Spitfire formula four

[tzhangdox]

I've gone from classics to lock in fulls and while it certainly affects the way your board flips, I don't think a change in wheel shape (and not size) should make your flip tricks disappear. Takes some adjustment and then you're good.

There's a few tricks where I feel like a clunkier wheel almost works a lil better, namely fs flips in my experience. Fakie tres also roll and spin a bit too easily on classics sometimes. Clunkier wheels can keep it in check a lil I guess.

I don't think it should bother you that much going from conicals to fulls tbh

[Frank and Fred]

I've gone from classics to lock in fulls and while it certainly affects the way your board flips, I don't think a change in wheel shape (and not size) should make your flip tricks disappear.

I thought the same but it certainly fucks with me. When I go back to more rounded wheels Radials/ Classics my flips tricks come back. But I suck...

[144p]

Expand Quote

What are they changing with the 97's?

[close]

@144p has the most info but it seems they might be taking some of the juice from the new 93s and updating the 97s to have a higher rebound, making it faster and slide better.

All this, hopefully out sooner than later.

[Lou Strux]

Coming in hot this fall?
Putting my money on a Pedro Delfino pro model for the roll out.
What shapes they gonna come in?
@144p, what shape were/are you testing?

[Ok]

I've gone from classics to lock in fulls and while it certainly affects the way your board flips, I don't think a change in wheel shape (and not size) should make your flip tricks disappear. Takes some adjustment and then you're good.

There's a few tricks where I feel like a clunkier wheel almost works a lil better, namely fs flips in my experience. Fakie tres also roll and spin a bit too easily on classics sometimes. Clunkier wheels can keep it in check a lil I guess.

I don't think it should bother you that much going from conicals to fulls tbh

in this moment i’m skating one of the widest offerings (radial fulls, 99, 56). feels rad. looks bad, feels good.

would you recommend the lock in fulls?
what i have noticed is that absurdly wide wheels, do allow me to skate the hardness/formula i want, and still be able to cruise over cruddy roads

[Frank and Fred]

Coming in hot this fall?
Putting my money on a Pedro Delfino pro model for the roll out.
What shapes they gonna come in?
@144p, what shape were/are you testing?

The Pedro reformulated 97 is coming in a 55 and 57mmm but maybe you already knew that haha.

[144p]

Coming in hot this fall?
Putting my money on a Pedro Delfino pro model for the roll out.
What shapes they gonna come in?
@144p, what shape were/are you testing?

I got some og classic 56s.

[tzhangdox]

Expand Quote

I've gone from classics to lock in fulls and while it certainly affects the way your board flips, I don't think a change in wheel shape (and not size) should make your flip tricks disappear. Takes some adjustment and then you're good.

There's a few tricks where I feel like a clunkier wheel almost works a lil better, namely fs flips in my experience. Fakie tres also roll and spin a bit too easily on classics sometimes. Clunkier wheels can keep it in check a lil I guess.

I don't think it should bother you that much going from conicals to fulls tbh

[close]

in this moment i’m skating one of the widest offerings (radial fulls, 99, 56). feels rad. looks bad, feels good.

would you recommend the lock in fulls?
what i have noticed is that absurdly wide wheels, do allow me to skate the hardness/formula i want, and still be able to cruise over cruddy roads

I got them for free would not have paid money for them. Would definitely rather have had the radial fulls. If I'm skating the wheels that wide, I think any sort of rounded lip would have made them feel a tad less clunky

[Bongwater Mojito]

Got some 52mm Conical Fulls, I usually only ride the regular Conicals. Will I lose my last remaining flips now? I think after all, the Conical Fulls are only like 4 mm wider as the regular Conicals. My thinking was, that the Conical Fulls help with the crusty streets. And maybe locking in on coping, rails and ledges.

Anyone on here might rode both shapes and can say something about that experience?

Haven't been on regular Conicals, but 52mm Conical Fulls affected my skating much more I anticipated. I guess one can adapt, but personally I just feel my skating is better on something rounder, especially if I want to do the three or five flip tricks I still can get out of me in one session. If just slappies, Conical Fulls work very well.

Really, it's surprising how much 2mm of width and sharper edge and the few (?) grams of additional weight changes things.

[rawbertson.]

Personally, I don't see the point of current 97a offering. Doesn't feel like it offers me enough additional vibration resistance or grip than a 99a, and the slide is about the same. Id rather just have a better slide.

So it comes down to, do you skate more skateparks / perfect spots? or more street / rugged spots? That's why I have one setup for each which is obviously mental but if I had to take just one, I would probably just stick with the 99a cause i am not really skating enough shitty spots to make them super worth it.

I am finding that riding a 56mm radial shape on Indy's actually seems to work better for heel varials for me for some reason. I can get them every single try, where I struggle to get them on Thunders + 52mm classics. boosted up setup gives you so much more pop if you have the leg power.

[Frank and Fred]

Thew new 97 is being described as, "the perfect balance between the 93s and 99s."

[rocklobster]

Thew new 97 is being described as, "the perfect balance between the 93s and 99s."

Now release them in shapes people actually want to skate (Radial Slims, Classic Fulls), but they'll probably stick to Classics and Conical Fulls.

(gotta keep the dream alive)

[Frank and Fred]

Looks like Radials, Conical Fulls and Radial Fulls, in Fall Drops 1 and 2.

[Sedition]

Expand Quote

Thew new 97 is being described as, "the perfect balance between the 93s and 99s."

[close]

Now release them in shapes people actually want to skate (Radial Slims, Classic Fulls), but they'll probably stick to Classics and Conical Fulls.

(gotta keep the dream alive)

I've seriously thought about creating an Instagram feed "Bring Back Radial Slims/Classic Fulls" as a way to put some pressure on DLX to make them again.

[rocklobster]

Looks like Radials, Conical Fulls and Radial Fulls, in Fall Drops 1 and 2.

[Frank and Fred]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Thew new 97 is being described as, "the perfect balance between the 93s and 99s."

[close]

Now release them in shapes people actually want to skate (Radial Slims, Classic Fulls), but they'll probably stick to Classics and Conical Fulls.

(gotta keep the dream alive)

[close]

I've seriously thought about creating an Instagram feed "Bring Back Radial Slims/Classic Fulls" as a way to put some pressure on DLX to make them again.

Slap campaigns have worked before. We got a GrimpleHuffer and we are getting a wheel-welled Huffer. Maybe we played a roll in those... I've used the Feedback feature before to demand the product we deserve. About to resume my campaign for a Huffer slick.

Bighead F4s coming in Fall Drop 1 but looks to be pretty limited.

[rocklobster]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Thew new 97 is being described as, "the perfect balance between the 93s and 99s."

[close]

Now release them in shapes people actually want to skate (Radial Slims, Classic Fulls), but they'll probably stick to Classics and Conical Fulls.

(gotta keep the dream alive)

[close]

I've seriously thought about creating an Instagram feed "Bring Back Radial Slims/Classic Fulls" as a way to put some pressure on DLX to make them again.

[close]

Slap campaigns have worked before. We got a GrimpleHuffer and we are getting a wheel-welled Huffer. Maybe we played a roll in those... I've used the Feedback feature before to demand the product we deserve. About to resume my campaign for a Huffer slick.

Bighead F4s coming in Fall Drop 1 but looks to be pretty limited.

I like to believe that Slap helped get Pete Eldridge on Mystery even though JT claims to have had plans to put him on. I like our version better.

[fulfillthedream]

arent big heads a classic wide? if thats the case they've had classic wides from the very first drop of the f4's back in 2013 i think

[Xen]

Looks like Radials, Conical Fulls and Radial Fulls, in Fall Drops 1 and 2.

Radials it is then. Hopefully in sizes other then hesh.

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Thew new 97 is being described as, "the perfect balance between the 93s and 99s."

[close]

Now release them in shapes people actually want to skate (Radial Slims, Classic Fulls), but they'll probably stick to Classics and Conical Fulls.

(gotta keep the dream alive)

[close]

I've seriously thought about creating an Instagram feed "Bring Back Radial Slims/Classic Fulls" as a way to put some pressure on DLX to make them again.

Hit them up on insta...hit them up here: https://www.dlxsf.com/now-its-your-turn/ - it does work and they do respond (and they get requests for radial slims quite a bit...at least that's the response to my request for them said).

[rawbertson.]

There is a reason I chose Classic, Radial, and Conical Full as the wheel shape to show in my profile image, and its because they are all roughly the same width, just with different riding surfaces - Classic having the skinniest, Radial in the middle, and Conical Full on the high end.

From what I have seen just looking at what wheel shapes seem to keep coming out over and over again, and which ones people tend to ride and praise the most, its these 3. I think Spitfire kinda knows that this width works really well for a lot of things. Most of the people I look at who do setup review or who i see in the wild ride either Classic or Conical Full. For me personally, the Radial is right in the middle, goldilocks zone. I love this wheel shape. Even whne it ends up conical full at least it will still lock in really well which is mostly what I like. by that point the wheel will be quite small and it wont matter as much, it will feel a bit easier to tip with the smaller profile and lighter weight

[Lou Strux]

I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?
Surely somebody else loves this wheel as much as I do?
Nice, higher lip locks in proper, but not as heavy/bulky as the Coni Fulls, so rotational & flip tricks don’t suffer as much. Lighter set up too.
F4 Conical 99s in 54mm all day: that’s my wheel.
I’m always running at least one set amidst a rotating selection of other profiles (Conical Fulls, Radials, Lock-Ins, etc.)
Anybody else got love for the basic Conical?

[BartHarleyJarvis]

I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?
Surely somebody else loves this wheel as much as I do?
Nice, higher lip locks in proper, but not as heavy/bulky as the Coni Fulls, so rotational & flip tricks don’t suffer as much. Lighter set up too.
F4 Conical 99s in 54mm all day: that’s my wheel.
I’m always running at least one set amidst a rotating selection of other profiles (Conical Fulls, Radials, Lock-Ins, etc.)
Anybody else got love for the basic Conical?

[bombsaway86]

I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?
Surely somebody else loves this wheel as much as I do?
Nice, higher lip locks in proper, but not as heavy/bulky as the Coni Fulls, so rotational & flip tricks don’t suffer as much. Lighter set up too.
F4 Conical 99s in 54mm all day: that’s my wheel.
I’m always running at least one set amidst a rotating selection of other profiles (Conical Fulls, Radials, Lock-Ins, etc.)
Anybody else got love for the basic Conical?

Regular conical is my favorite Spitfire shape. I wish they made them in 58mm

[Frank and Fred]

Expand Quote

I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?
Surely somebody else loves this wheel as much as I do?
Nice, higher lip locks in proper, but not as heavy/bulky as the Coni Fulls, so rotational & flip tricks don’t suffer as much. Lighter set up too.
F4 Conical 99s in 54mm all day: that’s my wheel.
I’m always running at least one set amidst a rotating selection of other profiles (Conical Fulls, Radials, Lock-Ins, etc.)
Anybody else got love for the basic Conical?

[close]

Regular conical is my favorite Spitfire shape. I wish they made them in 58mm

They have in the past. I remember a set of Lance 58s in a conical that treated me nicely. 3 white with one, yellow/ red swirl.

[Mbrimson88]

arent big heads a classic wide? if thats the case they've had classic wides from the very first drop of the f4's back in 2013 i think

Xen posted on the last page the profile image:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg4210542#msg4210542


Big head shape is only about 1 mm wider than the Classic shape overall in the same diameter wheels, so although that is the same for the smaller sizes in Formula Four Classic vs Classic Full, once it hits 56 mm, the Classic Full shape got a lot wider, almost like the Radial shape in 58 mm got a lot wider than the smaller sizes, by comparison.  Sure it is only one or two mm here or there, but it still makes a big difference, as per all the requests for Radial Slims - that nicely squared off looking wheel with a round edge that gets on and off everything with just the right amount of grip to slip.


Classic Full sizes correct to 54mm from their backing sheet and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


Thinking about the older era before Formula Four wheels, the funny thing is that bigger wider but still round shape of wheel was the number one shape through the original Spitfire wheel era in the 90s and 00s and I still have a lot of older "original" formula wheels in various sizes that were wider than the current wheels now, eg 56 x 36, 57 x 36.5, even 59 mm Bigheads used to be almost 40 mm wide, but now tap out around 37 mm in width, much like the Formula Four Classic 60 mm wheels.


I see they have also updated the Shapes page with Classic and Radial at the top now, not the Full shapes, which are at the bottom.  Wondering if this is a sign of things to come, as in although they are still making and selling a lot of the wider wheels, just the normal Classic and Radial might be the main ones moving forward.

Of course Conical Full is still a very popular wheel shape, but the other Full shapes seem almost more just a trend, than a standard line.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

[Dwyck]

I skated 99 conical fulls and classics on and off for the last decade. Just set up 99 OG classics and theyre pretty nice. There's just less wheel than the CF which I like. Kickflips feel like they come up a little easier (though that's just madness talking probably). Will probably roll around on someones 93s and try those eventually too, but maybe I'll wait for a shape besides classics and radial

[144p]

Radial full, conical full and lock-in full make up a significant amount of our business.
Classics are behind them with tablet/conical/radial being equal with minimal interest unless the wheel graphic matches the board or something.

[144p]

Og classic is a weird one since it’s not super wide but has sidecut. It’s probably tied with the regular classic.

[bombsaway86]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?
Surely somebody else loves this wheel as much as I do?
Nice, higher lip locks in proper, but not as heavy/bulky as the Coni Fulls, so rotational & flip tricks don’t suffer as much. Lighter set up too.
F4 Conical 99s in 54mm all day: that’s my wheel.
I’m always running at least one set amidst a rotating selection of other profiles (Conical Fulls, Radials, Lock-Ins, etc.)
Anybody else got love for the basic Conical?

[close]

Regular conical is my favorite Spitfire shape. I wish they made them in 58mm

[close]

They have in the past. I remember a set of Lance 58s in a conical that treated me nicely. 3 white with one, yellow/ red swirl.

I remember those and deeply regret not buying multiple sets

[Ok]

Radial full, conical full and lock-in full make up a significant amount of our business.
Classics are behind them with tablet/conical/radial being equal with minimal interest unless the wheel graphic matches the board or something.

had the best session of the last several months, last nigh, on some radial fulls that i got from ya’ll.
i don’t see as many radial fulls listed online these days, but maybe i’m off.
lock-in fulls look a bit much, but maybe someone chimes in with more feedback on em.

what i’ve noticed about the ridiculously wide wheels: nollie ollie better. not sure why, maybe more stable? roll over stuff, which led to me feeling confident and skating faster. wheels had the ‘correct’ feedback aka f4 99s.
i was skating a new deck, that felt a lot lighter than the old girl board i had been using.
i might want to get super light trucks to offset the heavier wheels.