Spitfire formula four

[144p]

And the radial and classic 93’s did well but that was less about shape and more about the durometer imo.

[rawbertson.]

I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?

I pointed out that a Radial Slim is almost identical to a conical earlier, which is a wheel people seem to go mental over in here

its very close... consider for a 54mm example:

Conical
32
20

Radial Slim
31
19.5

its only 1 mm wider, and .5mm more of a riding surface. This doesn't seem different enough to me to bother offering both SKUs in one drop, and I like the sound of the conical one better anyway. It would probably feel very similar, but last longer.


The only pro I have seen ride Conical specifically is Ryuhei Kitazume, who is one of my favorite skaters (LENZ III Tightbooth)
I am pretty interested in that wheel in 54mm
https://thinkempire.com/collections/regular-skateboard-wheels/products/spitfire-x-sci-fi-fantasy-f4-dyson-conical-wheels-2024
I would fuck with this for sure, this sounds like a great wheel.

Another thing worth noting is this drop it seems like you can only get them in 101a across the 3 sizes offered unless you get the sci fi fantasy one (at least from Empire in Canada which is a decent representation of what i see in shops etc - usually they have everything)

[Ok]

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I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?

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I pointed out that a Radial Slim is almost identical to a conical earlier, which is a wheel people seem to go mental over in here

its very close... consider for a 54mm example:

Conical
32
20

Radial Slim
31
19.5

its only 1 mm wider, and .5mm more of a riding surface. This doesn't seem different enough to me to bother offering both SKUs in one drop, and I like the sound of the conical one better anyway. It would probably feel very similar, but last longer.


The only pro I have seen ride Conical specifically is Ryuhei Kitazume, who is one of my favorite skaters (LENZ III Tightbooth)
I am pretty interested in that wheel in 54mm
https://thinkempire.com/collections/regular-skateboard-wheels/products/spitfire-x-sci-fi-fantasy-f4-dyson-conical-wheels-2024
I would fuck with this for sure, this sounds like a great wheel.

Another thing worth noting is this drop it seems like you can only get them in 101a across the 3 sizes offered unless you get the sci fi fantasy one (at least from Empire in Canada which is a decent representation of what i see in shops etc - usually they have everything)

@Xen
@rocklobster
@rikki

what say ye gentlemen? did raw b just crack the code?

i like that so many like the slims, they were ok for me. i think i only had one set, bought an xmas complete, early alltimers board (ball forever, great callback to a fave future song).
anyways, i had one good session on a new deck and big ass wheels so that’s my shit now, for lyfe***







*** i’ll be back in the madness thread after my next time out ‘skating’, offering hj’s for advice on wb, and asking folks what their favorite wheel in 1999 was

[MC3]

Y’all got me watching clips for the wheel shape now

[Sedition]

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I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?

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I pointed out that a Radial Slim is almost identical to a conical earlier, which is a wheel people seem to go mental over in here

its very close... consider for a 54mm example:

Conical
32
20

Radial Slim
31
19.5

its only 1 mm wider, and .5mm more of a riding surface. This doesn't seem different enough to me to bother offering both SKUs in one drop, and I like the sound of the conical one better anyway. It would probably feel very similar, but last longer.


The only pro I have seen ride Conical specifically is Ryuhei Kitazume, who is one of my favorite skaters (LENZ III Tightbooth)
I am pretty interested in that wheel in 54mm
https://thinkempire.com/collections/regular-skateboard-wheels/products/spitfire-x-sci-fi-fantasy-f4-dyson-conical-wheels-2024
I would fuck with this for sure, this sounds like a great wheel.

Another thing worth noting is this drop it seems like you can only get them in 101a across the 3 sizes offered unless you get the sci fi fantasy one (at least from Empire in Canada which is a decent representation of what i see in shops etc - usually they have everything)

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@Xen
@rocklobster
@rikki

what say ye gentlemen? did raw b just crack the code?

I ride 53mm.

53mm Conical: 32 20
53 Rad Slim: 30.5 19

The effect of size difference is not proportional to the effect side cut difference, and that is why Rad Slims are good wheels: More riding surface than Classics, with a rounded side profile, but not the obtuse ballast and girth radial/radial full.

[RichardBarkley]

What shape has the thinnest contact surface area?

[DERBY]

What shape has the thinnest contact surface area?

classic

[nollieboulala]

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Haven’t flatspotted spitfires in a loooong time. Bought some brand new OG classic 55s and they flatspotted first session just barely sliding down a bank at a 1 year old skatepark with perfect ground. Thought that didn’t happen anymore?

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Probably you got regular OG classics?

Ah that must be it. Didn’t even realize.

[Unkle Fleak]

Still loving my 97a coni 58s. If I didn't have um. Idk what I'd do now I'm of guitar for a week minimum.

I'm thinking about copping Xmas complete to boost spirits. In celebration of my PT job. I just got the schedule.

Its all good. I am blessed. The injury is a speed bump.

[Xen]

It's not all about wheel dims but also wheel shape: lip/cut.

Otherwise we'd all be riding the same shape in different sizes.

[rikki]

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I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?

[close]

I pointed out that a Radial Slim is almost identical to a conical earlier, which is a wheel people seem to go mental over in here

its very close... consider for a 54mm example:

Conical
32
20

Radial Slim
31
19.5

its only 1 mm wider, and .5mm more of a riding surface. This doesn't seem different enough to me to bother offering both SKUs in one drop, and I like the sound of the conical one better anyway. It would probably feel very similar, but last longer.


The only pro I have seen ride Conical specifically is Ryuhei Kitazume, who is one of my favorite skaters (LENZ III Tightbooth)
I am pretty interested in that wheel in 54mm
https://thinkempire.com/collections/regular-skateboard-wheels/products/spitfire-x-sci-fi-fantasy-f4-dyson-conical-wheels-2024
I would fuck with this for sure, this sounds like a great wheel.

Another thing worth noting is this drop it seems like you can only get them in 101a across the 3 sizes offered unless you get the sci fi fantasy one (at least from Empire in Canada which is a decent representation of what i see in shops etc - usually they have everything)

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@Xen
@rocklobster
@rikki

what say ye gentlemen? did raw b just crack the code?

i like that so many like the slims, they were ok for me. i think i only had one set, bought an xmas complete, early alltimers board (ball forever, great callback to a fave future song).
anyways, i had one good session on a new deck and big ass wheels so that’s my shit now, for lyfe***

Nah, looking at dims only misses the point. It's more about the shape of the wheels, like others also pointed out. I mean, it's not like Conical is a bad wheel, but for peeps who like rounded sidewalls and might feel that Radial is too wide and Classic dims are "off", Radial Slim pretty much brings a perfect synergy.

I can be happy with Radials and Classics and Bones V5's, and no, I can't switch tre on any f*cking wheel, but still, some wheels just feel RIGHT.

[Ok]

also can’t switch tre.
i can pose the fuck out of em tho. like it looks like i could land it.
i won’t land it.

[Frank and Fred]

also can’t switch tre.
i can pose the fuck out of em tho. like it looks like i could land it.
i won’t land it.

That's where I am at also. Let's make 2024 the year we nail 'em @ok

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also can’t switch tre.
i can pose the fuck out of em tho. like it looks like i could land it.
i won’t land it.

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That's where I am at also. Let's make 2024 the year we nail 'em @ok

i promised flea and then i’ve just really been a shitbag about it.
i love this idea. upwards and onwards

[Xen]

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I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?

[close]

I pointed out that a Radial Slim is almost identical to a conical earlier, which is a wheel people seem to go mental over in here

its very close... consider for a 54mm example:

Conical
32
20

Radial Slim
31
19.5

its only 1 mm wider, and .5mm more of a riding surface. This doesn't seem different enough to me to bother offering both SKUs in one drop, and I like the sound of the conical one better anyway. It would probably feel very similar, but last longer.


The only pro I have seen ride Conical specifically is Ryuhei Kitazume, who is one of my favorite skaters (LENZ III Tightbooth)
I am pretty interested in that wheel in 54mm
https://thinkempire.com/collections/regular-skateboard-wheels/products/spitfire-x-sci-fi-fantasy-f4-dyson-conical-wheels-2024
I would fuck with this for sure, this sounds like a great wheel.

Another thing worth noting is this drop it seems like you can only get them in 101a across the 3 sizes offered unless you get the sci fi fantasy one (at least from Empire in Canada which is a decent representation of what i see in shops etc - usually they have everything)

[close]

@Xen
@rocklobster
@rikki

what say ye gentlemen? did raw b just crack the code?

i like that so many like the slims, they were ok for me. i think i only had one set, bought an xmas complete, early alltimers board (ball forever, great callback to a fave future song).
anyways, i had one good session on a new deck and big ass wheels so that’s my shit now, for lyfe***

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I mean, it's not like Conical is a bad wheel, but for peeps who like rounded sidewalls and might feel that Radial is too wide and Classic dims are "off", Radial Slim pretty much brings a perfect synergy.

All of that.

I'd take a equal height conical over a classic 99% of the time. I don't dislike classics persay, I just feel they are weirdly wide for what they offer/for no reason, especially when you compare them to a BONE V5 shape.

Bring back the Reynold's Classic slim (I'll settle for this over radial slims).

[gsosa]

I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?
Surely somebody else loves this wheel as much as I do?
Nice, higher lip locks in proper, but not as heavy/bulky as the Coni Fulls, so rotational & flip tricks don’t suffer as much. Lighter set up too.
F4 Conical 99s in 54mm all day: that’s my wheel.
I’m always running at least one set amidst a rotating selection of other profiles (Conical Fulls, Radials, Lock-Ins, etc.)
Anybody else got love for the basic Conical?

Conicals are the best ones for sure!!! OG Classics are a close second since they are very similar but I like Conicals a bit more.

[rocklobster]

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I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?

[close]

I pointed out that a Radial Slim is almost identical to a conical earlier, which is a wheel people seem to go mental over in here

its very close... consider for a 54mm example:

Conical
32
20

Radial Slim
31
19.5

its only 1 mm wider, and .5mm more of a riding surface. This doesn't seem different enough to me to bother offering both SKUs in one drop, and I like the sound of the conical one better anyway. It would probably feel very similar, but last longer.


The only pro I have seen ride Conical specifically is Ryuhei Kitazume, who is one of my favorite skaters (LENZ III Tightbooth)
I am pretty interested in that wheel in 54mm
https://thinkempire.com/collections/regular-skateboard-wheels/products/spitfire-x-sci-fi-fantasy-f4-dyson-conical-wheels-2024
I would fuck with this for sure, this sounds like a great wheel.

Another thing worth noting is this drop it seems like you can only get them in 101a across the 3 sizes offered unless you get the sci fi fantasy one (at least from Empire in Canada which is a decent representation of what i see in shops etc - usually they have everything)

[close]

@Xen
@rocklobster
@rikki

what say ye gentlemen? did raw b just crack the code?

i like that so many like the slims, they were ok for me. i think i only had one set, bought an xmas complete, early alltimers board (ball forever, great callback to a fave future song).
anyways, i had one good session on a new deck and big ass wheels so that’s my shit now, for lyfe***

[close]

Nah, looking at dims only misses the point. It's more about the shape of the wheels, like others also pointed out. I mean, it's not like Conical is a bad wheel, but for peeps who like rounded sidewalls and might feel that Radial is too wide and Classic dims are "off", Radial Slim pretty much brings a perfect synergy.

I can be happy with Radials and Classics and Bones V5's, and no, I can't switch tre on any f*cking wheel, but still, some wheels just feel RIGHT.

It probably is that simple, but we live with the madness which necessitates making things needlessly complicated.

OK fine I'll ride some conicals, are you happy now Spitfire?!

[rikki]

We are all blessed and priviliged. With all the available wheel options of today, too.

It's just I wouldn't mind being a bit more blessed and priviliged in the form of Spitfire Radial Slims.

May Jah hear and bless us all and provide rain for us.

[Mbrimson88]

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I can’t possibly be alone in thinking the regular Conical shape is the best, can I?

[close]

I pointed out that a Radial Slim is almost identical to a conical earlier, which is a wheel people seem to go mental over in here

its very close... consider for a 54mm example:

Conical
32
20

Radial Slim
31
19.5

its only 1 mm wider, and .5mm more of a riding surface. This doesn't seem different enough to me to bother offering both SKUs in one drop, and I like the sound of the conical one better anyway. It would probably feel very similar, but last longer.


The only pro I have seen ride Conical specifically is Ryuhei Kitazume, who is one of my favorite skaters (LENZ III Tightbooth)
I am pretty interested in that wheel in 54mm
https://thinkempire.com/collections/regular-skateboard-wheels/products/spitfire-x-sci-fi-fantasy-f4-dyson-conical-wheels-2024
I would fuck with this for sure, this sounds like a great wheel.

Another thing worth noting is this drop it seems like you can only get them in 101a across the 3 sizes offered unless you get the sci fi fantasy one (at least from Empire in Canada which is a decent representation of what i see in shops etc - usually they have everything)

[close]

@Xen
@rocklobster
@rikki

what say ye gentlemen? did raw b just crack the code?

i like that so many like the slims, they were ok for me. i think i only had one set, bought an xmas complete, early alltimers board (ball forever, great callback to a fave future song).
anyways, i had one good session on a new deck and big ass wheels so that’s my shit now, for lyfe***

[close]

Nah, looking at dims only misses the point. It's more about the shape of the wheels, like others also pointed out. I mean, it's not like Conical is a bad wheel, but for peeps who like rounded sidewalls and might feel that Radial is too wide and Classic dims are "off", Radial Slim pretty much brings a perfect synergy.

I can be happy with Radials and Classics and Bones V5's, and no, I can't switch tre on any f*cking wheel, but still, some wheels just feel RIGHT.

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It probably is that simple, but we live with the madness which necessitates making things needlessly complicated.

OK fine I'll ride some conicals, are you happy now Spitfire?!

Without flogging this one to death, the angle grinded Conicals came out really well to make them look and feel just like Radial Slims.  Just put them on a board with bearings spinning, getting the grinder on each side a little and rounded into the riding surface, flip the wheel over and do that to all four and within a minute they are rounded and ready to roll.

I actually do that with the excess of used Conical Full wheels I get back in and they skate so well, nice rounded edge but a wider profile, but that's what I prefer, a smaller, fatter wheel.


* Yeah I know I have said that maybe too many times, but it is pretty quick and easy and it worked really well once you get the hang of it.

[rawbertson.]

I see what you are saying, because they can cut the radius different and also do different stuff with the side walls. It would be nice if there was a number to attach to this kind of stuff.

If you ask me, a conical and radial cut looks exactly the same. I can't really tell the difference...



it looks like they do something fancy with the side walls, but as far as the actual edge, it looks so similar to me lol. its not something id lose sleep over personally! but i understand there is a difference here. I think these ones would wear down slightly different because of the way the side walls are too i suppose.

[frtzgn95]

I see what you are saying, because they can cut the radius different and also do different stuff with the side walls. It would be nice if there was a number to attach to this kind of stuff.

If you ask me, a conical and radial cut looks exactly the same. I can't really tell the difference...



it looks like they do something fancy with the side walls, but as far as the actual edge, it looks so similar to me lol. its not something id lose sleep over personally! but i understand there is a difference here. I think these ones would wear down slightly different because of the way the side walls are too i suppose.

https://cdn.skatedeluxe.com/thumb/X_v-fpeemANUbirbyU8x-jkli5o=/fit-in/1500x1749/filters:fill(white):brightness(-4)/product/162864-0-Spitfire-FormulaFourRadial.jpg
https://cdn.skatedeluxe.com/thumb/fMPYYPGwACJGQHcflFWx4HlEb_0=/fit-in/1500x1749/filters:fill(white):brightness(-4)/product/160344-0-Spitfire-FormulaFourConical.jpg

i didn't want to use [img...\img] but...

I've sent you two photo links. Open them in two different tabs and switch between the tabs to easily spot the differences in shapes between the two photos. it is easier too see the difference that way. radials are more round and has more side wall. conicals is more steep and has less side wall. conical is side cut also as we all know but we can't see in the picture.

edit: Additionally, the riding surfaces seem to grow faster until the conical shapes completely turn into squares.

[rawbertson.]

oh yeah it almost looks completely straight across the corner on the conical where the Radial looks nice and round
I noticed that my conical fulls wore down very square like compared to my classics, so that makes sense

[Xen]

56 Natural and 60mm Black Urethane, each set comes with one mint wheel just the way Lance likes ’em.

F4 99DU - Conical Full Shape.

[fakiefs180]

First session on the 52mm 99a Conical Fulls.
I was fairly exhausted after work and just wanted to chill. But also wanted to go skate really badly, so I went.
These wheels are awesome, very nice ride in my crusty skatepark and the pop felt really good today. But maybe it was the 7 day break from skating and my legs got some rest. Only thing that felt different was the lock in on coping, but that could also be because lip tricks are mad scary to me.

Do any of you find, they get a crispier pop on wider wheels or was that just in my head?

[Ok]

First session on the 52mm 99a Conical Fulls.
I was fairly exhausted after work and just wanted to chill. But also wanted to go skate really badly, so I went.
These wheels are awesome, very nice ride in my crusty skatepark and the pop felt really good today. But maybe it was the 7 day break from skating and my legs got some rest. Only thing that felt different was the lock in on coping, but that could also be because lip tricks are mad scary to me.

Do any of you find, they get a crispier pop on wider wheels or was that just in my head?

i wouldn’t call it crispier, but i get better pop with wider wheels, and certainly with taller wheels.


i used to do this really shameful ‘skatepark hero’ thing where i’d slowly (so slowly) roll over to a quarter pipe or whatever was ‘tall’ and try and ollie onto the deck, from flat. this is like 25 years ago. anyways, ee3 was popping, big wheels, risers, higher ollie’s.

[Bristol_Palin]

Wheels

[rawbertson.]

56 Natural and 60mm Black Urethane, each set comes with one mint wheel just the way Lance likes ’em.

F4 99DU - Conical Full Shape.

these look so amazing
I kinda want to get both

I feel like I am skating WAY better on 56mm wheels. I have been trying to do low setups for ages but they just dont feel right. 8.75" egg on 149 feels really really good balance of stability for how tippy i go with the wheels at this bigger size. I can kinda see why wider wheel is so hype too, so you can have a bit more stability on those tippier setups.

 My pop on flip tricks just feels insane now, even with rails and heavy ass indy standard. I think because I skated on a setup like this for so long it will always just feel a lot easier to me than using thunders or ventures unless I boost them up with a riser. might have to experiment more with this. Small wheel though i am just not seeing enough benefits compared to the big wheels. I dont think anyone else making wheels as fat as spitfire either.

tl;dr i think if you are not graceful, you should just have a beast setup with big fat wheels. that seems to work well for me anyway 

[DERBY]

does dyeing change the formula of the wheels?

 have a set of 58mm 93s and they’re pretty much perfect for me. they slide better than a 99. better as in easier control and initiate slides. they also havent been biting on metal coping. they handle crust well and dont feel sticky. when i first got em i threw in boiling dye for a few minutes.

my brother just set up some 56mm 93s and they feel off. theyre sticky as fuck

[Mbrimson88]

does dyeing change the formula of the wheels?

 have a set of 58mm 93s and they’re pretty much perfect for me. they slide better than a 99. better as in easier control and initiate slides. they also havent been biting on metal coping. they handle crust well and dont feel sticky. when i first got em i threw in boiling dye for a few minutes.

my brother just set up some 56mm 93s and they feel off. theyre sticky as fuck

I wouldn't think so, but who knows - you might be on to a secret from the soft sliders to make them hard sliders?


Any which way, we need some pics to see what you did.

[DERBY]

Any which way, we need some pics to see what you did.

of the dyeing process? if so i followed what this person did

https://youtu.be/2LIt3cufk6I?feature=shared