties Needs.
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does it really make a difference in speed when you are skating on smooth ground? like for example I skate 55+ mm, but if i were to get 50mm smokies and skate a ledge in a tennis court, would it really feel slower compared to skating 55+ on same terrain/obstacle?

Id love to have a 8.25/149 thunder/50mm court setup one day
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I definitely notice it, but it’s more that they don’t carry speed. I got frustrated with the 50mm 99A F4 Classics on my Huffer feeling slow even at the park, so I went to the 101A Lil’ Smokies. The harder wheels are better if they’re that small in my opinion, and I only use them on very nice ground.
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I was surprised how long I managed to keep the Lil Smokies and also ride them in relatively rough spots. I also hadn‘t really noticed how small they had actually gotten in a few months. One day I went to a spot with very rough ground that I couldn‘t skate but a dude with Dragons let me try his board. That made me realise I was limiting my spot choice with the really small wheels.
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I’m a lifelong big wheel guy, and I’d say little wheels are slower in general, but: 1) they accelerate quicker so can actually feel faster in cramped quarters ii.  can also feel faster when ground is just slightly rough because they make it seem spicier than it is, so you feel like you’re going faster
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This.

Small wheels - higher acceleration (feel fast), lower top speed, higher deceleration, rougher ride. More tech and precise with tricks.

Large wheels - slower acceleration (feel slow), higher top speed, lower deceleration, smoother ride. Clunkier tricks.

This means small wheels require less pushes/force to get up to speed for traveling short distance in preparation for a trick BUT you have to push more often and continually reapply force over longer distances. That would make small wheels not as good for "no push lines" as well due to that deceleration.

You also mention small wheels feeling faster on rough ground. That's interesting and I've never thought about that. I totally understand that, though personally I associate that feeling of rough ground with deceleration.

I think you might be describing why some people think Dragons feel sluggish. They're smooth and quieter, and those feelings and sounds are associated with increased speed on hard wheels. The faster you go on a hard wheel, the louder it gets.

I think wheel width also fits into this discussion too. In theory a thinner wheel should be faster, while a wider wheel is more stable and smooth. Obviously thin wheel is also more tech, while wide wheel is clunkier.

I’m talking about ground that is well short of what most would call rough-just past notably smooth. Could even be slippery in some cases, but has enough topography to make a loose setup rattle.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4622 on: December 25, 2022, 01:34:29 PM »
maybe not slower but you will need more pushes to hold speed
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4623 on: December 26, 2022, 07:18:23 AM »
Got some classic 53s for Christmas that I'm pretty excited for, only ridden conical fulls before so it'll be a big change but I'm excited to give them a go.  Unfortunately the indoor park here is deadly slippery so I don't think I'm gonna get to try these out until the snow clears up

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4624 on: December 26, 2022, 08:42:23 AM »
Got some classic 53s for Christmas that I'm pretty excited for, only ridden conical fulls before so it'll be a big change but I'm excited to give them a go.  Unfortunately the indoor park here is deadly slippery so I don't think I'm gonna get to try these out until the snow clears up

53 classics are close to the perfect wheel for most skating (IMHO)...except indoor parks. The smaller contact patch, plus indoor dust = super slippery.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4625 on: January 05, 2023, 06:28:10 AM »
Yo! Just posted this in the wheels thread and someone suggested i post it here, so here i am.

I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Thanks in advance
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4626 on: January 05, 2023, 08:45:38 AM »
radials skinnier and have LESS riding surface area
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4627 on: January 05, 2023, 09:20:53 AM »
According to the Spitfire charts...

54mm Classic is 33.5mm wide with 16.5mm riding surface
54mm Radial is 34mm wide with a 20mm riding surface.

I'd say the wider riding surface of a Radial will help a little on rougher ground but I don't know if I'd consider it a true compromise between a 99 classic and a 101 classic.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4628 on: January 05, 2023, 09:24:12 AM »
I use both wheels, classics and radials.
54mm so they could easily go down a bit.

Radial has:
54   WIDTH 34   RIDING SURFACE 20

Classic:
54    WIDTH  33.5    RIDING SURFACE 16.5

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4629 on: January 05, 2023, 10:45:06 AM »
radials skinnier and have LESS riding surface area


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4630 on: January 05, 2023, 01:24:57 PM »
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I have both 54mm Classics and Radials in both 99 and 101 on boards.

The 99s are very consistent in the feel on everything, but the 101s are a bit more here and there in terms of slide, grip and everything else, so it is not so much that they feel harder and slide more, quite often feeling more grippy than 99s but sometimes being a little more slick when you do get into a slide.

Either way, Radial when new is a little bit more of an "all rounder" compared to Classics when new.

I like both, but I can also feel the difference - not a whole lot, but there is a difference there.


Overall I think if I could get 54mm Radials all the time, I might ride those over Classics, but they are somewhat hard to come by at times, so Classics are the easy fall back option, as I do prefer a round edge but a wider profile and riding surface.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4631 on: January 05, 2023, 03:10:56 PM »
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Got some classic 53s for Christmas that I'm pretty excited for, only ridden conical fulls before so it'll be a big change but I'm excited to give them a go.  Unfortunately the indoor park here is deadly slippery so I don't think I'm gonna get to try these out until the snow clears up
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53 classics are close to the perfect wheel for most skating (IMHO)...except indoor parks. The smaller contact patch, plus indoor dust = super slippery.

Classics 53mm are what I ended up with on my main setup after trying a bunch of different shapes and sizes. I use the 97A ones in the winter primarily because they are perfect to counter that indoor dust. No need for bigger wheels if you can go a bit softer.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4632 on: January 05, 2023, 06:30:29 PM »
Yo! Just posted this in the wheels thread and someone suggested i post it here, so here i am.

I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Thanks in advance


Of the options, as per my initial post earlier, how readily available are Radials in 101?

I know there are black ones out right now, but as far as any normal (not coloured) options, I don't think there are any, are there?

More just thinking out loud than anything else, re availability.


As for a direct answer, yes Radials are going to feel better than Classics, as are 53mm or even 54mm Conical Full when new, just to throw that in there as well.  At least they come in both 99 and 101 in natural colour, are readily available almost anywhere, if you did want a wheel with a bit more width.


I just had a skate on a board with 56mm Classics and once they are worn down a couple of mm, they are about the same contact patch as Radials anyway (but still a slightly wider wheel) so are any of your usual 56mm Classics down in those 53-54mm sort of sizes?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4633 on: January 06, 2023, 12:47:46 PM »
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Yo! Just posted this in the wheels thread and someone suggested i post it here, so here i am.

I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Thanks in advance
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Of the options, as per my initial post earlier, how readily available are Radials in 101?

I know there are black ones out right now, but as far as any normal (not coloured) options, I don't think there are any, are there?

More just thinking out loud than anything else, re availability.


As for a direct answer, yes Radials are going to feel better than Classics, as are 53mm or even 54mm Conical Full when new, just to throw that in there as well.  At least they come in both 99 and 101 in natural colour, are readily available almost anywhere, if you did want a wheel with a bit more width.


I just had a skate on a board with 56mm Classics and once they are worn down a couple of mm, they are about the same contact patch as Radials anyway (but still a slightly wider wheel) so are any of your usual 56mm Classics down in those 53-54mm sort of sizes?

I'm not sure how readily available 54mm 101a radials are, the guy that runs my local shop will usually just show me what his distributor has and get me whatever. I honestly just assumed i could get them

I dont have any old sets of 56 99a's laying around at the moment, mine are fairly new on my current setup, could def just run them down a bit to see what a 54mm 99a radial would be like. I used to ride the 56mm radials a lot so i have a decent idea.

BUT i never tried them in 101 which is where my dilemma is. I loved the 54mm 101 classics when the ground suited them. I was hoping that maybe a wider 101 with more riding surface would help to make more ground suitable for 101s.

edit: after a quick search, it def looks like youre right about the limited availability. and i cant do black wheels, im not punk rock enough for that. Looks like im staying on the trusty 56mm 99a classics. always available, work in most situations.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4634 on: January 18, 2023, 09:48:39 AM »
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4635 on: January 25, 2023, 02:46:14 AM »
What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4636 on: January 25, 2023, 05:35:41 AM »
What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too

i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4637 on: January 25, 2023, 06:36:44 AM »
ohhh i thought radials were the slim ones but i am thinking actually Radial Slims. radials are actually the same width as the conical fulls, i thought they were skinnier but they just have a more aggressive cut. that does actually seem like a pretty good wheel. idk i just love the conical full that is perfect wheel for me. the radials and classics both seem like they would work for me if no conical fulls were available(i imagine i have rode these shapes in Bones and OJ / maybe even currently riding them on my other setups) but why even bother switching when this is the exact thing i like the best.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4638 on: January 25, 2023, 06:53:35 AM »
Just got some 54 classics in 99a. Smallest wheel I’ve had in years, but was shocked at the skinny riding surface. Will see how we go, [size=78%]setting up my first Popsicle in over 10 years. [/size]

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4639 on: January 25, 2023, 07:03:59 AM »
classics look kinda like donuts
i just cant stand tall skinny, i like the way chunky looks. i was all about that tablet shape for like 10 years becuase i was only skating perfect skatepark plazas and skating in completely straight lines. they work amazing for that type of skating. i never see people rocking them anymore. maybe tre williams
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4640 on: January 25, 2023, 07:55:28 AM »
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What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too
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i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

Stock up fellas

at my local the prices of the new arrived ones are are sometimes even 75euro. thats just fucked up.

i should be getting some new wheels soon. thinking of trying some classics since all i skate are curbs these days and i only got the most square wheels they offer right now. Tablets and OG classics.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4641 on: January 25, 2023, 08:15:47 AM »
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What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too
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i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

Stock up fellas
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at my local the prices of the new arrived ones are are sometimes even 75euro. thats just fucked up.

i should be getting some new wheels soon. thinking of trying some classics since all i skate are curbs these days and i only got the most square wheels they offer right now. Tablets and OG classics.


Re OG Classics, especially the 58 and 60mm sizes - I didn't see replies earlier but somewhere back in this thread (or another one) people had asked DLX and the response was they will make more in the first quarter of 2023, so should be available again just before mid year.

I would rather quote the person, so if anyone finds it, or was that person, please repost the answer again.

Thanks.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4642 on: January 25, 2023, 08:38:31 AM »
Love my GT OG classics 53mm, my local here in CZ still have them on sale
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forgive me if i somehow missed it, but could someone help me with just how flat the flat as fuck decks really are?
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4643 on: January 25, 2023, 11:28:46 AM »
Love my GT OG classics 53mm, my local here in CZ still have them on sale

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4644 on: January 25, 2023, 12:01:03 PM »
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Love my GT OG classics 53mm, my local here in CZ still have them on sale
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What's the age limit on what size wheels? Please respond very quickly as I have some 50mm and 60mms set up right now and I am deep into middle age with very little time to spare.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4645 on: January 25, 2023, 12:19:19 PM »
Really wish 53mm Rad Slims became a regular thing again...
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4646 on: January 25, 2023, 09:20:40 PM »
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What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too
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i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

Stock up fellas
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at my local the prices of the new arrived ones are are sometimes even 75euro. thats just fucked up.

i should be getting some new wheels soon. thinking of trying some classics since all i skate are curbs these days and i only got the most square wheels they offer right now. Tablets and OG classics.
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Re OG Classics, especially the 58 and 60mm sizes - I didn't see replies earlier but somewhere back in this thread (or another one) people had asked DLX and the response was they will make more in the first quarter of 2023, so should be available again just before mid year.

I would rather quote the person, so if anyone finds it, or was that person, please repost the answer again.

Thanks.

Sweet, I hope so! Thanks for the heads up! Till then I'll be on conical full/conical

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4647 on: January 26, 2023, 01:19:47 AM »
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What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too
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i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

Stock up fellas
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at my local the prices of the new arrived ones are are sometimes even 75euro. thats just fucked up.

i should be getting some new wheels soon. thinking of trying some classics since all i skate are curbs these days and i only got the most square wheels they offer right now. Tablets and OG classics.
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Re OG Classics, especially the 58 and 60mm sizes - I didn't see replies earlier but somewhere back in this thread (or another one) people had asked DLX and the response was they will make more in the first quarter of 2023, so should be available again just before mid year.

I would rather quote the person, so if anyone finds it, or was that person, please repost the answer again.

Thanks.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4648 on: January 26, 2023, 03:37:56 AM »
What is like the smallest wheel with the widest riding surface? Something like a Radial in 50mm would be hella cool I think.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #4649 on: January 26, 2023, 06:48:27 AM »
What is like the smallest wheel with the widest riding surface? Something like a Radial in 50mm would be hella cool I think.
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