Spitfire formula four

[Xen]

Fuck, if we get a fucking Lock-in Full for the new 97s, I'll change my avatar to a shelved and bronzed Radial Slim.

Stop detailing threads, son, and keep it to one thread where the trolling is happening don’t you have any etiquette at all? Just like Lebowski, following me around the forum; ride some other dick.

Og classics and conicals I’m guessing; spread the love, like your mom.

You guys get so salty so easily and can’t tell when being trolled every reply is hilarious, except this one. Trying to hard/wasn’t funny.  Please neg me when your timer allows. It's also soooo cute you remember my wheel preferences, I'm flattered. Who are you again?

[rikki]

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Fuck, if we get a fucking Lock-in Full for the new 97s, I'll change my avatar to a shelved and bronzed Radial Slim.

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Stop detailing threads, son, and keep it to one thread where the trolling is happening don’t you have any etiquette at all? Just like Lebowski, following me around the forum; ride some other dick.

Og classics and conicals I’m guessing; spread the love, like your mom.

You guys get so salty so easily and can’t tell when being trolled every reply is hilarious, except this one. Trying to hard/wasn’t funny.  Please neg me when your timer allows. It's also soooo cute you remember my wheel preferences, I'm flattered. Who are you again?

Easy tiger, not everything is about you.

But yeah, if one's throwing toxic energy around, they've gotta be able to ride the ripples too. Also, I'm really just wondering where the saltiness really lies here and who exactly is being trolled.

But as you said, spread the love. Why so serious? "Lol", like you said in the PM you sent. A bit a cognitive dissonance here.

Anyway, I don't know jack shit about your favorite wheel, btw. Radial Slims are the ones I'm craving for.

[fakiefs180]

Are the regular Conicals the closest shape to the Radial Slims? Would explain why I like them a lot more as Classics or OG Classics.

[rawbertson.]

Are the regular Conicals the closest shape to the Radial Slims? Would explain why I like them a lot more as Classics or OG Classics.

its very close... consider for a 54mm example:

Conical
32
20

Radial Slim
31
19.5

[Xen]

Are the regular Conicals the closest shape to the Radial Slims? Would explain why I like them a lot more as Classics or OG Classics.

Kinda? For sure more closely related than classics or OG classics. Bones V2 is actually the closest in shape (it's not as tablet shaped as it looks in pics).

[Bristol_Palin]

Wheels

[DERBY]

urethane

[Sedition]

I saw Lock-In Fulls today for the first time in person, and burst out laughing. They are the most absurd wheel I've seen, size wise, since Powell reissued Rat Bones.

[Xen]

I saw Lock-In Fulls today for the first time in person, and burst out laughing. They are the most absurd wheel I've seen, size wise, since Powell reissued Rat Bones.

Slap Forum Heresey.

[Lou Strux]

I saw Lock-In Fulls today for the first time in person, and burst out laughing. They are the most absurd wheel I've seen, size wise, since Powell reissued Rat Bones.

All the hate for them on here a while back had me curious & I now own a set (not yet utilized) but I’m kinda glad this place put them on my radar.
I think this one set will do me, but I’m happy for a little variety in wheel shapes.
Sure, they’re funny looking…
By TODAY’s standards.
But when I cast my mind back far enough, I remember the asymmetric wheels of my youth and they feel like ‘85 all over again.
They’re basically Powell Freestyles in a contemporary/functional urethane, but I don’t know if some of y’all even ready to hear that.
Or even care to.
All that to say: I’m into ‘em.

[Bongwater Mojito]

Reading about Conical vs. Radial Slims triggered a mild wheel shape madness here. I'm on slightly worn Classic 52s now, and have similarly worn Classic Full 52s on shelf. I wonder if the difference is noticeable. For my skating, Conical Full vs. Classics is clearly distinguishable. On Conical Fulls my already dadcore-style kickflips go even worse, 360 flips are mostly out of question, but on the other hand they seem to roll forwards like a freight train, which feels nice when having non-tech low impact sessions I mostly have nowadays.

What do you think, does Classic vs. Classic Full make a difference?

[CarcassToss]

I think a lot of younger skaters just walk in and want the widest, biggest Spitfire and don't care what shape it is. Its trending and they don't care.

[Mbrimson88]

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I saw Lock-In Fulls today for the first time in person, and burst out laughing. They are the most absurd wheel I've seen, size wise, since Powell reissued Rat Bones.

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All the hate for them on here a while back had me curious & I now own a set (not yet utilized) but I’m kinda glad this place put them on my radar.
I think this one set will do me, but I’m happy for a little variety in wheel shapes.
Sure, they’re funny looking…
By TODAY’s standards.
But when I cast my mind back far enough, I remember the asymmetric wheels of my youth and they feel like ‘85 all over again.
They’re basically Powell Freestyles in a contemporary/functional urethane, but I don’t know if some of y’all even ready to hear that.
Or even care to.
All that to say: I’m into ‘em.

Lock In Full and Radial Full are very wide wheels, compared to almost any other wheel, especially in bigger sizes.

As a similar 80s era spin off, Powell Mini Cubic wheels come to mind - yes I do have a few sets of those too, so for a board that has an extended wheel width requirement, these work nicely there - both Lock In Full wheels and the older ones.

I also got one set of Lock In Fulls in 55 mm to compare to the one set of 55 mm regular Lock Ins I already had from a trade in so it is interesting to see them both and feel them in action, but I don't think I would have them on any of my normal boards.

They go well on a Gonz Sweatpants 9.81 deck on 169s, or Black Label big boards like the Lucero too.

Radial Full wheels do sell well though, maybe more so the slightly softer 97 duro options for older / more cautious people I know, but as Carcass Toss said, a lot of the younger skaters are riding the normal 99 duro versions and doing well on them.

[144p]

Most kids that come in the shop just want the widest spitfires they can get, radial full and lock in full seem to sell well, conical full is right there.
In comparison standard classics look very narrow in comparison and they do sell but much less than in the past. I think shapes like the radial will become the new norm and the extremes will be pushed aside.

[Sedition]

With the "full" craze, it kind of blows my mind that Classic Fulls have not made a return.

[Ok]

Reading about Conical vs. Radial Slims triggered a mild wheel shape madness here. I'm on slightly worn Classic 52s now, and have similarly worn Classic Full 52s on shelf. I wonder if the difference is noticeable. For my skating, Conical Full vs. Classics is clearly distinguishable. On Conical Fulls my already dadcore-style kickflips go even worse, 360 flips are mostly out of question, but on the other hand they seem to roll forwards like a freight train, which feels nice when having non-tech low impact sessions I mostly have nowadays.

What do you think, does Classic vs. Classic Full make a difference?

i think brimmer said something to the effect of: a classic full in say a 52, is the equivalent to a classic 54, after it’s been slid down to 52.
hopefully i got that right.
never had the fulls.

i love classics.
currently skating small sizes (52) of lock ins and conical fulls.
i completely identify with your take on the effect of wider wheels and flip tricks.

i have some 56 radial fulls and they look shocking.

[rawbertson.]

Reading about Conical vs. Radial Slims triggered a mild wheel shape madness here. I'm on slightly worn Classic 52s now, and have similarly worn Classic Full 52s on shelf. I wonder if the difference is noticeable. For my skating, Conical Full vs. Classics is clearly distinguishable. On Conical Fulls my already dadcore-style kickflips go even worse, 360 flips are mostly out of question, but on the other hand they seem to roll forwards like a freight train, which feels nice when having non-tech low impact sessions I mostly have nowadays.

What do you think, does Classic vs. Classic Full make a difference?

I am riding some old stock Classic Fulls right now and I rode the standard classics on the previous setup. They feel like they last longer and they are slower. Which makes a ton of sense if you think about it.

Does anyone know when the Spitfire Flame Head Logo came out?
From looking through CCS catalogs, it seems that the first time the Spitfire Classic Wheel was introduced was Fall 1996 and also seems to be the first time seeing the Flame Head logo. It's possible its older than that, I just couldn't seem to find examples of it in the older catalogs. It's funny because I think that logo is actually really great, possibly one of the best in all of skateboarding / most recognizeable, but at the same time it also feels like it was sort of just a rip off of Wet Willy / Flame Boy haha. Just kind of funny we give the spitfire one a pass when its almost the same thing but to me personally, its not even close to the same at all 

[fulfillthedream]

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Reading about Conical vs. Radial Slims triggered a mild wheel shape madness here. I'm on slightly worn Classic 52s now, and have similarly worn Classic Full 52s on shelf. I wonder if the difference is noticeable. For my skating, Conical Full vs. Classics is clearly distinguishable. On Conical Fulls my already dadcore-style kickflips go even worse, 360 flips are mostly out of question, but on the other hand they seem to roll forwards like a freight train, which feels nice when having non-tech low impact sessions I mostly have nowadays.

What do you think, does Classic vs. Classic Full make a difference?

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I am riding some old stock Classic Fulls right now and I rode the standard classics on the previous setup. They feel like they last longer and they are slower. Which makes a ton of sense if you think about it.

Does anyone know when the Spitfire Flame Head Logo came out?
From looking through CCS catalogs, it seems that the first time the Spitfire Classic Wheel was introduced was Fall 1996 and also seems to be the first time seeing the Flame Head logo. It's possible its older than that, I just couldn't seem to find examples of it in the older catalogs. It's funny because I think that logo is actually really great, possibly one of the best in all of skateboarding / most recognizeable, but at the same time it also feels like it was sort of just a rip off of Wet Willy / Flame Boy haha. Just kind of funny we give the spitfire one a pass when its almost the same thing but to me personally, its not even close to the same at all 

the latest Thrasher - or i think the Kader one has an article explaining iconic logos and stickers. Big head is def on there

[smg1138]

With the "full" craze, it kind of blows my mind that Classic Fulls have not made a return.

The Classic Full is one of my favorite wheel shapes of all time. Really wish DLX would bring them back.

[art hellman]

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Reading about Conical vs. Radial Slims triggered a mild wheel shape madness here. I'm on slightly worn Classic 52s now, and have similarly worn Classic Full 52s on shelf. I wonder if the difference is noticeable. For my skating, Conical Full vs. Classics is clearly distinguishable. On Conical Fulls my already dadcore-style kickflips go even worse, 360 flips are mostly out of question, but on the other hand they seem to roll forwards like a freight train, which feels nice when having non-tech low impact sessions I mostly have nowadays.

What do you think, does Classic vs. Classic Full make a difference?

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i think brimmer said something to the effect of: a classic full in say a 52, is the equivalent to a classic 54, after it’s been slid down to 52.
hopefully i got that right.
never had the fulls.

i love classics.
currently skating small sizes (52) of lock ins and conical fulls.
i completely identify with your take on the effect of wider wheels and flip tricks.

i have some 56 radial fulls and they look shocking.

agree with this line of thinking... I used to skate 54mm classics, but loved em even more after wearing them down for a while... so now I skate 52-53mm radials or conical fulls (what I feel to be an equivalent of a used - classic 54). 

I'd LOVE it if Spitfire made radial fulls in 50-52mm.  small and WIDE.

i have a set of the lil smokeys 49mm conical full, and the width is perfect, just wish they were a couple mm bigger to start with

[Sedition]

...On Conical Fulls my already dadcore-style kickflips go even worse, 360 flips are mostly out of question, but on the other hand they seem to roll forwards like a freight train, which feels nice when having non-tech low impact sessions I mostly have nowadays.

^ Spot on. The only other two things I'd add to Conical vs. Classic-type shape...(1) Classics slappy better, (2) Conicals have more of a lock/slight hesitation (on re-entry) with things like Pivots to Fakie, Feebles to Fakie, etc., and they (Conicals) require you to get a tad more on "top" of the coping, whereas Classics allow you be a tad more "in" the transition. Same with street feeble etc. grinds, too.  I like Classics better for those tricks. 

[CarcassToss]

Rounded sidewall > Conical/sidecut. Always. I have a theory that conicals are just easier to manufacture. They can mold and then cut the side. Sort of how they do with Tablets according to this thread. Radials and shit they have to mold at a curve and get more precise.

[Enrico Pallazzo]

Rounded sidewall > Conical/sidecut. Always. I have a theory that conicals are just easier to manufacture. They can mold and then cut the side. Sort of how they do with Tablets according to this thread. Radials and shit they have to mold at a curve and get more precise.

Is that accurate? My understanding was that all wheels are milled/cut down to size from a larger mold, rather than directly molded. I'm not super familiar though so maybe someone else can weigh in.

[Frank and Fred]

The other good thing about the classic shape is the way they wear down. Love seeing a 58 go down to a 54 and below... the contact patch widens nicely as the wheel shrinks and if you rotate them right the shape stays real nice.

[rocklobster]

Rounded sidewall > Conical/sidecut. Always.

Hence the Radial Slim love - rounded sidewall coupled with a wider riding patch.

But we soldier on...

[DERBY]

dlx should do a lil test drop with the radial slims and see how it sells. then yall should stock up and buy every single set as if it’s gonna be discontinued. that’ll result in an illusion of a demand by the masses. by then hopefully it’ll become a permanent shape for yall and yall will get to enjoy it

[moonordie]

Hey Spitfire, please get rid of Tablets and Lock in full and bring back radial slims and classic full.
Thanks.

[DERBY]

Hey Spitfire, please get rid of Tablets and Lock in full and bring back radial slims and classic full.
Thanks.

lmao next thing u know their next drops gonna be conical slim and tablet full

[moonordie]

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Hey Spitfire, please get rid of Tablets and Lock in full and bring back radial slims and classic full.
Thanks.

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lmao next thing u know their next drops gonna be conical slim and tablet full

😂

[Gnar_Gnar]

See with the whole wearing down classics thing, I just buy em radials or whatever and skip the break in process. 

Loving my curren 56s but damn are they heavy.  I got some f4 101 classics for skating parks but I rarely put em on.  Would probably be happiest with classic fulls