Spitfire formula four

[Can he read]

I recommended crust burners but no response.

Ah see that’s a good one! Soft sliders might be good for marketing as it literally describes the product to someone who may not otherwise know what they’re looking for but it’s pretty terrible for anyone who has to ask their local shop if they’re in stock

[Banned from the room]

Expand Quote

Am I the only one who actually really likes the way Spits turn potato yellow? I don't have a problem with ultra-white wheels but I prefer them gnarly yellowed. All things must pass and age should be proudly shown.

[close]

I'm on the same boat as you.

I just think staph infection. Especially in the summer. Put in like 4+ hrs in 90⁰ all Skating around thinking don't touch my face! Don't scratch the skin! Can't stop wont stop.

[Banned from the room]

Expand Quote

I've tested a few sets of the 93a f4, very similar feel to the dragon wheels.
So far ive had conical full 54/56 and radial 56. I like them a lot, great for the streets.
They're calling them Soft Sliders, no idea when they might release.

[close]

Hopefully they haven’t settled on that name 😬

They should call um Slayers.
Have neckface do some twisted ass black metal graphic of decapitated skate one mascots. Or maybe just the berserker who saved us from the gold g rated hydrant hopping salamander.

Salamander Slayers.

We could draw up a cartoon ad that has someone putting one on a technique 1200 and playing the 93a slayer backwards. "666... 666....666

Maybe put the swirl on but Super impose grooves on it like and album?

Idk

[rocklobster]

I recommended crust burners but no response.

Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.

[rikki]

Expand Quote

I recommended crust burners but no response.

[close]

Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.

Yeah, I don't know, I feel like the younger guys aren't really even that much aware of especially the X-Formulas. They seem to cater more for the middle age market. All hypes naturally die down at some point and for sure some peeps will go back to F4s, but there is certainly a segment (myself included) who will keep the X-Formulas/Dragons as a permament part of their wheel quiver. Not necessarily as something to replace F4, but as a welcome addition to cater for various purposes.

[camel filters]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I recommended crust burners but no response.

[close]

Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.

[close]

Yeah, I don't know, I feel like the younger guys aren't really even that much aware of especially the X-Formulas. They seem to cater more for the middle age market. All hypes naturally die down at some point and for sure some peeps will go back to F4s, but there is certainly a segment (myself included) who will keep the X-Formulas/Dragons as a permament part of their wheel quiver. Not necessarily as something to replace F4, but as a welcome addition to cater for various purposes.

I have heard the entire Late Nite Stars guys have all switched to dragons. Makes sense for the streets of NY and I think they also like it for the bonus irony points of being on trend guys riding dragons.

[144p]

At my shop it’s split probably 60% hard wheels and 40% softer wheels, meaning f4 97/oj nomad 95/dragons 93/ x formula 97.
A lot of people are curious, pretty rough ground in Washington and to access some of the spots it’s a necessity to ride something softer than 99.
A lot of people love dragon wheels here, it’s crazy how fast they are too if you’ve never tried them. But the downsides are obvious if you skate parks/transition or metal edged ledges/curbs.
The f4 93 I tested weren’t as grabby on the metal as the dragons though, I like them a lot. Just not enough to only want to skate them.

[Síota]

At my shop it’s split probably 60% hard wheels and 40% softer wheels, meaning f4 97/oj nomad 95/dragons 93/ x formula 97.
A lot of people are curious, pretty rough ground in Washington and to access some of the spots it’s a necessity to ride something softer than 99.
A lot of people love dragon wheels here, it’s crazy how fast they are too if you’ve never tried them. But the downsides are obvious if you skate parks/transition or metal edged ledges/curbs.
The f4 93 I tested weren’t as grabby on the metal as the dragons though, I like them a lot. Just not enough to only want to skate them.

How did the 93's slide?

[144p]

Very well on rough ground, not so good on smooth. Typical of that durometer, with too much friction meaning ground that is even and smooth it feels like it can’t break free to slide as easily as when the ground is rougher asphalt where it’s bumpier and they can slide easier.  Still slid while bombing hills but I wasn’t as confident to slide on blacktop.
The street ledges and curbs slid very well, skatepark ledges not so much.

[Síota]

Very well on rough ground, not so good on smooth. Typical of that durometer, with too much friction meaning ground that is even and smooth it feels like it can’t break free to slide as easily as when the ground is rougher asphalt where it’s bumpier and they can slide easier.  Still slid while bombing hills but I wasn’t as confident to slide on blacktop.
The street ledges and curbs slid very well, skatepark ledges not so much.

Well for a crusty curb/ledge set-up they sound perfect then! Normal 99's for everything else. I don't think there ever will be an does all perfect wheel. Like there will always be advantageous and disadvantages with them.

[Pasta Monster]

Very well on rough ground, not so good on smooth. Typical of that durometer, with too much friction meaning ground that is even and smooth it feels like it can’t break free to slide as easily as when the ground is rougher asphalt where it’s bumpier and they can slide easier.  Still slid while bombing hills but I wasn’t as confident to slide on blacktop.
The street ledges and curbs slid very well, skatepark ledges not so much.

Do you prefer them to the 97a? Also, do you think a hypothetical 95a could still cover rough ground but be able to slide on ledges?

[144p]

Slide better than the 97s for sure. I would choose the 93 over the 97.

[Shoebox]

So are regular radials like worn down classics?

I want like a worn in 55mm classic, would a 53 radial be like this or should I just get some classics and skate them down?

[144p]

That’s a fair comparison. About the same width.

[tzhangdox]

Were they more grabby than 97a spits on metal coping/rails

[minilogoflow]

I've tested a few sets of the 93a f4, very similar feel to the dragon wheels.
So far ive had conical full 54/56 and radial 56. I like them a lot, great for the streets.
They're calling them Soft Sliders, no idea when they might release.

Interesting marketing decision considering Powell already has "Soft Slide Formula" for some of their longboard/downhill wheels like the Snakes and G Slides. Crust burner definitely sounds a lot cooler.

[Xen]

Expand Quote

I recommended crust burners but no response.

[close]

Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.

Those who found a use case for them, use them, lots probably didn't bother.

Hype for anything new drops off (Ishod's shoe(s) lol ) - Take Flight and VX decks, doubtful they are popular now with anyone but older heads and board breakers - I know a board breaker who skates nothing but VX, flights only if he can't get VX...(cuz powell shapes suck...they've got one good one per size in the flight sect); he also doesn't manual so razor tailing of a $90 thin deck isn't an issue for him.

As always, use the right tool for the job. Break boards? VX/flight. Skate lots of double sided curbs? Rails. Skate shitty terrain? Dragons/Xformula. Slide a lot? Slicks. Crazy switch game? Twins. Skate smooth plaza/parks? 101/103s. Want board feel? Vulcs. Want more impact protection? Cups.. Etc..

[pops]

93 Spits sound interesting but is there a point getting them if I already like the dragons? Maybe if they're cheaper and perform similarly. I like Spitfire shapes a bit more than Powell/Bones. Radial/Rf in 93 would be dreamy.

[Zane]

At my shop it’s split probably 60% hard wheels and 40% softer wheels, meaning f4 97/oj nomad 95/dragons 93/ x formula 97.
A lot of people are curious, pretty rough ground in Washington and to access some of the spots it’s a necessity to ride something softer than 99.
A lot of people love dragon wheels here, it’s crazy how fast they are too if you’ve never tried them. But the downsides are obvious if you skate parks/transition or metal edged ledges/curbs.
The f4 93 I tested weren’t as grabby on the metal as the dragons though, I like them a lot. Just not enough to only want to skate them.

Did they give you any idea of a release date?

[Mbrimson88]

93 Spits sound interesting but is there a point getting them if I already like the dragons? Maybe if they're cheaper and perform similarly. I like Spitfire shapes a bit more than Powell/Bones. Radial/Rf in 93 would be dreamy.

I guess more than anything it is to have a Spitfire brand wheel in that duro, as there are a lot of people who are either on Spitfire or only ride Spitfire, so they can enjoy a wheel in that duro, without having to sneak in a set of blanked other brand wheels.  Funny how others might have done that with Formula Four if they were on other brands - actually seen and know a few people in that situation, just like some guys skated different brand boards and painted or stickered them.

But anyway, back to Spitfire, they had Soft Ds which worked well enough, but were not Formula Four wheels, then the 97 duro wheels came out and they are great for a lot of things, so I would think a softer duro Formula Four wheel would be a welcome addition to the brands wheel options and would definitely be getting some in Classic, Radial or Conical Full shape to try, or maybe all three shapes in different sizes.

Just wait and see I guess.

[144p]

Expand Quote

At my shop it’s split probably 60% hard wheels and 40% softer wheels, meaning f4 97/oj nomad 95/dragons 93/ x formula 97.
A lot of people are curious, pretty rough ground in Washington and to access some of the spots it’s a necessity to ride something softer than 99.
A lot of people love dragon wheels here, it’s crazy how fast they are too if you’ve never tried them. But the downsides are obvious if you skate parks/transition or metal edged ledges/curbs.
The f4 93 I tested weren’t as grabby on the metal as the dragons though, I like them a lot. Just not enough to only want to skate them.

[close]

Did they give you any idea of a release date?

Nope, still developing.

[Xen]

93 Spits sound interesting but is there a point getting them if I already like the dragons? Maybe if they're cheaper and perform similarly. I like Spitfire shapes a bit more than Powell/Bones. Radial/Rf in 93 would be dreamy.

Depends on what you are skating? All things being equal with rebound/crust but if the 93a spits handle metal better for pinch/slides/etc., and that's what you are into and find the x-formula lacking there, why not?

As someone who wasn't a fan of the 97a formula four (didn't like the slide), I'm not holding my breath for the 93 spits, especially since my use case for 93s isn't critical, x99s do fine.

[Ok]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I recommended crust burners but no response.

[close]

Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.

[close]

Yeah, I don't know, I feel like the younger guys aren't really even that much aware of especially the X-Formulas. They seem to cater more for the middle age market. All hypes naturally die down at some point and for sure some peeps will go back to F4s, but there is certainly a segment (myself included) who will keep the X-Formulas/Dragons as a permament part of their wheel quiver. Not necessarily as something to replace F4, but as a welcome addition to cater for various purposes.

[close]

I have heard the entire Late Nite Stars guys have all switched to dragons. Makes sense for the streets of NY and I think they also like it for the bonus irony points of being on trend guys riding dragons.

i don’t even know who the Late Nite Stars guys are! i kinda love this. i don’t know what the cool things are.


how long for my dragons to wear down? i got 55s and they are huuuuuuuge heavy and fast.  it rad to flip attempt tho. they are so soft and comfy i don’t want to take them off.

[Xen]

how long for my dragons to wear down?

Get busy
https://youtu.be/3MqGcx5mecc?si=xwux-d4f3dHF7dIo

[Ok]

Expand Quote

how long for my dragons to wear down?

[close]

Get busy
https://youtu.be/3MqGcx5mecc?si=xwux-d4f3dHF7dIo

so good.
i feel like i gotta get this low to make my dragons slide.


i live in Washington and 144p is per usual, very correct in that soft wheels open up a ton of spots.
once i learn how to speed check on dragons i’ll all in. i’m shit at tricks, don’t need hard wheels.




probably gonna set up some 52 conical fulls tomorrow.
spitfire still the goat for me

[logjammin]

After a winter of being on some dragons at the indoor, I put on an old set of 97a radial fulls since I'm too broke to try the x97's right now and they feel amazing. Nothing like some broken-in potato F4's. All these newer ones are white, what's up with that?

[Xen]

After a winter of being on some dragons at the indoor, I put on an old set of 97a radial fulls since I'm too broke to try the x97's right now and they feel amazing. Nothing like some broken-in potato F4's. All these newer ones are white, what's up with that?

Yeah...my last set of 99a lockins (from the last drop) were REALLY white by F4 standards...

Next to new (probably new old stock tho) spit classics; they also felt muuuuuch harder than my 99a black conicals

[144p]

I have noticed at the shop the colors of the wheels vary a lot. I have a theory about the less common shapes like the lock in full/radial full that they are smaller runs so the urethane mixture is a smaller batch and maybe more accurate? Classics and conical full are the most popular and common shapes so they tend to be made in larger batches and maybe when making that many sets it’s tougher to dial in the ingredients and quantity.

Mind you this is just me spouting shit and not based off anything said by anyone at dlx.

I do tend to look for the browner ones when I get new wheels and it makes me feel like they are somehow better but probably not.

[Frank and Fred]

I also prefer the browner/ yellower F4s both to look at and ride. Can’t stand bright white wheels.

[logjammin]

Expand Quote

After a winter of being on some dragons at the indoor, I put on an old set of 97a radial fulls since I'm too broke to try the x97's right now and they feel amazing. Nothing like some broken-in potato F4's. All these newer ones are white, what's up with that?

[close]

Yeah...my last set of 99a lockins (from the last drop) were REALLY white by F4 standards...

Next to new (probably new old stock tho) spit classics; they also felt muuuuuch harder than my 99a black conicals

Someone should DM thiebaud and ask if they're putting white dye in them now lol. I actually don't mind white wheels, it's just when it comes to F4's specifically, their signature schtick isn't just the performance, but that natural urethane color which sets them apart. Especially when they were first released because no one else was doing it. Then Bones started using a shade of dye to make them look like natural urethane lol.