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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5400 on: October 21, 2023, 02:12:16 AM »
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OGs are going? My local just got a bunch in so that's sorta strange. Prefer any rounded shape to Conicals
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They still make OG classics in the regular 99a formula. They haven’t made Formula 4 OG classics for a few years now

Not true. The current Spitfire website has OG Classics listed under the F4 shapes. No mention of it being of the older formula.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

My local shop has F4 OG Classics on the shelf, so unless they've kept them there since several years ago (not likely), they're still being produced and are definitely F4.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5401 on: October 21, 2023, 03:20:18 AM »
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OGs are going? My local just got a bunch in so that's sorta strange. Prefer any rounded shape to Conicals
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They still make OG classics in the regular 99a formula. They haven’t made Formula 4 OG classics for a few years now
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Not true. The current Spitfire website has OG Classics listed under the F4 shapes. No mention of it being of the older formula.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

My local shop has F4 OG Classics on the shelf, so unless they've kept them there since several years ago (not likely), they're still being produced and are definitely F4.

i've seen more normal OG classics than F4 OG classics in shops the last fiew years. but might also be no ones buying the normal spits. why would you.
so dont know which are older, but they definitly exist.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5402 on: October 21, 2023, 04:03:39 PM »
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OGs are going? My local just got a bunch in so that's sorta strange. Prefer any rounded shape to Conicals
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They still make OG classics in the regular 99a formula. They haven’t made Formula 4 OG classics for a few years now
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Not true. The current Spitfire website has OG Classics listed under the F4 shapes. No mention of it being of the older formula.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

My local shop has F4 OG Classics on the shelf, so unless they've kept them there since several years ago (not likely), they're still being produced and are definitely F4.
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i've seen more normal OG classics than F4 OG classics in shops the last fiew years. but might also be no ones buying the normal spits. why would you.
so dont know which are older, but they definitly exist.


They still make and distribute a whole lot more wheels than are listed on current websites or catalogs, but the best way to check with anything like that is to jump on DLXSF.COM and message them about it.  Not just any old thing to bug them, but for someone who is looking for something very specific, they usually give you a good reply about current products or if anything is still being made, etc.


There are also still a good number of old stock wheels around too, but sometimes it can be difficult to find them, if you don't know where to look, eg some shops do not put stock online, so those sorts of shops would have a bit more old stock if they don't go through it quickly, as per a few shops I am familar with, who still have OG Classics, Classic Full wheels and some others.  No Radial Slims though - sent the last set of those I bought to Rocklobster a while back.


As far as OG Classics, there are 52, 53 and 54 mm wheels in the original urethane still in plenty of places, but none of the bigger sizes readily available and very few Formula Four in any size.

I am curious to hear what sizes and formulas people have still seen or have arrived in local shops recently too.



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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5403 on: October 28, 2023, 11:25:54 AM »
Anybody tried Lock in fulls?
Sir, I'm going to politely, but firmly, ask you and your common sense to leave this establishment.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5404 on: October 28, 2023, 11:53:48 AM »
Anybody tried Lock in fulls?
Love ‘em. I had some RFs and they were bad, but these are something special. I have them in 55m.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5405 on: October 28, 2023, 12:02:34 PM »
I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5406 on: October 28, 2023, 12:35:42 PM »
I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5407 on: October 28, 2023, 12:43:19 PM »
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.

Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5408 on: October 28, 2023, 12:48:38 PM »
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5409 on: October 28, 2023, 12:57:54 PM »
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol

Yeah and how statistically significant is this tiny online forum full of gear nerds when it comes to showing that a particular shape definitely has a widespread quality issue across the board?

Radial full is literally one of the best selling f4 shapes right now, I have several friends out here in the bay and elsewhere riding them, see them in the wild all the time. Never heard of any issues. Plus even if you do get unlucky with a real defect, dlx customer service and warranty got you sorted.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5410 on: October 28, 2023, 01:00:19 PM »
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol

No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5411 on: October 28, 2023, 01:19:38 PM »
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.

The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5412 on: October 28, 2023, 04:24:42 PM »
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.
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The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.



Is this where we all take a breath and go skate for the afternoon or something?


Anyway, just for basic info, yes some specific wheel shapes (more so than other shapes) seem to have more issues than others.

Some Conical Full wheels were the most common ones to have the bearing seat offset issues, from what I had seen and recall.  That was a problem for sure and one that was not resolved by anything other than return and replacement.

Some Radial Full wheels might also have some of the similar wheel issues, although it is different to the previous issue, but there are people who seem to experience it more than others too (with an assortment of different brands and shapes of wheels), as per the thread with bearing seat movement here.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0


Of half a dozen Radial Full sets of wheels I have had come through my hands or are on my own boards, none have been defective, but that doesn't mean there aren't others out there that perform differently.

Also to note that softer duro wheels are more prone to bearing seat movement, especially with bigger or heavier people - one guy I know who loved softer wheels had to pretty much only buy cored wheels because of this issue, as the normal no core wheels kept blowing out on him - actually had slightly oval shaped wheels come back from him, which went to warranty once, but the reply was these wheels will not hold up to those conditions, or something like that.

Regardless of weight of the skater, having both the same size wheel in 97 and 99 duro have the same thing happen, this is more likely the mold or the urethane just widening out in the bearing seat after production, maybe in the curing process or whatever the wheels went through, than any user error.

Yes DLX is amazing with customer service, but bottom line is sometimes people miss emails or whatever else, so anyone with issues, keep checking, just in case your first one slipped through the cracks, so to speak.






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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5413 on: October 28, 2023, 05:32:54 PM »
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.
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The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.

Ya he stared his weight is 245- that's over the limit for many types of bicycles even or to the point where you are limited to specific materials. There's no limit but you can't tell me that a deck, trucks, and wheels will behave the same.

In college I started gaining weight for powerlifting and at around 210-215 I had to effectively quit because I'd bend axles, break decks, snap kingpins, and generally fuck up gear fast. Quality is better than 2006, but boards are still pieces of plywood and urethane is still a compressible, pliable material.

A normal skater is 145-165 so do the math- it's highly likely that maybe a bearing seat that holds fine for normal skaters might slip for someone larger as they exert more force.

The fact that it happened in 2 wheels from 2 places is merely coincidence since it one of the most popular shapes at the moment and we aren't hearing about it more.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5414 on: October 28, 2023, 09:34:54 PM »
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.
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The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.
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Ya he stared his weight is 245- that's over the limit for many types of bicycles even or to the point where you are limited to specific materials. There's no limit but you can't tell me that a deck, trucks, and wheels will behave the same.

In college I started gaining weight for powerlifting and at around 210-215 I had to effectively quit because I'd bend axles, break decks, snap kingpins, and generally fuck up gear fast. Quality is better than 2006, but boards are still pieces of plywood and urethane is still a compressible, pliable material.

A normal skater is 145-165 so do the math- it's highly likely that maybe a bearing seat that holds fine for normal skaters might slip for someone larger as they exert more force.

The fact that it happened in 2 wheels from 2 places is merely coincidence since it one of the most popular shapes at the moment and we aren't hearing about it more.

That’s bullshit though.

“So do the math,” first of all, fuck you. I’m 270 lbs, that shit has never happened to a wheel I’ve skated. I’ve never bent an axle. I have certainly broken boards from improper landings, but that’s it. To try and say a 99 or 97 duro wheel is not able to withstand his cruising weight is ridiculous. Sometimes wheels are just defective. It is insanely bad luck that he got two shit sets in a row though. It is also worth mentioning that there are plenty of skateboarders of all sizes, and Mr. OhioGuy is not on the extreme end of that range.

He said he doesn’t really do much other than cruise and no comply tricks, he isn’t jumping down shit, and the forces he is putting on the wheels, while constant, are less forceful than impacts that your definition of a “normal skater” puts on equipment when they jump down anything higher than a foot off the ground. He’s using equipment made to take a hell of a lot more abuse than he’s putting it through. Quite honestly, if a part of his wheel was going to fail due to his weight, the most likely culprit would be a thin plastic bearing cage rather than a wheel, since they’re so fragile, but we’re not talking about bearing issues.

Perhaps, he’s right, and there are quality issues with a recently released shape, as it is not uncommon for first production runs of things to have a larger amount of defects than an established shape. You and all of your excellent cycling knowledge that you’re trying to extrapolate to skateboard products should surely know that. He’s not upset his $10k carbon road bike can’t handle the stresses, it’s his urethane wheel made to jump down stairs sets.

Also, where exactly did you come up with what a “normal skater” weighs? What exactly is a “normal skater”? Where is your research? As I assume if you were to try and quantify what “normal” is, you would surely have cited studies to back that up. I would throw you a bone and say perhaps you mean “average”, as normal is a setting on the dryer, but even then I would argue that your deemed weight is not in fact average, unless of course you have the resources to back that up.

Fucking get real, and perhaps you sir, should do the fucking math.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5415 on: October 28, 2023, 10:56:58 PM »
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.
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The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.
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Ya he stared his weight is 245- that's over the limit for many types of bicycles even or to the point where you are limited to specific materials. There's no limit but you can't tell me that a deck, trucks, and wheels will behave the same.

In college I started gaining weight for powerlifting and at around 210-215 I had to effectively quit because I'd bend axles, break decks, snap kingpins, and generally fuck up gear fast. Quality is better than 2006, but boards are still pieces of plywood and urethane is still a compressible, pliable material.

A normal skater is 145-165 so do the math- it's highly likely that maybe a bearing seat that holds fine for normal skaters might slip for someone larger as they exert more force.

The fact that it happened in 2 wheels from 2 places is merely coincidence since it one of the most popular shapes at the moment and we aren't hearing about it more.
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That’s bullshit though.

“So do the math,” first of all, fuck you. I’m 270 lbs, that shit has never happened to a wheel I’ve skated. I’ve never bent an axle. I have certainly broken boards from improper landings, but that’s it. To try and say a 99 or 97 duro wheel is not able to withstand his cruising weight is ridiculous. Sometimes wheels are just defective. It is insanely bad luck that he got two shit sets in a row though. It is also worth mentioning that there are plenty of skateboarders of all sizes, and Mr. OhioGuy is not on the extreme end of that range.

He said he doesn’t really do much other than cruise and no comply tricks, he isn’t jumping down shit, and the forces he is putting on the wheels, while constant, are less forceful than impacts that your definition of a “normal skater” puts on equipment when they jump down anything higher than a foot off the ground. He’s using equipment made to take a hell of a lot more abuse than he’s putting it through. Quite honestly, if a part of his wheel was going to fail due to his weight, the most likely culprit would be a thin plastic bearing cage rather than a wheel, since they’re so fragile, but we’re not talking about bearing issues.

Perhaps, he’s right, and there are quality issues with a recently released shape, as it is not uncommon for first production runs of things to have a larger amount of defects than an established shape. You and all of your excellent cycling knowledge that you’re trying to extrapolate to skateboard products should surely know that. He’s not upset his $10k carbon road bike can’t handle the stresses, it’s his urethane wheel made to jump down stairs sets.

Also, where exactly did you come up with what a “normal skater” weighs? What exactly is a “normal skater”? Where is your research? As I assume if you were to try and quantify what “normal” is, you would surely have cited studies to back that up. I would throw you a bone and say perhaps you mean “average”, as normal is a setting on the dryer, but even then I would argue that your deemed weight is not in fact average, unless of course you have the resources to back that up.

Fucking get real, and perhaps you sir, should do the fucking math.
The "normal skater" thing was pretty wack.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5416 on: October 29, 2023, 04:48:52 AM »
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5417 on: October 29, 2023, 07:52:48 AM »
For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5418 on: October 29, 2023, 08:04:21 AM »
For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?

No need for risers with 56mm wheels, really. Just tighten the trucks adequately.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5419 on: October 29, 2023, 08:08:44 AM »
No need for risers with 56mm wheels, really. Just tighten the trucks adequately.

Depends on what (height) trucks you have, and how much you like to, well, turn.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5420 on: October 29, 2023, 08:31:37 AM »
Were F4 og classics not selling well? Why aren't they making them again? Were they too similar to conicals? Superficial reasons for really wanting a set but I liked the black ring on the non swirl side of the wheels and I really want them to restock.

They’re back for this newest drop! Fall 2023 - Drop 2, has them on the list. We’re back, baby!

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5421 on: October 29, 2023, 09:01:35 AM »
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No need for risers with 56mm wheels, really. Just tighten the trucks adequately.
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Depends on what (height) trucks you have, and how much you like to, well, turn.

The trucks in question are Indys in this particular convo.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5422 on: October 29, 2023, 09:02:22 AM »
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No need for risers with 56mm wheels, really. Just tighten the trucks adequately.
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Depends on what (height) trucks you have, and how much you like to, well, turn.

also on how wide your setup is as wider trucks bite quicker. aswell as the shape of the wheel (OG classics biting faster than Classics)

that said, if @Ourladyoftheflowers doesnt have an issue with 55mm, then 56 shoulnt be a noticeable difference. thats only half a milimeter closer to the board, but the wider shape probably takes into play aswell.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5423 on: October 29, 2023, 03:43:08 PM »
For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?


conical full 55's are out there. usually reserved for signature drops, AVE's were the last ones i remember.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5424 on: October 29, 2023, 08:05:53 PM »
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For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?
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conical full 55's are out there. usually reserved for signature drops, AVE's were the last ones i remember.


Yes, funny that they usually go to pro wheels for quite a few like the 55 mm Conical Full wheels, more so than bringing them out as is in the standard graphic - too many different shapes and sizes maybe?!?

I still have some Andrew Allen wheels in the 55 mm but the Max Palmer Spiked wheel was 53 and 55 mm in Conical Full and still some around here (AU), but might have sold out most other places.

Quite a few people ride 56mm Conical Full wheels with standard Indy trucks, but as others have said it really depends on the individual, even with the same product, possibly same truck tightness, some people would be all over the place and others solid with that combination.

I have similar setups, although I personally find the 56mm Conical Full a bit too wide and squared off for my liking, but any shape of 55 or 56 mm wheels on standard Indy trucks in general are a fairly normal combination.






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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5425 on: October 29, 2023, 11:33:07 PM »
Spitfire is making too many wheels right now, imho. And not enough of the right ones.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5426 on: October 29, 2023, 11:44:57 PM »
Spitfire is making too many wheels right now, imho. And not enough of the right ones.

This 100 %. They need to stop the wide/full madness and introduce something like the Bones V1 and V5 shapes.

I mean, Bones does good with five shapes across the board.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5427 on: October 30, 2023, 12:19:38 AM »
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Spitfire is making too many wheels right now, imho. And not enough of the right ones.
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This 100 %. They need to stop the wide/full madness and introduce something like the Bones V1 and V5 shapes.

I mean, Bones does good with five shapes across the board.

6 shapes, they could go back down to 5 by dropping the V2 tablet shape
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5428 on: October 30, 2023, 08:19:05 AM »
i think those super wide wheels is how people are doing such long smith grinds on ledges. Noah Mathieu on Limosine looks like he is riding radial full for that half cab smith around the C Ledge. I hope they stay in production! But make sure they keep making small classics too!

I can basically just live off classic and conical full though. they could drop to just those 2 shapes and I feel like we wouldn't really be missing out on much.

Tablet is pretty niche at this point
they hardly make radials or conicals (regular)
radial full is cool, but not crazy different from conical full either. I feel like those only started coming around again more recently as well... the Kader wheel is first one i remember from the last few years?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #5429 on: October 30, 2023, 08:34:49 AM »
IMHO, they could cover pretty much everything with these (and this is still even a lot):

Classic / Classic Full

Radial Slim / Radial (these should be renamed Radial and Radial Full)

Conical / Conical Full

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