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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6540 on: August 10, 2024, 01:32:53 AM »
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Friendly reminder that even Spitfire can't just bring any and all shapes to market at will, but is bound by the same economic principles as all other businesses. It's simply cost-prohibitive to drop all kinds of shapes at the same time. The 93s dropped, what, 4-5 months ago? Even if they started the work on other shapes before the release, it's going to take considerable time in R&D before they are ready to be mass produced. Making shit is fucking complicated. I'd encourage some of y'all to keep that in mind whenever you wonder why company X doesn't simply make whatever product Y you want.
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I hear that, but I don’t totally accept it. Nobody was clamouring for all the guff in the last couple drops, including brand-new shapes(!) that I can see, some of it has been met with derision on here (hardly representative may be true).

Feels like they’re confusing the basics when competition is the fiercest it’s been in years.

Or they’re not sure if they don’t want to flood the pipeline  and suppress future sales should the new 97’s fly….

I’ll eat my words if they eventually pop out of the moulds like the rest sure, but I’m over it personally, not expecting them to be a thing ever.

Taking a break and maybe try some new wheel candy in 2026


the notion that skaters would prefer a 93a 60mm classic shape, vs. ANY full shape in any size, is a logical departure. why even bother to engineer a 93a formula when you have the best ATV shape moulds on the market, and actively choose not to use them? the idea that it takes additional R&D to pour the same formula into a radial full  as a standard radial is straight up gaslighting.



Working in and hanging out in skate shops for a long, long time, I guess you could say I have heard it all, when it comes to wants and demands for product, so in terms of what some people are asking for and not getting, that is perfectly understandable really.

Look at the posts of people asking for Radial Slim over the last how ever many pages here and in the wheels thread and I would have thought that it would amount to a lot of interest, but it seems that is not quite the case overall, as DLX really does keep their finger on the pulse of skateboarding a fair bit better than some companies, it would seem.

Sure the wide wheel trend is in full effect for some people, places, shops or whatever too, but there are still a lot of people riding Classics, maybe more overall, but I don't know enough to get into specifics there either, given that is maybe more just my take on it from selling more Classics than any other wheel too.

As to which formula and which size comes out next, I always see a number of people stoked and a number of people not happy, when looking at any comments on new product social media posts, but it still seems like they have most areas covered when it comes to different shapes, sizes, duro options, etc.

Holding that Radial 58 mm 93 duro wheel in my hand here, I can see it is plenty big and wide enough (38 mm wide, so that is definitely in FULL territory there) but sure it still looks smaller than the 60 mm Radial Full I also have here, or a 60 mm x 44 mm Rat Bones wheel, but then even the 93 duro Dragon formula shape of that wheel is only 60 x 39 so not that much bigger, so you could just get that one next and see how you go with it, if it works out for you or anything?


I guess at the end of the day, they bring out wheels - if you like them, you can ride them, but if you don't like them, you can ride something else, no worry at all to me any which way, but then yes this is a skateboard forum where people come to talk, to have opinions and everything else, so it is also a place where freedom to complain or bring up unhappy moments is also quite common, so I understand when you want something that you just can't get, this is going to be the place to bring it up too.

I had deleted and re written this post a couple of times, as I felt like I was coming off in a way I didn't want to - might still sound negative, but more just meaning to illustrate the differences, or the similarities, but any which way, if you want something like a different shape, duro or whatever from DLX, the best thing to do is go to the DLX page and submit a request and see what comes of it.  They might even tell you more than you are getting from people on here, with regard to products in the pipeline that industry people don't know about too.


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6541 on: August 10, 2024, 02:15:44 AM »
Just got some formula four wheels re stocked today and some have the sticker that says new formula.
Not all but some do.
Pic of that please?
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6542 on: August 10, 2024, 02:31:29 AM »
Dlx has good telemetry on what sells and what doesn't both nationwide and globally. Finger is definitely on the pulse. And sadly people on slap being vocal about certain wheel sizes and shapes etc is not even close to representative of aggregate demand.... as much as I too, would like radial slims again lmao

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6543 on: August 10, 2024, 08:19:23 AM »



https://www.dlxsf.com/now-its-your-turn/



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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6544 on: August 10, 2024, 11:20:06 AM »
Just got some formula four wheels re stocked today and some have the sticker that says new formula.
Not all but some do.

The 97s or something else?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6545 on: August 10, 2024, 12:16:28 PM »
97 updated formula, here is the sticker. I noticed about half our wheels had the stickers and the ones with them were darker colored than the ones without.
After riding old 97, updated 97, 93’s and 99’s at the same park I have a few personal observations.

Updated 97 is faster at the skatepark than the original. Slide on tail slides barks/squeals more.
I might prefer the 93 to updated 97 as the 93 might slide better(could have just felt off on my skating that day or the ledges needed more wax).
Went back to 99’s and they are faster at the park, but not sure my knees can handle the vibration in the streets.
Also feel the 93 slid better at my park than both versions of 97’s and 99’s.
Still don’t feel like I have that best all around option, but the updated 97 might be it. The 93’s feel
Super good but as stated they do wear out faster than the other options.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6546 on: August 10, 2024, 12:43:25 PM »
Guys if your knees are killing you from vibrations standing on a board you gotta invest some time off the board doing some kind of load bearing exercise. You hear a lot of pros talk about the benefits of doing so and skating alone won't cut it. I fought the "fuck the gym bro stuff" for years but I skate better and longer at 40 than I did at 30.

Back to wheels I got some of the new 97's with that sticker. I had the opposite experience in session 1 they felt like they slid better on coping than the 93's. I wasn't a big fan of the old 97 so they're inherently better than those. We have a new ditch to bank spot we've all been skating that I'm heading to tonight will report back.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6547 on: August 10, 2024, 01:06:50 PM »
97 updated formula, here is the sticker. I noticed about half our wheels had the stickers and the ones with them were darker colored than the ones without.
After riding old 97, updated 97, 93’s and 99’s at the same park I have a few personal observations.

Updated 97 is faster at the skatepark than the original. Slide on tail slides barks/squeals more.
I might prefer the 93 to updated 97 as the 93 might slide better (could have just felt off on my skating that day or the ledges needed more wax).
Went back to 99’s and they are faster at the park, but not sure my knees can handle the vibration in the streets.
Also feel the 93 slid better at my park than both versions of 97’s and 99’s.
Still don’t feel like I have that best all around option, but the updated 97 might be it. The 93’s feel
Super good but as stated they do wear out faster than the other options.


Sounds like we're still sorta where we are with the powell offerings: the softer one aborbs better, one slides better and one barks better, but the better barking wheel [harder] isn't the better sliding wheel. From what you listed, smells like the x97/spit 93s and x99/spit 97a kind of match up. I'll still nab some, but was really hoping the spit 97a would be the 'one' offering the best bark and slide at the cost of being as vibration absorbant as the rest.

OG classics and what other shape(s) did you get in with the sticker?

Guys if your knees are killing you from vibrations standing on a board you gotta invest some time off the board doing some kind of load bearing exercise. You hear a lot of pros talk about the benefits of doing so and skating alone won't cut it. I fought the "fuck the gym bro stuff" for years but I skate better and longer at 40 than I did at 30.

Back to wheels I got some of the new 97's with that sticker. I had the opposite experience in session 1 they felt like they slid better on coping than the 93's. I wasn't a big fan of the old 97 so they're inherently better than those. We have a new ditch to bank spot we've all been skating that I'm heading to tonight will report back.

As someone that regularly skates and (bikes, hikes) works out, along with proper, professionally guided PT (including 'load bearing' exercises and lots of knee work') this is inaccurate.

Impact is what is majorly affecting your knee issues, e.g., jumping down shit, hard runouts, bails, etc., (better insoles, midsole footbeds, softer wheels will help).

Vibration is going to cause most of your foot soreness and byproxy some knee discomfort (and tooth rattling) as the vibrations will travel up your body causing fatigue.

Load bearing exercises are not the solution to vibration effects (squats, deads, lunges do not cause vibration like skating hard wheels on shit terrain). Knee MOBILITY exercises are what will help you as well as proper arch, ball and heel support.

That all said, any leg work is going to help you skate longer and usually with fewer issues because you will strengthen everything improving your resistance to skating's side effects.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6548 on: August 10, 2024, 01:14:26 PM »
I do resistance training 5-6 days a week, rehab for osteoarthritis every day, eat mostly Whole Foods and walk 3-5 miles every day.
Thanks for the advice, but skating street all day takes a toll no matter how much I do.



Guys if your knees are killing you from vibrations standing on a board you gotta invest some time off the board doing some kind of load bearing exercise. You hear a lot of pros talk about the benefits of doing so and skating alone won't cut it. I fought the "fuck the gym bro stuff" for years but I skate better and longer at 40 than I did at 30.

Back to wheels I got some of the new 97's with that sticker. I had the opposite experience in session 1 they felt like they slid better on coping than the 93's. I wasn't a big fan of the old 97 so they're inherently better than those. We have a new ditch to bank spot we've all been skating that I'm heading to tonight will report back.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6549 on: August 10, 2024, 01:16:27 PM »
XEN- just radial full 56/58 and classic 53’s so far.
The og classic I got were samples. Not sure they plan to introduce those as a staple in the 97 durometer.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6550 on: August 10, 2024, 04:20:12 PM »
XEN- just radial full 56/58 and classic 53’s so far.
The og classic I got were samples. Not sure they plan to introduce those as a staple in the 97 durometer.

no normal radials? and the only size in classics will be 53s? fuck me

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6551 on: August 10, 2024, 04:28:58 PM »
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XEN- just radial full 56/58 and classic 53’s so far.
The og classic I got were samples. Not sure they plan to introduce those as a staple in the 97 durometer.
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no normal radials? and the only size in classics will be 53s? fuck me

yes it looks like normal Radials are coming. pedros! 55mm and 57mm. Fall Drop 1


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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6552 on: August 10, 2024, 04:42:47 PM »
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XEN- just radial full 56/58 and classic 53’s so far.
The og classic I got were samples. Not sure they plan to introduce those as a staple in the 97 durometer.
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no normal radials? and the only size in classics will be 53s? fuck me

Sorry, that's just what I ordered for my shop.
Assuming the normal 97 range will get the updated formula eventually, plus the radial as noted.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6553 on: August 10, 2024, 05:04:59 PM »
I do resistance training 5-6 days a week, rehab for osteoarthritis every day, eat mostly Whole Foods and walk 3-5 miles every day.
Thanks for the advice, but skating street all day takes a toll no matter how much I do.


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Guys if your knees are killing you from vibrations standing on a board you gotta invest some time off the board doing some kind of load bearing exercise. You hear a lot of pros talk about the benefits of doing so and skating alone won't cut it. I fought the "fuck the gym bro stuff" for years but I skate better and longer at 40 than I did at 30.

Back to wheels I got some of the new 97's with that sticker. I had the opposite experience in session 1 they felt like they slid better on coping than the 93's. I wasn't a big fan of the old 97 so they're inherently better than those. We have a new ditch to bank spot we've all been skating that I'm heading to tonight will report back.
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Good work man! Wasn't trying to talk down to you just don't see how vibrations are what push joints over the edge.

I agree with both you and Xen that impact still happens and it's tough but what you both describe isn't really coming down to a duro difference in wheels unless your spot is super fucked.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6554 on: August 10, 2024, 07:35:07 PM »
XEN- just radial full 56/58 and classic 53’s so far.
The og classic I got were samples. Not sure they plan to introduce those as a staple in the 97 durometer.

Thanks dude! Guess it's classics (again...so much choice but yet not really). A regs conical 97a would be choice.

Other than the sticker, is there any graphical change denoting the new formula like they did with the 93s?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6555 on: August 10, 2024, 07:41:16 PM »

I agree with both you and Xen that impact still happens and it's tough but what you both describe isn't really coming down to a duro difference in wheels unless your spot is super fucked.

It’s pretty crusty here, pushing around the city 4-5 hours, Ollieing over and over, slapping into curbs.
Maybe it’s a sum of the parts of over exertion, dehydration plus terrain. Either way I feel like the softer wheels prolong my session and I usually feel less sore the next day.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6556 on: August 10, 2024, 07:43:02 PM »
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XEN- just radial full 56/58 and classic 53’s so far.
The og classic I got were samples. Not sure they plan to introduce those as a staple in the 97 durometer.
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Thanks dude! Guess it's classics (again...so much choice but yet not really). A regs conical 97a would be choice.

Other than the sticker, is there any graphical change denoting the new formula like they did with the 93s?
Not that I could tell. Mostly the color was the big difference.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6557 on: August 11, 2024, 09:45:30 AM »
XEN- just radial full 56/58 and classic 53’s so far.

BOOM! 53mm Classics are my jam. Can't wait to try these!
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6558 on: August 11, 2024, 12:37:24 PM »
New formula 97's coming quicker than expected?

Summer catalogue does have that duro in 54mm CF.... hopefully get some more reviews soon! That would be a very interesting comparison with the Dragon/X equivalent....

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6559 on: August 11, 2024, 05:43:29 PM »
New formula 97's coming quicker than expected?

Summer catalogue does have that duro in 54mm CF.... hopefully get some more reviews soon! That would be a very interesting comparison with the Dragon/X equivalent....

I don't think so? When the 93s dropped (3-4 months ago?) there was quick talk of the 97s and then some testing through the summer, so fall seemed likley (I was counting on it so didn't buy some wheels I wanted).

55mm radials still bit for me...and since 53mm classics is the smallest we heard of, I'm not holding my breath for anything smaller or thinner.

Still hoping for the new thunders....but if I was a betting man, I'd say next spring/summer.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6560 on: August 11, 2024, 05:57:03 PM »
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RE 97 duro wheels

I guess it comes down to who is ordering / restocking right now, but I am guessing that as soon as they sell out of the old 97 duro wheels, they are shipping the newer ones for current orders as per 144p getting those ones with the new sticker on them.

The shapes and sizes are still the same, just with the upgraded urethane, so still these, as per previous catalogs:

Classic 53, 54 and 56 mm

Conical Full 54, 56 and 58 mm

Radial Full 54, 56 and 58 mm


Then as shown, the new Pedro Radials in 55 and 57 mm due to come out with the new catalog.


For anyone who prefers the old formula 97s, get out and buy up now, before the newer formula comes in, but for anyone else wanting the new formula, just hit up your shop to ask which ones they have in, or hit up 144p and get them from his shop if you are able.


These are still the staples for the 97 duro wheels anyway:




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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6561 on: August 11, 2024, 11:14:23 PM »
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XEN- just radial full 56/58 and classic 53’s so far.
The og classic I got were samples. Not sure they plan to introduce those as a staple in the 97 durometer.
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no normal radials? and the only size in classics will be 53s? fuck me
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yes it looks like normal Radials are coming. pedros! 55mm and 57mm. Fall Drop 1



hell yes! 57mm radial is pretty much my perfect wheel (58mm classic full would be THE perfect wheel but you can't have everything)

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6562 on: August 11, 2024, 11:38:46 PM »
“Turbo Pro Formula Four”

Really?

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6563 on: August 11, 2024, 11:58:42 PM »
What do they mean by Turbo Pro Formula? Are they trying to market that formula differently?

I guess we’ll see how they advertise them.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6564 on: August 12, 2024, 12:15:00 AM »
wild guess but i think that might have to do with the racing inspired wheel graphic since turbo means like fast and it's a pro model wheel that's also a formula four hence the "turbo pro formula four"

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6565 on: August 12, 2024, 07:44:08 AM »
It’s the name of the wheel graphic. Racing themed and nothing to do with marketing an updated formula.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6566 on: August 12, 2024, 08:14:21 AM »
I know these new duros and shape combos fill niche needs but as a person who gets anxious over too many options and the fear of what I like to be unavailable or discontinued, I'm just gonna stick with 99 f4s and just suffer any shortcomings.

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« Reply #6567 on: August 12, 2024, 08:47:48 AM »
I know these new duros and shape combos fill niche needs but as a person who gets anxious over too many options and the fear of what I like to be unavailable or discontinued, I'm just gonna stick with 99 f4s and just suffer any shortcomings.

Yeah, I feel this. I find myself coming to this thread all the time (much, much before I signed up as a user here), but I have no idea why because everytime I think of trying anything else than 99 duro I get cold sweats and think "but what if" like a complete dumbass. Sometimes I swear it's just down to the noise 99 duro makes because I skated 101 duros on my friend's setup, and didn't mind it but just felt they were (obviously) really noticably louder.

But yeah you guys keep all the micro details coming. I read all this shit and fuel my angst.
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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6568 on: August 12, 2024, 11:08:25 AM »
Always tell customers at the shop
To consider where they skate the most before deciding what durometer to get.
Skateparks only- 99-101
Mix of skateparks and smoother street spots-97-99
Mostly smooth street and some crust 93-97-99
Strictly parking lots -93-97

Obviously this is just my experience but so far people come back stoked. Everyone creates their own narrative on what gear works best for them.

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Re: Spitfire formula four
« Reply #6569 on: August 12, 2024, 11:19:55 AM »
Also some people are just steadfast in that what they have works great and any change is bad/hard and that’s fine too. Whether it’s wheels or shoes some people just can’t make a jump to see if it works better than what they have. And some don’t have refined enough tastes to even notice a difference. That’s why there are so many choices, my skating level is low enough that sometimes a slight difference can make some tricks a little easier that it is worth it for me to try something new. Other people have a high skill level and it’s all kind of the same to them.