Spitfire formula four

[rikki]

As per post above, I wonder if the reformulated 97s in the Radial Full 58 mm size would work for you.

Worth trying or not?


https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Radial-Full-97a-58mm-x66945095.htm

I don't think that's the new 97 formula.

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As per post above, I wonder if the reformulated 97s in the Radial Full 58 mm size would work for you.

Worth trying or not?


https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Radial-Full-97a-58mm-x66945095.htm

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I don't think that's the new 97 formula.

That's the original F4 97.

[rawbertson.]

should have just called it F5... might have to DM Jim like a man and ask what was the reasoning behind this

[Mbrimson88]

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Any softer wheel has the potential to wear faster. I have a friend that is super dedicated to the 93 and we actually put wheels on at the same time- I put on 99a 53 Classics and he put on 93a 53 Classics. My wheels are currently 51.5 and his are 51.6 lol. I don't track his skating or anything, but he skates ~4 days per week mix of park and asphalt street spots. So, they aren't roasting super fast.

@144p do you have any 97a 53/54 Classics or Radials?

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Right now on their site I see Radial Full 56 and 58 mm in the 97 duro, as well as Classics in 53, 54 and 56 mm.

The previous info was that the Radial Full were the new formula 97s, maybe the 53 mm Classics too.

Last page with Classics on search with 97a:

https://www.35thave.com/module/search_content.htm?showSearchResults=1&search_keyword=97a&paging=4


Spitfire in general:

https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire.htm

@144p should be able to tell you more.

* Sometimes the member tag function doesn't work as per the last line of the previous message, but I guess it also depends on how often people check too.

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The problem, outside of Delfino's wheel, is you can't tell old from new and no sites are tagging them as reformulated/newer version.

Yeah, agreed.

It was only because 144p actually said and showed pics back on page 219 that I would say contact the shop and ask.

[Mbrimson88]

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As per post above, I wonder if the reformulated 97s in the Radial Full 58 mm size would work for you.

Worth trying or not?


https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Radial-Full-97a-58mm-x66945095.htm

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I don't think that's the new 97 formula.

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That's the original F4 97.

Not trying to be smart, but if you guys go back to page 219, re read what 144p had said, you would see that the new stock he has in his store 35th Ave shop, has the new stickers so are the new formula 97s.

As XEN said above, no one is really advertising the new formula, I guess because shops are still sitting on old stock, so some wheels are new and some old, so in general I would be more keen to move the old formula and keep the new ones tucked away until the old ones sold or someone came in / specifically asked for them.

Besides going in to the shop, maybe checking with them in whatever way is easiest would help to get the new ones, rather than hope and more likely get the old ones.

Look for that new sticker when and where you can.


* Just thought it easier to repost his from page 219 to help anyone wanting the new wheels.

Just got some formula four wheels re stocked today and some have the sticker that says new formula.
Not all but some do.

97 updated formula, here is the sticker. I noticed about half our wheels had the stickers and the ones with them were darker colored than the ones without.

[144p]

Sorry just saw all the mentions.
I’ll have to see what we have left later today, I know we sold all the 56 radial fulls in updated formula.
We have a restock on route with new delfino 55/57 radial and restock on 53 classic, 56 radial full.

[144p]

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As per post above, I wonder if the reformulated 97s in the Radial Full 58 mm size would work for you.

Worth trying or not?


https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Radial-Full-97a-58mm-x66945095.htm

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I don't think that's the new 97 formula.

We did get 58 radial full new formula. I’ll see if any left are later today when I get to the shop.

[144p]

I think the issue with noting an updated formula stems from dlx shipping both options still and our stock being mixed. When we move through all old formula I will update our site with information stating new formula.
I just don’t wanna bum anyone out but people can always email/dm/call/text the shop to confirm before ordering online.

[Xen]

I mean you've fucked with the rest..... the answer is clear....

55 speed does sound fun tho. I just don't have whatever it is kids these days have that make the massive chunkers flip like they're sub 50

Switched over to 8.5 Slappys with three thicker washers on the inside, leaving just a hint of wiggle (I have to have a bit of play for the sound), hanger surface area back to normal and doesn't look goofy...and no massive 8.75 trucks..it was starting to become a barge.

Loving these wheels.  The big boy wheel speed is nice for a change, especially coming of small wheels (I'm not tech enough to warrant such small wheels, I'm just used to be low to the ground)...not bouncy, very sidely, noisy. Very pleased.

[144p]

None of the remaining sets we have has the sticker stating new and improved.
Have new batch on the way.
 

[BeachChicken]

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I mean you've fucked with the rest..... the answer is clear....

55 speed does sound fun tho. I just don't have whatever it is kids these days have that make the massive chunkers flip like they're sub 50

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Switched over to 8.5 Slappys with three thicker washers on the inside, leaving just a hint of wiggle (I have to have a bit of play for the sound), hanger surface area back to normal and doesn't look goofy...and no massive 8.75 trucks..it was starting to become a barge.

Loving these wheels.  The big boy wheel speed is nice for a change, especially coming of small wheels (I'm not tech enough to warrant such small wheels, I'm just used to be low to the ground)...not bouncy, very sidely, noisy. Very pleased.

I rode 51-52 for years since coming back to skating and rode 50-51 growing up and although I skate a lot of ledges and enjoy flipping my board I'm not "tech". I recently had some 52 F4 classics that got to an 50 in 2 months and they were both slow and caught on shit an awful lot. After going back up to 53 radials and taking a while to adjust I'm going back to 54 on my next mellower deck to get used to it, but 53-55 is probably my new normal because the extra pop and speed matter more these days.

[Mbrimson88]

I think the issue with noting an updated formula stems from dlx shipping both options still and our stock being mixed. When we move through all old formula I will update our site with information stating new formula.
I just don’t wanna bum anyone out but people can always email/dm/call/text the shop to confirm before ordering online.

Sorry I get a bit too intense sometimes with product info - don't mean to be, just how it turns out.

Thanks for the update though - definitely seems like a bit of a hit and miss right now until all old stock clears, as you said.

[pinkeye fieri]

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the f4 93a wear insanely fast if they are being used in the streets. It is not fun to have your wheels be a different size every other time you step on your board. i lost at least 1mm per week on each set i had, only skating 3-4 days a week. had to quit buying them and switch to bones/powell. i was hoping spitfire had plans to put out the 93s in shapes that have more urethane on them to begin with, but it sounds like that is not happening. best formula otherwise but not worth it.

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That's why I got 55s =D I assumed I'd be down 2-3mm pretty quick!

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yeah wearing them down to a sweet spot was appealing to me at first, but its like u blink and the sweet spot is gone and ur rattling around on tiny wheels. at least with the 93s on crust. im genuinely bummed to be back on dragons. maybe they will make an x97 omega because that would go. marketing aglorithms give us f4 99a multicolored lockin full, when a 93a lockin full would unlock spots and expand the landscape of street skating. speaks to a lack of vision beyond making money. props to FOS for going for it with the wide boi wheels. I wish snot had the formulas to match the quality of those shapes.

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As per post above, I wonder if the reformulated 97s in the Radial Full 58 mm size would work for you.

Worth trying or not?


https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Radial-Full-97a-58mm-x66945095.htm

 I appreciate your concideration upon reading my post. I am not in the market for "99a lite". I already made that expensive mistake by gambling on the Omega wheels, which are up for grabs if anyone is interested.
      Its funny because Spitfire initially released the Radial Full in 99a, after the developement and release of f4 97a in smaller shapes. Spitfire then proceded to drag their feet on applying the 97a durometer to the Radial Full for so long that they were outpaced by the powell/bones releases.
     They are doing the same shit all over again.  By the time they release 93a "full" shapes, they will have been outpaced by other companies. A repeat of what happened with the initial radial full 97a releases. I switched directly from several sets of 97a Conical Fulls to dragons, and i never even got the opportunity to skate a Radial Full, because Spitfire was so slow to release the 97a version, despite Radial Full+97a being a brain dead obvious combo at the time. Its a shame because Radial Full was an innoviative shape.  Spitfire is repeating the same mistakes with 93a, and it is disappointing to watch. 
       I would love to see Spitfire paving the way. They have the formulas and the shapes, but Spitfire is consitently outpaced by powell/bones due to their hesitance to embrace the potential of their own product. Shit is regressive and not forward thinking.  They must be using "predictive" sales algorithms instead of their own noggins.

Imagine Chris Athens, or T-Funk, on 93a Radial Fulls. They would be unstoppable. The spots would be uncharted and disgusting, and the speed would be unmatched. shit would inspire.

Spitfire needs to recognize and embrace the moment.  They have the opportunity to lead the way and expand what is possible in street skateboarding.

[Dwyck]

How is Bones outpacing Spitfire when you just said yourself that the Omega is bad?

[BeachChicken]

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the f4 93a wear insanely fast if they are being used in the streets. It is not fun to have your wheels be a different size every other time you step on your board. i lost at least 1mm per week on each set i had, only skating 3-4 days a week. had to quit buying them and switch to bones/powell. i was hoping spitfire had plans to put out the 93s in shapes that have more urethane on them to begin with, but it sounds like that is not happening. best formula otherwise but not worth it.

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That's why I got 55s =D I assumed I'd be down 2-3mm pretty quick!

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yeah wearing them down to a sweet spot was appealing to me at first, but its like u blink and the sweet spot is gone and ur rattling around on tiny wheels. at least with the 93s on crust. im genuinely bummed to be back on dragons. maybe they will make an x97 omega because that would go. marketing aglorithms give us f4 99a multicolored lockin full, when a 93a lockin full would unlock spots and expand the landscape of street skating. speaks to a lack of vision beyond making money. props to FOS for going for it with the wide boi wheels. I wish snot had the formulas to match the quality of those shapes.

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As per post above, I wonder if the reformulated 97s in the Radial Full 58 mm size would work for you.

Worth trying or not?


https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Radial-Full-97a-58mm-x66945095.htm

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 I appreciate your concideration upon reading my post. I am not in the market for "99a lite". I already made that expensive mistake by gambling on the Omega wheels, which are up for grabs if anyone is interested.
      Its funny because Spitfire initially released the Radial Full in 99a, after the developement and release of f4 97a in smaller shapes. Spitfire then proceded to drag their feet on applying the 97a durometer to the Radial Full for so long that they were outpaced by the powell/bones releases.
     They are doing the same shit all over again.  By the time they release 93a "full" shapes, they will have been outpaced by other companies. A repeat of what happened with the initial radial full 97a releases. I switched directly from several sets of 97a Conical Fulls to dragons, and i never even got the opportunity to skate a Radial Full, because Spitfire was so slow to release the 97a version, despite Radial Full+97a being a brain dead obvious combo at the time. Its a shame because Radial Full was an innoviative shape.  Spitfire is repeating the same mistakes with 93a, and it is disappointing to watch. 
       I would love to see Spitfire paving the way. They have the formulas and the shapes, but Spitfire is consitently outpaced by powell/bones due to their hesitance to embrace the potential of their own product. Shit is regressive and not forward thinking.  They must be using "predictive" sales algorithms instead of their own noggins.

Imagine Chris Athens, or T-Funk, on 93a Radial Fulls. They would be unstoppable. The spots would be uncharted and disgusting, and the speed would be unmatched. shit would inspire.

Spitfire needs to recognize and embrace the moment.  They have the opportunity to lead the way and expand what is possible in street skateboarding.

Spitfire released a 93a SF video featuring both riders on 56-58 93a wheels....

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the f4 93a wear insanely fast if they are being used in the streets. It is not fun to have your wheels be a different size every other time you step on your board. i lost at least 1mm per week on each set i had, only skating 3-4 days a week. had to quit buying them and switch to bones/powell. i was hoping spitfire had plans to put out the 93s in shapes that have more urethane on them to begin with, but it sounds like that is not happening. best formula otherwise but not worth it.

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That's why I got 55s =D I assumed I'd be down 2-3mm pretty quick!

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yeah wearing them down to a sweet spot was appealing to me at first, but its like u blink and the sweet spot is gone and ur rattling around on tiny wheels. at least with the 93s on crust. im genuinely bummed to be back on dragons. maybe they will make an x97 omega because that would go. marketing aglorithms give us f4 99a multicolored lockin full, when a 93a lockin full would unlock spots and expand the landscape of street skating. speaks to a lack of vision beyond making money. props to FOS for going for it with the wide boi wheels. I wish snot had the formulas to match the quality of those shapes.

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As per post above, I wonder if the reformulated 97s in the Radial Full 58 mm size would work for you.

Worth trying or not?


https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Radial-Full-97a-58mm-x66945095.htm

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 I appreciate your concideration upon reading my post. I am not in the market for "99a lite". I already made that expensive mistake by gambling on the Omega wheels, which are up for grabs if anyone is interested.
      Its funny because Spitfire initially released the Radial Full in 99a, after the developement and release of f4 97a in smaller shapes. Spitfire then proceded to drag their feet on applying the 97a durometer to the Radial Full for so long that they were outpaced by the powell/bones releases.
     They are doing the same shit all over again.  By the time they release 93a "full" shapes, they will have been outpaced by other companies. A repeat of what happened with the initial radial full 97a releases. I switched directly from several sets of 97a Conical Fulls to dragons, and i never even got the opportunity to skate a Radial Full, because Spitfire was so slow to release the 97a version, despite Radial Full+97a being a brain dead obvious combo at the time. Its a shame because Radial Full was an innoviative shape.  Spitfire is repeating the same mistakes with 93a, and it is disappointing to watch. 
       I would love to see Spitfire paving the way. They have the formulas and the shapes, but Spitfire is consitently outpaced by powell/bones due to their hesitance to embrace the potential of their own product. Shit is regressive and not forward thinking.  They must be using "predictive" sales algorithms instead of their own noggins.

Imagine Chris Athens, or T-Funk, on 93a Radial Fulls. They would be unstoppable. The spots would be uncharted and disgusting, and the speed would be unmatched. shit would inspire.

Spitfire needs to recognize and embrace the moment.  They have the opportunity to lead the way and expand what is possible in street skateboarding.

Respectfully, I submit that if you think the profile of side cut, or tread width a given wheel has any bearing on what or how well dudes like T-Funk or Athens skate, then you may well be bonkers.

[Dwyck]

Jeff had the first pro model 97a


And in this month's thrasher Athans admitted he has trouble w back powerslides. Maybe a narrower wheel would suit him too?

[pinkeye fieri]

im on 93a 60mm rat bones now, and suddenly i can skate any surface in town, which is crazy where i live in washingon state. half of the paved surfaces are beat to shit due to climate conditions. this morning i was skating a decrepid asphalt hip outside a cafe, with huge chunks of asphalt scraped out from cars backing into it. pebbles everywhere, the street texture is edging on gravel. i had my eye on this spot for years and tried several times on different wheels, but it was unskateable until now. its just one of many spots in my town that were simply unskateable before, and i am having a blast. i would prefer to ride spitfires, but there is no indication that they plan to release a formula/shape combo that can hold a candle in that environment. maybe they will in 2026?

[tzhangdox]

It’s so crazy that spitfire hasn’t tailored their entire product strategy and roadmap solely to your fit your niche preferences

[pinkeye fieri]

It’s so crazy that spitfire hasn’t tailored their entire product strategy and roadmap solely to your fit your niche preferences

you're right it is niche, but that fact is hard to wrap my head around because skating previously unskateable terrain is so exciting to me, and paring softer duros with beefier shapes is practical. i am not a fan of the effect of skateparks keeping skaters out of the streets, which doesn't seem to be a commonly held view.

[tzhangdox]

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It’s so crazy that spitfire hasn’t tailored their entire product strategy and roadmap solely to your fit your niche preferences

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you're right it is niche, but that fact is hard to wrap my head around because skating previously unskateable terrain is so exciting to me, and paring softer duros with beefier shapes is practical.

Softer duro with slimmer shape, like the classic shape 93s is also practical... because you get the advantages of slim, nimble lightweight wheel but it still handles rough ground much better than a 99a.

People already are skating previously unskateable terrain with the existing 93s lol. The reality is that despite bigger wider wheels trending right now, the average skater still prefers a more moderate sized wheel that doesn't make their trucks feel like dumbells

[pinkeye fieri]

thats fair. i am always looking to maximize the weight of my truck/wheel combo. i generally ride shapes with smaller noses than tails, so the dumbell effect is a benefit because it balances out the lack of weight that a long popsicle nose provides. this makes the pop more consistent doing flip tricks and ollies on a 10in+ pig style deck. lighter wheels just make old school setups feel tail heavy and flimsy

[BeachChicken]

Looking at your setup do you not realize that you're riding a fairly niche board that 99.9999% of skaters probably wouldn't ride? It sounds like you already have a wheel solution that works it's not Spitfires job to make something that only a few people would buy when their pros do just fine with what they make and most consumers are not interested in skating stuff that rough. I highly doubt a 60 vs 58 is blocking all your skate dreams.

[tzhangdox]

Spitfire "not paving the way" and "being regressive" coz they're not yet dropping 93as in the maximum possible size and width... instead of the standard, best selling sizes and shapes that the majority skaters are already on and accustomed to

Train of thought totally checks out now that you mention you're on a 10in+ pig style deck or whatever lol

[pinkeye fieri]

Looking at your setup do you not realize that you're riding a fairly niche board that 99.9999% of skaters probably wouldn't ride? It sounds like you already have a wheel solution that works it's not Spitfires job to make something that only a few people would buy when their pros do just fine with what they make and most consumers are not interested in skating stuff that rough. I highly doubt a 60 vs 58 is blocking all your skate dreams.

switching from 58 radials to 60 rat bones has had a significant effect on un"blocking all of my skate dreams". the shapes are very different and the riding surface on the rat bones is almost 30mm. the 58mm radials are petite in comparison. if you held one shape to the other you would see that they are very different wheels. not to mention the rat bones haven't lost even half a millimeter over the past couple of weeks.

the f4 93a formula is better tho 100%,  which has me disappointed that they don't make bigger shapes. it is what it is

[BeachChicken]

Ok so you still don't get that the market Spitfire cares about likely isn't you? That the number of people who cannot possibly skate a spot without super wide 60mm wheels is nowhere close to the number of people that mostly putter around skateparks and parking lots?

Sure the PNW has some gross pavement due to weather, but there's leagues of skaters up there that have done fine for decades on what's available and prob don't want to deal with the obvious downsides of wheels that big

[tzhangdox]

Still can't imagine a spot worth skating that isn't skateable on 93a 58mm radials, but is on 60mm rat bones lmao

[roba]

i mean a 60mm conical full or radial full 93 makes a lot of sense, perfect cruiser-ish wheel that works as a street wheel too, i would never buy it though

[pinkeye fieri]

Ok so you still don't get that the market Spitfire cares about likely isn't you? That the number of people who cannot possibly skate a spot without super wide 60mm wheels is nowhere close to the number of people that mostly putter around skateparks and parking lots?

Sure the PNW has some gross pavement due to weather, but there's leagues of skaters up there that have done fine for decades on what's available and prob don't want to deal with the obvious downsides of wheels that big

You are saying true stuff that we are on the same page about. im new to posting and i think im a bit overwhelmed. yet i keep posting.. oops
also lmk if anyone responding is not a dude. that would be refreshing

[tzhangdox]

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Ok so you still don't get that the market Spitfire cares about likely isn't you? That the number of people who cannot possibly skate a spot without super wide 60mm wheels is nowhere close to the number of people that mostly putter around skateparks and parking lots?

Sure the PNW has some gross pavement due to weather, but there's leagues of skaters up there that have done fine for decades on what's available and prob don't want to deal with the obvious downsides of wheels that big

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You are saying true stuff that we are on the same page about.

Big change of tone from the previous page where you say spitfire keeps being outpaced, is regressive, is not forward thinking, and not using their noggins, and is making mistakes all just coz they're not catering to your tastes lmao